Digme Said:
BORTHER TOM THE GROUND IS LEVEL AT THE FOOT OF THE CROSS...... WHETHER baby killers, liers, stealers, war-leaders, me you, Nazi, Nietzche, Escarot Euhadah (judah), Peter, St. Paul, Kerry, or Bush... all same....... same mortal man... SAME... sadly i say though, most of us sometimes have a man-made tier, of who is above who is higher on the ladder leading up to God... saddly to say, i am inclined to think you might see it that way sometimes, or maybe not? i will know from your answers
Hello Digme,
I think that you misunderstand this discussion. Most of us are simply discussing our Biblical convictions concerning the race for President.
I think that we both know that men can not be forced to the FOOT OF THE CROSS. If they could be, it would not be them accepting or believing in anything. I obviously believe that all problems would be solved if all people accepted Jesus Christ as their personal Lord and Saviour. However, a large portion of the world is evil, and Christians must decide action or inaction. Almighty God can obviously do anything He wishes in and through His children. However, this is done by us yielding to HIS WILL and following the path that would be most pleasing to HIM, not us. I don't believe for a moment that HE wishes HIS children to remain quiet, defend, promote, or ignore evil. There may be some Christians who honestly feel they are led by the Holy Spirit to not be seen or heard in public. If they believe that, I would expect them to follow their convictions. However, that quiet Christian should also know there are a host of Christians with convictions to speak up, be heard, take a stand for Jesus, and call good and evil what they are.
Personally, I feel led to speak up, stand up, share HIS WORD, and yield to HIS Will and purpose. YES, HE wishes to use us. It's really not a matter of HIM needing us to stand for HIM. One could also say that HE doesn't need Pastors, witnesses, workers for the ill and hungry, cheerful givers to HIS WORKS, etc., etc. YES! HE could certainly do it all by Himself with no help from anyone, but that it not HIS WILL. HIS need of us is not the question. Our willingness to yield and serve however HE leads us is the question.
What is actually happening in this thread is a discussion of rights and wrongs that are available to us in a vote. Personally, I feel convicted to vote every time the door opens. I will study and pray about my vote, and I will certainly vote. I will do lots of other things that I feel led and convicted to do. I understand those Christians who choose to be silent and do nothing, but I disagree with them completely. I associate a silent and do nothing Christian as someone who is either ashamed of their Lord and Saviour, afraid, or otherwise letting the devil takes what he wishes without a fight. Some might even confuse piety with silence and inaction. I understand, but I disagree completely. Think about the following paraphrased:
You deny ME..........
Shout it from the rooftops...
Unto good works..........
Personally, I view silence and inaction as denying our Lord and Saviour. It is HIS WORD and HIS WILL that we are to obey to the best of our ability.
Everyone knows there is no perfect man to put in any office. So, this discussion is not about that impossibility. This discussion is about WHAT IS POSSIBLE, for or against HIS WILL, with the choices we have. I would simply ask one thing: Is it HIS WILL that we say nothing and do nothing about evil? My answer is NO. I would say that the silent and do nothing Christian is not yielding to Almighty God for HIS USE. I see mortal Christians as tools GOD wishes to use for HIS Purpose. Other than that, men are just dirt clods, but God does love us.
Love in Christ,
Tom
