Why don't we call for the president to stop killing IRAQI babies?

[2nd Timothy]

Shouldn't we all be advocating for peace, rather than justifying war?

How do you propose advocating peace with folks who enjoy cutting off the heads of peacful individuals?

My prayers are with the young men and women who are fighting for peace this very evening.   May God grant them saftey and victory as they fight for our nation and Iraq's

Grace and Peace!

[thomas2004]

How do you propose advocating peace with folks who enjoy cutting off the heads of peacful individuals?

The same way the international community tries to advocate for peace with a president who enjoys invading sovreign nations.

I would however like to join you in your prayer for the brave men and women risking thier lives for their country.  May God watch over them.

[2nd Timothy]

How do you propose advocating peace with folks who enjoy cutting off the heads of peacful individuals?

The same way the international community tries to advocate for peace with a president who enjoys invading sovreign nations.

I don't think Veto's will mean too much to these types of people.      I would however love to see your evidence that the president enjoys invading nations.

Grace and Peace!

[Soldier4Christ]

Irregardless of what you may believe the governments real reason was/is for the war in Iraq anyone that is a Christian should be elated that a tyrant such as Saddam Hussein is no longer in a position to commit the atrocities that he did. He was a real threat to the security of world peace.

Some people think to have peace means to just lay down your weapons and not fight or that they can talk their way out of war.

FREEDOM IS NOT FREE

[thomas2004]

I was commenting on your use of the word "enjoying", as I hardly think that the individuals of whom you speak "enjoy" cutting heads off.

[Shylynne]

Jesus said: Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him. 1Jo 3:15
Murder is a condition of the heart. A man or woman fighting as a soldier, or accidently killing someone are not murdering,  unless there is hatred in the heart.
Can you say there is no one you hate?
The condition of our hearts is what will matter to God.

Can you honestly tell me that there aren't soldiers fighting in Iraq who don't have hate for the enemy in THEIR heart?

Quit trying to turn this into something it's not.  This about how OFTEN I've read people here condemn the killing of American babies but NOT condemn the killing of foreign babies.  A weak Christian cannot apply their beliefs equally across the world, but instead rely on the rhetorical trickery of Satan to weasle their way out of their condoning of evil.

hmmm...the responses of the men here were so well written I  need not add to them...other than ... It would seem you know little about God, past, present or future,  as is often the case in those who would presume to judge what God has ordained.
Take a peek at a Revelation from Gods Word: "And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war."  
The wars are not over yet, but thank God in the final battle good is once and for all  victor over evil!

[2nd Timothy]

I was commenting on your use of the word "enjoying", as I hardly think that the individuals of whom you speak "enjoy" cutting heads off.

Actually, I believe it was your word, and its one thing to invade an unconpliant defiant nation than it is to cut off the head of someone minding their own business.  

You are more diluded than I thought you were.

[thomas2004]

Tim,

Not to labour a point, but you certainly used the term "enjoy" before I did.  that is why I wrote my post.  I don't beleive that the Iraqi militants who are doing the decapitating enjoy it anymore than a U.S. marine enjoys killing an Iraqi civilian.  Also, I feel that this is where we need to be be clear.  Rightly or wrongly, the individuals fighting in Iraq are reacting in a manner that I'm sure you all would, if an Islamic fundamentalist nation invaded the U.S.  George W. made the enormous error of calling this fight a Crusade.  Now, that got huge media play all across the Arab world. Now, they are reacting to the invasion of their homeland by who they see as a Christian fundamentalist.  Unfortunately, when fundamentalism meets fundamentalism, very little good can come of it quickly.  I'm sure some of you hard-linners will jump at the opportunity to throw out your standard knee-jerk reactions, and suggest that I love terrorists.  I only hope others see just how silly such a claim is.  Pastor Roger kindly informed me that Freedom isn't free, a statement which I whole-heartedly applaud.  But I simply cannot buy the idea that this war somehow protects my freedom.
 
On another note, I would recomend that Darwinatridge take a look at any U.N. fact book before claiming that it elected not to go to war, because Iraq pays it "Billions of dollars".  This is utterly false.

[2nd Timothy]

Not to labour a point, but you certainly used the term "enjoy" before I did.

I stand corrected  

I don't beleive that the Iraqi militants who are doing the decapitating enjoy it anymore than a U.S. marine enjoys killing an Iraqi civilian.

I don't believe this to be true.   It takes pure hatred and cowardism to cut off the head of person who is bound and defensless.   U.S. marines did not advance one step into Iraq without fair warning....months of it!.   Whether you want to admit it or not, these two scenarios are very different.   I say shame on you for even trying to make that comparison.

Rightly or wrongly, the individuals fighting in Iraq are reacting in a manner that I'm sure you all would, if an Islamic fundamentalist nation invaded the U.S.

I certainly would not be kidnapping folks to cut their heads off.   Even in your hypothetical.....Would you?

But I simply cannot buy the idea that this war somehow protects my freedom.

I guess some people never will  

Grace and Peace!

[darwinatridge]

There are those that say that God had no hand in establishing America as a nation. I disagree. There are those that say that God had no hand in dealing with Germany. I disagree. There are those that say that God had no hand in establishing Israel as a nation again. I strongly disagree. And you are right. I have the right to disagree with you. After all this is America. Not Iraq where you could be beheaded for disagreeing. As for the UN maybe you should look at the record for yourself. The record is very clear. I will agree with you on one point. America did help establish the government that Hussein brutally ran for years. And for years America turned its back on the people of Iraq. But God never turned His. Again I ask. Which is worse, the one the does the brutalizing or the one that closes his eyes to the brutalizing?

[2nd Timothy]

I don't beleive that the Iraqi militants who are doing the decapitating enjoy it anymore than a U.S. marine enjoys killing an Iraqi civilian.

September 20th regarding CAIRO, EGYPT - A video posted Monday on a Web site showed the beheading of a man identified as American hostage Eugene Armstrong

A quote from terrorist who enjoy this activity!!!!!!


The militant on the video called President Bush "a dog" and addressed him, saying, "Now, you have people who love death just like you love life. Killing for the sake of God is their best wish, getting to your soldiers and allies are their happiest moments, and cutting the heads of the criminal infidels is implementing the orders of our lord."

He says they love it, and it is their happiest moment!

Note the contrast he makes between us and them.  ""people who love death just like you love life""!   I wont debate if you insist, but I will certainly agree to disagree.  

If you are interested in the source link I will provide via PM, as the whole text is rather graphic.  Image wise, the article is tame however.

Grace and Peace!

[Shammu]

Irregardless of what you may believe the governments real reason was/is for the war in Iraq anyone that is a Christian should be elated that a tyrant such as Saddam Hussein is no longer in a position to commit the atrocities that he did. He was a real threat to the security of world peace.

Some people think to have peace means to just lay down your weapons and not fight or that they can talk their way out of war.

FREEDOM IS NOT FREE

AMEN Pastor Roger, as anyone who has served in the mitilary knows.........
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[2nd Timothy]

Having posted quotes from terrorist in my previous post...lets return to yours.

I'm sure some of you hard-linners will jump at the opportunity to throw out your standard knee-jerk reactions, and suggest that I love terrorists.  I only hope others see just how silly such a claim is.

Again I will ask,

How do you propose advocating peace with folks who enjoy cutting off the heads of peacful individuals?


Answer the question this time if you can.   I am all ears!!!

Grace and Peace!

[Soldier4Christ]

Irregardless of what you may believe the governments real reason was/is for the war in Iraq anyone that is a Christian should be elated that a tyrant such as Saddam Hussein is no longer in a position to commit the atrocities that he did. He was a real threat to the security of world peace.

Some people think to have peace means to just lay down your weapons and not fight or that they can talk their way out of war.

FREEDOM IS NOT FREE

AMEN Pastor Roger, as anyone who has served in the mitilary knows.........
[size=10]FREEDOM IS NOT FREE[/size]

Amen, Dreamweaver. Even as Christians also know, Freedom Is Not Free. Jesus Christ paid for our freedom.

[Shammu]

Irregardless of what you may believe the governments real reason was/is for the war in Iraq anyone that is a Christian should be elated that a tyrant such as Saddam Hussein is no longer in a position to commit the atrocities that he did. He was a real threat to the security of world peace.

Some people think to have peace means to just lay down your weapons and not fight or that they can talk their way out of war.

FREEDOM IS NOT FREE

AMEN Pastor Roger, as anyone who has served in the mitilary knows.........
[size=10]FREEDOM IS NOT FREE[/size]

Amen, Dreamweaver. Even as Christians also know, Freedom Is Not Free. Jesus Christ paid for our freedom.

AMEN!! Pastor Roger...... Praise God for Jesus, to wash away our sins, with his sacrifice, upon the cross.