posted by suzie as reply #56
In 1 Corinthians 14:26-40 Paul gives his main idea as since God is a God of order, all should participate in Christian worship in an orderly and edifying way. Paul then proceeds to illustrate this principle by giving examples of what orderly worship should look like. The examples were those who speak in tongues, those who prophesy, and women of the church.
Paul used these particular examples of those who needed to be corrected and brought back to order, edifying participation.
Paul wasnt prohibiting participation, he wanted all to participate, but in an orderly way. The command to the three different groups are the same. Paul used the exact same word in the Greek to each group. This was a deliberate continuity of thought between verses 28, 30, and 34.
Well, lets see what these verse really say; lets start with verse 27;
1 Cor 14
27 If any
man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.
28 But if there be no interpreter, let
him keep silence in the church; and let
him speak to himself, and to God.
29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.
30 If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.
31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.
32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34
Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.Paul was speaking of MEN, notice how he begins the end of his teaching of these things at verse 34,
"Let your women keep silence in the churches"You are delusional, suzie, to say nothing of your un derstanding of these passages, it sounds to me you have made up your mind, on what youy think Paul said, I wonder if you weren't taught these things by a woman pastor, - huh?
Women were causing division and disruption in church and Paul was correcting this. He had already said he wanted all (men and women) to be ready to contribute with "a hymn or a word of instruction, a revelation, a tongue or an interpretation." Paul also commanded the people to "speak". There is no indication that these commands were limited to men. Paul was addressing anyone who spoke to God on behalf of the people by means of tongues or prophecy, in which both men and women participated.
At the verse you quote, I have shown you Paul is plainly speaking to men, in verse 20 thru 27, he includes women by the use ofg the word brethern, what passage of scripture do you rely on to make the claim you do, imediately after spekaing to men, on how to, conduct the chuch servive using gifts, He speak sto them about there women, tghis is because the woman is to be in subjection to a man, whether it the husband or the father, of course in liberal assemblies today women, are their own man, they rule the roost. This is why you believed what you believe.
Paul was actually encouraging women to learn.
Yep, he sure was, by asking their husband at home, and be quiet in the church service.
And, later in 1 Timothy 2, after instructing women to learn in silence with all subjection vs 11, he speaks clearly, saying; But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. vs 12 . And this doens't mean what you claim it means, simply put, it means what it says.
Paul wanted new believers to learn to use their spiritual gifts to build one another up, strengthening the church.
Paul was making chaos taboo.
You must be reading another book, to get this out of the scriptures,
that woman pastors were OK with Paul. Your imagination is ghetting the best of you, and driving you to post what the bible does not state Paul said or taught at all.
2Tim 2:2 Paul told Timothy, "And the things you have heard me say in the presence of many witnesses entrust to reliable persons who will also be qualified to teach others. The Greek word anthropos or persons.
No argument here, he did say this to Timothy, but it is a stretch to use this verse as a proof text to teach woman, can be pastors, it is silly to even claim this nonsense.
I have already discussed 1 Timothy in this thread. You can scan back and read up.
I don't need to go back, I can see, you are off in left field on this one.
I am not a Chiristian of the penetcostal, speaking in tongues camp, but I have visited these churches, and my impression from what I saw and heard in these groups services, is that women are disruptive, and I got a little insight as to why they should keep quiet.
It is a shame to have woman, act in such a manner, it speaks loudly of the husbands inability to lead in the things of God, and it is easy to see, why they submit themselves to unbiblical teachings.
They prohecy "thus saith they Lord", this tells it all, It is easy to understand why, they are totally ignorant and oblivious of the Lords commandment, they simply just want to do their will, not Gods, let alone subjecting themselves to their husbands.
Thats all I have to say about this nonsense..
Petro