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Confused about Christ's Coming? There are many Second Coming Bible passages which are frequently mistaken for the Rapture. Some times they are even taught as if they were one and the same. Even more confusion exists regarding when the Rapture occurs in relation to the Tribulation. But the student of the Scriptures would do well to pay close attention to the contrasting traits and purposes of each event.

"True wisdom is not manifested in trying to see resemblances in things which differ, but in discerning the real difference among those which resemble one another." - Unknown (see: Rom. 2:18; Php. 1:10)

This article is a study aid designed to be read in conjunction with the mentioned Bible references. These are the basic questions which will be answered by this article.

What is the Rapture, Tribulation and Second Coming?
Where do we find these concepts in the Bible?
What is the purpose of the Tribulation?
How do these three prophetic events relate to each other?
What resources are available for further study?

The Rapture

Is "rapture" in the Bible? Yes! The Latin derivative "rapture" is a synonym for the English "catch up" (2 Cor. 12:4; 1 Thes. 4:17). Both terms are translated from the original New Testament Greek verb "harpazo." All three terms are found in the Bible (which corresponds to their respective languages).

1 Thessalonians 4:17-18 "Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words."

The Rapture will conclude this grace dispensation (Eph. 3:2) and precede the future 7 year Tribulation (2 Thes. 2). In 2 Thes. 2:2 "the departure" has the Greek definite article and is refering back to the previously mentioned rapture. Although there was at least one Old Testament allusion/type/foreshadowing (Enoch raptured a period of 7 since Adam and a period of 7/one generation before the flood/judgement: Gen. 5:24; Mt. 24: 34; Heb. 11:5; Jude 1:14) of the Rapture, it is only specifically referred to in the Pauline epistles. Why? Because the rapture was part of the secret mystery revealed through Paul for believers in the dispensation of grace (1 Cor. 15). The next prophesied event which concerns us is the Rapture. Christ's secret coming is imminent (1 Cor. 1:7; 16:22; Php. 3:20; 4:5; 1 Thes. 1:10; *** . 2:13). We are not told to look for Antichrist or the "abomination of desolation", but for Christ's Rapture. The pretribulational approach is the only interpretation which takes the Bible literally and brings us His promised comfort.

"About the Time of the End, a body of men will be raised up who will turn their attention to the Prophecies, and insist upon their literal interpretation, in the midst of much clamor and opposition" - Sir Isaac Newton (McClain, Alva. Daniel's Prophecy of the 70 Weeks. Pg. 2)

Rapture Bible Verses

Rom. 8: 19-25; 1 Cor. 1:7-8; 15:51-53; 16:22; 2 Cor. 12:4?; Gal. 5:5; Php. 3:20-21; 4:5; Col. 3:4; 1 Thes. 1:10; 2:1, 3, 19; 3:13; 4:13-18; 5:9, 23; 2 Thes. 2:1, 3, 7; 1 Tim. 3:14-15?; 6:14; 2 Tim. 4:18; Titus 2:11-13; (NOT Rev. 3:10; 4:1!)

Purpose of the Tribulation

All believers are promised general tribulation (suffering) in this life (Rom. 5:3; 2 Cor. 12:10; Php. 1:29; 1 Thes. 3:3; 1 Pet. 1:7; 2:19; 4:12). However, believers in this dispensation are promised deliverance (Rom. 5:9?; 1 Thes. 1:9-10; 5:9; 2 Thes. 2:3, 7) "from the wrath to come" (the 7 year Tribulation).

1 Thessalonians 1:10 "...and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, even Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come."

To know whether we will participate in any part of the Tribulation, we need to know God's purpose for Daniel's 70th week of years. Who is the Tribulation for? "Jacob's (father of Israel) trouble" is stated only to be for Israel (Jer. 30:7; Dan. 9:20-25) and unbelievers (1 Thes. 1:8; 2:12), not us. We will be taken away before antichrist is revealed (2 Thes. 2:7). The reasons for the Tribulation are for God to exercise His wrath on the Christ rejecting world and to prepare the remnant of Israel (including Gentile proselytes) for it's promised King (my Lord Jesus Christ) and earthly kingdom (Deut. 4:29-30; Jer. 30:3-11; Zech. 12:10).

Tribulation Scripture References

Dan. 8:24-27; 12:1-2; Mt. 13:30-50; 24:15-31; 1 Thes. 1:9-10; 5:4-9; 2 Thes. 2:1-11; Rev. 4-18; 6:16-17; Jer. 30:7; Dan. 9:20-25; 1 Thes. 1:8; 2:12; Deut. 4:29-30; Jer. 30:3-11; Zech. 12:10

The Second Coming

Remember that all the Bible is for us (Rom. 15:4; 1 Cor. 10:6; 2 Tim. 3:16), but only the apostle Paul's letters are 100% applicable to us (Acts 9:15; 22:21; 26:17; Rom. 2:16; 11:13; 16:25; Gal. 2:8-9; Eph. 3:1, 8; Col. 1:27; 1 Tim. 2:7, 2 Tim. 1:11; 2:Cool in the dispensation of grace. All references to Christ's coming in the Jewish (non-Pauline) letters are referring to the second coming of Christ at the end of the future 7 year tribulation. There are also a few references to Christ's coming in judgment in the Thessalonian letters.

Zechariah 14:3-4a "Then the LORD will go forth And fight against those nations, As He fights in the day of battle. And in that day [end of the Tribulation] His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, Which faces Jerusalem on the east."

There were also many Old Testament allusions (foreshadows, types, examples) to the second advent of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Noah (remnant of Israel) was saved through the flood (global judgment).
Lot (believing remnant) flees (to the hills) the destruction of Sodom (spiritual Jerusalem).
Parables of Jesus often have a first and second coming divided by a king in exile aspect .
Moses (foreshadow of the Prophet to come, Jesus), David and Joseph had a first (lowly) and second (kingly) coming divided by a period of exile (dispensation of grace, Eph. 3, Rom. 11).
The plagues and the exodus foreshadow in microcosm the world wide tribulation and deliverance of the remnant of Israel from Armageddon.

Second Coming Cross-References

Deut. 30:3; 32:41-42; Dan. 2:44-45, 7:9-14; 12:1-3; Ez. 43:2-7; Zech. 12:10; 14:1-15; 41:1-3 Mt. 13:14; 23:39; 24: 15-44, 48-51; 25:13, 31; 26:64; Mk. 13:14-27; 14:62; Lk. 12:36-48; 17:24; 21:25-28; Jn. 14:1-3; Acts 1:9-11; 3:19-21; 15:14-17; 1 Thes. 5:3; 2 Thes. 1:6-10; 2:2, 8; Heb. 9:28; James 5:7-9; 1 Pet. 1:7, 13; 4:12-13; 5:4; 2 Pet. 3:1-14; 1 Jn. 2:28-3:2; Jude 14-15; Rev. 1:7-8; 19:11-20:6; 22:7, 12, 20; Rev. 1:10; 2:25; 3:10; 4:1; 19:11-21; 22:20

Differences

The Second Coming (Revelation 19, Zechariah 14, Matthew 24, Daniel 7) is not the Rapture (1&2 Thessalonians, 1 Corinthians 15). The Rapture takes place before the 7 year Tribulation (wrath of God/Lamb, the day of the Lord, Jacob's trouble, Daniel's 70th week, the great day of His wrath, etc.). It is a secret coming in the air (not on the ground) for (not with) the believers of all nations. Jesus never touches the ground and the world does not see him. The resurrection of the rapture takes place during (not after) Christ's partial decent.

The second coming is 180 degrees different. It occurs at the end of the 7 year Tribulation. The resurrection of tribulation saints takes place after (Rev. 19-20) Christ's complete decent of the second advent. The unbelievers are taken away (Mt. 13) as the Lord returns to the earth to save Israel (Rom. 11, Rev. 19). It is not a secret, for it is seen by the whole world (Mt. 24:30). Although there are a few similarities (clouds, Jesus, believers, coming) between the Rapture (secret, air, church, pre-trib., deliverance) and the Second Coming (public, ground, Israel, post-trib., vengeance), let us discern the differences. For this purpose, I highly recommend the resources below.



When reading writings on prophecy, it will serve you well to keep in mind that direct rapture passages only occur in the Pauline books of the Bible (Rom. - Phm.). All references to the coming of Christ in the non-Pauline books are referring to His second coming/advent to save Israel. Just as Moses was the primary revelator to Israel "under the law" program, so Paul is our apostle in "the dispensation of the grace of God" (Rom. 6:14; 11:13; 2 Cor. 5:16; Gal. 2:8; 5:18; Eph. 3:2; 2 Tim. 3:8-10). Therefore it only makes sense that our apostle and not the 12 apostles of the law/kingdom program would receive and convey our "blessed hope" of resurrection and rapture. Hence we are "looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ" (Titus 2:13).

MARANATHA!!! (1 Cor. 16:22, Aramaic: "Our Lord, come")



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« Reply #33 on: July 08, 2003, 05:50:58 AM »

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Why do I get the impression that you often talk just to hear the sound of your voice?  Grin Grin Grin  Jus' kiddin' brother!  Well stated and true.
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A4C,

Why do I get the impression that you often talk just to hear the sound of your voice?  Grin Grin Grin  Jus' kiddin' brother!  Well stated and true.

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Why not place your trust in Christ who died to "deliver us from the wrath to come."

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    Looking up beats looking down any day!

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    Looking up beats looking down any day!

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« Reply #39 on: July 12, 2003, 09:46:11 PM »

In I Thes. 1:10, the Apostle Paul, by divine inspiration,
assures believers that the Lord Jesus Christ has "delivered
us from the wrath to come." He refers, of course, to deliv-
erance from the penalty of sin. But in other passages he
declares that we are also delivered from the power of sin.
In Col. 1:12,13, for example, he gives thanks to God "Who
hath delivered us from the power of darkness and hath
translated us into the kingdom of His dear Son."

This deliverance, and the glory of our heavenly position
and blessings in Christ, we may enjoy experientially now,
by grace. Rom. 6:14 says: "For sin shall not have dominion
over you, for ye are not under the law but under grace." This
does not mean that it is not possible for the believer to sin,
but rather that it is possible, in any situation, not to sin.
Thus the same passage in Romans goes on to say that we
should not yield ourselves as servants to sin, but to God,
who, in grace has broken sin's power over us.

Finally, the believer in Christ will one day be delivered
even from the presence of sin, for at our Lord's coming for us
"we shall all be changed" (I Cor. 15:51). Believers should
long for Christ's coming for them, not merely because these
bodies of humiliation will then be glorified, but because
from that moment on they shall never again be tempted or
defiled by sin. What a change that will be!

In II Cor. 1:10 the Apostle includes all three tenses of the
believer's deliverance. Here he tells how God has "delivered
us from so great a death, and doth deliver, in whom we
trust that He will yet deliver us." This is why he could write
to the Philippians about his confidence that "He who hath
begun a good work in you will perform [complete] it until the
day of Jesus Christ" (Phil. 1:6).

Some may not feel the need of deliverance now, but we all
need deliverance from sin and its results. If you have not
yet experienced this deliverance, why not place your trust
in Christ who died to "deliver us from the wrath to come."
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Guess What?













I am Still Looking Up  Grin
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Why not place your trust in Christ who died to "deliver us from the wrath to come."



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« Reply #42 on: July 14, 2003, 07:47:34 AM »

In I Thes. 1:10, the Apostle Paul, by divine inspiration,
assures believers that the Lord Jesus Christ has "delivered
us from the wrath to come." He refers, of course, to deliv-
erance from the penalty of sin. But in other passages he
declares that we are also delivered from the power of sin.
In Col. 1:12,13, for example, he gives thanks to God "Who
hath delivered us from the power of darkness and hath
translated us into the kingdom of His dear Son."

This deliverance, and the glory of our heavenly position
and blessings in Christ, we may enjoy experientially now,
by grace. Rom. 6:14 says: "For sin shall not have dominion
over you, for ye are not under the law but under grace." This
does not mean that it is not possible for the believer to sin,
but rather that it is possible, in any situation, not to sin.
Thus the same passage in Romans goes on to say that we
should not yield ourselves as servants to sin, but to God,
who, in grace has broken sin's power over us.

Finally, the believer in Christ will one day be delivered
even from the presence of sin, for at our Lord's coming for us
"we shall all be changed" (I Cor. 15:51). Believers should
long for Christ's coming for them, not merely because these
bodies of humiliation will then be glorified, but because
from that moment on they shall never again be tempted or
defiled by sin. What a change that will be!

In II Cor. 1:10 the Apostle includes all three tenses of the
believer's deliverance. Here he tells how God has "delivered
us from so great a death, and doth deliver, in whom we
trust that He will yet deliver us." This is why he could write
to the Philippians about his confidence that "He who hath
begun a good work in you will perform [complete] it until the
day of Jesus Christ" (Phil. 1:6).

Some may not feel the need of deliverance now, but we all
need deliverance from sin and its results. If you have not
yet experienced this deliverance, why not place your trust
in Christ who died to "deliver us from the wrath to come."


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« Reply #44 on: July 15, 2003, 06:05:48 AM »

In Matthew 24:37-42, we are told that conditions on the earth prior to the Lords coming will be similar to those in Noahs day.

The record in Genesis 6:5-7 states that, "the thoughts of mens hearts were only evil continually," and, "the Lord was grieved that he made man upon the earth."

An honest appraisal of present-day morals must conclude that we are heading in the same direction. To the Lords people, it is a comforting thought that when evil has reached its peak, God always calls a halt. It was so in Noahs day. While the multitude of people were "eating and drinking, marrying and being given in marriage," entirely indifferent to their eternal welfare, suddenly the flood came and took them all away. Only Noah and his family were spared because they had entered the ark. Those who were "taken" died in the flood.

"That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. Two men will be in the field. One will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding with a hand mill. One will be taken and the other left (Matthew 24:39-41).

Taken where?

Not to Heaven, as is sometimes taught, but to judgment. The one who is left will enter the kingdom which Christ will have come to establish.

To God's people in this present evil age, the Apostle Paul by inspiration tells of a secret coming of Christ (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18, 1 Corinthians 15:51,52). Then, instead of being "taken away," members of the Body of Christ will be "caught up" to meet the Lord in the air and "so shall we ever be with the Lord."

How wonderful to have this hope of being "caught up" and not "taken away." It can be yours by simply believing the good news, trusting in Jesus Christ for your forgiveness and eternal salvation.

"God made Him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God" (2 Corinthians 5:21).

"Therefore, having been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ" (Romans 5:1).

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