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Quote from: Pastor Roger on June 03, 2008, 12:26:50 AM
I don't know about a rabbit, but I'll catch a fish, gut it, clean it and cook it up toot sweet!
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New tax on airline tickets
to fight global warming?
162 nation conference examining
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A tax on airline tickets and an auction of pollution rights are just two ideas likely to be studied at a 162-nation conference examining ways of raising the billions of dollars needed every year to fight global warming.
More than 2,000 delegates opened the two-week meeting Monday, launching an 18-month process of intense negotiations on an agreement to succeed the Kyoto Protocol, which expires in 2012.
Discussions began with a warning from poor countries and environmentalists that global warming already is harming millions of people, worsening the global food crisis and changing Earth more rapidly than scientists earlier predicted.
Climate change "for us is not a distant reality, but a present reality," said Amjad Abdulla of the Maldives, whose Indian Ocean island nation could vanish if sea levels rise just a few feet.
Recent cyclones that have battered Myanmar and Bangladesh "should be a wake-up call to all of us," he said, speaking for 49 nations grouped as Least Developed Countries.
The Bonn talks are to go into the details of an agreement to be concluded in December 2009 and signed in Copenhagen, Denmark. The talks are based on an accord reached in Bali last December when the United States, India and China indicated they would take part in a post-2012 arrangement.
"The critical issue will be financial engineering," said Yvo de Boer, the United Nations' top climate official.
"The developing countries made a major step forward by saying in Bali they are willing to take real, measurable and verifiable steps to limit their emissions—provided real, measurable and verifiable money is put on the table," he said.
The new climate change pact will succeed the first phase of the 1997 Kyoto Protocol, which requires 37 industrialized nations to reduce greenhouse gas emissions an average of 5 percent below 1990 levels by 2012.
The United States agreed to the Bali accord after several of its objections were met. It had signed but refused to ratify Kyoto, largely because rapidly developing economies like India and China faced no climate obligations.
At least seven more major meetings are scheduled before Copenhagen, with the next in August in Accra, Ghana. Delegates say the new pact must be concluded by December 2009 so it can be ratified in time to smoothly replace Kyoto in 2012.
Few, if any, conclusions were expected from the Bonn talks.
The most difficult issues have been put off until next year, when a new and presumably more climate-friendly administration takes over in Washington.
De Boer told The Associated Press on Sunday that by 2030 the world will need to spend $200 billion to $300 billion a year to contain global warming and help developing nations adapt to their changing conditions—such as less rainfall, harsher storms, and the extinction or migration of species.
Several delegations have brought proposals to Bonn for raising those funds.
Mexico wants to create a pool of regular donations from each country according to its financial means, which would be distributed to developing countries according to need.
The European Union and several small countries are working on proposals for a climate tax on aviation and shipping.
The growing carbon market could be a major source of revenue. In the EU, industries are allocated pollution rights allowing them to emit carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases, which they can trade on the open market. Companies that do not use all their credits can sell them to others that have exceeded their pollution limits.
Many delegations, supported by environmentalists, say those emission credits should be auctioned rather than allocated for free. Damien Demailly, of the environmental group WWF France, estimated such auctions could raise $40 billion annually.
De Boer has floated an idea to create a climate change bond that would be sold by developing countries to investors. The bond issue would evolve from the current system under which countries gain credit for projects they finance in another country that can verifiably reduce that country's carbon emissions.
Scientists warn the world's carbon emissions must peak within the next 10 to 15 years and then fall by half by mid-century to avert potentially catastrophic consequences.
Bill Hare, a scientist for the Greenpeace environmental group, said in the half year since Bali, a grimmer scientific picture has emerged regarding global warming. New reports say ice is melting at a record rate in Greenland and Antarctica, he said, and droughts in Australia, Ukraine and Russia have cut into food production.
"The negotiators here are gathering under a darkening cloud," Hare said. "The level of ambition is far too low."
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Army: Sun, Not Man, Is Causing Climate Change
The Army is weighing in on the global warming debate, claiming that climate change is not man-made. Instead, Dr. Bruce West, with the Army Research Office, argues that "changes in the earth’s average surface temperature are directly linked to ... the short-term statistical fluctuations in the Sun’s irradiance and the longer-term solar cycles."
In an advisory to bloggers entitled "Global Warming: Fact of Fiction [sic]," an Army public affairs official promoted a conference call with West about "the causes of global warming, and how it may not be caused by the common indicates [sic] some scientists and the media are indicating."
In the March, 2008 issue of Physics Today, West, the chief scientist of the Army Research Office's mathematical and information science directorate, wrote that "the Sun’s turbulent dynamics" are linked with the Earth's complex ecosystem. These connections are what is heating up the planet. "The Sun could account for as much as 69 percent of the increase in Earth’s average temperature," West noted.
It's a position that puts West at odds with nearly every major scientific organization on the planet. "The American Meteorological Society, the American Geophysical Union, and the American Association for the Advancement of Science all have issued statements in recent years concluding that the evidence for human modification of climate is compelling," Science magazine observes. So has the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), which shared the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize with Al Gore, for their work on global warming.
West acknowledges that the IPCC and other scientific groups have "conclude[d] that the contribution of solar variability to global warming is negligible." He argues that these groups have done a poor job modeling the Sun's impact, however, and that's why they have "significantly over-estimated" the "anthropogenic contribution to global warming."
In recent days, the science and politics of climate change have once again taken center stage. NASA's Inspector General just issued a report, acknowledging that political appointees "reduced, marginalized or mischaracterized climate change science made available to the general public." Yesterday, the Senate began debating a bill that would cap carbon dioxide emissions -- considered one of the leading causes of man-made global warming.
After the jump: the Army's full press release.
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Subject: Army Blogger's Roundtable: Global Warming (UNCLASSIFIED)
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Army Blogger’s Roundtable
Global Warming: Fact of Fiction
11 AM Thursday, June 5
Is global warming really caused by humans, or is it simply the result of different aspects of the sun’s dynamics?
Dr. Bruce West, Chief Scientist, Mathematical & Information Science Directorate, Army Research Office, will discuss the causes of global warming, and how it may not be caused by the common indicates some scientists and the media are indicating. Research conducted by Dr. West contends that the changes in the earth’s average surface temperature are directly linked to two distinctly different aspects of the sun’s dynamics: the short-term statistical fluctuations in the Sun’s irradiance and the longer-term solar cycles.
Please reply to this message if you are interested in participating.
Lindy Kyzer
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Department of the Army
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I wonder if Congress and the President will ignore the Army on this and will still continue with their carbon tax bills. Most likely.
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Quote from: Pastor Roger on June 03, 2008, 09:30:18 PM
I wonder if Congress and the President will ignore the Army on this and will still continue with their carbon tax bills. Most likely.
It appears that this MASSIVE CON GAME AND FRAUD has a good chance of becoming a MASSIVE EXTORTION -
ONE OF THE MOST WIDESPREAD CRIMES IN HISTORY!
If our representatives can't or won't
STOP THIS CRIME - THERE IS NOTHING LEFT EXCEPT CORRUPTION!
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Quote from: Pastor Roger on June 03, 2008, 12:11:45 PM
New tax on airline tickets
to fight global warming?
162 nation conference examining
ways of raising billions of dollars
A tax on airline tickets and an auction of pollution rights are just two ideas likely to be studied at a 162-nation conference examining ways of raising the billions of dollars needed every year to fight global warming.
I am too nauseated to read more! It is just totally unbeliveable how this lie has taken off and the ones that are paying for it is the PEOPLE. It's a good thing I don't fly anywhere. But even besides that, I was going to get a car when I moved into my new apartment (mine broke down right after taking this job), but the more I see and the more I think about it, I have to ask myself WHY? Seattle has one to the best Public Transit systems in the nation. The hard part would be getting my grandson to my place on my days off, but it can be done. And a bit inconvient for grocery shopping, but I figure I'll get me one of the those "old lady" carts that you see em' pulling along behind them and I'll be just fine.
See! Perfect! (Except for the beer. I'll replace that with my addiction of.............................. Diet Pepsi!)
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Quote from: blackeyedpeas on June 03, 2008, 09:44:07 PM
MASSIVE EXTORTION
You've hit the nail square on the head there, my Brother!
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Hello GrammyLuv,
I think that I'll go in the opposite direction and get a mode of transportation that I can go where I want to and when I want to.
(Small Print: fully armed.)
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Quote from: blackeyedpeas on June 03, 2008, 11:35:10 PM
Hello GrammyLuv,
I think that I'll go in the opposite direction and get a mode of transportation that I can go where I want to and when I want to.
(Small Print: fully armed.)
and an excellent gas guzzler.
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Quote from: Pastor Roger on June 03, 2008, 11:49:40 PM
and an excellent gas guzzler.
That's for sure! Maybe I'll get on of these....
Yeah! THAT's the ticket! I can just see me now!
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Quote from: grammyluv on June 04, 2008, 12:25:39 AM
That's for sure! Maybe I'll get on of these....
Yeah! THAT's the ticket! I can just see me now!
Looks like that person is bowing down to the liberals.
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A DISASTER, GETTING WORSE
We wrote here about the economic disaster that goes by the name Lieberman-Warner, the carbon cap-and-trade system now being considered by the Senate.
The bill, as amended by Barbara Boxer, has now gotten even worse. Boxer's amendment adds more than 300 regulations and mandates.
Yesterday, four Republican Senators held a press conference on Lieberman-Warner. Jim Inhofe of Oklahoma:
[T]his would be the largest single tax increase in the history of the country. This is the -- using their own figures, it would be $6.7 trillion, with a maximum giving back over the life of this bill of $2.5 trillion. That leaves $4.2 trillion dollars.
Kit Bond of Missouri:
According to EPA, under Lieberman-Warner, the average household power bills rise 44 percent by 2030. They lose $4,377 to higher energy prices and pay $1.40 more for gas by 2050.
I, like Senator McConnell, toured my state this past week talking about energy. And you know something?
When I told my Missouri constituents that the Senate this week would not be talking about moving a bill to open up the massive oil and gas supplies that we have in America to lower prices, that this body would be considering a bill to add huge price increases to all energy, they could not believe it.
What is the Senate doing? That's a good question, because these higher U.S. energy prices would drive energy-intensive manufacturing jobs overseas to foreign countries with cheaper energy prices. Manufacturing workers are already suffering.
We've seen half of U.S. fertilizer industry leave the country. Chemical companies and plastic companies are leaving the U.S. Just recently, Dow announced it was thinking of selling its plastic business because firms in Asia and the Middle East have access to cheaper energy.
Adding to this misery, manufacturers estimate this bill will cost my state of Missouri over 76,000 jobs and cut between 3 million and 4 million jobs nationwide by 2030.
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Flood of scientists continue to sign petition opposed to global warming alarmism, says Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine
As the Senate prepares for floor debate on global warming legislation, the list of scientist signatories to the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine's petition against global warming alarmism is growing by about 35 signatures every day, announced OISM's Art Robinson.
On May 19, 2008, OISM announced that over 31,000 scientists, including more than 9,000 with PhDs, signed a petition that states, There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane or other greenhouse gases is causing, or will cause in the future, catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate...
Signatories include such luminaries as theoretical physicist Freeman Dyson, MIT's atmospheric physicist Richard Lindzen and first National Academy of Sciences president Frederick Seitz. More than 40 signatories are members of the prestigious national Academy of Sciences.
The purpose of the Petition Project is to demonstrate that the claim of settled science and an overwhelming consensus in favor of the hypothesis of human-caused global warming and consequent climatological damage is wrong. No such consensus or settled science exists. As indicated by the petition text and signatory list, a very large number of American scientists reject this hypothesis.
There is currently 31,072 signatures and still growing.
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Brothers and Sisters,
This is one of those things where it is hoped by power and money-hungry thieves hope that a LIE told long enough and often enough becomes the truth. What they are attempting to do is ILLEGAL AND UNCONSTITUTIONAL!
It should be met with CRIMINAL AND CIVIL PROSECUTION! It's a FRAUD where the connected will make huge sums of money and the unconnected will suffer greatly. Average people are the unconnected if you hadn't guessed,
AND AVERAGE PEOPLE CAN FILE THE CHARGES!
Average people can also sign petitions that would FORCE A VOTE on THIS LIE! If this much effort is expended, it would be a good thing to address many other issues at the same time that are also ILLEGAL AND UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
IT'S TIME FOR A CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION AND TAKING OUR COUNTRY BACK!
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Vote on climate bill is blocked in Senate
Senate Republicans on Friday blocked a global warming bill that would have required major reductions in greenhouse gases, after a bitter debate over its economic costs and whether it would substantially raise gasoline and other energy prices.
Democratic leaders fell a dozen votes short of getting the 60 needed to end a Republican filibuster on the measure and bring the bill up for a vote. The 48-36 vote failed to reach even a majority, a disappointment to the bill's supporters.
Majority Leader Harry Reid was expected to pull the legislation, in all likelihood pushing the congressional debate over climate change to next year with a new Congress and a new president.
The bill would have capped carbon dioxide coming from power plants, refineries and factories, with a target of cutting greenhouse gas emissions by 71 percent by mid-century.
"It's a huge tax increase," argued Republican Senate leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, a prominent coal-producing state. He maintained that the proposed system of allowing widespread trading of carbon emissions allowances would produce "the largest restructuring of the American economy since the New Deal."
Supporters of the bill accused Republicans of muddying the water with misinformation.
"There is no tax increase," Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., one of the bill's chief sponsors said. She said the emissions trading system would provide tax relief to help people pay energy prices. And supporters disputed that it would substantially increase gasoline prices.
Four Democrats joined most Republicans in essentially killing the bill.
Both presidential candidates, Democrat Barack Obama and Republican John McCain, were absent, although supporters of the bill said they had sent letters advising they would have voted for the bill.
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