US Elections 2004

[His_child]

I just want to be the interior decorator.  

[Allinall]

I wanna be the CIA Director...  

I guess that would be up to Ollie - but howabout "Intelligence Czar".  

OOoooooo...Czar!  Sounds cool!  Could I get a big mug that says "Czar" on it?  

[Reba]

thanks X

  edgeukation  

  wow

[RichardElchrist]

Would you think the death of 1000 of greater pain then 10?


Baby killers are evil and anyone who supports them , as you are, or in any way,  are also evil.  You seem to support the killing of the unborn wow what  a man! hold you ground guy kill that child. Feel the warm blood run through you fingers, their blood is on your hands.

Yes i get emotional death is an emotional topic.

Reba you are forsaken if you have called me a babykiller which you seem to have. I am not and yet you have called me such. What does that make you? Who's work are you doing if you call someone a murderer and baby killer who is actually in the Light of God doing work to protect the born and unborn equally?  

Your post says more about you then it does me. For I am a chosen defender of The Christ and you have raised your hand to smote me. Have you forgotten the face of your Father?
Your words are an arrow into a heart fighting for Jesus's 2nd coming. Think about that when He walks past you house.
 

[RichardElchrist]

Hello RichardElchrist,

If you are a part of the new Kerry reach out to Christians campaign, it won't work and it's a waste of time. I think that most of us have seen enough actions and heard enough words from Kerry and Bush to make up our minds. This is not to imply that Bush is a wonderful Christian, but it would imply a void of Biblical morals on the part of Kerry.

I really don't need any spins, commentary, or views from partisan or non-partisan web sites, news agencies, or special interest groups. I've heard and seen more than enough from the candidates themselves. The analogy that Bush may be a wolf in sheep's clothing would go in one ear and out the other. I already know that he is far from being a strong Christian. The analogy that Kerry may be the devil in ACLU's clothing is my personal observation that I didn't need any help with.

If there was a third ticket with more Biblical views I would consider voting for them. I would first be concerned about whether they had a chance of winning, and who would get the benefit of a split vote. If I concluded the third ticket didn't have a chance and Kerry would benefit from a split vote, I would vote for Bush. I would have the same concerns for any existing fourth and fifth tickets.

Most of us have heard the stories of the past so many times that they go in one ear and out the other. Most of us have also heard and seen the political machines for what they are - political machines.

I will listen, with interest, what the candidates themselves say. The same will be true of the candidates actions. I have almost no interest in spin, hype, and the messages of the political machines and news media. I'm sorry to be repetitive - the political machines and news media are spin and hype.

I will pay considerable attention to documented stands of the candidates that I have heard and seen for myself. Abortion will be one of those stands. Someone defending or promoting abortion wouldn't get my vote for dog catcher, much less a vote for President of the United States.

I also paid considerable attention to views on a strong military, and more specifically, providing for the needs of our young men and women serving us. I've heard their words and seen their actions from the candidates themselves. In my completely BIASED opinion, Kerry has no concern for either.

I will and have paid considerable attention to morals and Biblical values. In my completely BIASED opinion, Kerry has none.

If other Christians have opinions as BIASED as mine as, very few Christians will vote for Kerry. Regarding our Armed Services and providing for those who protect our way of life, Kerry serves our enemies. I realize that's my completely BIASED opinion, but that won't change. It's an absolute fact that Kerry voted to send our young men and women to war. It's also an absolute fact that Kerry later voted "NO" to buy supplies our young men and women fighting needed to survive. I saw and heard the spin and lies from his own mouth in trying to explain this. "I actually voted yes but I later voted no." This took my single digit respect for Kerry far into negative numbers. There is no explanation, and I'm not interested in the attempt.

I apologize for being so shy on this matter.

Love In Christ,
Tom

You have mistaken me brother. For I am no follower of any man. I am not Pro Kerry. But I am anti Bush as he is a great deciever and I have weathered a view of a future with him as leader and it is a hellish thing.

The man who was supposed to have lead us was thwarted through evil means by the decievers of the Bush team during the GOP primaries of 2000. And now look at us. Fighting each other while all crumbles around us.

You yourself have admitted that your bias's will guide you. This means you know you are not walking the true path of  the Light of God and yet you appeared to have rationalized it and justified it. Bias's are born of convictions. Convictions are the enemy of truths. Any enemy of truth is enemy of the Word, the Light, the Way.

[Allinall]

For I am a chosen defender of The Christ and you have raised your hand to smote me.

Errrrr...don'tcha mean "smite"?  I'd hate to have Reba smoting a chosen defender of The Christ when she meant to smite him...  Love ya Sis!

Seriously though, you claim Christ, so that makes you my brother.  You should check out the scriptures to learn God's view of war, government, and His role within each.  He sets up kings and takes down kings.  He steers nations in direction at His will.  I, for one, have no problem saying that the war in Iraq was God's will.  If it wasn't, then somebody sure caught Him by surprise...

[RichardElchrist]

Whoa! A lot has happened on this thread since I logged off two hours ago and just logged back in!  My-my!  What passions we have.
 
Passion is good as long as passion is for good.  (I just made that up all by myself!)  

Richard:

I never used the word biased or unbiased.

No – but as I demonstrated ‘bias’ is part of the definition of ‘partisan’.

I am swayed by one thing - the truth

Whose truth?  As I’ve said in other threads, there are three sides to every story: your side, my side and the truth.  Your side is only your side as you wish, according to the stories you make a decision to read or listen to and believe.  Which is exactly what my side is based on.  (Well – I am on the Bible’s side, also.)

I don't look into Bush's heart, I look into his policies, his actions and his words and deeds. And they are unChrist like.

According to whom you believe!  Have you actually WITNESSED these ‘atrosities' or are you depending on what others have told you and then using your brain to weed out the truth you personally want to believe?

It appears that you personally don't factor in Christianity as a motive to vote for a president.

I factor in Jesus Christ into every single minute of my life.  If you accuse me of not doing so because you have a different political opinion from mine, then we have no further reason to exchange any kind of communication.  Period.

And I believe Bush is decieving Christians by insinuating he walks the path of CHRIST.

Give us all an eyewitness account of his atrocities.

And that's why I am here to spread unpartisan truth

Impossible.  As I’ve pointed out you cannot take the 'bias' out of partisan.

So if you want unpartisan truth I recommend you check out the site.

I looked at your site and saw the points back and forth, with most going anti conservative.  But it is all someone's opinion.  If a car salesman is selling both Fords and Dodges does that make him nonpartisan?  Sheesh.

Afterall if a politican uses mendacity to spin his interpretations of the 1st and 2nd amendments shouldn't that be a factor in your decision.

It is.

If Bush says Kerry is against the 2nd amendment and that isn't true then wouldn't you want to know that?

I don’t care what ‘Bush says Kerry says’ or what ‘Kerry says Bush says’.  I care about what comes out of the individual's mouth.  Kerry is liberal – he interprets the 1st and 2nd amendment differently than I do.  I have heard his interpretations coming from his own lips.  Is that not good enough for you?  Do you understand what I just typed?  I AM NOT A LIBERAL.  I will never be or vote for a liberal.  Liberals are socialist baby killers. (As I have witnessed - no one told me that - I didn't get it from a website - I have WITNESSED it.)  Am I clear about my opinion?  YOU won’t change my opinion.  My opinion is based on biblical values.  

Because distortions and mendacity are the grist of the GOP mill right now.

I will not defend the GOP or any “party”.

Lastly, you posted:

And what about the innocent Iraqi babies killed by US bombs. Does that matter to you at all?

 
That is a ludicrous, defensive, childish statement that I wish you liberals would quit making – it shows deep ignorance.  It is obvious you would just as soon Saddam was still in power; even though he was killing 30,000 innocent men, women and babies every year.  His death rate almost equaled the ‘Death by Abortion Rate’ in America.  Sheesh.  Which way do you want it?  Do you care about the unborn AND the troops AND the Iraqi civilians or just your politics and getting your boy kerry elected?

1. The truth I am swayed by and blood sworn to defend is The TRUTH. That backed up by facts, not rhetoric, not deception, not distortions, not mendacity.
Just because it may not support your convictions doesn't make it any less true.

2. I have been an eyewitness myself to the deceptions, unfortunately. I have witnessed the unChrist like ways of the Bush adminmistration. I have seen blood in the past and in the future. And for this knowledge I am paying the price.    Truth be told I feel like a dragon slayer who survived yet failed to slay the dragon. Their is no comfort in that type of survival. For I have failed. And when I returned to what appeared from a distance to be the House of God for healing I realized as I grew closer to my destintion that their are many houses built to look like the House of God but inside are only false idols and lost souls. And so my return was met with anger and dare I say hatred. But I promised my Lord I will gladly stand and face the clubs of convictions and arrows of untruth because to do anything less would be a dis-service to the Warriors who have gone before me and The Christ Himself. So here I stand.
And I am sworn to remember the Face of my Father and to do His work, no matter who chooses to be my enemy.
For I must forge a path for the Way, and The Light. Because He is coming.

[JudgeNot]

His_Child said:

I just want to be the interior decorator.  

HS: I think that's a splendid idea!  

I think Ollie should also create a brand new cabinet member in his new administration - "Secretary of Wisdom".  The wisdom secretary will stand behind a tall, offical looking podium and give confusing and evasive answers to simple questions.  

Oh - wait - there's already a position with that job description:  Press Secretary.    

[sincereheart]

I agree with Brother Love (Yikes!  Did I just say that?)  

Ollie for President.

Sincereheart for Secretary of State.

Blackeyedpeas for Attorney General.  

Dreamweaver for Secretary of Defense.  

Oh - and Reba for Secretary of education.  

2nd Tim should lead the Airforce!  

Can I be on the Supreme Court??
At least let me be a general!    

ROFL! And we just THOUGHT the country was in trouble....

[JudgeNot]

JE Said:

1. The truth I am swayed by and blood sworn to defend is The TRUTH. That backed up by facts, not rhetoric, not deception, not distortions, not mendacity.

I can accept your word on that since I don't really have a reason not to.

Just because it may not support your convictions doesn't make it any less true.

 My convictions, as I said are Bible based, according to teachers I know and trust.  Nothing personal, but I don't know you.

I have seen blood in the past and in the future. And for this knowledge I am paying the price.    Truth be told I feel like a dragon slayer who survived yet failed to slay the dragon. Their is no comfort in that type of survival. For I have failed. And when I returned to what appeared from a distance to be the House of God for healing I realized as I grew closer to my destintion that their are many houses built to look like the House of God but inside are only false idols and lost souls. And so my return was met with anger and dare I say hatred. But I promised my Lord I will gladly stand and face the clubs of convictions and arrows of untruth because to do anything less would be a dis-service to the Warriors who have gone before me and The Christ Himself. So here I stand.
And I am sworn to remember the Face of my Father and to do His work, no matter who chooses to be my enemy.
For I must forge a path for the Way, and The Light. Because He is coming.

You're a prophet?  That would be a tough load to bear.
I'm sorry, again - nothing personal, but I'm a little skeptical about that reality... (as we are taught to be by Jesus).

[RichardElchrist]

JE Said:

1. The truth I am swayed by and blood sworn to defend is The TRUTH. That backed up by facts, not rhetoric, not deception, not distortions, not mendacity.

I can accept your word on that since I don't really have a reason not to.

Just because it may not support your convictions doesn't make it any less true.

 My convictions, as I said are Bible based, according to teachers I know and trust.  Nothing personal, but I don't know you.

I have seen blood in the past and in the future. And for this knowledge I am paying the price.    Truth be told I feel like a dragon slayer who survived yet failed to slay the dragon. Their is no comfort in that type of survival. For I have failed. And when I returned to what appeared from a distance to be the House of God for healing I realized as I grew closer to my destintion that their are many houses built to look like the House of God but inside are only false idols and lost souls. And so my return was met with anger and dare I say hatred. But I promised my Lord I will gladly stand and face the clubs of convictions and arrows of untruth because to do anything less would be a dis-service to the Warriors who have gone before me and The Christ Himself. So here I stand.
And I am sworn to remember the Face of my Father and to do His work, no matter who chooses to be my enemy.
For I must forge a path for the Way, and The Light. Because He is coming.

You're a prophet?  That would be a tough load to bear.
I'm sorry, again - nothing personal, but I'm a little skeptical about that reality... (as we are taught to be by Jesus).

I appreciate your skepticism and may it serve you well.
All I ask and insist is you use your skeptcism with regards to politics and policy as well. For real trouble is amok there and it is serving the swift horsemen known as power and greed.
 
I take none of this personal for that would be wrong. This is not about me. Just like my posts are not really about you although they may be about your beliefs and convictions. Please don't take my words personally either- which appears I don't need to worry about that.

I am not a prophet. I wouldn't survive long in this world (or this forum probably  ) if I was. But I am a protector of and warrior for The One some call Prophet. For if He were to appear in many a 'house of worship' today He wouldn't make it to the exit 'alive'.  And to sacrifice prematurely is no sacrifice at all and saves nothing, only wastes.
I am merely forging the path and 'clearing the land mines' laid down by the Great Deceiver's 'worker bees'. So I am. I am guided, I dictate not the direction nor the guiding.

   

[Reba]

Richard,

Yes i called you a baby killer and claim the blood of the unborn to be on your hands. Seems you are also a circle talker. No one who supports the democrates, the party of baby killers is christian in my view. It matters not to me how you support them by $$, word or deed. I am done waisting my time reading your posts.

[JudgeNot]

All I ask and insist is you use your skeptcism with regards to politics and policy as well.

Good advice - the same advice I (or anyone?) would (should) give.

For real trouble is amok there and it is serving the swift horsemen known as power and greed.

Is this something new?  I was under the impression it has been going on for thousands of years...  It is well documented scriptural fact.

This is not about me.

That's cool.

Just like my posts are not really about you although they may be about your beliefs and convictions.

You mean about my belief and conviction that Jesus is God and He rules all things and He will reign forever?

I am not a prophet.

Whew!  You had me worried there for a minute!  But... in another post you said you knew the future... only a prophet could know that...

But I am a protector of and warrior for The One some call Prophet.

 Cool!  You are a body-guard and mercenary for a prophet!  (I'm Not trying to mock you in any way - I'm just trying to put this in words the below-average joe; like me, relates to.)  Who is he?  What has he prophesied that is true to The Word?  Surely you can name him - a true prophet wouldn't hide his/her self; for God will protect him/her until God's will is done.  Or is that just it - God's will is not yet done so you can't identify this person?  Okay - I get it.

For if He were to appear in many a 'house of worship' today He wouldn't make it to the exit 'alive'.

You use a capital 'H' in this sentence - so does that make the prphet you protect divine?  Wow! this is getting interesting.  And if he just appeared in my congregation, chances are my fellow worshipers would kill him?  Hmmm - that doesn't fit my fellow worshippers at all - they might ask him to leave - but killing???  Your prophet must have a pretty heavy message to turn Christians into killers...

I am merely forging the path and 'clearing the land mines' laid down by the Great Deceiver's 'worker bees'. So I am. I am guided, I dictate not the direction nor the guiding.

 Dangerous work, I'm sure.


 

[Shammu]

I agree with Brother Love (Yikes!  Did I just say that?)  

Ollie for President.

Sincereheart for Secretary of State.

Blackeyedpeas for Attorney General.  

Dreamweaver for Secretary of Defense.  

Oh - and Reba for Secretary of education.  

2nd Tim should lead the Airforce!  

Can I be on the Supreme Court??
At least let me be a general!    

Thanks I'll take the job.

[Shammu]

Richard,
No one who supports the democrates, the party of baby killers is christian in my view. It matters not to me how you support them by $$, word or deed. I am done waisting my time reading your posts.

I agree with you Reba, excellent!! I too have a better way to fill my time, then saying something to Richard who thinks he is a "protector of and warrior for The One some call Prophet." Who ever that is.........

Makes one think if Richard is NOT being the one mislead by this, "protector of and warrior for The One some call Prophet."