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« Reply #45 on: June 11, 2003, 04:29:09 PM »

No, and there is no point to churches having potlucks, but my Baptist Pastor still hold them, and I still go. Why is that? I mean, not very just praise going on, not much teaching, so why go? The comradery, the fun, the point, the point is to get comfortable with confrontation, the point is to meet other like minded people, and talk about your arts. The point of Tournaments is to have fun. They are CRAPPY tests of  skill, most of the time they only test how good you art at that Art. Karate tournaments don’t really test you fighting skill, they test your Karate Skill.

Yeah. I try to find the smaller Schools, most of the time they are always the better ones.  The best way to know if a school is good is by looking at there requirements for becoming a black belt. The school I’m at now, you have to break a 2 inch board, run a mile, and go thru a 20 hour survive test, that is 20 hours over night, in the national forest, with no shoes! These are things that aren’t impossible, (I mean, 2 inch boards and 1 mile runs, piece of cake) but at least you know they don’t hand out belts! TO many poor instructors. They just toss in a little mysticism, and they look good, and give a bad name to Christian Martial Artists.  Angry

If you haven’t seen a fight in about 10 year, how do you know they aren’t like the UFC? I live in Hicksville. There is no “shove” and “insult” they aren’t trying to provoke you, they just want to “wrasle” They what to brawl. And they DO resemble the UFC. YEEEEHAAW! Lol, Don’t get caught to lat at the local hang outs, or you are volunteered to fight. To be honest, it is fun, but still... Grin

The phone booth is just a funny mental image showing how unless some arts are in close-combat, don’t worry about it. It isn’t to funny when you have to explain.  Undecided
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« Reply #46 on: June 11, 2003, 05:36:24 PM »

I found this in another forum, and I though it fits with what we are talking about!

A big sign greets the customers.

It says "McDojo’s Over 99 Million Promotions Served!"

Instructor: Welcome to McDojo’s! How may I promote you today?

Customer: I would like a Black Belt, please. Super sized if possible… I've had a few too many hamburgers lately.

Instructor: Would you like a stripe with that?

Customer: Hmmm…sure…why not. I haven’t had one in a long time.

Instructor: What about a title?

Customer: Do you have any Grand Masters?

Instructor: Why yes…hundreds in fact. That's our most popular title!

Customer: Excellent. I will take one of those. How long will it take?

Intructor: Well, it used to take a lifetime to prepare one of these, and only the most devoted could afford the sacrifice. But now we have them pre-packaged in almost every style. A few old holdouts wouldn’t give us their style's recipe. But we have some guys working on that right now.

Customer: Well those three in the poster look good. I’ll take those, and don't skimp on the patches! I love pretty patches.

Instructor: Ok sir…Coming right up.

5 minutes and 20 customers later...

Instructor: Here you go sir.

Customer: Umm…I think there is a mistake. I paid for a red stripe. That’s a white one.

Instructor: The board of directors decided that the traditional red stripes reminds them too much of blood. They don’t want to project a bad image.

Customer: But red is the color you have used since you opened so many years ago! Everyone I knew grew up on red stripes! It’s traditional to have them with the Grand Master Combo.

Instructor: There’s nothing I can do sir…Oh sir, you owe us an extra fee for the stripe upgrade to white.

Customer: Okay that’s it. Let me speak to whoever runs this place.

Great Great Grand Master Pan Zie: I am the one you seek. What do you wish to know?

Customer: Why can’t I get a red strip with my black belt?

Great Great Grandmaster Pan Zie: Red was no longer cost effective for our traditional training paradigm.

Customer: So you're saying red costs too much to make?

Great Great Grandmaster Pan Zie: Your insights do you well, young Grasshopper. But you would do well to keep these secrets…secret.

Customer: But you charge more for the white even though it costs less to make!

Great Great Grandmaster Pan Zie: I am sorry…there are many more contracts and promotions I have to dispense.

Customer: That’s it! I've had enough of you guys. I am going to take my business to Burger Kwon!
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« Reply #47 on: June 12, 2003, 12:06:29 AM »

Lol!!! That was great. It's true, too. At the place I used to go, there actually wasn't a set promo schedule. He promoted you when he decided it was time. It could be three months or six weeks, depending on why he thought you were there. If you just wanted a black but you wanted to be the crummiest black in town, every testing you might get passed without much instruction on the floor. You want to be good, you might not test. (This explanation provided by one of the senior students, and I think he's right.)

Wow, Tibby! That's some testing! I've never heard of that before! Sounds pretty cool, though.
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« Reply #48 on: June 12, 2003, 12:47:21 AM »

I know. I have a few years, considering that I just started Jujitsu, but it will be CRAZY! I think it would be fun. First thing I’m going to do is make a pair of leaf shoes! And we have to do it alone, and in one night! I’ve never heard of it, either. But I like it! Great way to make sure your black belts give your school a good name!
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« Reply #49 on: June 12, 2003, 01:55:25 AM »

When you say potluck do you mean when everyone brings something to eat and people fellowship together?

The story is quite american indeed.  The color of belts varies from school to school style to style.  

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The school I’m at now, you have to break a 2 inch board, run a mile, and go thru a 20 hour survive test, that is 20 hours over night, in the national forest, with no shoes!

I'm not real sure what the point of the first two are as that should be a requirement from anything above the first two belts.  Two boards is REAL easy, it only takes a bit of focus and knowing your kicks or punches.  As for the outdoor thing whatever that's up to the teacher I suppose.  Th school I went to they used to run everynight on the street in bare feet, gravel, broken glass, the works.  I do believe that ended because too many sissies got upset and I suppose Master Kwon  had bills to pay so he folded.  Oh well not much you can do.

Well son if you're going to the "local" hangouts and fighting is expected perhaps you should think about where you are hanging out.  I never said people didn't fight, nor did I say I haven't "seen" a fight in ten years, quite the contrary people fight all the time.  If you really learned anything you wouldn't find yourself in a fight unless there was no other choice.  Why are you putting yourself in such dark places.  I really doubt you're doing too much witnessing while fighting with someone and since you know it's going to happen you're asking for trouble.  

As for tournaments they in now way "showcase" any art at all.  That's like saying the SAT's are a good show of education.  Not so it's a good test for seeing how well you take tests and thats about it.
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« Reply #50 on: June 12, 2003, 02:49:06 PM »

When you say potluck do you mean when everyone brings something to eat and people fellowship together?

The story is quite american indeed.  The color of belts varies from school to school style to style.  

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The school I’m at now, you have to break a 2 inch board, run a mile, and go thru a 20 hour survive test, that is 20 hours over night, in the national forest, with no shoes!

I'm not real sure what the point of the first two are as that should be a requirement from anything above the first two belts.  Two boards is REAL easy, it only takes a bit of focus and knowing your kicks or punches.  As for the outdoor thing whatever that's up to the teacher I suppose.  Th school I went to they used to run everynight on the street in bare feet, gravel, broken glass, the works.  I do believe that ended because too many sissies got upset and I suppose Master Kwon  had bills to pay so he folded.  Oh well not much you can do.

Do you commonly make up things when you can’t think of some twist of the truth that is negative to my posts? I said the same the 2 inch board and the mile run. They are easier, by most guys who "buy" their blakc belts can't do them. You complete missed you point, as usual. Run ever night of broken glass, uh? Right, bro.


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Well son if you're going to the "local" hangouts and fighting is expected perhaps you should think about where you are hanging out.  I never said people didn't fight, nor did I say I haven't "seen" a fight in ten years, quite the contrary people fight all the time.  If you really learned anything you wouldn't find yourself in a fight unless there was no other choice.  Why are you putting yourself in such dark places.  I really doubt you're doing too much witnessing while fighting with someone and since you know it's going to happen you're asking for trouble.

Most of them are Baptist who think they are witnessing to me. This is the bible belt, after all, everyone is Christian (yeah, right Roll Eyes). Not much witnessing to do, they are to busy getting drunk like the "good Baptist" they are to listen to reason. Aside from that, the bible told us to go to tall the world, not to let them come to us. THe world is in a dark place, my brother. No trouble, these guys are REAL men, they aren’t going to hold petty grudges, we fight, we are still friends, or we become friend after. Have what is take to fight gives them respect for you, meaning they might listen to you sometime, and come to a Wednesday night pray meeting over a Kegger, choose Jesus over Jack Daniels.

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As for tournaments they in now way "showcase" any art at all.  That's like saying the SAT's are a good show of education.  Not so it's a good test for seeing how well you take tests and thats about it.

Yes, exactly. Except I was told that about the ACT, but same difference, right? Glad to see you caught onto something I said Grin lol j/k
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« Reply #51 on: June 12, 2003, 07:12:58 PM »

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I am s-o-o-o-o-o glad you added that last part--I almost thought for a minute that you were holding Bible studies over keggers--HAHAHA! Now I would have questions about that kind of witnessing! Smiley

I gotta try that testing. I must get in on that action; that sounds great. What do you guys usually do during class?

Saved, I also think part of witnessing is unity amongst the saints. Love for the bretheren. So tell us more about what you do in TKD.
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« Reply #52 on: June 13, 2003, 01:38:13 AM »

I am s-o-o-o-o-o glad you added that last part--I almost thought for a minute that you were holding Bible studies over keggers--HAHAHA! Now I would have questions about that kind of witnessing! J

Simply, it is just a guy thing. It is more planting a seed then straight up witnessing. Most guys love the rough and tumble, and when you are humbled by a guy, and he gives the classic “Yeah, I know I beat you, but you are a good fighter” line, you are friends for life. Personally, I hate that line, I hate saying and hearing it! You might as well say “Your good, but I‘m a fighting God! Mahahaha! Bow before me!” lol But, guys around hear eat it up. They respect you after that, if you put up a fight, and you have opened a door. Many of the people here are born and raised from one particular denomination (no names), but they believe that once you are saved, you can never go to hell. You can be the worst sinner, and you still go to heaven. I never said this wasn‘t true, nor did I say it was, we are not hear to discusses that, the point is, they take this to mean they can live any kind of free life they want, do anything they please and still have this eternal Security. Logic and reasoning doesn’t work with these people, it is hard to tell them something they have believes for so many years is wrong, but they understand the physical. You aren’t going to impress them by showing how wise you are, you have to be a rough and tumble kind of guy for them to even listen to you. Once you get in the door, they will listen to your words. It isn’t about getting them to change denominations, it is about them becoming active in the church they are already a part of! You have to become all things to all men. We have to fix the problems in our own people if we want to show the world Jesus. When we have people out there acting like sinners and claiming Jesus, it isn’t good for us.

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I gotta try that testing. I must get in on that action; that sounds great. What do you guys usually do during class?

You mean just a regular class? Well, after we warm-up and stretch and bow in, we normally work on falling. This is a Jiujitsu class, so the first thing we learn is how to minimize the damage when we are thrown. Falling is a lot harder then it look, I hate learning them, so boring, but is has to be done for safety, right? Then, we normally work on Throws, take-downs, strikes, kicks, blocks etc. all in turn, and not always in that order, basically you fighting skills. Then, sometimes, we work on exercises for muscular and cardiovascular endurance. We hop over each others feet to learn to jump out of foot sweep and locks, we  hold our legs in a sumo pose,  just different exercise to increase the power of the muscular most use. Then, we spar, sometimes by Karate rules, but most of the time by Jujitsu rules or Judo rules. Then, we cool down and bow out. Then, we normally stay after for an hour and work on things that we think we need to work out that can’t be done at him, like throws and rolls.  I like this class, it isn’t like Karate, we line up and kick after kick after kick. We still do that here, but we ad in a lot of different stuff, makes it more fun, never a dull moment!

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Saved, I also think part of witnessing is unity amongst the saints. Love for the bretheren.

Well, you have to understand where he is coming from. Saved is clearly from a Fundamentalist Denomination, he believes Catholics are Pagans. In his eye, we are no more Saints then Jehovah’s Witness.

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So tell us more about what you do in TKD.

Yeah. Lets keep the theology in the theology board. I’m sure you had a few not Christians in your TKD school ,and I’m sure you had fun with them. We are all Martial Artist here, lets make the Entertainments boards a Neutral grounds.
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« Reply #53 on: June 13, 2003, 05:56:28 PM »

Yeah, I have a problem with that philosophy, too. The NT is replete with scriptures that say if we love Jesus we will keep his commandments. We have the parable about the wedding feast and the guest without wedding clothes being cast out. We have scriptures telling us without righteousness, no one will see the Lord.

But, enuff about that. Are you into any MA films?
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« Reply #54 on: June 13, 2003, 11:18:23 PM »

Yeah, I like them, in fact I’m staring in a movie with Jet Li in… Ok, maybe not Grin

I love them. Great movies. America Movies, Asian movies. Sure, the plots are painfully repetitive, and the Actors don’t act, but hey, the Fights are normally pretty good, and settings are interesting at least. I love action movies, I like Bruce Lee’s Philosophy, that action movies should have deep meanings. Not this “blow up things and shoot at people” stuff. He believed action movies should be symbolic and deep. See “Game of Death” great movie, with lots of symbolism, and good fighting!
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« Reply #55 on: June 14, 2003, 09:25:54 AM »

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Do you commonly make up things when you can’t think of some twist of the truth that is negative to my posts? I said the same the 2 inch board and the mile run. They are easier, by most guys who "buy" their blakc belts can't do them. You complete missed you point, as usual. Run ever night of broken glass, uh? Right, bro.

What are you talking about?  Where did I lie or twist anything?  I missed no point at all.  I think that the first two requirements should be necissary way before black belt.  How is that missing the point.  Who said anyone ran over broken glass everynight?  I said they ran in the street where there would be etc etc.  I never took it every night as it wasn't even offered everynight.

You're the one who likes to play tough guy.  So you live in an area of people who claim to be something they're not waht would you like me to do about that.  Should I tell about all the catholics I work/worked with that talk about strip clubs, bars, porn, wild bachelor, etc?  

I think you need to try and read a little harder.  You never answered the potluck question as I know of no church in my area that has anything called a potluck.

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I don't do anything in TKD seeing as I haven't been able to take it in two years.  I mentioned that before.  I can tell you what I did do.  We would usually start out by running for a while around the gym, switching it up by running backwards and side running(leg over leg sort of like hoping almost), then we would stretch.  Depending on who taught the class it would go into class wide form practice (which got quite tiresome if you put your all into it) which basically we would do a combination of kicks or punches down the gym and back.  Finally we would learn either forms, closeup defense (ie when some one grabs your hand arm etc do this) new techniques.  Thursday night was sparing night.  Wasn't always that full as a lot of people didn't like to spar.  
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« Reply #56 on: June 14, 2003, 01:43:51 PM »

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Do you commonly make up things when you can’t think of some twist of the truth that is negative to my posts? I said the same the 2 inch board and the mile run. They are easier, by most guys who "buy" their blakc belts can't do them. You complete missed you point, as usual. Run ever night of broken glass, uh? Right, bro.

What are you talking about?  Where did I lie or twist anything?  I missed no point at all.  I think that the first two requirements should be necissary way before black belt.  How is that missing the point.  Who said anyone ran over broken glass everynight?  I said they ran in the street where there would be etc etc.  I never took it every night as it wasn't even offered everynight.

You're the one who likes to play tough guy.  So you live in an area of people who claim to be something they're not waht would you like me to do about that.  Should I tell about all the catholics I work/worked with that talk about strip clubs, bars, porn, wild bachelor, etc?

Go a head, THe majority of the people in this town are baptist who not only tal kabout, but do all of those things. It isn't about Baptist, it is about the hypocrites that give the Baptist church a bad name. Don't take it so personally

I think you need to try and read a little harder.  You never answered the potluck question as I know of no church in my area that has anything called a potluck.
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I don't do anything in TKD seeing as I haven't been able to take it in two years.  I mentioned that before.  I can tell you what I did do.  We would usually start out by running for a while around the gym, switching it up by running backwards and side running(leg over leg sort of like hoping almost), then we would stretch.  Depending on who taught the class it would go into class wide form practice (which got quite tiresome if you put your all into it) which basically we would do a combination of kicks or punches down the gym and back.  Finally we would learn either forms, closeup defense (ie when some one grabs your hand arm etc do this) new techniques.  Thursday night was sparing night.  Wasn't always that full as a lot of people didn't like to spar.  
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« Reply #57 on: June 15, 2003, 12:17:24 AM »

I was thrilled to see what Brandon Lee (Bruce Lee's son) was going to do with his career. I understand he was a mediocre fighter, but a good actor. So did they ever figure out for sure why he died?
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« Reply #58 on: June 15, 2003, 06:54:22 PM »

Bruce lee was no doubt one of the least physically able Martial  Artist in the work. He was skinny, short, and unfit when he started out! one leg was an inch longer then the other, and he had really bad eyes, he wore contacts. You just have to respect a man like that, all those physical problems, and he grew up to become one of the greatest fighter the Modern world has seen!

No one ever knows the full story of his death. I think it is pretty clear. He took countless fights. People would recopies him on the street and challenge him, and he never refused. People on his Movie sets challenged him all the time. He was having several fights a day between seens in the last movie he made, Enter the Dragon. It is shame, too. I think Game of Death would have been a GREAT movie had to completed it.
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« Reply #59 on: June 15, 2003, 07:03:09 PM »

Yeah, I knew Bruce died of a brain aneurism, probably from all the fighting. He was spectacular. But I think his son Brandon was either not born with his father's genes, or just didn't have the same interest. Brandon was making a movie, and he was somehow killed on the set. I knew people were looking into it, but I don't remember hearing what happened to him. It always bothered me, because after we lost a great like Bruce Lee, I was at least hoping to see his son in action. Incredibly sad.
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