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This is the same European Union that refused to incorporate any mention of Europe's Christian heritage in its recently drafted Consitution.


Mount Athos' Special Status Under Scrutiny


STRASBOURG, France, SEPT. 9, 2003 (Zenit.org).- The European Parliament is considering revising the centuries-old special status enjoyed by the monastic community of Mount Athos in Greece.

The Parliament's plenary session approved a report giving the green light for the revision of the status of the peninsula of northern Greece inhabited solely by monks.

The Greek Orthodox Church, in its latest Ecclesia Report, announced that "the plenary session of the Euro-Parliament passed a proposal-report prepared by French Euro-deputy Fode Sylla concerning the EU Fundamental Rights situation for 2002, which includes, among others, a reference to the special status enjoyed by the monastic community of Mount Athos, in northern Greece."

According to the Euro-deputies, the controversial point is that the isles of Athos do not allow entry to women. The Euro-deputies see this prohibition as an infringement on women's human rights, so they asked the Greek government to revise the prohibition.

The Sylla report received only negative votes by the deputies of the Greek Socialist government. If the proposal goes forward, it might face a second vote.

The Greek government and the Orthodox Church defend the situation of the status of the monastic community because of its 1,000-year link with the country's traditions, values, symbols and religious faith.
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[Mr. 5020]

Can we say the "Antichrist's kingdom"?

[Reba]

Can we say the "Antichrist's kingdom"?

What scripture tells us of an king  antichrist?

What scripture tells us of an antichrist with a kingdom?

[Mr. 5020]

Can we say the "Antichrist's kingdom"?

What scripture tells us of an king  antichrist?

What scripture tells us of an antichrist with a kingdom?

*sigh* If you would like to get into a Revelation interpretation debate, go right ahead.  That dead horse has been kicked so much on this site that we'll simply be beating on the bone fragments that are left.

Obviously, I believe that the ten (are they heads or horns) in the book of Revelation are ten European Union countries that will unite under the AntiChrist.

[Reba]

Can we say the "Antichrist's kingdom"?

What scripture tells us of an king  antichrist?

What scripture tells us of an antichrist with a kingdom?

*sigh* If you would like to get into a Revelation interpretation debate, go right ahead.  That dead horse has been kicked so much on this site that we'll simply be beating on the bone fragments that are left.

Obviously, I believe that the ten (are they heads or horns) in the book of Revelation are ten European Union countries that will unite under the AntiChrist.

A Revelation interpretation debate?   NOPE   just show me the scriptural backing for your beliefs.   Scritural referance to 'antichrist' are only found in the little books of John but  we wont go there  i guess * sigh*

[Mr. 5020]

Can we say the "Antichrist's kingdom"?

What scripture tells us of an king  antichrist?

What scripture tells us of an antichrist with a kingdom?

*sigh* If you would like to get into a Revelation interpretation debate, go right ahead.  That dead horse has been kicked so much on this site that we'll simply be beating on the bone fragments that are left.

Obviously, I believe that the ten (are they heads or horns) in the book of Revelation are ten European Union countries that will unite under the AntiChrist.

A Revelation interpretation debate?   NOPE   just show me the scriptural backing for your beliefs.   Scritural referance to 'antichrist' are only found in the little books of John but  we wont go there  i guess * sigh*

I told you why I believe that.  It's not like I'm alone on this theory.  Read up on it...you have many authors to choose from.  Tim LaHaye, Jerry Jenkins, CH Spurgeon, CW Criswell...it goes on and on.

[Reba]

Yup lots of writers to agree with.


I wonder why the Apostle John didn't pen the words of GOD the way Tim Lahaye, Haggee,  Hal, Scofield etc. read them.


Hey Mr 5020  we dont have to agree  

[Mr. 5020]

Yup lots of writers to agree with.


I wonder why the Apostle John didn't pen the words of GOD the way Tim Lahaye, Haggee,  Hal, Scofield etc. read them.


Hey Mr 5020  we dont have to agree  

Well, clearly John wasn't speaking in a literal sense, so it must figuratively mean something.  I've presented why I believe my view.  You haven't even presented your view.  Unless you have some sort of argument (farbeit a valid one), can you shut up already.

[Reba]

Yup lots of writers to agree with.


I wonder why the Apostle John didn't pen the words of GOD the way Tim Lahaye, Haggee,  Hal, Scofield etc. read them.


Hey Mr 5020  we dont have to agree  

Well, clearly John wasn't speaking in a literal sense, so it must figuratively mean something.  I've presented why I believe my view.  You haven't even presented your view.  Unless you have some sort of argument (farbeit a valid one), can you shut up already.

I am sorry you wish to be rude. Trust in the writing of the guys I'll trust  the scrtiptures.  

[Mr. 5020]

Look Reba, you said:

What scripture tells us of an king  antichrist?

What scripture tells us of an antichrist with a kingdom?

I replied:

Obviously, I believe that the ten (are they heads or horns) in the book of Revelation are ten European Union countries that will unite under the AntiChrist.

I didn't quote the reference at the time because I didn't know it, but obviously I was referring to a verse in the book of Revelation.  Since I have time to look it up now, you can see Revelation 13:1 for the exact verse.

Then after telling you why I believed what I do, you said:

just show me the scriptural backing for your beliefs.

Now that is what I had just done, so I got frustrated, but instead of showing it, I said you could just research it.  You then made another "brilliant comment":

I wonder why the Apostle John didn't pen the words of GOD the way Tim Lahaye, Haggee,  Hal, Scofield etc. read them.

Now this is pretty easy.  John spoke Greek.  Tim LaHaye doesn't.  See why their words might be different.  Now, obviously as I said before, when John wrote the book of Revelation, he was not speaking in literal terms, but figurative terms.  Now, you keep insisting I'm wrong, but you never give any evidence that I'm wrong, nor give me any other valid alternative.

[Reba]

Care to show me the post  where i said  Mr. 5020 your wrong?

Rev 13:1
13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
KJV

  Where in this verse does it say  'the antichrist is a king'?

[sunodino]

Care to show me the post  where i said  Mr. 5020 your wrong?


  Where in this verse does it say  'the antichrist is a king'?

Oh Reba, everytime there is an interesting theological debate, you jump on someone. If you have a revelation, why don't you share it instead of picking apart a sentence or two.

Here is your scripture:
Revelation 16:10, 11
And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,  And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.

[Reba]

I read the verse just fine and again it does not say antichrist. Post all the verses you wish they do not say antichrist. Yes i know ther is a translation out there that does but which it is i can not  rememeber.

Only place in scripture antichrist is used is in the little books of John. To say other wise is to add to the scripture. Do we allow ourselfs to alter the WORD of GOD to fit our interpations? or do we read what GOD wrote?

It is to bad it is considered "jumping on someone" to expect a theologoical discussion to be scriptural.  Had GOD wanted John to use the same verbage in Revelations as in the other books he penned he would have dont ya think?


Sorry i do not have a flare for  writing. I tend to be direct and simple if you do not care for my style dont read my posts.

[Reba]

Look Reba, you said:

What scripture tells us of an king  antichrist?

What scripture tells us of an antichrist with a kingdom?

I replied:

Obviously, I believe that the ten (are they heads or horns) in the book of Revelation are ten European Union countries that will unite under the AntiChrist.

I didn't quote the reference at the time because I didn't know it, but obviously I was referring to a verse in the book of Revelation.  Since I have time to look it up now, you can see Revelation 13:1 for the exact verse.

Then after telling you why I believed what I do, you said:

just show me the scriptural backing for your beliefs.

Now that is what I had just done, so I got frustrated, but instead of showing it, I said you could just research it.  You then made another "brilliant comment":

I wonder why the Apostle John didn't pen the words of GOD the way Tim Lahaye, Haggee,  Hal, Scofield etc. read them.

Now this is pretty easy.  John spoke Greek.  Tim LaHaye doesn't.  See why their words might be different.  Now, obviously as I said before, when John wrote the book of Revelation, he was not speaking in literal terms, but figurative terms.  Now, you keep insisting I'm wrong, but you never give any evidence that I'm wrong, nor give me any other valid alternative.

[VNB]

Obviously, I believe that the ten (are they heads or horns) in the book of Revelation are ten European Union countries that will unite under the AntiChrist.

Might I enquire which ten of the fifteen existing or future member states you are refering to?

As to the 'Christian heritage'  might I ask why you feel that they should mention religion at all in what is after all a political institution? The heritage of Europe is one of division and often warfare, often fueled by (or in many cases caused by) religious difference. Remember, most of the development of the different strands of Christianity was fought out in Europe.

Please remember that the EU is expanding and will soon include non Christian nations such as Turkey as well as only nominally Christian countries such as the UK.

There used to be an expression (do you have it in the US?) "Never talk about religion or politics (at the dinner table)" There is a well established belief in much of the EU that you should not "mix religion and politics".