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Hi Dan

Thanks for changing the wording on your point.  I shall not respond at this time for I just wrote for your consideration when I understand the kingdom came.  If you didn't get it let me know.

Hi Dan

I'm computer ignorant.  You suggest I do a check on the OP.  What is an OP?  Again, I did not put the yellow faces on my last post either.

Hi Dan

I didn't put those yellow faces on my last post either -----duval

Hi Dan

While it is call "church" in our English more often than any other word thats NOT all the facts.  Paul said "churches of Christ" in Rom.1616.  Again I ask since I didn't get an answer the first time, If they are "churches of Christ" in the plural  WHAT would they be in the singular??:"

Or, how about "church of God" in Acts 20:28??  Need I go on?

Hi Dan

Jesus lived and died under the OT law being the only ONE to keep it perfectly. The 4 gospel accounts (not 4 gospels) for there is but one gospel were (as it were for illustration purposes sake) the constitution for His kingdom which would come into existence shortly ( and did on the 1st Pentecost following His resiurrection ).  Jesus in the gospel accounts would saiy "ye have heard it said----"   "BUT I say unto you----." 

Dan I know what you believe about this and already know what you will say about it but BRING IT ON FOR THE Word of God I know is "quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart" Heb.4:12

God bless,
duval

hI Dan

I didn't get your point, can you come at it another way?

duval

Hello Dan

Peter said "some" of Pauls writings are "hard" to be understood, NOT ALL!  Its uninspired man going around preaching about "kingdom saints" and "grace saints" etc; etc, terms never used in God's holy word that causes division and atheists to laugh.

I say the "unlearned". "unstable", who "twist" or "wrest" s cripture to their own "destruction" are those who preach such things as "kingdom saints" as opposed to "grace saints", etccccccc.  Further, can you please tell me when and where Paul changed from a "kingdom" to a "grace" saint? 

Yes, the body of Christ definitely has a covenant.

duval

Hi Dan

No the little yellow face IS NOT mine.  I don't know how to  transfer it to my posts.  Only think I can think of is that about that time I dropped my mouse and lots of things got muddled on the screen so maybe by accident it appeared. All I know!

What I do know is that John 14,15 and 16 spoken only for the Apostles and that John 17 is realliy the Lord's prayer.  Did I leave out chapter 13?, yes, I should have included it above.

God bless you- - - duval

Hi nChrist

True, you've come up with some answers and some had scriptures attatched but none gave truth to the subject discussed.  I DO assure you I give attention to your posts as all others.  Further, while an old man I yet retain a clear understanding of what my Lord, Jesus the Christ and His apostles taught on the subject.

I shall now repeat the questions I asked you which for some reason you refused to give answer to:
QUESTION:  Was Holy Spirit baptism a promise or command?   MY answer is: promise!

QUESTION:  Was water baptism a promise  or command?  MY answer is:  command!

In view of what you said in your last post what our beloved Peter said is most appropriate now:  "But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts:  and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:"  I Pet.3:15.
God bless you in your search, duval


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Hello Dan

Yes indeed I do believe Jn.20:23,  and I do with ALL my heart!, and yes indeed I do drink Kool=Aid, and my favorite flavar is cherry?  More questions?

All this stuffing about differeces between a "kingdom saint" and a "grace saint" is just that, false teaching stuffing.  When Paul was told to be baptized in Acts 22:16 was he responding as a kingdom or grace saint?  No wonder the atheists laugh!!!

God bless,
duval

Hi nChrist

Thanks for being so blunt, but it did knot add a whit to the truth of the subject.  I agree the "indwelling of the Spirit" is to the end of time but NO WHERE  in your Bible or mine does inspiration say that the "indwelling of the Spirit" and the "baptism of the Spirit" are the same.  Jesus said "search the scripture for in them ye think ye have life".  Its as needful for this subject as for any other.

QUESTION:  was the baptism of the Holy Spirit a promise or command?
QUESTION:  was water baptism a promise or command?

I appreciate bluntness and straightforwardness and do employ such when needed.  I trust I did not detect a spark of anger in your bluntness.  God is love---God bless, duval

Hi Mr Rogers

I believe everything is always in God's hands.  What would you suggest is the clearest, strongest scripture you have presented as Biblical proof that the baptism of the Holy Spirit is the "one" baptism and that it "saves"?

Thank you, and God bless,
duval