A touchy subject

[2nd Timothy]

I suppose you could say sin is a disease.. we've all got it, and Jesus is the cure.

Agreed 100%

[Jemidon2004]

Not a problem Tom, if you are willing to make the trip out to SC to listen to me preach Until then i reckon you'll have to settle for my sermon notes I'm sorry your grandmother sees it that way. She is right, it is a disease, and it has made humans wretched vile creatures. Children of Darkness as Christ called us. But those who are born-again are children of God now. For seieing as we have obtained an inheritance whereby we might recieve the spirit of adoption and cry Abba, Father." Then those who are truely born again will not want to do abominable things in God's eyes. Hey 2 Tim...i feel ya man. I can't go in and preach like I would like, or discuss religious topics in class without the class all rallying against me because they are various denoms and religions. The sad thing is, we had a fight today and the victor was applaused when he was escorted to the office for his suspension. How sad is that. Speak of a backwards world...welcome to my world friend. You have it made bro. I reckon we're all put where God wants us and I'm making the most of it. Ya'll be good now...cant wait to read more of the posts on this site. God Bless!

IN His Service,
Joshua

[felix102]

Homosexuality is a sin, and therefore God does not approve of it.  Homosexuality is caused from willingness to embrace the said sin.  While it is true that some are more sussepteble (sp) to homosexuality, some are also more susseptable (again please excuse my horrific spelling) to anger, that alone however, does not justify actions taken in anger.  There is no "gay gene" or biological reason for homosexuality, it is a choice we all must come to a conclusion about.

Glory to the Living God  

Amen

Shemaya, this sheds some light on the error in thinking homosexuality is a disease, birth defect, etc. and that people cant help it that they are homosexual. People are susceptible to certain sins when they are born. That is the difference. It is no excuse to accept the sin.
That would be like saying fornication is ok because when people are born they will eventually be susceptible to that.

http://forums.christiansunite.com/index.php?board=22;action=display;threadid=4425 talks about this in more detail.

When your grandma says she thinks it's a disease I think she has missed this very concept. If that was the case then all sins would be a disease. Sin is not biological.

[Soldier4Christ]

A concept of the word disease.

When I was a child the word disease and cancer were used in an anomalous fashion. (i.e. Sin is a cancer that is eating away at the fibre of our country.) In this same manner "disease" was used to signify something that was not good and was spreading rampantly throughout our society. It had nothing to do with references to a disease that people could not help getting.

Some people understood this concept others it confused as they didn't understand it was being used in this manner and when a statement of this nature came from someone they respected (doctor, pastor, parent, etc.) they took it at face value and believed it.

Just as I am seeing this confusion happening even in this thread.

The question I have is which use of the word "disease" is Shemayas grandmother using?

[nChrist]

2nd Timothy,

It's a sick and evil world that we live in, and it's getting worse by the minute. Many public schools have already banned Christmas Carols and plays. A nativity scene would be out of the question. It's also interesting to note that any reference to God or Christ is being removed from all books used in public schools. It's not Thanksgiving, rather a feast day. The examples go on and on.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Psalms 104:34  My meditation of him shall be sweet: I will be glad in the LORD.

[felix102]

A concept of the word disease.

When I was a child the word disease and cancer were used in an anomalous fashion. (i.e. Sin is a cancer that is eating away at the fibre of our country.) In this same manner "disease" was used to signify something that was not good and was spreading rampantly throughout our society. It had nothing to do with references to a disease that people could not help getting.

Some people understood this concept others it confused as they didn't understand it was being used in this manner and when a statement of this nature came from someone they respected (doctor, pastor, parent, etc.) they took it at face value and believed it.

Just as I am seeing this confusion happening even in this thread.

The question I have is which use of the word "disease" is Shemayas grandmother using?

I'm pretty sure that Shemaya's grandma was using the latter defintion: people cannot help being homosexual as people cannot help but have sickle-celled anemia (inherited diesease). But it is also valid to describe sin as a disease affecting society. This isnt wrong. But I was just refering to the other one. Sin is a disease and Jesus is the cure...I whole heartedly agree with.

It's pretty clear that we can assume that Shemaya's grandma would assume the latter. Why else would she say "Well, homosexuality is JUST a disease (in other words, people can't help it!!)" Otherwise Shemaya wouldn't be introducing "but my grandma said...." in contradiction to Homosexuality is a sin. It clear that this is the implication but I'll let Shemaya verify if this is correct...

[felix102]

I hope people do not confuse what I said here

When your grandma says she thinks it's a disease I think she has missed this very concept. If that was the case then all sins would be a disease. Sin is not biological.

This is in context of what Shemaya's Grandma was saying and not

Quote from: Bern on December 07, 2004, 06:13:01 PM
I suppose you could say sin is a disease.. we've all got it, and Jesus is the cure.
 
 

Agreed 100%

I am talking about the fact that Homosexuality is a sin just like any other sin. Murder, adultery, stealing, and homosexuality are all sins. If you say homosexuality is a biological disease then that would be like saying murder, adultery and stealing are biological diseases.

[Jemidon2004]

lol...iwas getting ready to reply to what you'd just posted felix...glad you cleared it up for me, now i don't really have anything to post until something else comes up.

Joshua

[ollie]

God does not approve of ANY sin, and homosexuality is a sin.

Romans 1:27   And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Let he among you who is without sin cast the first stone

Quoting God's word on what He says is unseemly and error is not casting stones.

ollie

[gabriel]

I suppose you could say sin is a disease.. we've all got it, and Jesus is the cure.
[I agree./quote]

[gabriel]

2nd Timothy,

It's a sick and evil world that we live in, and it's getting worse by the minute. Many public schools have already banned Christmas Carols and plays. A nativity scene would be out of the question. It's also interesting to note that any reference to God or Christ is being removed from all books used in public schools. It's not Thanksgiving, rather a feast day. The examples go on and on.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Psalms 104:34  My meditation of him shall be sweet: I will be glad in the LORD.

Let us remind ourselves about what the Christmas message is about.  It's about a baby (the most important baby of all) born in a stable because there was no room at the inn.  No Christmas dinner for Mary and Joseph!

[ollie]

2nd Timothy,

It's a sick and evil world that we live in, and it's getting worse by the minute. Many public schools have already banned Christmas Carols and plays. A nativity scene would be out of the question. It's also interesting to note that any reference to God or Christ is being removed from all books used in public schools. It's not Thanksgiving, rather a feast day. The examples go on and on.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Psalms 104:34  My meditation of him shall be sweet: I will be glad in the LORD.

Let us remind ourselves about what the Christmas message is about.  It's about a baby (the most important baby of all) born in a stable because there was no room at the inn.  No Christmas dinner for Mary and Joseph!

Where in the Bible is it stated that the narrative telling of the events surrounding Christ's flesh birth is "the Christmas message"? Where is man told to remember and celebrate His birth? What does Christ and later through Paul say to be remembered till He comes?

My apologies for continuing off topic.

ollie

[cris]

I'm not so sure we shouldn't celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ.  If His birth wasn't important it wouldn't be remembered in the bible.  This celebration has everything to do with HOW we celebrate it.

As I was reading all the posts I realized the importance of remembering His birth.  God knew there would be no room in the Inn.  He knew Jesus would be placed in a manger.  Is there some significance to this?  I think so.  A manger is a feeding dish for animals.  At the Last Supper He told His disciples to eat and drink of His body and blood.  No, I'm not saying we're animals.  He who has an ear!

On sin and disease-------the bible says disease is caused by original sin, Gen. 3:16-19, man's sin, 2Kings 5:27, 2 Chron. 21:12-19, Satan's afflictions Job 2:7, Luke 13:16 and God's sovereign will, John 9:1-3 and 2Cor. 12:7-10.  Read Psalm 51, especially 5 through 9.

IMO I believe we can reap what our ancestors sowed, at least the consequences thereof.  We just have to turn all of this over to Jesus---------He can and will deliver.  Praise You Lord God for your saving grace.

I'm so very glad You were born, Jesus!!!  Amen.



 

   

[Shylynne]

A Pastoral Response to the Jury’s Verdict  (Excellent!)

"What has Rev. Creech done? As a  pastor, he presided over a "covenanting service" for two lesbians... After his acquittal, Rev. Creech explained that he was simply serving the spiritual needs of two female church members. That sounds so warm and fuzzy and pastoral, who could deny such high motives? But it also sounds like the situation surrounding the recent visit to a nearby city of a medium and best-selling author who claims to talk to dead people. One person who attended his performance started out skeptical, but now does not know if he is a scam artist or for real. This person concluded that his message "affirms what I want to believe and that’s sometimes all that we need."  Thanks to Rev. Jimmy Creech and five of my fellow clergy, truth is now reduced to what human beings want to believe. You want your poodle baptized? Don’t worry about what the Bible says, all that matters is what you want to believe. Want to marry your mailbox? Don’t worry about the tradition of the past 2,000 years of Church practice. If you want to believe it, we want you to believe it. Want to worship Elvis or Marilyn Manson? If you want it, we’ll bless it.

Yet, throughout the history of the church, matters of faith have never been left solely to the subjective whims and caprice of individuals. The church has historically employed four sources of authority in matters of faith: scripture, tradition, experience, and reason. Scripture is our primary source and criterion for Christian doctrine. Scripture, in fact, has primacy in theological reflection. Primacy is defined as "first in time, order, rank, etc.; supremacy." The Church’s historical tradition, personal and corporate experience, and reason are properly used to interpret the Bible, but Rev. Creech and his allies have improperly used personal and corporate (albeit on a small scale) experience and human reason to overrule scripture because they do not like or believe what it says about homosexuality. They claim to have a special, secret knowledge of the will of God that the rest of us feeble, unenlightened, unwashed, misguided souls can never have if we insist upon sticking to the plain meaning of Holy Scripture. They exalt reason over scripture, citing alleged scientific evidence which sounds rather reminiscent of the alleged scientific evidence developed by The Tobacco Institute that cigarette smoking does not cause lung cancer or heart disease. In their own interpretive dance, they appeal to arcane scholarly interpretations of biblical prescriptions and proscriptions that claim the "real" meaning of the ancient biblical languages do not mean what centuries of learned scholars and diverse bodies of translators have determined these passages mean. They and those others who believe that God is continuing to reveal truths not contained in or inconsistent with the truth revealed in the Bible have exchanged their authority as ministers of The  Church for the false robes of priests and priestesses of gnosticism. Gnosticism was heresy in the history of the Early Church. It remains heresy."
amen!

excerpt - http://www.confessingumc.org/sermon_dicken.html

[nChrist]

Shylynne Said:

They and those others who believe that God is continuing to reveal truths not contained in or inconsistent with the truth revealed in the Bible have exchanged their authority as ministers of The  Church for the false robes of priests and priestesses of gnosticism. Gnosticism was heresy in the history of the Early Church. It remains heresy."
amen!

Shylynne,

Sister, thanks for sharing this with us. I look around today with absolute shock about what is happening in so many so-called churches and ministries. If they are churches and ministries, they belong to the devil, not Christ. Most older Christians would have never dreamed some of the things happening today. What bothers me the most is some who flaunt their open and continued wallowing in sin and darkness, all the while professing Jesus. In my opinion, this is slapping our Lord and Saviour in the face with evil, and they never knew Jesus, nor does JESUS know them.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Psalms 121:1  I will lift up mine eyes unto the hills, from whence cometh my help.