True teachings vs. false teachings

[Reba]

We stand against teachings that contradict Christs words as well. That's why there have been councils over the years, to
refute false teachings and clear up any other misinformed ideas. We're also guided by the Holy Spirit, Jesus promised the gates of hell would not prevail against us, and we believe Him.

Rich, when you say us do you mean the RCC and then does that imply the gate of hell will prevail against everyone who is not RCC?

Us is the Church, all Christians.  

 Tibby who are  'all Christians'?  

I am not sure if you are being silly.... just having some fun.... Maybe because you know what is in your head and heart you do not see how vague your reply is. Any way are your Rich?     Hm Rich the poster not rich as in $$$$$$$ your to young to be rich in $$$$$$$ and a student  right? or are you left as in liberal?  SHEESH   posting is complacated....

[Allinall]

David Koresh said that he worshiped no one but God either. Our actions are what shows who we worship in our hearts, not our words. I know of NO born again Christian who calls the pope Holy Father. A born again Christian is born of the spirit and his new Father is God. Until you are born of the spirit, you will continue to only know your earthly fathers. The ones whose allegiance is to the pope have no reverence for their only Father in heaven. They only pay Him lip service. Otherwise, they would object to calling anyone in the world Holy Father just as Jesus objected to it. Again, you don't have to believe Jesus, Christopher. I do. You can put your faith in the pope.

Good Preaching Heidi, Amen

Brother Love

Speaking of false teachings...

[Allinall]

Ya know, the gig before was the gay bashing.  Granted, homosexuality is sin and God is agin it.  But if it isn't one thing that draws us out to stamp a big "I AM AGAINST ________"[/b], it's another.  So.  What are you people who like to point out the speck in your brothers eye while missing the Sequoia stickin' out of your head actually for?

[Tibby]

We stand against teachings that contradict Christs words as well. That's why there have been councils over the years, to
refute false teachings and clear up any other misinformed ideas. We're also guided by the Holy Spirit, Jesus promised the gates of hell would not prevail against us, and we believe Him.

Rich, when you say us do you mean the RCC and then does that imply the gate of hell will prevail against everyone who is not RCC?

Us is the Church, all Christians.  

 Tibby who are  'all Christians'?  

Anyone who can say the Apostle's Creed honestly.

I am not sure if you are being silly.... just having some fun.... Maybe because you know what is in your head and heart you do not see how vague your reply is. Any way are your Rich?     Hm Rich the poster not rich as in $$$$$$$ your to young to be rich in $$$$$$$ and a student  right? or are you left as in liberal?  SHEESH   posting is complacated....

I answer for Rich when he is away.

[Rich]

Thank you Tibby, that darn work gets in the way of this important stuff sometimes.

[Reba]

1. I believe in God the Father, Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth:

2. And in Jesus Christ, his only begotten Son, our Lord:

3. Who was conceived by the Holy Ghost, born of the Virgin Mary:

4. Suffered under Pontius Pilate; was crucified, dead and buried: He descended into hell:

5. The third day he rose again from the dead:

6. He ascended into heaven, and sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty:

7. From thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead:

8. I believe in the Holy Ghost:

9. I believe in the holy catholic church: the communion of saints:

10. The forgiveness of sins:

1l. The resurrection of the body:

12. And the life everlasting. Amen.



This one  Rich/Tibby?

[His_child]

Thank you Tibby, that darn work gets in the way of this important stuff sometimes.

Don't ya just hate it when that happens?  

[Tibby]

Yeah, Work bites.

Well, you see Reba, in about 300 AD, Igneous of Antioch coined the Term “Catholic” With literally means “Universal.” But when you sink into the connotative means, it is so much deeper. It means connected, in one accord, united, as one. The Term “Catholic Church” was used before “Christianity” was. You see, in the beginning of the Church, it was one church. Not “Orthodox” or “Catholic” or “Baptists.” We were all the Orthodox, Catholic, and Baptized Church. If you believe that, no matter if you are Catholic, Baptist, or Episcopalian, you are still part of one church, if you believe that, then you qualify for line 9.

If that isn't good enough, then consider this, the Catecism basicly says you are still part of the Church, you just don't realize it yet. So, either way you look at it, you are Catholic

[_Christopher_]

David Koresh said that he worshiped no one but God either. Our actions are what shows who we worship in our hearts, not our words. I know of NO born again Christian who calls the pope Holy Father. A born again Christian is born of the spirit and his new Father is God. Until you are born of the spirit, you will continue to only know your earthly fathers. The ones whose allegiance is to the pope have no reverence for their only Father in heaven. They only pay Him lip service. Otherwise, they would object to calling anyone in the world Holy Father just as Jesus objected to it. Again, you don't have to believe Jesus, Christopher. I do. You can put your faith in the pope.

Interesting!  So the apostles were not "born again" christians either, since they called themselves "fathers" of their disciples!

Wow, the Gospel according to Heidi!  What was it that St Paul said about those that preach a different Gospel again?  Something about a curse?

[_Christopher_]

Thanks, Brother love. It's sure easy to spot the born again Christians from the "professed" Christians on this board. The professed Christians are loyal to the pope. The born again Christians are loyal to God. It's too bad one has to make a choice. But when someone takes the name that Jesus said is reserved for only ONE, then one does indeed have to make a choice.

Its too bad you propose a false dichotomy.  Its too bad people don't listen to the Bible about obeying their appointed leaders in authority.

[ebia]

Anyone who can say the Apostle's Creed honestly.

Apostles'  (I presume the apostrophy comes there) or the Nicene?   I believe our Orthodox friends don't use the Apostles' (although I don't know if they actually disagree with anything in it).  The only creed the whole church rubber stamped is the Nicene.

[Heidi]

Christopher, the disciples or apostles never asked US to call them "father."  When they used the word, 'father' they were referring to the word, 'founder' as in the founder of modern psychology, or the first one to spread the gospel as Paul did. The only founder of the church was Peter! Not the subsequent popes. So why do you think the later popes wanted to be called the Holy Father? They were not the founders of the church, Peter was! So what is their reason for this? Why are they our Holy Fathers? They are not the fathers of the church, so what kind of fathers are they? Why in the world do you think Jesus said that? For His health? Or don't you have a clue?

[Tibby]

Anyone who can say the Apostle's Creed honestly.

Apostles'  (I presume the apostrophy comes there) or the Nicene?   I believe our Orthodox friends don't use the Apostles' (although I don't know if they actually disagree with anything in it).  The only creed the whole church rubber stamped is the Nicene.

I kind of hesitated to say they  Nicene because I’ve had some trouble with that one before. People just don’t seem to know it as well. Plus, the name. People hear “Apostle” they think biblical, but they hear “Nicene” they thing “extra-biblical” or even “Pagan.” Because of the fact that my church is on the Journey, as you know, I have gotten use to the Apostle’s creed, for protestant sake. Granted, the Nicene Creed would be better for a guild line of what is Christian (that is why it was made, after all) but it is just easier for people to swallow. We arn't debating with an Heretical Sects, so I don't think the extra lines will matter for now.

[Heidi]

Oh people know the Nicene creed well. They recite with their eyes and hearts closed. If you speak from your heart, Tibby, instead of by rote, then I will believe you. So far your heart is loyal to the pope instead of to Christ's words. Once Christ is in your heart, you will understand why Jesus said not to call anyone on earth 'father'.

[Rich]

Whew, Heidi, are you God? Because you sure seem to know whats in everybodys hearts and minds.
   So when i call my father, father, i'm really referring to the word founder, as in he is the founder of modern me? Wow i've sure been off on that one for awhile now.
       That dictionary might clear up some of your confusion if you would just open it up.