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1  Theology / Prophecy - Current Events / Re:Israelophiles on: October 27, 2003, 11:07:35 PM

Actually, it's a good question, Hitch.

I think I'll keep my eyes open, as I'm reading through scripture.

What's your point, anyway?  Or, why are you asking?
Obviouly Symph if the prophecies concerning returning to thje Land all come BEFORE a literal phyxsical return then  those promises are fulfilled.  And niether Petro nor anyone else can come up with a single prophcy of return to th eLand made AFTER the completion of the Babylonian exile.

Not that Scripture means anything to them, but it makes a witness.

Take care

2  Theology / Prophecy - Current Events / Re:IsraelsFirstReturn on: October 27, 2003, 11:03:36 PM

Here is the 'first' return.

15  And the LORD shall utterly destroy the tongue of the Egyptian sea; and with his mighty wind shall he shake his hand over the river, and shall smite it in the seven streams, and make men go over dryshod.
16  And there shall be an highway for the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria; like as it was to Israel in the day that he came up out of the land of Egypt.

So once back up from Egypt and once back from Babylon.

Too bad Petro

3  Theology / Prophecy - Current Events / Re:Israelophiles on: October 26, 2003, 09:37:57 PM
The virus seems to be a bay..

Lets try OT first then we can move on.

4  Theology / Prophecy - Current Events / Re:IsraelsFirstReturn on: October 26, 2003, 02:18:13 PM
Odd somthing so simple needs to be avoided so carefully.

5  Theology / Prophecy - Current Events / Re:Israelophiles on: October 26, 2003, 02:08:52 PM

Hmm, I don't know, twobombs.  What is your conclusion?

Hitch, to get what you're asking, the prophetic verse would just about have to specify that particular return from Babylon.

Some events in the O.T. are specific.  E.g., a solar eclipse is mentioned in Assyrian tablets.  Scholars know this date from astronomical tables, as occurring on June 15th or 16th, in 763 B.C..  From this they can date accurately the reign of the Assyrian kings for about 300 years forward of 910 B.C., which then they can use to identify biblical events.  (from BAR mag., Sept/Oct 2003, p.52)

Unless you're speaking of the period of the actual writingof the particular prophecy.  If you're talking about when a prophecy was actually penned, I don't know of much agreement on O.T. prophecies of when this took place, as many estimates seem to vary by as much as 500 years either way.

It says at the end of Luke there that Jesus opened up the scriiptures, "And beginning with Moses and all the prophets, he interpreted to them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself."  (24:27)

So I'm gathering that OT prophecies have multiple applications, from specific to general, at different periods.

Actually, the 1948 "return" is the first return, since the Romans made their final desecration, in the Second Jewish Revolt, 135 A.D.--just over 1800 years ago.

Before that, the "return" as indicated, I'm guessing, in Nehemiah.

But all or most of the OT prophecies to me are so "spiritual", or dreamlike, like trying to pin down a puff of smoke.

Dreamlike,,puff of smoke..watch out Symph talk like that ---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Anyway, I think this is quite simple. Procuce a promise or anything close of a return to the Land that came after the completion of the return frm Babylon.

Take care

6  Theology / Prophecy - Current Events / Re:Israelophiles on: October 26, 2003, 01:47:21 PM
Dan 9:25     Know therefore and understand, [that] from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince [shall be] seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

From Nehemiah to Christ entering the city of Jerusalem are 69 weeks of 7 years each ; 483 years.

483-30 = 453 BC in 360 days prophetic years ; a deviation of 7 years or so; 445 BC gregorian would be a very educated guess...  
anyone care to look this up in history books ?

( update: already did this with Google; most hits say +/- 450 BC I dare to say the bible is more accurate Smiley )

Well...  this took me 10 minutes with only one line of scripture...
Anyone care to read the overview of my study on the  Rapture that took me 10 years ?  Grin
I have no clue as to how this relates to the question.
7  Theology / Prophecy - Current Events / Re:Israelophiles on: October 25, 2003, 08:35:06 PM
Ok Symph,,then it shouldnt be hard to locate one made following the return from Babylon,,,should it?

Take care

8  Theology / Prophecy - Current Events / Israelophiles on: October 25, 2003, 08:01:12 PM
Can any of you produce a prophecy  ,promise  or passage  regarding a return to the Land  by the jews made after the completion of the return from Babylon?

9  Theology / Prophecy - Current Events / Re:IsraelsFirstReturn on: October 25, 2003, 05:16:22 PM
I have no idea what that means...
10  Theology / Prophecy - Current Events / Re:The Beast is Here. on: October 25, 2003, 12:52:58 AM
Killroy WAS here...
11  Theology / Prophecy - Current Events / IsraelsFirstReturn on: October 25, 2003, 12:30:51 AM
Any one know when this happened?

12  Theology / Prophecy - Current Events / Re:attacks in Israel on: October 16, 2003, 07:59:21 PM
Gee,, um,,, hmmmm  Werent there major military attacks on Israel after this prophecy was made?

13  Theology / Prophecy - Current Events / Re:Was Jesus happy? on: September 27, 2003, 06:31:28 PM
There is a time to laugh and a time to cry.

Jesus knew which was which.

14  Theology / Prophecy - Current Events / Re:Was Jesus happy? on: September 26, 2003, 08:43:40 PM
When was the last time you wnet to a party and brought all the booze?

15  Theology / Prophecy - Current Events / Re:UnconditionalAbrhamicCovenant on: September 05, 2003, 08:31:39 PM
It has long been a mainstay of DF thought that the 'unconditional' nature of Abe's covenant with God regarding the Land is the primary reason to extend land
 claims to modern Israel.

With that in mind:

Why is Esau excluded?

Take care


Had the covenant been unconditional they would not have ever needed to get the land back.

LOL  I reckon thats why the premise will remain unaddressed.

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