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56146  Theology / Completed and Favorite Threads / Re:Eternal Security. on: April 20, 2003, 07:43:28 AM
Regardless how many feel on whether this is a great truth or not, (it wouldn't change it one iota) and we should  be shouting it from the rooftops, we should not let it slip away from us, and we be believe it, because we understand the teaching of it, and we teach it, because the next generation of soldiers of the cross need to understand it; it is a fou8ndational doctrine to our faith,  because it is grounded in the truth of the Living Word of God.

Oklahoma Howdy To Petro,

I believe this is the greatest truth and the greatest event of the Holy Bible and the history of mankind. I'm drinking a cup of coffee and getting ready to leave to spend Easter with my daughter and her family. There is no doubt at all that we serve a LIVING SAVIOUR, JESUS CHRIST, OUR LORD.

If there is any doubt, it is on the part of man, NOT GOD. Another Christian friend uses the terms, DIE OR FLY. You are already aware that dying is for the lost and FLYING IS FOR GOD'S CHILDREN. He didn't expound further on FLYING, but I immediately recognized much more in these simple words. The pilot is JESUS, one worthy of complete faith and confidence. The flight is beautiful, safe, and secure in complete assurance of our safe destination. Our complete confidence should be shared with others so they may also FLY WITH JESUS. There should be no fear of FLYING, as there is joy from the beginning of the flight. Boarding is entry into his GLORIOUS LIGHT. We rest safe and secure in HIS POWERFUL MIGHT.

56147  Theology / Completed and Favorite Threads / Re:Eternal Security. on: April 20, 2003, 01:19:18 AM
Jesus was never intended to be analized and disected to the point of being a lifeless doctrine. OSAS is lifeless and vain.

Oklahoma Howdy to Asaph,

I was talking about the Gospel of God's Grace, not a doctrine. The key word here is GRACE, a free gift not earned or deserved. You would have to add to or take away to get anything else.

I wouldn't have a clue why you would say that Eternal Salvation is lifeless and vain. It would be the exact opposite. Our Saviour, Jesus Christ, LIVES, and we have eternal life with him THROUGH HIS SHED BLOOD ON THE CROSS. There is no vanity for man in the Gospel of God's Grace, nor is there any glory for man. ALL GLORY GOES TO ALMIGHTY GOD.

Some men are mistaken that they can achieve righteousness in themselves or do enough good works to save themselves. This is the vanity of man and false teaching. If this was possible, the crucifixion of Jesus Christ on the cross was for nothing. I am convinced that man is in desperate need of a Saviour, Jesus Christ. To understand the Gospel of God's Grace, you need to forget about self. If you wish to accept Jesus Christ as your personal Saviour, you are purchased and belong to him. If you live or glory, you will LIVE AND GLORY IN HIM, not yourself. You won't be able to see the GLORY OF THE GOSPEL OF GOD'S GRACE until you forget about self and LIVE IN CHRIST.
56148  Fellowship / You name it!! / Re:Relaxing? on: April 19, 2003, 11:20:15 AM
HEHE...that would be me.. BEpeas..im the guilty party..Hey its the PK coming out in me... Wink LOL
 Grin Grin Grin


Oklahoma Howdy to PK TigerLily,

I guess it's ok since you got one of my better pictures.  Grin
56149  Fellowship / You name it!! / Re:Relaxing? on: April 19, 2003, 02:07:47 AM
Having trouble relaxing??


All I want to know is who gave you my baby picture?  Cheesy
56150  Theology / Apologetics / Re:Michael ARE YOU SURE on: April 19, 2003, 01:29:30 AM
Ok, thank you Ambassador4 christ. or what shall I call you Huh

Oklahoma Howdy to Drake,

I think "A Brother In Christ" would be fine. That's what most of us call him.
56151  Theology / Apologetics / Re:Michael ARE YOU SURE on: April 19, 2003, 01:16:16 AM
Michael you did not offened me ;)so there is no need to apologize to me

But I would like to know on what thread this all started so I could read it. Thanks Smiley

Oklahoma Howdy to Drake,

You can't read it, as he deleted all of his posts. You are getting about 1/4 of the story. I, for one, have chosen to completely ignore and not even read some posts. This is the last you will hear me say anything about this subject. I come here for fellowship.
56152  Theology / Completed and Favorite Threads / Re:Eternal Security. on: April 19, 2003, 12:51:55 AM
Oklahoma Howdy to Petro,

Law, self-righteousness, and works


God's Love & Grace, The Blood of Jesus, Our Lord & Saviour

were hot topics of debate during the time of the Apostle Paul. I seriously doubt the debate will end in this age. I've seen several recent polls that indicate about 60% of Christians believe that Salvation is a one time and eternal event. Salvation is a gift that we didn't earn or deserve and one that we will never earn or deserve. All of the Glory goes to God and none to man. The Promise of God is ROCK SOLID. GOD SAID IT, IT'S DONE.
56153  Theology / Completed and Favorite Threads / Re:Eternal Security. on: April 18, 2003, 10:33:23 AM
Those that teach, you can lose the free gift, and claim faith in Jesus for their salvation, deny the blood that bought them, they don;t even realize what they espouse,.

Oklahoma Howdy to Petro,

It's nice to see you back on Christians Unite. It is nice to know that our trust and confidence is in Jesus, and not ourselves. One of my favorite phrases comes from a beautiful hymn, "Jesus Paid it All, All to Him I owe". My words are simple, but I say them often, "GOD SAID IT, IT'S DONE!"

In Christ.
56154  Theology / Completed and Favorite Threads / Re:Eternal Security. on: April 17, 2003, 04:37:07 PM
One more thing lest my good be evil spoken of...When I mentioned the wood, hay and stubble burning away, I by no means adhere to or support any concept of a pergutory.  My God will justly deal with my worthless works, but will also honor not only the good works on my part, but the best work of His Son found in my redemption.

Oklahoma Howdy to Allinall,

Amen! All of the Glory goes to ALMIGHTY GOD.
56155  Theology / Completed and Favorite Threads / Re:Eternal Security. on: April 17, 2003, 09:16:14 AM
Wow! Thanks Pilgrim and Blackeyed Peas!  Smiley Awesome job! What an encouragement!

Oklahoma Howdy to SincereHeart,

Thanks, I'm glad you received encouragement. I do believe that confidence and assurance in Jesus leads to greater joy and happiness. Confidence in self leads to disappointment and failure. I do receive great joy that JESUS PAID IT ALL, ALL TO HIM I OWE! This is the beauty and glory of the Gospel of God's Grace. God's Grace is a beautiful and GLORIOUS TRUTH!
56156  Theology / General Theology / Re:God's Sabbath Rest on: April 16, 2003, 11:38:40 PM
Oklahoma Howdy to Sower,

I always enjoy your posts. It's ironic that I am many times studying the same subject you write about. I receive a blessing and understanding from your posts.

Thanks Brother.

In Christ,

56157  Theology / Completed and Favorite Threads / Re:Eternal Security. on: April 16, 2003, 09:37:36 PM

I pray you are ok, what with your trips to the doctor.
Oklahoma Howdy to Ollie,

I have a chronic condition in my back from an infection in my spine several years ago. It was nearly fatal twice and it ate part of my spine. Recent tests indicate no sign of the infection. My biggest problem is pain, but my doctor is making things somewhat better. Regardless, I'm very happy and thankful to be alive.
I appreciate your replies. Thank you for taking the time. I am considering your thoughts on the verses. I do have a question.
Those who will fall away and follow the man of sin; will they still be saved?

Thanks again,
In His love,

I will need some help answering this question. I have done some study on the anti-Christ and those who will be deceived and/or follow him. I would first ask whether the follower was ever saved in the first place. I've done some interesting word studies on the word "fall" and how it is used in numerous portions of the Bible. It is rendered "stumble" in many cases, indicating a fault or sin that can be repented of and forgiven. The word "salvation" also has some varying uses (i.e. saved from physical death, saved from spiritual death). It is rendered "escape" in some areas. There is also a doctrine of rewards lost in some cases, as opposed to loss of salvation.

I can only offer an opinion without evidence on this question. I think I'll have to leave this one to a preacher or Bible scholar using the forum. This one is over my head, but I do believe that a truly saved person cannot lose their salvation. Man is imperfect and all will fail, but God is perfect, pure, and cannot lie. If God makes a promise, IT'S DONE! Regarding Biblical evidence of what will be lost or not lost with the followers of the anti-Christ, I can't provide it.
56158  Theology / Completed and Favorite Threads / Re:Eternal Security. on: April 16, 2003, 08:47:42 PM
Does that mean one can stray from God's will and still be saved?
Thank you for the reply. I am studying your thoughts.


Yes, if you are talking about an error of doctrine. There is no faith or denomination without an error of doctrine, mainly because there is no one and true interpretation of the Holy Bible. Let me give you a couple more examples. Let's say your church says women can't cut their hair. This is not part of the Gospel of God's Grace. If the woman cut her hair or didn't cut her hair, it would not mean she either kept her salvation or lost it simply because of what she did with her hair. This command from the church would be false teaching.

Example 2: Your pastor commands all must wear robes without buttons or zippers, rather of simple hooks and eyes. This is not part of the Gospel of the Grace of God. Using buttons or not using buttons would not maintain or lose salvation. This command by the pastor would be an error in doctrine and a departure from the Gospel of God's Grace. This command from the pastor would be false teaching.

There would be other errors from doctrine that would be part of the Gospel of God's Grace. It would depend on what the error was and whether or not you knew it to be sin as to how it would effect your fellowship with Christ. Example 1: you check your horoscope in the newspaper every day just for fun and think nothing of it. Example 2: You consult a palm reader before you make any kind of a decision. Example 3: Money has become a God in your life. Example 4: You cheat on your wife. There might be debate on example 1, less debate on example 2, and no debate on examples 3 & 4. The next question would be, if you repent and confess these sins, would God forgive you, or would you forfeit your salvation?
56159  Fellowship / You name it!! / Re:The War on: April 15, 2003, 11:06:17 PM
I don't want to talk about weather the war is right or wrong (to everything, there is a season).  What I want to hear is how it is affecting you and your life.  Do you have friends/family there?  How do you handle the images on TV every day?  

My son serves in the Gulf on the aircraft carrier Nimitz. He and I both believe strongly in what he is doing for his country. I had a chance to meet many of his mates before they deployed. They were an outstanding group of the finest young men and women. There was a common denominator among them. They didn't want any more 9-11s, and they felt they were serving their future children and their children's children. They wanted to bring the battle to the turf of the terrorists and hopefully prevent the terrorists from bringing the battle to innocents in America. They didn't want their families to live in constant fear like the people of Israel. They were ready to give their lives for what they believed.

I was very proud of them. I dealt with a different type of violence for 25 years in police work. Completely senseless mass death was an unknown for cops before the Oklahoma City Bombing and 9-11. I was of the mistaken opinion that mass terrorism would never come to America. We've always felt somewhat protected by oceans and an outstanding military. We were right about the outstanding military, but we were wrong that America would never fall to mass terrorism.

I believe the real question must be what changed since 9-11. In my opinion, we can no longer ignore the rampage of terrorists. I feel good about what we are doing to put the terrorists in check. I simply wish the fight had been mine instead of my son's.
56160  Fellowship / You name it!! / Re:Subverters of Souls on: April 15, 2003, 10:02:45 PM
Oklahoma Howdy to Pilgrim & Psalmistsinger,

Brothers, I received blessings from your posts.

Thank you!

In Christ.
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