You laugh at me but you actually believe this is past history? Well then explain it. Put it all together because it makes no sense at all the way you've explained it so far.

Sure  ,,all you need to do is quote a passage from the Apocalypse that mentions antichrist.


Its right next to the one Paul cites Dans seventieth week in. But I see you havent come across that one either.

In the mean time we'll just pretend that Hebrews doesnt say Christ ended the sacrfices.

But Im not in a hurry.

Lets see what this really is saying: At the end of the 69th week the Messiah (Jesus) shall be cut off, but not for himself (for us). And the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.

Actually its says after 62 weeks,,,

  Lets work on this backwards to discover the truth. First we need to know what people destroyed the city of Jerusalem and the sanctuary. HISTORY tells us that the ROMANS destroyed the city and sanctuary in 70a.d. Now we have identified the "people" that destroyed the city were the ROMANS. The "prince" is the prince of the Romans. This prince is NOT JESUS but is Antichrist, the little horn, the beast out of the sea, he has many names and titles but Jesus is not one of them.

 And which Roman prince promised to destroy the Temple ? Which Roman prince prophecied that the King would send his armys to the city to burn it because of their murder of his son? Whic Roman prince spoke of these things and declared the generation living would live to witness the events described?

H

LOL So the mystery refers to Dan? Where does Paul say that?

Where does Paul alludeto or mention directly Dan's 'weeks' and where does he specify the seventieth week?

But you already said Dan was no longer sealed. Hmmmm doenst take much to gather then that the 'time of the end' which literalist love to switch to end times,heh heh, must .By the definition you gave have come at or near Paul's time.(which is correct,btw as that document known as the NT teaches in Heb 9;26)  I reckon thats no problem for those who define 'soon' as more than 2,000 years, but off Bizarro World it doesnt fly.

Now you have stated that Paul refers to Dan's 'weeks'. OK Support that idea. But havnt I already asked you to support this from the NT and havent you already  said there is none ?

H

[But now we see not yet all things put under him.]

Hitch,
If it doesn't get any better than this then why is there still evil in the world? Will the evil last forever? When will it end? How will it end?

This is illustrated in Matthew 13

1Co 15:53  For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
When?

We have already gained eternal life, still we go through the historical process which includes physical death, and for those who went before, they also wait for resurrection, which as Jesus promised will come at the last day.

Are all Jesus' enemies under his feet.
1Co 15:25  For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
Has this happened yet?

In the judicial sense Christ  conquered the world when he defeated satan by resurrection.  Again, we are required to go through the historical process,we live in time, and just as God had given the Land to Israel, they still had to move in and take it. This requires time and effort.

Heb 2:8  Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.
Do you see all things put under Jesus at present?

I take Christ at his word, and if he retains all power and authority in heaven and earth its hard to imagine  much in the way of leftovers

Why is there still evil in the world?

Because ,as above, Jesus said the good and the evil will exist side by side until the end.

Will the meek inherit the earth?
When?

The earnest was paid here

Mark 16:15
15   And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
(KJV)

Will the creation be in bondage to corruption at that time?
Or will there even be a physical creation?

Gee I thought God said the creation was 'good'.  You dont like it?

Will we just be in some nebulous ethereal existence with no physical substance to weigh us down?

I refer you to  John chapter six 39-54.

Rom 8:19  For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
Rom 8:20  For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
Rom 8:21  Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
Rom 8:22  For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
Rom 8:23  And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
Rom 8:24  For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
Rom 8:25  But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.

Has our body been redeemed yet? What does it mean for the body to be redeemed? When will this redemption take place.

see above reference.

Was Paul just a stupid futurist who needed the preterist to come and explain the spiritual application of these things to him? Hey Paul just wait till AD70 then all your questions will be answered. We will enter into a utopia that cannot be improved upon then. Yes AD70! I can't wait! All evil will be put down then!

LOL Well the proto-typical antichrist state was disolved then, pretty good start eh? And Rome was nearly torn to pieces from the inside, so I like to compare these great powers, Rome , Israel and the Church. Of these which has survived and grown since AD 70?

Come on lets get real! Look around you. Look at your body. Look at the corruption every where.

now look at  Mat 13 and you tell me when the good and the evil are finally seperated

What did AD 70 do for that. Jesus did not return in AD70.

Well gee Kieth thats pretty obvious...

Don't bother appealing to the unbeliever Josephus. Let's stop pussy footing around the real issues and stand up for truth.

asaph

take care

Hitch

sorry for editing have to head to work

Hmmmm

All this about cards and chips and on and on. The relationship to Scripture is  interpretive to say the least. And the familiar  silence on a banking matter that is nearly universal and listed among the 'abominations' of OT Law, namely 'Fractional Reserve Banking'.

oh well



H

[The time is fulfilled,]

If you add this two numbers together 7 + 62 = 69 weeks ......so you have 1 week missing........... That is talked about in Dan 9:27 Then the prince shall confirm a covenant with many for one week. BUt in the middle of the week he shall bring an end to sacrifice and offerings.  7+62=69+1+70 weeks....


One 'week' of years... Hmmmmm

Jesus begins his ministry  by saying ;

Mark 1:14-15
14   Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,
15   And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
(KJV)

 Do you know of any prophecy other than Dan's that  is or could be construed as a 'clock'?  I dont.  So I'll contend Jesus is referring to Dan 9, while granting he does not say so explicitly.
Shorlty after he is baptized and John calls him the' Lamb of God'

In the next three and a half years Jesus gains his following ,performs miracles and enters Jerusalem as King.
Then the Cross and Resurrection.
Again  bowing as I do the the authority of the NT and noting the writer's  understanding of the ancient Scriptures  we find an interesting message:

Heb 9:26
26   For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
(KJV)


So far we have

'the time is fulfilled'

the baptism of our Lord

the inagural utterence of the greatest of NT truths;'Behold the Lamb of God'

the 'Prince of Peace' confirming the New covenant with his own blood and as confirmed by H9;26 in the very act of his
Sacrifice,  rendering the old world of daily sacefices obselete.

Does any of this passage seem familiar?


Mark 14:24
24   And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many.
(KJV)


He uses the same term we see in ,,,Dan 9 while he is explicitly announcing,,, the New Testament which is the same as New Covenant.

Do you think there is a correlation between his public work of 3 1/2 years and the settling of the terms,(confirmation by blood) of the Covenant?

Futurists make a great deal of Jesus  coming to the 'lost sheep of Israel'.  Far too many times they take it upon themselves to add 'only'  to M15;24 even though some of his earlist converts were gentiles. But these same folks forget  that  it takes a while ,for the majority of the Apsotles evengelism to move beyong he Nation.

About the time of Stephen's martyrdom,,, or about seven years from the time Jesus was baptized.

Dont forget, the last of the OT Prophets under the influence of the Holy Spirit  introduces Jesus ,not as a temporal king, not as Messiah, but the 'Lamb of God'.
Only this office holder  is equipped to meet the requirements of Dan 9;27, making forever obselete the blood os sheep and goats.

Take care

Hitch

[By your standard the temple is still standing in Jerusalem, which is now righteous forever]

'By the way, knock off the I'm smarter than stupid you tone. Let the rest of those reading these posts be the judge of who's smart or dumb. By your standard the temple is still standing in Jerusalem, which is now righteous forever, but somehow I think God has a higher standard of righteousness than Jerusalem has now obtained. "

LOL It this kind of trash thas so funny Paul, By your standard the temple is still standing in Jerusalem, which is now righteous forever idiotic is a better word, (if I wanted to be harsh I would claim you are purposefully misrepresenting } I cant even imagine how you dream it up. But as they say garbage in garbage out.

Now have you found that NT support for you GAPS yet?

H

OH Man you all type faster than me or something......so why do you need a NT support Hitch ? The prophetic books of the old testment is what the Nt is based on. Its the foundations of why Jesus is who he is and why he done what he done and will do what he is going to do.
Sounds like a song is coming on.........lol,

H Man you all type faster than me or something......so why do you need a NT support Hitch ?

Im astonished any believer  could ask that question.

I'll cite two  short reasons, and one example;

1.
It saves a lot of time. All kinds of screwy notions are taught and believed by folks all over the world,based on the OT(and NT for that matter). If I inquire  of this or that based on the Prophets  the screwyer the notion the more easily it is show to be what it is by citation of the Apostolic interpretation(s)  which are of course found only in the NT.

2.

Luke 24:44-45
44   And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
45   Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
(KJV)

Hence:
1 Cor 12:28
28   And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
(KJV)
'First apostles'... and we have the cannonized writtings they sent our way, and they learned  from the Master himself. Ignore  them at your peril.


Example:

Joel 2:28-31
28   And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
29   And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.
30   And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.
31   The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.
(KJV)

 Now if you're  a lot more intuned to God than me, a matter I sincerely do not doubt, you can see in this text the reality of speaking in unknown tongues with a little fire over the heads of the speakers,,, right? For myself, I will rely on the interpretive ministries granted as 'gifts' to the church. That way I know that when Paul speaks of a 'fleshy' heart that Ezekiel was talking about what Christ would accomplish etc.

take care

Hitch

Eph 1:20  Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
Eph 1:21  Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
Eph 1:22  And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,
Eph 1:23  Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.


Rom 5:17  For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.


Joh 12:14  And Jesus, when he had found a young ass, sat thereon; as it is written,
Joh 12:15  Fear not, daughter of Sion: behold, thy King cometh, sitting on an ass's colt.

Heb 12:22  But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23  To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Heb 12:24  And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

1Co 15:54  So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
1Co 15:55  O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
1Co 15:56  The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
1Co 15:57  But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

All that and some folks would rather have Jesus stuck in a room in Jerusalem,,of all places...

H

[Furthermore, the new heaven and new earth, are created after the first heaven and first earth pass away (Rev 21:2)]

LOL@Petro

Gee Petro is there some Aposotle  who specifically names the church as the 'holy nation',,,ie the one that bears the fruit?

It such a crack up." No kingdom with out the King",,,, and these same folks tell us satan is the ruler of this world. Hmmm geee is satan bodily present? If thats the requirement and satan can rule without bodily presnece  that make it more powerful than Christ, who acoring to some cany be ruling here because he is in heaven,,,

Well I like having 'friends' in high places.


Furthermore, the new heaven and new earth, are created after the first heaven and first earth pass away (Rev 21:2)


Heb 9:26
26   For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
(KJV)


Petro wont get it   but Jesus made of point of talking about new wine and lold wine skins. The old world of continuous bloody sacrifices is not fit for those redeemed by the Blood of the Lamb. Now because of  that Sacrfice we are new creations in Christ.

'Why ,,it cant be there is still sin you fool,',,We are ,by design, sent to live here through the historical process, and important part of the Wheat and Tares parable.  The NEW HEAVENS&EARTH  are not places. They are significant of our new position of redemption, and our adoption into the royal house, in this life. There is no sin,death, child birth, etc in eternity,yet these are mentioned  in reference to the NH&E.
Of course many wont agree Petro certainly wont but from those I'd like to hear  just what 'world' ended and is described in Hebrews.


Take care

Hitch

   Hitch,

  Heres proof God stopped the clock between the 69th and 70th week of Daniel:

  1. Jerusalem hasn't Finished the transgression!
  2. Jerusalem hasn't Made an end to sins!
  3. Jerusalem hasn't Made reconciliation for iniquity!
  4. Jerusalem hasn't brought in everlasting righteousness!
  5. Jerusalem hasn't Sealed up the vision and prophecy!
  6. Jerusalem hasn't Anointed the most Holy!

   There you are Hitch, six good reasons that prove the 70th week have not been fulfilled.

Yawn,,,,  Find some Apostolic support for your gap. Any NT author will suffice. In the mean I will quote Jesus Christ 'the time is fulfilled'.

Then you neeed to produce some standard  so you can stop me from placing gaps whereever I choose. In the mean I'l accept your 'proof' as soon as you get a Apostle to confirm it.

Pardon me if I dont hold my breath waiting.

Take care

Paul

[Can God add revelation to clarify a previous statement that Jesus made?]

Here we have two ressurrections. They cannot be the same ressurrection and certainly do not have to take place at the same time. The character of each is unique.

 No the character of the resurrection is the same. it is physical. The character of the judgements rendered is different

One concerns the righteous the other the evil. We know from later teaching that the good people receive glorified bodies but the evil are not raised incorruptable. Paul admits to order in ressurrection: Christ the firstfruits, then they that are His (what about the damned?)at His coming, then follows the end. So according to this verse the last day is before the very end. Remember Paul is showing us a mystery not previously known.
I could go on and on but I think I bored you enough.

asaph

Actually you have proven the point. You had no choice but to leave what Jesus actually said, and in the plainest of terms, and cite teachiings added decades later.

Can God add revelation to clarify a previous statement that Jesus made? First of all this implies that Christ was a poor speaker and teacher, unable or umwilling to teach his own followers what he really meant.  So  his basic honesty is called into account since he told the disciples that :


Matt 13:11
11   He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.(sometimes 'mystery' is just a figure of speech)
(KJV)

So that leads to another question. What should we add to the Lord's prayer? Or the Sermon on the Mount?

If nothing should be added then why do we consider these  complete? What standard are we to use to descide which of our Lord's own teachings was careless and incomplete,,needing editing two thousand years later?

Also we should question Jesus care and concern for those he was speaking to. If you or I were to make an important staement that prople would  very likely base and even pay their lives to uphold, and we had intentionally left out some important clause or definition, wouldny we be liable before God?

For your objection to have legs here you need to show why the original audience would  have reason to know 'last day'  should not be taken at face value, since  the text gives no basis for suc a claim. And you need to do so six times.

But what is really important here is that the explanation is being heard from our lord's own lips. Thats what he is doing in John six. Now the Book may not have been finally edited in Paul's time but I have no doubt any and all colleted quoted from Jesus  were reveared as what they were;The very Word of God. So  when Pauls reads what would become John six do you think he would be careful to conform or do you think he would correct Jesus ' errors?

Take care

Hitch

[STOP THE CLOCK]

    Hitch,

    God can also STOP THE CLOCK which he did after  Palm Sunday 32 a.d. The 70th week has not begun yet just as Jerusalem has not entered into the 70th week yet.

    You'll know when the 70th week is complete because Jerusalem will be perfect, Sinless, Righteous forever. As long as buses are blown up in Jerusalem the 70th week has not been fulfilled.

    Yes, its that simple!                  

p.s. nice DODGE of an answer, I'm not fun to debate am I?

      The truth is tough to beat!                  Paul2

Yawn,,, Proved a NT Scripture defining and describing this 'clock'.


Then you will need to show why ,if you can place a gap between 69&70 why I cant place gaps  anywhere I want as well. But first  you're basing your claim here that God can 'stop the clock'  and you must support that from Scripture. Adn if I recall you like to ask for 'details'  So I'll do the same .Please provied the details  the Aposotle you will be quoting provided regarding this 'clock'.

But then if all that trash is true and Israel is the key,,, well honey  its been a long time since 1948, or 1967....

PERF!

H

[24: Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.]

   Hitch,

   You seem to love laughing at others, while acting superior to us perhaps you'd like to demonstrate how smart you are for us all.

    This should be easy for a scholar like yourself.

    Below this is a passage from Daniel chapter 9:24

 24: Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

    Perhaps you'd like to explain to us dummies when exactly did JERUSALEM, the Holy city to which this prophecy applies, fulfill the things required for the prophecy to be fulfilled?

     When did Jerusalem :

 1. Finish the transgression?
 2. Make an end of sins?
 3. Make reconciliation for iniquity?
 4. Bring in everlasting righteousness?
 5. Seal up the vision and prophecy?
 6. Anoint the most Holy?

    Please tell us when these things occured, and be specific.
You have stated before that Daniel's 70th week is complete and finished and history.

   Heres my answers to the questions above:

  1. Jerusalem hasn't Finished the transgression!
  2. Jerusalem hasn't Made an end to sins!
  3. Jerusalem hasn't Made reconciliation for iniquity!
  4. Jerusalem hasn't brought in everlasting righteousness!
  5. Jerusalem hasn't Sealed up the vision and prophecy!
  6. Jerusalem hasn't Anointed the most Holy!

     God does not lie. If Jerusalem has not completed all of the above, the 70 weeks of Daniel are not fulfilled yet. To honestly believe that Jerusalem has completed the prophecy is laughable although not funny.

    Nobody sins in Jerusalem? You see everlasting righteousness in Jerusalem do you? You can't just pick and choose parts of a prophecy. It is either totally fulfilled or it is not totally fulfilled. I would like to see the dates when each of the six things listed were fulfilled.

   Its easy to mock others but much harder to prove them wrong. The news bears witness to the FACT that Jerusalem has not fulfilled this prophecy as of now.

   O.k. Hitch, show us all how stupid we are, give us the answers to my six questions from the prophecy.

   If Daniel's 70th week took place right after the 69th week, Jerusalem should have fulfilled all six things by 40 a.d.

   If history serves me well I can recall James was killed in Jerusalem in 62 a.d. Somehow that doesn't seem to fit the six things listed in the prophecy does it? If Jerusalem had made an end of sin, how could James be martyred there?

   Then again if Jerusalem had brought in everlasting righteousness why does the news show suicide bombings in the city? How long is everlasting righteousness? What happened to it? Did God lie? Or by some strange chance might you be wrong? I doubt you'll admit your wrong, you'd rather discredit God than discredit Hitch.

 Well there you have it, six simple questions: for us dummies the answers are simple:

  1. Jerusalem hasn't Finished the transgression!
  2. Jerusalem hasn't Made an end to sins!
  3. Jerusalem hasn't Made reconciliation for iniquity!
  4. Jerusalem hasn't brought in everlasting righteousness!
  5. Jerusalem hasn't Sealed up the vision and prophecy!
  6. Jerusalem hasn't Anointed the most Holy!

  Now you show us your answers in detail please.

  LOL! good luck!                          Paul2

God does not lie. If Jerusalem has not completed all of the above, the 70 weeks of Daniel are not fulfilled yet.

So whan he says 'SEVENTY WEEKS'  (and gives  reason to uderstand these are 'weeks of years' or  'seven sevens') He doesn t lie. Niether does he make mistakes.

Your details are not hard Paul, and I will answer directly as soon as you reconcile  your own statement above  God does not lie and the begining of the passage you brought up;

Dan 9:24
24   Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people
(KJV)

He can count too.

Take care

Hitch

[S A L U T E !]

Adn how do you fit this in with John 6;39?

Hi Hitch,
This is Keith. Long time no talk. The question I have always asked concerning this verse is: The last day of what? Is it the very last day that there will ever be? Is it the last day of an era? Jesus had a lot of other things to add to His very simple statement in John 6:39 that forces me to define the last day as something other than the very last day of all time. This to me makes sense of the other scriptures that otherwise "to me" make little sense. Perhaps you can enlighten me as to how you tie these verses together. I mean this seriously. I am not claiming I know it all. Your view point interests me.
By the way, my youngest son is now at Westpoint! Never thought it could happen to a poor old custodian/ex auto parts salesman.

asaph

S A L U  T E ! I expect you'll be telling us how well he is doing as the days pass.

Well K the first place to look is the text.  Since I dont need it to be the 'last day' of any certain era, (church age perhaps? find that one in the Scriptures,,) a straightforward reading is all that is needed. The complications only come when something written AFTER this word from our Lord's own lips  was first heard, is interjected into the time line.

As for the term,  half the uses of this term  are found in this chapter. Seven of eight  uses are found in John's book. But I wonder,,, do you allow that 'raise up' means anything other than resurrection?  Back to work,, In 7;37 'last day' is qualified with 'of the feast'. This tells us two things,  at least in  chapter seven a literal understanding is required.  We also can note that when neccessary, as in your question "last day of what? , when a qualifier is need it is provided.

Nehemiah 8;18 is the only OT usage. A cursory look will reveal ,interestingly enough, that the 'last day' is in this case positively literal, and is also qualified  as the last day of a feast.

This leaves six uses in John. Each is directly related to the resurrection. Five are spoken by our Lord  personally . One is spoken to our Lord. Seems that a plain straight forward 'literal' understanding is demanded by the text,  there being no  qualifications  which our Lord was most able to provide,  so there is no reason to adjust the meaning unless  later writtings are given greater wieght and used to set the context from back to front. Does the Resurrection account make sense without the Cross?

In contrast we have our Lord's own previosly spoken words regarding the resurrection.


John 5:24-29
24   Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. (a present reality)
25   Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.


 So folks have gotten  pretty wierd notions up to make this work. I reckon is pretty simple.  Jesus is speaking of 'spiritually dead' and some even at that time were being raise dup this was through the born-again process. also John uses this term in his letters to describe the bretheren.

26   For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
27   And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
28   Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, (future reality)
29   And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
(KJV)

V28 is a different story. Christ has just warned the he alone is the ultimate Judge. To us this is obvious,to them it was brand new and astonishing news. He declares that 'all who are in the graves' shall hear his voice. Again this a vastly different from  v25. In this case the evil and the good hear the call to bodily resurrection. It takes some  advanced gymnastics to  fit any time lapse into v 29 at all much less 1,000 years. (or 1007 as some do). .

This is what sets the context for his speach on the resurrection in chapter six. Not whatever Paul says decades later. Not what we read in the Apocalypse which doesnt exist at this time. Those things must conform to what our Lord has spoken, not the other way around.

So here is the challenge;

Find a reason to not place a face value (literal) understanding at 'last day' in chapter six the very same way you do use a literal understanding of 'raise up', useing something which could affect the context, meaning something which came  before this was spoken. That leaves the entire OT.

I'l wait to see if you find anything.

Take care

Hitch