author Tibby
I explained this clearly, but he didn't undedrstand it this is why, he asked again the same Q....
Blessings,
Petro
There was nothing
clear about it. Sorry, bro.
tibby,
See, thats all you needed to say, rather than going into your smoke blowing tirade, if you recall your answer was something to the affect of "fire from heaven", you never said
My explanantion was not clear to you.
bluelake didn't have a problem with my explanantion, and I suspect 3wells, didn't either, or perhaps he didn't care to comment, hewever, I am willing to have you understand it perfectly.
Let me see if I can put it in simpler terms.
You said:
At my church, we don’t speak in tongues in front of the Congregation. People are welcome to, but they know the rules, interpretation of tongues is clearly stated in the bible.
Well, it is only in this generation, that the catholic church, has some of its splintered groups, begining to claim gifts such as tongues, the mopther church never taught it nor claimed they were gifts for day useage.
But, lets talk about your church.
Since tongues is a subjective experience both to the one speaking and the one hearing, and the scripture states, that the one speaking in tongues's understanding is unfruitfull, together with verse 1 Cor 14:13, it is given to understand, that even the person speaking in tongues, needs to have his words spoken in tongues, interpreted to him, since he does not understand, what he has said, himself.
So, what I have said, is that the person speaking in tongues according to the scriptures, as a matter of course does not understand himself, what he has said, he himself is spiritually edified (1 Cor 14:4), but his understanding is unfruitfull, unless he
interprets (notice, how that one that speaks in tongues, is only greater than one who prophecies unless he interprets, [1 Cor 14:5], this in itself opens this gift up to abuse, by those that want to be consider
greater than all in the church), either way, tongues spoken in the church must be interpreted by someone or the one doing the speaking.
Now, here is how this gets interesting, and depending what the speaker does or says, is what can be understood by the hears to be of God, or not.
You said;
but they know the rules, interpretation of tongues is clearly stated in the bible.
This rule, is actually a Commandment of the Lord, so obedience to it is crucial and by this obedience or not, one will determine if this is a hoax, or not.
It is understood then, that if someone in the church wants to speak in tongues (which cannot be anything but pray, since it is not prophecying, because; (.......... he that speaketh in an tongue speaketh
not unto men, but unto God: [1 Cor 14:2], if it is prophecy, imediately you can know it is a hoax, because
...... he that prophesieth speaketh unto men ........, he must know if there is somone who can interpret.
Because, he can only speak unless someone interprets, now if he is able to intrepret then of course, he may proceed, and cannot be forbiden to speak.
Now let compare what is a prayer to God, as opposed to prophecy;
While it clear God spoke to men by prophets in times past, He does not speak to men this way any longer, and tongues is
NOT prophecying, tongues is a man
speaking to God.
So lets assume someone gets up in your church and speaks in tongues, the interpreter will interpret while this individual speaks, how do I know this?, you might asks,
because verses 16 and 17, it is given to understand that the hearers, will say Amen at the proper moment you bless with the spirit, notice carefully;
"Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall
he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest? For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified.
So what are we saying herein??
That the one who prays in tongues, while having his prayer interpreted, will bless (those hearers, with what he prays) with the spirit, and the ones present listening who are being blessed, will say
Amen at thy giving of thanks to God.
For instance, here is what it should sound like.
1. Person praying in tongues: bn nlkj kd jkf;odl kvflkv ;
2. Interterpreter: Thank you father for this day and,
3. Congregation of listeners: Amen..
1. ; hhtt, yotmrn fl;soe sopdmwkm ksdkewo ow acaoedk..
2. ; and we praise you for giving us our daily bread,
3 Praise the Lord, amen...
You may disagree with me, but this is the picture painted by these scriptures, of one praying in tongues in the church gathering, and having the prayer interpreted, and the reaction of the believers while being edified by the one speaking in tongues.
Now, having said this, if anyone gets up and begings his prayer speaking in tongues, with the following words:
Thus saith the Lord.......
Imediately you can know this is not for real,
it is a HOAX, because he is bringing a message from God to man, and this is impossible because speaking in tongues is not man speaking to man in the form of prophesying, it is
"man speaking to God in the Spirit." (1 Cor 14:2)
I trust this clarified this matter for you.
Blessings,
Petro
