I wasn't familiar with a version that uses "begotten" in the second line.
May I ask where you got it?
Marv
I have it in the Creed of the Saints, which I got from a series of books called: "What Luther Says"
The only change from the creed mentioned is the (the Holy Christian Church) in Luther's day there may have been a reason for that.
While I was growing up attending church every Sunday until I was 16, we recited a Creed, that I have planted in my mind, to memory, which is not a bad thing, its all words from the Word and we said the same words "only begotten". We also recited the Lord's prayer every Sunday, though its design was a pattern in which to show us how to pray. It is the words of our Lord, and just sings, don't it.
But I'm no longer Methodist, it was stamped on my dog tags, but I'm not of that Church, but I belong to the body of our Lord Jesus Christ. Just not that denomination.
I believe man made creeds and doctrinal statements are dangerous and should be avoided, from Pilgrim.
I don't feel that way about the Creed of the Saints, but doctrinal statements? I'd have hear them or read them first. But what the Creed of the Saints says, well, I see no harm in it. Because it is the Word and is truth, just put in a format. Because I did not make it, it is making me, it is the very truth of God and not the invention of any man. Lyrics from a song I heard sung by Third day, which is a creed in song.
Luther said there were 6 things as the head of the family that should be taught in a simple way to his household. In other words these things should be taught at home. And I'm not Lutheran either.
If they are used in the sense of works or as the only means to salvation, or rituals, religious practices for the wrong reasons or as regulations or to seem holy and the love of the Lord is not in it, then there is a danger. If they are not yet committed to Jesus, does not mean they are bad seeds of the Word being planted in them. I'm a witness to them seeds planted up till I was 16, then the years of rebellion until I truly seen the light at age 43, fits the Proverb to a tee.
The 6 items Luther said to be taught at home:
1) The Creed of the Saints
2) The Lord's prayer
3) The Ten Commandments
4) The Sacrament of Holy Baptism
5) The office of the Keys and Confession
6) The Sacrament of the Alter
Martin Luther's words on Catechism:
Do not merely pass over the words of the catechism, observe them carefully and meditating on them prayerfully with an attentive heart. The catechism are summaries of Bible's teachings, the Catechism is an epitome and brief transcript of the entire Holy Scriptures. Stick to the fundamentals of the Bible, discuss not matters that have not yet been revealed. But simply stay with the Word of God, especially with the Catechism.
It is doctrine at it's best and a foundation for the youth and the new believer, in which they may grow in Christianity. Daily reciting of these truths will work to revelation in a new believer unto their understanding and knowledge of them. {Which will enlighten the eyes of their hearts to wards the passions and desires of our Lord Jesus Christ. gg}
As for the youth, it is grounds for which they will turn too in their days of old. {It is seed, it will grow and it is the Word of God, it will not come back void. gg}
Proverbs 22:6 train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.
It is God's will for us to teach our children about Jesus, why, he died on the cross for us, about the Father, and the Holy Ghost. If Jesus is in it and the goal of it, how can it be harmful, when explained about the importance of it coming from ones heart in seeking Him.
I would add to the things we must teach to our children, being empowered by the Spirit to do it.
Explaining the importance of staying in the Word, prayer, thanksgiving, giving, doing all things in love, to serve Him, explaining all the fruits of the Spirit, walking in the Spirit, about faith, God's love for us, about salvation through making Jesus one's Lord and Savior, about surrendering to Him our all, His Lordship and what that means. truly loving Jesus, with all our heart and what sin is.
The importance of having a relationship with Jesus, about renewing the mind, about bringing all things in to obedience to Christ. In away a child could understand. Whats not the truth in the creed, is it not of the Word of God?
Pilgrims replies & quotes from Mark 7
Mar 7:1 Then came together unto him the Pharisees, and certain of the scribes, which came from Jerusalem. 2 And when they saw some of his disciples eat bread with defiled, that is to say, with unwashed, hands, they found fault. 3 For the Pharisees, and all the Jews, except they wash their hands oft, eat not, holding the tradition of the elders. 4 And when they come from the market, except they wash, they eat not. And many other things there be, which they have received to hold, as the washing of cups, and pots, brasen vessels, and of tables. 5 Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands? 6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. 7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. 8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. 9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
Pilgrim
LAB -NIV - commentary on Mark 1 - 9
V1} Jesus scolded them for keeping the law and traditions in order to look holy instead of to honor God.
V3 & 4} Jewish rituals, the Pharisees thought these ceremonies cleansed them from anything they may consider unclean. Jesus said they were wrong in their thinking they were acceptable to God just because they were clean on the outside.
V6 & 7} Hypocrisy is pertending to be something you are not and have no intention of being. Jesus called the Pharisees hypocrites because they worshiped God for the wrong reasons, their worship was not motivated by love, but by a desire to attain profit, to appear holy, and to increase their status. we become hypocrites when we (1) pay more attention to reputation than to character, (2) carefully follow certain religious practices practices while allowing our hearts to remain distant from God, and (3) emphasize our virtues but others' sins.
V8 & 9} The Pharisees added hundreds of their own petty rules and regulations to God's holy laws, and then they tried to force people to follow these rules. These men claimed to know God's will in every detail of life. there are still religious leaders today who add rules and regulations to God's Word, causing much confussion among believers. It is idolatry to claim that your interpretation of God's Word is as important as God's Word itself. It is especially dangerous to set up unbiblical standards for others to follow. Instead look to Christ for guidance about your behavior, and let Him lead others in the details of their lives. {LAB-NIV}
May the Lord bless thee and keep thee
Only always for Jesus
in the love of a brother
ggamble
