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Title: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on August 18, 2006, 06:27:54 PM
Global Warming Is The Reason For Everything!!


Roy Spencer at TCS Daily, writes of the absence of Atlantic hurrincanes this year:

    Yet, now at mid-August, we have had only three named tropical storms, compared to nine by this date last year. Normally, we would have had one hurricane by now, and we have not had any so far, so by that measure we are actually below normal.

Roy Spencer is not aware that the “below normal” hurricane activity is the result of global warming caused by man and this will cause a crisis of epic proportions.

He goes on to discuss the reason why:

    Hurricanes require warm sea surface temperatures (SSTs), and last year the tropical Atlantic sea surface temperatures were running well above normal. Global warming was the explanation given by most ‘experts’ the media interviewed.

Again, the sea surface temperatures were running “well above normal” last year because of global warming caused by man and that caused a crisis of epic proportions.

What is going on right now?

    But now those same regions that had anomalously warm SSTs last year are — gasp! — near normal.

Again, Roy Spencer is clearly not aware that the sea surface temperatures are “near normal” because of global warming caused by man and that is causing a crisis of epic proportions.


Title: Britain hires Gore to advise on 'global warming'
Post by: Soldier4Christ on October 30, 2006, 10:04:59 PM
Britain hires Gore to advise on 'global warming' 
Report: Climate change will devastate economy on scale of world wars, Depression

 Unchecked global warming will devastate the world economy on the scale of the world wars and the Great Depression, a British government report said Monday, as the country launched a bid to convince doubters that environmentalism and economic growth can coincide.

Britain hired former Vice President Al Gore, who has emerged as a powerful environmental spokesman since his defeat in the 2000 presidential election, to advise the government on climate change _ a clear indication of Prime Minister Tony Blair's dissatisfaction with current U.S. policy.

 Blair, President Bush's top ally in the Iraq war, said unabated climate change would eventually cost the world between 5 percent and 20 percent of global gross domestic product each year. He called for "bold and decisive action" to cut carbon emissions and stem the worst of the temperature rise.

"It is not in doubt that, if the science is right, the consequences for our planet are literally disastrous," he said. "This disaster is not set to happen in some science fiction future many years ahead, but in our lifetime."

The report emphasized that global warming can only be fought with the cooperation of major countries such as the United States and China, and represents a huge contrast to the Bush administration's wait-and- see global warming policies.

Sir Nicholas Stern, the senior government economist who wrote the report, said that acting now to cut greenhouse gas emissions would cost about 1 percent of global GDP each year. He recommended a "low- carbon global economy" through measures including taxation, regulation of greenhouse gas emissions and carbon trading.

"That is manageable," he said. "We can grow and be green."

Bush kept America _ by far the biggest emitter of carbon dioxide and other gases blamed for global warming _ out of the Kyoto international treaty to reduce greenhouse gases, saying the pact would harm the U.S. economy. The international agreement was reached in Kyoto, Japan, in 1997 and expires in 2012.

Blair made his displeasure with U.S. environmental policy clear when he signed an agreement this year with California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger to develop new technologies to combat the problem. The measure imposed the first emissions cap in the United States on utilities, refineries and manufacturing plants in a bid to curb the gases that scientists blame for warming the Earth.

The prime minister and the report also said that no matter what Britain, the United States and Japan do, the battle against global warming cannot succeed without deciding when and how to control the greenhouse gas emissions by such fast-industrializing giants as China and India.

Stern's 700-page report said evidence showed "that ignoring climate change will eventually damage economic growth."

"Our actions over the coming decades could create risks of major disruption to economic and social activity, later in this century and in the next, on a scale similar to those associated with the great wars and the economic depression of the first half of the 20th century," he said.

The report said at current trends average global temperatures will rise by 3.6 to 5.4 degrees within the next 50 years or so, and the earth will experience several degrees more of warming if emissions continue to grow.

It said such warming could have effects such as melting glaciers, rising sea levels, declining crop yields, drinking water shortages, higher death tolls from malnutrition and heat stress, and widespread outbreaks of malaria and dengue fever. Developing countries often would be the hardest hit.

The report acknowledged that its predictions regarding GDP relied on sparse data about high temperatures and developing countries, and placed monetary values on human health and the environment, "which is conceptually, ethically and empirically very difficult."

Treasury Chief Gordon Brown, who is expected to replace Blair as prime minister next year, said Britain would lead the international effort against climate change, establishing "an economy that is both pro- growth and pro-green." He called for Europe to cut its carbon emissions by 30 percent by 2020 and 60 percent by 2050 _ and Blair's government on Monday said it would propose a British law to that effect.

Under the 1997 Kyoto accord, 35 industrialized nations committed to reducing emissions by an average 5 percent below 1990 levels by 2012.

But Britain is one of only a handful of industrialized nations whose greenhouse gas emissions have fallen in the last decade and a half, the United Nations said Monday.

The U.N. said Germany's emissions dropped 17 percent between 1990 and Britain's by 14 percent and France's by almost 1 percent.

Overall, there was a 2.4 percent rise in emissions by 41 industrialized nations from 2000 to 2004, mostly because former Soviet-bloc countries, whose emissions declined in their economic downturn of the 1990s, increased emissions during the recent four-year period by 4.1 percent.

The British government is considering new "green taxes" on cheap airline flights, fuel and high-emission vehicles.


Title: Gore urges Japan execs to fight 'global warming'
Post by: Soldier4Christ on January 16, 2007, 03:48:31 AM
Gore urges Japan execs to fight 'global warming'
'Our planet now has a fever. And it's not going away'

 Former US vice president and environmental activist Al Gore urged Japanese business leaders to set an example for companies around the world in tackling climate change.

"The business leadership of Japan can lead the way and lead the business community of the world," said Gore.

"Your determination to be a part of the solution can be the key to the world successfully resolving this crisis," he told a gathering of the Japan Business Federation (Keidanren).

Gore, who was in Japan to promote his documentary on global warming, "An Inconvenient Truth, said Japanese executives could play a pivotal role in persuading the United States to ratify the Kyoto Protocol that aims to restrict the emission of greenhouse gases blamed for global warming.

"The tipping point for the US is influenced by the business community as much as anything," Gore said.

"And the Japanese business community can have a powerful influence on the shaping of opinions within the US business community," he added.

Gore said an unusually warm winter in Japan and cherry blossoms in the US capital three months early were worrying portents.

"Our planet now has a fever. And it's not going away," he said. "We have a moral obligation to those coming after us."

Japan is a frontrunner in energy-efficient technologies. Earlier Monday its Prime Minister Shinzo Abe announced a two billion dollar aid package to help Asian nations develop energy-saving technology at a summit in the Philippines.



Title: Re: Gore urges Japan execs to fight 'global warming'
Post by: Soldier4Christ on January 16, 2007, 03:51:30 AM
He had to go to Japan now because he can't convince anyone of global warming in the U.S. at the moment.

"California citrus faces losses from cold snap"

"Death toll grows as path of ice storm widens"



Title: Re: Gore urges Japan execs to fight 'global warming'
Post by: nChrist on January 16, 2007, 09:48:13 PM
 ;D

This global warming here in Oklahoma has given us one of the most harsh winters in many years. Winters in Oklahoma are usually in the 30s and 40s, so these teens and wind chills of less than zero aren't much fun.

Who knows, maybe Al Gore will say that global warming is responsible for all of these winter storms. Regardless, I think that Al needs SERIOUS COUNSELING.   ;D


Title: Re: Gore urges Japan execs to fight 'global warming'
Post by: Soldier4Christ on January 16, 2007, 11:23:30 PM
You have Gore pretty well pegged. He has in fact said the weird weather we are getting is because of global warming.

Of course all the global warming advocates deny that the entire world was a tropical climate not long ago. If they did recognize that they may recognize the fact that the world is recovering from a catastrophic condition (global flood).




Title: Global warming to swamp Florida?
Post by: Soldier4Christ on February 02, 2007, 07:32:44 AM
Global warming to swamp Florida?
Some scientists doubt research behind dire scenarios in U.N. report

 A much-debated U.N. report on climate change to be released today raises the specter of rising sea levels and hurricanes that could eventually swamp much of South Florida.

One official this week even suggested the Bahamas could be under water by 2030.

 Dozens of scientists and government experts from 113 countries edited the new report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, or IPCC. It is considered by most in the scientific community to be the comprehensive document on climate change, one that could influence government and industrial policy worldwide.

Specifically, experts are looking at predictions of sea level rise over the next 50 years from 2 feet to 10 feet.

A rise of 10 feet could swamp the state's highly populated coastline and send salt water spilling into the freshwater Everglades, said a leading South Florida-based scientist.

"It's an outlying estimate, but a 10-foot rise is within the realm of possibility," said Stephen P. Leatherman, director of the International Hurricane Research Center at Florida International University. "If that happens, not only do you have rising water to the east, but you have saltwater encroachment in the Everglades. It essentially becomes part of the ocean to the west of us.

"At that point, forget about Everglades restoration ... Most of this area is maybe 10 feet above sea level, so if you're talking about a 10-foot rise, and rising tide on top of that, then it's all over."

It would be inconceivable that construction could easily adapt to such a rise, Leatherman said.

"To preserve places like Fort Lauderdale, West Palm Beach, you'd be building high sea walls like they have in New Orleans, and that wouldn't help during storms," he said.

But critics of efforts to mandate industrial controls on carbon emissions, thought to be a leading cause of the warming, are not likely to be silenced by the report.

"This is ... an advocacy group for controls on carbon emissions," said Tom Harris, executive director of the Natural Resources Stewardship Project, a leading clearinghouse for challenges to the science behind global warming. "We haven't seen the science they're drawing on in this report, and we're not going to see it tomorrow.

"There're over 10,000 reports that come out in any year on climate change ... Our own scientists have raised questions about the data they've seen from the IPCC."

Over the past century, sea levels have risen one foot, but that rate has doubled in the last two decades, alarming climate scientists. They are especially concerned by recent evidence that shows huge areas of ice disappearing for the first time in centuries in the Arctic and Antarctica.

The melting ice raises sea levels and, with global warming, water gets hotter and expands.

Scientists involved in the IPCC are trying to incorporate concerns that their early drafts underestimate how much the sea level will rise by 2100 because they cannot predict how much ice will melt from Greenland and Antarctica.

In early drafts, scientists predicted a sea level rise of no more than 23 inches by 2100, but that does not include massive ice sheet melts that have been measured over the past few years.

Still, Leatherman says he's cautious about the projections. A pioneering researcher in sea-level rise who has been involved with IPCC reports for three decades, Leatherman said that the more likely scenario is that South Floridians will face a massive effort to stave off beach erosion from moderate rises of 2 to 3 feet.

"It basically means instead of putting enough sand down to fight off a foot, you've got to put much more sand down to keep beaches with a 2-foot rise," he said.

"That's what's going to happen because nobody's going to let prime real estate like the Diplomat Hotel in Hollywood just collapse in the water."

The report also will say global warming has made stronger hurricanes, including those that hit South Florida in 2004 and 2005. The panel approved language saying an increase in hurricane and tropical cyclone strength since 1970 "more likely than not" can be attributed to man-made global warming.


Title: Supreme Court's global warming ruling decried as 'politically correct'
Post by: Soldier4Christ on April 06, 2007, 02:37:47 PM
Supreme Court's global warming ruling decried as 'politically correct'

A prominent climate-change expert says the Supreme Court's recent ruling in favor of efforts to curb global warming was a classic example of judicial activism. He feels the court's decision, which allows environmental groups to sue the Environmental Protection Agency for refusing to regulate carbon dioxide emissions from new vehicles, is not only a threat to the auto industry but also to the future of the American economy.



The Supreme Court has ruled that carbon dioxide and other "greenhouse gases" are air pollutants under the Clean Air Act. In its 5-4 ruling, the high court held that the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has the authority under the Clean Air Act to regulate so-called greenhouse gas emissions from automobiles.

Myron Ebell, director of energy and global warming policy at the Competitive Enterprise Institute, says the ruling has no immediate practical implications, but rather has political ones. "This Supreme Court decision," he explains, "now will cause many people in business and industry -- many of whom have been calling for global warming legislation anyway because they hope to get rich off of it by raising energy prices -- many of them now who have been opposed will say, 'Well, we need to short-circuit the EPA process, and we need Congress to give us some kind of system to regulate emissions that we can actually live with, not some crazy thing dreamed up by EPA."

Before this ruling, Ebell asserts, it was going to be difficult for the Democrat-led Congress to pass comprehensive legislation that limits energy use, raises energy prices, and rations energy. But now, he says, the Supreme Court has fueled the efforts of those who are pushing for mandatory caps on carbon emissions.

According to the Competitive Enterprise Institute official, the high court's liberal justices have bought into the politically correct hype surrounding global warming and have "vastly expanded" the regulatory powers of the executive branch. "They decided what the outcome should be, and then they figured out what legal reasoning they could cobble together to get that outcome," he asserts. "And I think that's the opposite of what legal reasoning should be."

Ideally, legal reasoning "should follow the best arguments for what the law is and then let the outcome be determined by that," Ebell contends. "But I think they did it just the opposite way, and they got the politically correct conclusion," he says.

In rendering their decision, Ebell adds, the Supreme Court justices have basically said Congress did not know that by passing the Clean Air Act it was giving the EPA regulatory authority over everything in the air -- or, as dissenting Justice Antonin Scalia put it, "anything from frisbies to flatulence."


Title: Celebrities Start "Global Warming'' Tour
Post by: Shammu on April 14, 2007, 01:21:57 PM
Stars are on board for a college tour on global warming

By ERIC BERGER
Copyright 2007 Houston Chronicle

Sheryl Crow may want to soak up the sun, but she thinks the planet is soaking up too much of it.

On Monday, the popular singer and environmental activist Laurie David began a 13-day, 10-stop tour of southern U.S. colleges to raise awareness of global warming among students.

The tour began in Dallas at Southern Methodist University and continues today in College Station on the campus of Texas A&M University. David said the tour's starting point, which will travel from Texas to Washington, D.C. aboard a biofuel-powered bus, is symbolic.

"Texas is the No. 1 emitter of carbon dioxide," said David, who was one of the producers of former Vice President Al Gore's Oscar-winning An Inconvenient Truth. "It's the perfect place to start our tour and highlight the problem."

Celebrities take up cause
The "Stop Global Warming College Tour" is part of a rising tide of celebrities — from Leonardo DiCaprio to John Travolta — who have taken up the cause of global warming, calling for regulatory action to limit the human production of greenhouse gases, most notably carbon dioxide.

The free, 90-minute event will include remarks by David, a short performance by Crow, clips from An Inconvenient Truth, clips from comedians and a dialogue with participants.

A good-natured protest is anticipated in College Station today as some students planned to hold a "Global Warming Pool Party" by Rudder Fountain on A&M's campus.

One of the protest organizers who will be wearing a bathing suit and bouncing a beach ball is David Bellow a 22-year-old senior majoring in political science who said he remains unconvinced that humans are the major cause of Earth's rising thermostat.

"I really don't agree with celebrities going around telling us not to drive our SUVs when they have 15,000 square-foot mansions and fly in private jets," Bellow said.

Simple message
David and Crow said they are not coming to Texas to place blame, but to offer students ideas on how to become part of the solution.

"I kind of came into this as a normal person who didn't know all the facts, but was very disturbed by what's going on," Crow said. "The thing is, for me, I suffered that panic of, what can I do as one person? I think by speaking out I can represent that large population."

The pair's message is simple: Everyone can do his or her part to curb global warming. If you drive an SUV, that's OK, David said. Just make your next vehicle is a hybrid-SUV, which emits far fewer greenhouse gases. Or replace your lightbulbs with compact fluorescent lightbulbs, which use considerably less power than conventional bulbs.

At the tour's end on April 22, Earth Day, Crow and David will call on the federal government to put an immediate freeze on carbon dioxide emissions in this country, followed by sharp reductions in coming years.

Expressing doubts
The state's climatologist, John Nielsen-Gammon, who also is a professor of meteorology at Texas A&M, said he doesn't expect too many students to be swayed by tonight's tour stop.

"The tour will be most effective in reaching those students who regard global warming as a major problem and want to do something about it, because it will bring like-minded students together and suggest ways of taking action," he said. "But the average student is more concerned about the exam tomorrow than the temperature 100 years from now."

Stars are on board for a college tour on global warming (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/4700405.html)


Title: Re: Celebrities Start "Global Warming'' Tour
Post by: Shammu on April 14, 2007, 01:23:12 PM
Hmmmmm, I wonder why they won't talk about glacier growth in Iceland.


Title: Hurricane Forecaster Blasts Al Gore Over Global Warming
Post by: Shammu on April 14, 2007, 01:28:15 PM
Hurricane Forecaster Blasts Al Gore Over Global Warming

Written by: Elaine McKewon

The 2007 National Hurricane Conference ended in New Orleans on Friday with its principal speaker unleashing a fiery indictment of former Vice-President and environmental activist Al Gore, climate change science and the mainstream media.

On the same day that the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change released its latest report, professor of atmospheric science William Gray, a hurricane forecaster at Colorado State University, dismissed the scientific consensus that global warming is a real problem, that it is caused by human activity and that it will lead to more intense storms like Hurricane Katrina.

His speech made headlines around the world and overshadowed a week of courses and workshops on advances in disaster management, public preparedness education and emergency communication systems.

“You’ve heard a lot of foolishness over the last couple years,” said Dr Gray. “I think the whole human-induced greenhouse gas thing is a red herring … I see climate change as due to the ocean circulation pattern.” He believes the earth has been in a natural warming cycle for 30 years owing to fluctuations in ocean currents and that temperatures will cool down in another five to ten years as the currents shift again.

He singled out Mr Gore as a “gross alarmist” and said: “He’s one of these guys that preaches the end of the world type of things. I think he’s doing a great disservice and he doesn’t know what he’s talking about.”

Yet the latter charge is one that Dr Gray has had to increasingly defend because his theories on climate change have isolated him in the scientific community. He might have problems receiving government grants to conduct his research, and his views are rejected by the overwhelming majority of his peers. His conference speeches are notable for their quotes from Senator James Inhofe (R-Okla.) and science fiction author Michael Crichton, while lacking in references to scientific research.

Critics have said that Dr Gray has not allowed his claims about global warming to be evaluated by the scientific community.  Dr Judith Curry, Chair of the School of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences at Georgia Institute of Technology, told the Palm Beach Post that the merits of scientific theories must be tested by being published in leading journals such as Science and Nature, yet “I have not seen any refered publications written by Bill Gray on this topic during the last few years. Research scientists conduct their exchange of ideas in the peer-reviewed literature and at professional conferences, not through the media.”

Dr Gray also took aim at the news media for reporting the IPCC’s findings, and suggested that the scientific consensus only gets coverage because it “makes a hell of a good story”. On the other hand, media ethics experts insist that it is incumbent on journalists to report evidence-based scientific findings while treating untested fringe theories with caution, which is especially important when science meets politics.

Journalist and author Chris Mooney, who has written extensively on science in politics, has argued in the Columbia Journalism Review that “… scientific consensus can be expected to hold up under scrutiny precisely because it was reached through a lengthy and rigorous process of professional skepticism and criticism. At the very least, journalists covering science-based policy debates should familiarize themselves with this professional proving ground, learn what it says about the relative merits of competing claims, and balance their reports accordingly.”

Hurricane Forecaster Blasts Al Gore Over Global Warming (http://www.bayoubuzz.com/News/Weather/Storm/Hurricane_Forecaster_Blasts_Al_Gore_Over_Global_Warming__3375.asp)


Title: Re: Hurricane Forecaster Blasts Al Gore Over Global Warming
Post by: Shammu on April 14, 2007, 01:31:25 PM
Hurricane forecaster says Al Gore does 'great disservice' with film about global warming

Last Update: Apr 7, 2007 5:44 PM

NEW ORLEANS (AP) - A top hurricane forecaster called Al Gore "a gross alarmist" Friday for making an Oscar-winning documentary about global warming.

"He's one of these guys that preaches the end of the world type of things. I think he's doing a great disservice and he doesn't know what he's talking about," Dr. William Gray said in an interview with The Associated Press at the National Hurricane Conference in New Orleans, where he delivered the closing speech.

A spokeswoman said Gore was on a flight from Washington, D.C., to Nashville Friday; he did not immediately respond to Gray's comments.

Gray, an emeritus professor at the atmospheric science department at Colorado State University, has long railed against the theory that heat-trapping gases generated by human activity are causing the world to warm.

Over the past 24 years, Gray, 77, has become known as America's most reliable hurricane forecaster; recently, his mentee, Philip Klotzbach, has begun doing the bulk of the forecasting work.

Gray's statements came the same day the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change approved a report that concludes the world will face dire consequences to food and water supplies, along with increased flooding and other dramatic weather events, unless nations adapt to climate change.

Rather than global warming, Gray believes a recent uptick in strong hurricanes is part of a multi-decade trend of alternating busy and slow periods related to ocean circulation patterns. Contrary to mainstream thinking, Gray believes ocean temperatures are going to drop in the next five to 10 years.

Gore's documentary, "An Inconvenient Truth," has helped fuel media attention on global warming.

Kerry Emanuel, an MIT professor who had feuded with Gray over global warming, said Gray has wrongly "dug (his) heels in" even though there is ample evidence that the world is getting hotter.

Hurricane forecaster says Al Gore does 'great disservice' with film about global warming (http://www.nbc15online.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=ed6154e0-c2ed-445d-956d-28c2782239c7&rss=217)


Title: Re: Hurricane Forecaster Blasts Al Gore Over Global Warming
Post by: Shammu on April 14, 2007, 01:36:10 PM
Are the Global Warming Zealots Walking the Walk on Prevention or Just Blowing Hot Air?

Date: Tuesday, April 10, 2007
By: Joseph C. Phillips,

The other day, while returning home from a morning of running errands, my fourth grade son lamented that we were harming the environment by driving. I offered to pull the car over and let him walk home lest he cause any more damage. He thought about it a moment, then responded that since I was going that way anyway he may as well keep riding. My son is no fool.

Don’t misunderstand. I may have my doubts about manmade global warming, but that doesn’t mean I don’t care about the environment, nor does it mean I am not open to information. I love clean water and fresh air as much as anyone. I am educating myself everyday. I also recognize, however, that there are trade-offs in life, and I am honest in admitting that there is a price I am just not willing to pay.  One of the primary reasons I am a skeptic is that those preaching impending doom the loudest don’t seem honest about the sacrifices they are willing to make.

Put aside the fact that, for believers in manmade global warming, alternative energy sources do not include nuclear power or that those that question the global warming dogma are shouted down and threatened with Nuremberg-type tribunals. Put aside as well that I am old enough to remember the global cooling hysteria of the 1970’s. The truth is that, like my fourth grader, devotees of manmade global warming are great at talking the talk, but when it comes to actually getting out of the car and walking the no-carbon-footprint walk, they prefer gestures like government control of industry and inventing a new market where one can purchase (and trade) environmental salvation through carbon credits.

Former vice president Al Gore, for instance, one of the chief priests of the new global warming religion, is using electricity as if, well, as if it were truly going out of style. While working tirelessly to warn all of us about the coming Armageddon, he is consuming 20 times the electricity of the average American home. In his defense, he claims that because he is purchasing carbon credits (from a company he owns), he is actually carbon neutral. Nice work if you can get it! Next time you are pulled over for driving while under the influence, calmly inform the officer that while you don’t deny drinking like a fish, you took the precaution of purchasing blood alcohol credits so your level is actually less than the breathalyzer test indicated. In less tony neighborhoods, this is known as a street con.

If you want to know the real costs of a carbon neutral lifestyle, take a gander at a young couple from New York City in the midst of a year-long experiment to live a carbon-neutral life. They burn beeswax candles instead of light bulbs, eat mashed carrots with homemade vinegar, purchase no new clothing, do not use elevators and -- most unfortunately, for my tastes anyway -- use no toilet paper. In short, they are living a pre-industrial lifestyle.

Other than this young couple, I am aware of no one willing to follow them back to the 19th century.  And even this couple hasn’t gone all the way.  They still use a computer, which runs on electricity and plan to publish a book, which will no doubt be made of paper.

I don’t mind my son lecturing me about global warming, even while he and his brothers leave every light in the house burning. In the long run, we all benefit from the conversation. However, if the doomsayers are correct, the cost of reversing the evil of global warming is much higher than the most ardent among them is willing to pay. It is certainly higher than I am willing to pay.

I am putting the listening world on notice: I don’t care how hot it gets; I am not giving up toilet paper!

Are the Global Warming Zealots Walking the Walk on Prevention or Just Blowing Hot Air? (http://www.blackamericaweb.com/site.aspx/sayitloud/phillips410)


Title: Re: Hurricane Forecaster Blasts Al Gore Over Global Warming
Post by: Shammu on April 14, 2007, 01:38:06 PM
Quote from: Joseph C. Phillips
I am putting the listening world on notice: I don’t care how hot it gets; I am not giving up toilet paper!

I'm with this guy............ ;D ;D


Title: Re: Celebrities Start "Global Warming'' Tour
Post by: 2nd Timothy on April 14, 2007, 03:46:25 PM
LOL...true.  Global warming sure hasn't lowered my heating bill this year  Its April 14, and the windchill here in Texas is 27-F.  Perhaps when the penguins start lining the shores of Miami Beach, and the polar bears are eating the environmentalists, they will come to their senses. 


Title: Re: Celebrities Start "Global Warming'' Tour
Post by: Soldier4Christ on April 14, 2007, 04:16:01 PM
Perhaps when the penguins and start lining the shores of Miami Beach, and the polar bears are eating the environmentalists, they will come to their senses. 

Naww .....




Title: Re: Celebrities Start "Global Warming'' Tour
Post by: 2nd Timothy on April 14, 2007, 04:26:46 PM
lol...yeah your probably right!  Wouldn't change a thing


Title: Re: Celebrities Start "Global Warming'' Tour
Post by: Shammu on April 14, 2007, 09:15:35 PM
lol...yeah your probably right!  Wouldn't change a thing

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Title: Re: Celebrities Start "Global Warming'' Tour
Post by: Brother Jerry on April 16, 2007, 12:02:36 PM
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"The thing is, for me, I suffered that panic of, what can I do as one person? I think by speaking out I can represent that large population."
In other words.... Let me use my celebrity status to make it seem like I am representing a large population....that large population is of course college kids that come out to a free concert.  What self respecting college kid is going to turn down a free concert....honestly they would attend the concert even if the main goal was NAMBLA.


Title: Re: Celebrities Start "Global Warming'' Tour
Post by: Shammu on April 16, 2007, 02:12:55 PM
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Perhaps when the penguins and start lining the shores of Miami Beach

How about bananas?? ;D ;D ;D


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Title: Re: Celebrities Start "Global Warming'' Tour
Post by: 2nd Timothy on April 16, 2007, 02:18:28 PM
Penguins, Bananas, makes no difference.......lol


Title: Group Calls for Population Control to Stop Global Warming
Post by: Shammu on April 20, 2007, 04:29:59 PM
Group Calls for Population Control to Stop Global Warming
By Monisha Bansal
CNSNews.com Staff Writer
April 18, 2007

(CNSNews.com) - Ahead of Earth Day on Sunday, an advocacy group warned that the United States is ignoring "the most crucial factor in reducing global warming" -- population control.

"Human population growth is the paramount environmental issue," Ric Oberlink, a spokesman for Californians for Population Stabilization, told Cybercast News Service.

"Global warming is a very serious problem, but it is a subset of the overpopulation problem," he said.

Oberlink argued that an increase in the emission of "greenhouse gases" -- carbon dioxide and other gases blamed for climate change -- is a result of human activity, "like most environmental problems."

Although one part of the equation is what people do, he said, the other part is how many there are.

"If we had half as many people, we wouldn't have much of a climatic warming problem," argued Oberlink.

"Many have noted the disproportionate impact of America on greenhouse emissions and rightly called for reduced emissions. But it's hypocritical to say that the problem is that Americans consume too much and then say it doesn't matter how many Americans there are."

According to the population group, Americans are "by far the most voracious consumers and the greatest producers of greenhouse gases per capita of any nation on earth."

And the U.S. population, it says, "has been doubling every 40 years and is headed for one billion before the end of this century."

"No matter how clever and inventive human technology can be, it will be overwhelmed by the explosive multiplication of unrelenting population growth," asserted Randy Alcorn, a senior writing fellow at Californians for Population Stabilization.

"While it may be beneficial to replace incandescent light bulbs with fluorescent light bulbs, it would be more effective towards salvaging the planet to turn on light bulbs in minds darkened by political expediency and religious dogma," he said.

"Those who surrender reason to religious and political doctrine and push the rubble of their misguided convictions into the path of prudent population reduction policies are complicit in condemning an entire planet to doom," said Alcorn.

Oberlink criticized environmental groups for not addressing population growth.

"Today, major environmental groups seldom discuss population growth," he said. "They have become increasingly politically correct and increasingly ineffective in protecting the environment.

"It's easier to single out targets like Big Oil and Big Detroit instead of calling for changes in personal behavior or taking on a tough issue like population growth with its concomitant connection to volatile issues like immigration or access to birth control," Oberlink said.

Environmental Defense, the World Resources Institute and the Union of Concerned Scientists did not respond to invitations to react to the criticism of green campaign groups.

But pro-family organizations take issue with the population control arguments.

"While there is growing consensus that the earth is warming slightly, there is no consensus that humans are the main cause," the Family Research Council said in a statement.

"Those pushing global warming are proposing a radical agenda as the solution to a problem that is not yet fully understood," it said.

"In part, this solution calls for population control, which is code for abortions, condom distribution and mass sterilization," said the FRC.

Group Calls for Population Control to Stop Global Warming (http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=/Nation/archive/200704/NAT20070418a.html)


Title: Re: Group Calls for Population Control to Stop Global Warming
Post by: Shammu on April 20, 2007, 04:31:05 PM
This is the moment the eugenisists have been waiting for.... :'(

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics


Title: Re: Group Calls for Population Control to Stop Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on April 20, 2007, 04:36:04 PM
It is also one more reason for the pro-abortionists to substantiate their actions. It is full of garbage just as the whole global warming garbage is. The hottest recorded temperatures in history came at a time when the earth's population was significantly smaller than it is today and technology was far from today's CO2 emitters.

These people need to get a life, a life with God.



Title: Re: Group Calls for Population Control to Stop Global Warming
Post by: Shammu on April 20, 2007, 05:02:21 PM


These people need to get a life, a life with God.


AMEN


Title: Re: Group Calls for Population Control to Stop Global Warming
Post by: Faithin1 on April 21, 2007, 12:55:16 PM
Another Amen!


Title: The Global Warming Jihad
Post by: Shammu on April 22, 2007, 08:10:56 PM
The Global Warming Jihad

by Butler Shaffer

For those who believe, no explanation is necessary. For those who do not believe, no explanation is possible.

~ Anonymous

In my college days, I was introduced to a book, written in 1841 by Charles Mackay. Titled Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds, it remains a worthwhile chronicle – at least through the mid-nineteenth century – of some of the consequences of mankind’s periodic collapses into mass-mindedness. If Mackay was around today, he would be able to devote a chapter to the emergence of the latest secular religion: environmentalism.

It is a common mistake for people to assume that religious faith and fervor are qualities to be found only within institutionally-structured churches with formal doctrines and rituals. They are to be found, in varying degrees, within all belief systems, be they secular or theistic in nature. The polar opposite philosophies of Marxism and Ayn Rand’s Objectivism – both of which openly condemned traditional religion – are, themselves, grounded in a faith in various central propositions. True-believers of these doctrines who voiced doubt as to any of the underlying premises, have been subjected to purges as enthusiastically conducted as medieval trials for heresy.

I am a strong defender of the processes of scientific inquiry. And yet, I am aware that most scientists cling to a faith in conclusions that have been widely accepted within their respective communities, and angrily react against any heresies – however well-documented and reasoned – that arise from skeptical minds. When British biologist Rupert Sheldrake’s book, A New Science of Life, was published, the science journal, Nature, editorially described it as “a book for burning?” Nor did most members of the scientific world openly embrace the views of the brilliant science philosopher, Paul Feyerabend, who challenged the idea that there was “a” scientific method. He was of the view that a variety of strategies – including luck, accidents, dream interpretation, fraud, mistakes, and intuition – had played major roles in scientific discoveries. He advocated a theoretical anarchism in the search for truth, believing that such an approach was more consistent with human nature than was adherence to rigid rules of inquiry.

I am equally a defender of speculative thinking, wherein emotions, intuitive insights, and an awareness of the need for inner, spiritual expression, inform our empirically-based searches for “truth” about ourselves and the world in which we live. We spend far too little time examining the epistemological basis for our thinking. The question “how do we know what we know” is rarely taken up even by the more intelligent among us. Most of us prefer the leisurely approach to understanding; relying upon self-styled “experts,” or the outcome of public opinion polls, to advise us of the opinions we are to embrace.

Nowhere is this tendency more evident than in the current secular faith in the causes of, and cures for, global warming. Many who eagerly attack the theistically-based religious views of others, have erected their own temporal icons and composed an alternative set of catechisms in furtherance of their creed. The rest of us are expected to accept, without any heretical doubts, that the prophesies of some scientists reflect a core of certainty within the scientific community as firmly grounded as the heliocentric cosmology. Those scientists who doubt the revealed faith, we are told, are but a handful of ignoramuses at such places as Backwater College or Boll Weevil State.

Perhaps it is the lawyer-side of me that insists upon people presenting evidence for their allegedly empirical statements. Using such a standard has led me to conclude that the Earth is, indeed, currently undergoing global warming; and that it has undergone fluctuations between periods of “cooling” and “warming” since long before humans appeared on the planet. Indeed, astronomers report that other planets – particularly Mars – are experiencing similar climate changes as those of Earth. Unless the apostles of the global warming orthodoxy are prepared to lay the blame for Mars’ increased temperatures and melting ice caps on a transmigration of human-generated entropic wastes, factual evidence would suggest looking beyond Earth, itself, for explanations.

My interest in the study of “chaos” and complexity also reminds me that complex systems are influenced by far too many variables of unknown and incalculable factors to permit reliable predictions. Nowhere is this more evident than in efforts to predict local weather. Indeed, the study of chaos was precipitated when MIT professor, Edward Lorenz, used computers to experiment with weather forecasting in the early 1960s. Lorenz discovered what all of us who have tried to make long-term plans for picnics have learned: predicting the weather is quite unreliable beyond two to three days time. There are simply too many unknown and unknowable factors influencing the weather.

This fact, alone, renders ludicrous a statement offered by Dr. Heidi Cullen, the climate expert at The Weather Channel. Directing her attention to the differences of opinion over the causes of global warming, Dr. Cullen has reportedly proposed that meteorologists who deviate from the established orthodoxy of human-caused global warming should be defrocked of their American Meteorological Association indicia of expertise. The global-warming faith is grounded in the illusion that a system of such immeasurable complexity – hence, variability – as climate, can nonetheless be rendered predictable over centuries of time. What a remarkable presumption, coming from one whose profession cannot accurately predict next week’s weather, but who insists upon a sufficient omniscience regarding the causal factors that reach across the millennia to warrant purging those who disagree with her opinions.

Not to be overlooked in his efforts to ferret out heresies, the governor of Oregon, Ted Kulongoski, wants to remove George Taylor from his present position as “State Climatologist.” Taylor – a prolific writer on weather and climate – uttered the blasphemy that “most of the climate changes we have seen up until now have been a result of natural variations.” Those who believe that there is a separation of “religion” and “state” in America confuse form over substance.

Our culture has been so dominated by scientism that there is a tendency to equate scientific conclusions with objective reality. In his “uncertainty principle,” Werner Heisenberg advised us of the fact that the observer is an integral part of what is being observed. The myth of the “impartial” and “objective” observer is no longer taken seriously by thoughtful people. I may be most sincere in my efforts to cut through appearances and get to the core of an important “truth,” but it remains my choice as to what to study, and it is my thinking that sets up the inquiry and evaluates my observations. We are unavoidably a part of what we are studying.

Cont'd next post


Title: Re: The Global Warming Jihad
Post by: Shammu on April 22, 2007, 08:12:24 PM
One way in which confusion arises from this interplay is found in the oft-used tool of “modeling.” Using prior learning – which the study of complexity reminds us is inherently limited – scientists will create models that seek to extrapolate present conditions into the future. One of the better-known examples of this practice was found in Thomas Malthus’ theory that because food supplies can only increase arithmetically, while population increases geometrically, massive starvation was the ultimate fate of mankind unless other population-restricting forces intervened. That such a view failed to account for the unpredicted capacity of technology to expand food production, has not diminished faith in the capacity of scientists to create models that presage the future.

But models do not equate with empirical evidence. As Heisenberg’s principle warns us, models can do no more than project a present limited understanding into the future. Even apart from a consideration as to the causes of global warming – about which there is a decided debate amongst reputable scientists, no matter how much foot-stomping to the contrary – model-building provides no more than a possible theory to be tested against reality. Those who wish to explore this topic in more detail are invited to read the recent book of two geologists – Orrin Pilkey and Linda Pilkey-Jarvis – titled Useless Arithmetic: Why Environmental Scientists Can’t Predict the Future. The authors illustrate the absurd reaches of this faith in modeling in referring to a federal court decision that required assurances of safety for the disposal of radioactive wastes that extended from 300,000 to 1 million years into the future! The idea that modern-day models can predict outcomes 1 million years hence – a capacity that would have to anticipate earthquakes, plate tectonics, climate changes, the Earth being hit by asteroids, and/or solar eruptions – is a power that would nowhere be so dangerous as in the hands of people who fashioned themselves capable of such a task.

Ah, but such omniscient capacities are precisely what the global-warming faithful imagine themselves to possess. Unlike most traditional religions that have historically been content to function without the strong arm of the state behind them, the global warmingists want to turn theirs into a state religion. In the very nature of human beings as producers of carbon dioxide, they have found an “original sin” to be eradicated. (Forget that plants – the foundation upon which all of life depends – are as dependent upon our carbon dioxide as we are upon the oxygen they provide.) I suspect that their version of the “Ten Commandments” greatly exceeds that number.

Nor can we overlook the aura of sainthood in which its spiritual leader, Al Gore, has been enshrouded. There is little questioning, among the faithful, of his reportedly raking in anywhere from $50,000 to $100,000 per lecture – and reportedly receiving a $250,000 speaking fee in Saudi Arabia – nor of the enormous energy costs of maintaining his mansion in Tennessee. It is enough that he is the anointed one, a role he played to perfection when, at the Academy Awards, people were eager to touch the man. I was surprised that young mothers didn’t bring their babies to the stage to be blessed by him.

When I voice my own doubts – grounded in the dissenting opinions offered by many hundreds of scientists as to the human causes of global warming – I receive the standard response: “have you seen Al Gore’s film?” Donald Miller had an excellent article a few weeks ago surveying the literature of opposition to the established dogma. I e-mailed his article to a global warmingist colleague of mine, who responded that Prof. Miller only taught in a medical school. “And a political hack like Al Gore is credible?,” I asked.

The religious nature of the global warming cult also finds expression in the purchase of “carbon offsets,” with which to compensate for excessive CO2 production. This practice has been likened, by some, to the medieval church practice of selling “indulgences.” And like many other religions, this emerging sect has its own version of an apocalypse, with mankind facing a cosmic cataclysm unless we humans end our sinful ways and embrace the secular theology.

To understand the roots of this new religion, one need only go back to the earlier gospel from whence these true believers migrated. It is no coincidence, I believe, that the environmental cult arose at about the same time that the earlier faith in state economic planning was unable to withstand the pragmatic power of the marketplace as the generator of material well-being. Environmentalism provided an alternative vehicle for those whose principal ambition lay in controlling the lives and property of their fellow humans. There was some initial uncertainty expressed over whether we faced an incipient global “cooling” or “warming,” but there was no absence of faith in their underlying cause: to extend coercive control over all of humanity. If you doubt this assessment, consider the common interventionist mindset that has driven both socialist and environmental planners.

As regular readers of my articles may recall, I am a confirmed agnostic when it comes to other people’s cosmologies and earthly utopias, treating all with an energized skepticism. I believe that each of us has a deep need for spiritual experiences, and as long as men and women are content to search their souls and the world about them for their vision without brandishing weapons to compel my adherence to their views, I eagerly support their liberty to pursue such inquiries. I regard it as my contribution to the atmosphere of mutual tolerance upon which free and peaceful societies depend.

I begin to get uneasy, however, when the drum-beating and flag-waving herald a new crusade in which my family and the rest of mankind are to be conscripted. The same fear-mongering that caused most Americans to believe that unseen, sinister forces sought to destroy America with imaginary “weapons of mass destruction,” is now being employed to convince all of humanity of an even deadlier specter: mankind itself. It is time for childish minds to give up their fears of bogeymen, and to stop worshipping those who have nothing more to offer us than a pack of new and improved scarecrows!

 The Global Warming Jihad (http://www.lewrockwell.com/shaffer/shaffer152.html#)


Title: Global Warming; The Other Side
Post by: Shammu on April 26, 2007, 09:00:33 PM
Global Warming; The Other Side

Mark your calendars!!

Next Wednesday (May 2nd) on Glenn Beck (Headline News), he will be devoting his entire show to the other side of "An Inconvenient Truth". He's on at 6:00 pm central time.

On his show tonight, a couple kids emailed him saying their school is making all the kids watch this movie but are not presenting the other side of the story. If you have kids experiencing the same thing, you may want to consider watching/recording this so they can have ammo to combat this slanted view should that have to do a paper on this.

Here is an email from the Glenn Beck show.

"Exposed: Climate of Fear

Here in New York City we’ve had about 4 nice, sunny days in a row and already I hear people complaining about the heat. “Man, what happened to spring…it’s as hot as summer” ... "I actually had to put the air conditioner on last night…in April!” It’s official--we’ve become a nation of whiners and complainers.

I mean, yes—people who live and work in New York City are a unique variety of cry babies, but still. What happened to the strength and stamina of our grandparents and their grandparents? What about the Americans who settled the West and had to make the month’s long journey across the country fighting off disease and Indian attacks? Something tells me you didn’t hear a lot of talk along the wagon trail about it being, “not so much the heat, but the humidity.”

So I say enjoy this delightful weather and all the mild sweatiness that goes along with it. Face it, if me and my multiple chins can take it, so can you. And don’t blame “global warming!” If you haven’t heard me yammer on about how it’s more science fiction than science fact, be sure to tune in on May 2nd for our next big TV special…“Exposed: Climate of Fear.” We do a lot more than just make fun of the perennially fat and occasionally bearded Al Gore (but don’t worry—there’s still plenty of that!)."


Title: Global warming skeptic hopes to diffuse senators' alarm over melting in Greenlan
Post by: Soldier4Christ on July 25, 2007, 02:08:45 PM
Global warming skeptic hopes to diffuse senators' alarm over melting in Greenland

Melting ice on the arctic island of Greenland poses no threat to the earth, says a U.S. congressional staffer. He hopes to convince his fellow travelers of that this weekend during a journey northward.



Marc Morano, a spokesman for Senator Jim Inhofe (R-Oklahoma), will be traveling on Senator Barbara Boxer's (D-California) global warming trip to Greenland. Senator Boxer will be heading the congressional "fact-finding" trip to ostensibly see first-hand the alleged effects of manmade global warming on Greenland and how it is going to theoretically cause catastrophic sea-level rise in New York, Florida, and other coastal areas. Several senators from the Environment and Public Works Committee that she chairs will also join Boxer, as will Morano -- a global-warming skeptic.

Morano says in a pre-briefing for the trip that the two scientists selected by the Democratic majority acknowledged all temperature changes and glacial melting in Greenland is within natural climate variability.

"In fact, the scientist at this meeting admitted that [in] the 1920s and 1930s the temperature warmed up as fast or faster than it currently is -- in that there is nothing at the moment to be alarmed about Greenland. It all comes down to unproven computer models of the future and how much you believe them," explains Morano.

The congressional staffer also makes note that a top U.N. scientist recently said half of the variables in the U.N. computer models are unknown. Morano points out that Greenland is contributing "almost undetectable amounts to sea-level rise." He also points out that Antarctica is actually reducing sea-level rise, so that in a sense Antarctica and Greenland balance each other out.

"Also keep in mind that during the Middle Ages Greenland was named Greenland because it was green. The Vikings settled it -- and that was long before the age of [the] SUV or coal-powered electric plant(s)," observes Morano.

Other observations by Morano include that the trip will not be an eco-friendly one. The delegation will be flying a large military plane to Greenland, then chartering a plane, helicopters, and then a boat out in a fjord, and reversing that to return home.

Morano also makes arguments that Greenland is actually gaining ice in its interior but losing ice on the exterior, which is essentially how a glacier grows.


Title: The enemies of free speech are on the march
Post by: Soldier4Christ on August 08, 2007, 12:15:20 PM
The enemies of free speech are on the march
Start thinking the way we order you to--or else


The president of the American Council on Renewable Energy (ACORE) has written a threatening letter to a scholar at the Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI) warning him to stop publicly criticizing the theory that global warming is a threat to the planet, or risk the end of his reputation.

Implicit in the message: Shut up or you will be destroyed.

The threat

A July 13 letter from ACORE President Michael T. Eckhart to Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI) Senior Fellow Marlo Lewis did not mince words:

"It is my intention to destroy your career as a liar," Eckhart graciously wrote. "If you produce one more editorial against climate change, I will launch a campaign against your professional integrity. I will call you a liar and a charlatan to the Harvard community of which you and I are members. I will call you out as a man who has been bought by Corporate America. Go ahead, guy. Take me on."

CEI does not dispute the existence of climate change. However, it differs sharply from the enviro alarmist community (such as ACORE) as to the causes and the imminence of the threat.

In a hearing July 26, Senator James Inhofe, ranking member and former chairman of the Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works, confronted Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Stephen L. Johnson with the letter. ACORE is an EPA member.

Johnson replied that statements like this "are of concern to me," and promised to look into the matter.

Senator Inhofe, who has taken his share of flak for his intrepid exposures of the "global warming," fraud knows firsthand the backlash from those who don't want to hear any dissent. His colleague, Senator Barbara Boxer — the new chairman of the committee — gaveled him down when the Oklahoma senator tried to pose a question to the alarmist-in-chief Al Gore. After all, Mr. Gore has arrogantly proclaimed "the debate is over," so woe be unto anyone daring to (gasp!) question him.

Just a private little note, senator

Eckhart wrote Inhofe a letter the next day complaining that his threatening letter was just "private jousting" and that "[n]one of this was intended for the public." Further, Eckhart protested, "I am embarrassed to have the private e-mail given to the public, and wish your staff had inquired with me before conducting a hearing."

We will not go into detail here as to whether a direct threat in writing qualifies as "a degree of private jousting." Nor will we elaborate on the widespread understanding that when you commit anything to paper or e-mail, you should do so on the assumption that it may be made public. Someone from the "Harvard community" ought to be smart enough to understand that.

Moreover, Myron Ebell — CEI's Director of Energy and Global Warming Policy — tells me that Eckhart has previously written or otherwise communicated with CEI concerning this matter ever since Lewis bested him in a TV debate on global warming, and this may be what really sticks in his craw. He defines Eckhart's letter to Lewis as "essentially blackmail." Lewis firmly believes what he says and, adds the CEI director, "has the facts to back it up."

Union of Concerned Propagandists

The most active group seeking to stifle dissent on global warming is the infamous Union of Concerned Scientists, whose findings are reliably of the "we're-all-going-to-hell-in-a-handbasket" variety. As Ebell charged in an article he co-authored for Capital Research Center, UCS has for almost four decades "manipulated the high reputation of 'science' to serve the low ends of politics."

Concerned about what?

Last year, UCS launched an all-out attack on Exxon Mobil for its contributions to so-called "front groups" who oppose Al Gore's alarmist agenda. In so doing, the political attack dogs disguised as "scientists" compared Exxon to the cigarette companies.

The federal government spends $2 billion (with a b) each year on its Climate Science Change program. Exxon's annual contribution expenditure of $2 million (with an m) is chicken feed by comparison.

Aside from that, what is the real issue that causes the UCS to be "concerned?" Perhaps it is "concerned" that — an all-too-willing media echo chamber notwithstanding — the public may come to realize that UCS's scientific credentials, to put it charitably, are rather thin. It gets its money from powerful anti-free enterprise foundations and from Hollywood stars who apparently believe their celebrity status bestows upon them the gift of genius.

The UCS has a long history of alarmism, not only on global warming, but other issues as well, always in sync with extreme anti-growth environmentalism. It is highly partisan, and its senior staff is made up of politically liberal policy wonks from Washington more than the scientific community. You want to be a "concerned scientist?" They'll be happy to take your money. Just send them $35 and you're in.

The big guns weigh in

Last year, Senators John D. Rockefeller IV (D-West Va.) and Olympia Snowe (R-Maine) wrote an open letter to Exxon CEO Rex Tillerson urging him to end his company's support of "climate change denial front groups." Further, they warned that "an American scientific group" would soon be attacking Exxon for its contributions.

You get one guess as to the name of that "scientific group." (No coaching from the audience, please). Since UCS has open membership, for all we know, any of its "concerned scientists" could be an off-the street nut case or worse, let alone a properly-credentialed "scientist."

Thus, not for the first time has the Stalinist mentality infected the hallowed halls of the United States Senate. (See this column "The enemies of Free Speech are on the March — Part 5: The Senate Censorship Politburo," Sept. 10, 2006.)

Clearly, there was an implied threat in the Rockefeller/Snowe letter. As CEI's Ebell put it to me, "Typically senators and congressmen do not write letters to private entities telling them what to do because they have power over a number of issues that affect those private entities." And he added, "It looks like [they're saying] if you don't do this [stop the contributions], any bill that's before Congress that affects you, we're going to make sure you get it in the neck."

cont'd


Title: Re: The enemies of free speech are on the march
Post by: Soldier4Christ on August 08, 2007, 12:15:41 PM
And from the media

For years, there has been within the mainstream media an "act alike, do alike, think alike" peer pressure. The global warming debate has carried that culture to a new and more troubling level.

Heidi Cullen, who hosts a weekly Weather Channel program called The Climate Code, advocates that broadcast meteorologists who do not go along with the "alarmist" global warming point of view be stripped of their scientific certification.

Nobody died and made this woman the ultimate authority of who is and who is not fit to exist in the meteorologist profession. But the Stalinist thought-control mentality never bothers with such trifles. Others in the media have compared global warming skeptics to Holocaust deniers and suggested they be treated as traitors and that they be charged before Nuremberg-style war crimes trials. Why stop there? Thirties-style Moscow show trials, anyone?

But in fact, skepticism abounds

One hopes that one highly-decorated French geophysicist is safe from Heidi's gendarmes.

Claude Allegre is also a former French government official and an active member of France's Socialist Party. Until September of 2006, Monsieur Allegre was a believer in man-made catastrophic global warming. Not anymore. Further study and more recent findings have made him a skeptic.

He now says that "the prophets of doom on global warming have a lot on their plate in order to make our countrymen swallow their certitudes. He also accused the alarmists of being motivated more by a desire to line their pockets. "The ecology of helpless protesting has become a very lucrative business for some people" he said.

60 Canadian scientists have joined the skeptics, declaring, "If, back in the mid-1990s, we knew what we know today about climate, Kyoto [the global warming treaty] would almost certainly not exist, because we would have concluded it was not necessary."

These are mere samples of the growing skepticism in the scientific community — adding to the ranks of the many scientists who never did buy into the alarmism in the first place.

No one in the U.S. Senate has done a more exhaustive study on this issue than Senator Inhofe. He has cited scientific studies showing that climate change is nothing new; the accuracy of computer predictions is doubtful; global cooling in fact may be on the horizon; the Antarctic is getting colder and the ice is growing; to the extent there was global warming in the 1990s, it stopped in 1998; Alaska is cooling; the oceans are cooling; light hurricane seasons and early winter have become more common; the National Academy of Sciences has found "unsupportable" Al Gore's "hockey stick" claim that the 1990s was the hottest decade in 1,000 years; and polar bears are not going extinct. (On the latter point, see this column "Your safety vs. the enviro lobby," Jan. 11, 2007)

To sum it up

The Stalinists who would shut up the skeptics are looking more ridiculous by the day. Senator Inhofe puts it this way; "The American people are fed up with media for promoting the idea that [Al Gore] represents scientific 'consensus' that SUVs and the modern American way of life have somehow created a climate emergency — that only United Nations bureaucracies and wealthy Hollywood liberals can solve it. [The] publicity and grant seeking global warming alarmists and their advocates in the media [have] finally realized that the only 'emergency' confronting them is their rapidly crumbling credibility, audience and bottom line."

How's that for an "inconvenient truth"? Hopefully, those who agree with it and say so won't be hied off to the gallows.


Title: Red faces at NASA over climate-change blunder
Post by: Soldier4Christ on August 14, 2007, 11:46:03 PM
Red faces at NASA over climate-change blunder 
Agency roasted after blogger spots 'hot years' data fumble

In the United States, the calendar year 1998 ranked as the hottest of them all – until someone checked the math.

After a Toronto skeptic tipped NASA this month to one flaw in its climate calculations, the U.S. agency ordered a full data review.

Days later, it put out a revised list of all-time hottest years. The Dust Bowl year of 1934 now ranks as hottest ever in the U.S. – not 1998.

More significantly, the agency reduced the mean U.S. "temperature anomalies" for the years 2000 to 2006 by 0.15 degrees Celsius.

NASA officials have dismissed the changes as trivial. Even the Canadian who spotted the original flaw says the revisions are "not necessarily material to climate policy."

But the revisions have been seized on by conservative Americans, including firebrand radio host Rush Limbaugh, as evidence that climate change science is unsound.

Said Limbaugh last Thursday: "What do we have here? We have proof of man-made global warming. The man-made global warming is inside NASA ... is in the scientific community with false data."

However Stephen McIntyre, who set off the uproar, described his finding as a "a micro-change. But it was kind of fun."

A former mining executive who runs the blog ClimateAudit.org, McIntyre, 59, earned attention in 2003 when he put out data challenging the so-called "hockey stick" graph depicting a spike in global temperatures.

This time, he sifted NASA's use of temperature anomalies, which measure how much warmer or colder a place is at a given time compared with its 30-year average.

Puzzled by a bizarre "jump" in the U.S. anomalies from 1999 to 2000, McIntyre discovered the data after 1999 wasn't being fractionally adjusted to allow for the times of day that readings were taken or the locations of the monitoring stations.

McIntyre emailed his finding to NASA's Goddard Institute, triggering the data review.

"They moved pretty fast on this," McIntyre said. "There must have been some long faces."



Title: Re: Red faces at NASA over climate-change blunder
Post by: Soldier4Christ on August 14, 2007, 11:47:49 PM
When a 1 degree F increase over many years is enough to support their global warming theories then this is a significant error.

There is an attempted media blackout on this report, at least by all the major liberal media outlets.

Many weather stations are located near sources of man-made heat (such as airports) so their readings need to be adjusted for that. But the adjustments made by Greenie scientists are “secret” and hence probably arbitrary, if not fraudulent. If rural stations only were used, the result would almost certainly be a record of cooling.


Title: Sizzling study concludes: Global warming 'hot air'
Post by: Soldier4Christ on August 21, 2007, 09:47:26 AM
Sizzling study concludes: Global warming 'hot air'
'You can spit, have same effect as doubling the carbon dioxide'

A major new scientific study concludes the impact of carbon dioxide emissions on worldwide temperatures is largely irrelevant, prompting one veteran meteorologist to quip, "You can go outside and spit and have the same effect as doubling carbon dioxide."

That comment comes from Reid Bryson, founding chairman of the Department of Meteorology at the University of Wisconsin, who said the temperature of the earth is increasing, but that it's got nothing to do with what man is doing.

"Of course it's going up. It has gone up since the early 1800s, before the Industrial Revolution, because we're coming out of the Little Ice Age, not because we're putting more carbon dioxide into the air."

"Anthropogenic (man-made) global warming bites the dust," declared astronomer Ian Wilson after reviewing the newest study, now accepted for publication in the peer-reviewed Journal of Geophysical Research.

The project, called "Heat Capacity, Time Constant, and Sensitivity of Earth's Climate System," was authored by Brookhaven National lab scientist Stephen Schwartz.

"Effectively, this (new study) means that the global economy will spend trillions of dollars trying to avoid a warming of (about) 1.0 K by 2100 A.D.," Wilson wrote in a note to the U.S. Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works Sunday.

He was referring to the massive expenditures that would be required under such treaties as the Kyoto Protocol.

"Previously, I have indicated that the widely accepted values for temperature increase associated with a double of CO2 were far too high, i.e. 2-4.5 Kelvin. This new peer-reviewed paper claims a value of 1.1 +/- 0.5 K increase," he added.

Bryson's and Wilson's comments were among those from a long list of doubters of catastrophic, man-made global warming, assembled by Sen. James Inhofe, R-Okla., and posted on a blog site for the U.S. Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works.

Another leader, Ivy League geologist Robert Giegengack, chairman of the Department of Earth and Environmental Science at the University of Pennsylvania, said he doesn't even consider global warming among the top 10 environmental problems.

"In terms of [global warming's] capacity to cause the human species harm, I don't think it makes it into the top 10," he said. "[Former Vice President Al Gore] claims that temperature increases solely because more CO2 in the atmosphere traps the sun's heat. That's just wrong … It's a natural interplay. As temperature rises, CO2 rises, and vice versa. It's hard for us to say CO2 drives temperature. It's easier to say temperature drives CO2."

Gore made – and stars in – a film about purported global warming, "An Inconvenient Truth," that won an Oscar. It has become mandatory for students in many high schools and colleges.

However, the studies assembled by Inhofe's team said that's not necessarily so, according to the scientists.

"If we were to stop manufacturing CO2 tomorrow, we wouldn't see the effects of that for generations," Giegengack said.

"Carbon dioxide is 0.000383 of our atmosphere by volume (0.038 percent)," said meteorologist Joseph D'Alea, the first director of meteorology at The Weather Channel and former chief of the American Meteorological Society's Committee on Weather Analysis and Forecast.

"Only 2.75 percent of atmospheric CO2 is anthropogenic in origin. The amount we emit is said to be up from 1 percent a decade ago. Despite the increase in emissions, the rate of change of atmospheric carbon dioxide at Mauna Loa remains the same as the long term average (plus 0.45 percent per year)," he said. "We are responsible for just 0.001 percent of this atmosphere. If the atmosphere was a 100-story building, our anthropogenic CO2 contribution today would be equivalent to the linoleum on the first floor."

Former Harvard physicist Lubos Motl added that those promoting the fear of man-made climate changes are "playing the children's game to scare each other."

"By the end of the (CO2) doubling, i.e. 560 ppm (parts per million) expected slightly before (the year) 2100 – assuming a business-as-usual continued growth of CO2 that has been linear for some time – Schwartz and others would expect 0.4 C of extra warming only – a typical fluctuation that occurs within four months and certainly nothing that the politicians should pay attention to," Motl explained.

Joel Schwartz, of the American Enterprise Institute, said, "there's hardly any additional warming 'in the pipeline' from previous greenhouse gas emissions. This is in contrast to the IPCC, which predicts that the Earth's average temperature will rise an additional 0.6 degrees C during the 21st Century even if greenhouse gas concentrations stopped increasing," he added.

"Along with dozens of other studies in the scientific literature, [this] new study belies Al Gore's claim that there is no legitimate scholarly alternative to climate catastrophism. Indeed, if Schwartz's results are correct, that alone would be enough to overturn in one fell swoop the IPCC's scientific 'consensus,' the environmentalists' climate hysteria, and the political pretext for the energy-restriction policies that have become so popular with the world's environmental regulators, elected officials, and corporations. The question is, will anyone in the mainstream media notice?" AEI's Schwartz concluded.

The Senate committee assessment said 2007 could go down in history "as the 'tipping point' of man-made global warming fears."

Meteorologist Joseph Conklin, of the website Climate Police said "global warming" is disintegrating.

"A few months ago, a study came out that demonstrated global temperatures have leveled off. But instead of possibly admitting that this whole global warming thing is a farce, a group of British scientists concluded that the real global warming won't start until 2009," Conklin wrote.

However, a United Nations scientist, Jim Renwick, recently conceded that climate models do not account for the variability in nature, and so are not reliable. And Conklin noted the U.S. National Climate Data Center has compiled data that shouldn't be used, because its reporting points are located on hot black asphalt, next to trash burn barrels and even attached to hot chimneys, a methodology that is "seriously flawed."

WND has previously reported on significant doubts about global warming.

Last September, a leading U.S. climate researcher claimed there's a decade at most left to address global warming before environmental disaster takes place, but the federal government issued a report showing the year 1936 had a hotter summer than 2006.

"The average June-August 2006 temperature for the contiguous United States (based on preliminary data) was 2.4 degrees F (1.3 degrees C) above the 20th century average of 72.1 degrees F (22.3 degrees C)," said the NOAA report. "This was the second warmest summer on record, slightly cooler than the record of 74.7 degrees F set in 1936 during the Dust Bowl era. This summer's average was 74.5 degrees F. Eight of the past ten summers have been warmer than the U.S. average for the same period."

WND also reported on NASA-funded study that noted some climate forecasts might be exaggerating estimations of global warming.

The space agency said climate models possibly were overestimating the amount of water vapor entering the atmosphere as the Earth warms.

The theory many scientists work with says the Earth heats up in response to human emissions of greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide, causing more water to evaporate from the ocean into the atmosphere.

In addition, WND reported that Dr. Fred Singer, professor emeritus of environmental sciences at the University of Virginia, maintains there has been little or no warming since about 1940.

"Any warming from the growth of greenhouse gases is likely to be minor, difficult to detect above the natural fluctuations of the climate, and therefore inconsequential," Singer wrote in a climate-change essay. "In addition, the impacts of warming and of higher CO2 levels are likely to be beneficial for human activities and especially for agriculture."



Title: Re: Sizzling study concludes: Global warming 'hot air'
Post by: Soldier4Christ on August 21, 2007, 09:48:38 AM
They're still not recognizing the NASA mathematical error that once corrected now indicate that the earth has been cooling since 1933.



Title: Re: Sizzling study concludes: Global warming 'hot air'
Post by: Shammu on August 21, 2007, 07:57:13 PM
Global warming, 'hot air' = Al Gore


Title: Ice loss opens Northwest Passage
Post by: Shammu on September 14, 2007, 08:16:13 PM
Ice loss opens Northwest Passage
14 September 2007

The most direct route through the Northwest Passage has opened up fully for the first time since records began, the European Space Agency (Esa) says.

Historically, the passage that links the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans through the Canadian Arctic has been ice-bound.

But the agency says ice cover has been steadily shrinking, and this year's drop has made the passage navigable.

The findings - based on satellite images - have raised concerns about the speed of global warming.

'Extreme'

The Northwest Passage is one of the most fabled sea routes in the world - a short cut from Europe to Asia through the high Arctic.

Recent years have seen a marked shrinkage in its ice cover, but this year it was extreme, Esa says.

It says this made the passage "fully navigable" for the first time since monitoring began in 1978.

"We have seen the ice-covered area drop to just around 3m sq km (1,2 sq miles)," Leif Toudal Pedersen of the Danish National Space Center said.

He said it was "about 1m sq km (386,000 sq miles) less than the previous minima of 2005 and 2006".

"There has been a reduction of the ice cover over the last 10 years of about 100, 000 sq km (38,600 sq miles) per year on average, so a drop of 1m sq km (386,000 sq miles) in just one year is extreme," Mr Pedersen said.

The Northeast Passage through the Russian Arctic has also seen its ice cover shrink and it currently "remains only partially blocked," Esa says.

'Battle for Arctic'

Scientists have linked the changes to global warming which may be progressing faster than expected.

The opening of the sea routes are already leading to international disputes.

Canada says it has full rights over those parts of the Northwest Passage that pass though its territory and that it can bar transit there.

But this has been disputed by the US and the European Union.

They argue new route should be an international strait that any vessel can use.

Ice loss opens Northwest Passage (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6995999.stm)


Title: Re: Ice loss opens Northwest Passage
Post by: Shammu on September 14, 2007, 08:17:31 PM
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The findings - based on satellite images - have raised concerns about the speed of global warming.


All I can say is..........................................

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Title: Climate change helps rainforests
Post by: Soldier4Christ on September 22, 2007, 09:23:14 AM
Climate change helps rainforests
Study of Amazon finds growth spurts 'inconsistent with expectation'

Climate change may lead to lush growth rather than catastrophic tree loss in the Amazonian forests, researchers from the US and Brazil have found. A study, in the journal Science, found that reduced rainfall had led to greener forests, possibly because sunlight levels are higher when there are fewer rainclouds.

But scientists cautioned that while the finding raises hopes for the survival of the forests, there are still serious threats. Climate models have suggested that the forests will suffer as the region becomes drier and will release huge quantities of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere.

Climate models have suggested in the past that the Amazon will suffer enormous die-backs as the region becomes drier and will release huge quantities of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere.

Deforestation is calculated to be one of the main contributors to the rising carbon dioxide levels that are widely held by the scientific community to be causing global warming. The loss of the Amazon would cause enormous quantities of carbon dioxide stored in the vegetation to be released back into the atmosphere, intensifying the warming effect.

Researchers identified the greener regions of the Amazon after analysing satelite images and comparing them to rainfall records. The 2005 drought provided them with “a unique opportunity to compare actual forest drought response to expectation”.

They said: “Large-scale numerical models that simulate the interactions between changing global climate and terrestrial vegetation predict substantial carbon loss from tropical ecosystems including the drought-induced collapse of the Amazon forest and conversion to savanna.

“If drought were to have the expected negative effect on canopy photosynthesis, it should have been especially observable during this period.

“The observations of intact forest canopy ‘greenness’ in the drought region, however, are dominated by a sgnificant increase, not a decline.”

Growth spurts would be “inconsistent with expectation”, they reported in the journal Science, and concluded the reduced rainfall was more than compensated for by extra sunlight.

“These observations suggest that intact Amazon forests may be more resilient than many ecosystem models assume, at least in response to short-term climatic anomolies,” they added.

Further studies will be needed to assess the long-term impacts of changing weather patterns on the Amazon and other forest regions from factors including strong el Nino events and long-term climate change.

Deforestation from logging, legal and illegal, and fires were cited as other threats to the condition of the Amazon forests, especially as the areas pinponted as being in the steepest decline were those that were “heavily impacted by human activites”.


Title: The Bible and 'global warming'
Post by: Shammu on November 05, 2007, 05:39:09 PM
The Bible and 'global warming'

I can certainly understand why neo-pagans like Al Gore believe, despite overwhelming scientific evidence to the contrary, man-made, catastrophic global warming is the gravest threat to the planet.

What I can't understand is why people who claim to believe in the Bible as the inerrant, inspired Word of God do so.

Even more difficult to comprehend is why some evangelical Christians are caught up in the notion that government and international action are the proper methods to fight this phantom threat.

First of all, in Genesis 8:22, we're told of a promise by God never to use global floodwaters again as a means of destroying life on Earth. In that promise, the Bible explicitly states: "While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease."

In other words, no more cataclysmic floods – the result Al Gore promises in the near future as a consequence of global warming. Just as importantly, there is another promise there that cold and heat shall not cease.

What does that mean?

It means God controls the world's temperature, not man. God controls the climate, not man. God controls the earth's "eco-system," not man. God controls our environment, not man.

It is so presumptuous and haughty of believers and non-believers alike to think man is in control of the destiny of the planet God created for us.

If it were so, would he not have warned us? With all of the prophecies in the Bible, should we not expect to be told that such matters are actually in our hands? Why would we be told exactly the opposite throughout scripture?

It's not that the Bible tells us there are no consequences for our actions on the planet. In fact, it quite explicitly does. But it is not the production of carbon dioxide that God finds offensive. It is the commission of sin. Nowhere in the Bible does God ever suggest that producing CO2 is sinful.

Keep in mind, it is not a pollutant. It is a naturally occurring gas – just like oxygen. God created CO2, not man. And nature's God still produces a lot more of it than does man.

In Isaiah 49, in a passage evangelicals believe represent the words of Jesus Himself, there is another promise – that those who follow Him would never perish from the heat of the sun.

"They shall not hunger nor thirst; neither shall the heat nor the sun smite them: for he that hath mercy on them shall lead them, even by the springs of water shall he guide them," it says in Isaiah 49:10.

If cataclysmic global warming represented a real threat to believers, would God have made such a promise through Isaiah?

That is not to say heat will never be used as a means of judgment. In fact, it will be according to the Bible.

We are told in Revelation 16:9: "And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory."

What this means is that scorching heat will be used as a judgment against non-believers, and, most importantly, that God and God alone has the power over such calamities.

Yes, there will come a time when the Earth is destroyed – and intense heat will be the mechanism God employs. But we are not talking about a rise of a few degrees over centuries. We're talking about heat so severe it melts the very elements that comprise the Earth.

That comes in a day that sounds very much like the time in which we live. It is described in 2 Peter 3:3-14

      3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. 5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: 7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. 8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. 10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. 14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

Are today's evangelicals who agree with the worldly that the greatest threat to mankind is represented in catastrophic, man-made global warming without spot and blameless?

It is sheer folly and ego for man to believe he controls the destiny of God's creation. But it is even more disgraceful when those who claim to believe His Word preach a false gospel of global warming that directly contradicts the entire body of scripture.


Title: Re: The Bible and 'global warming'
Post by: HisDaughter on November 05, 2007, 07:01:03 PM
Excellent article!  I enjoyed it very much.  :D


Title: Re: The Bible and 'global warming'
Post by: Eva on November 05, 2007, 07:08:44 PM
The Bible and 'global warming'

First of all, in Genesis 8:22, we're told of a promise by God never to use global floodwaters again as a means of destroying life on Earth. In that promise, the Bible explicitly states: "While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease."

In other words, no more cataclysmic floods...

God controls the world's temperature, not man. God controls the climate, not man. God controls the earth's "eco-system," not man. God controls our environment, not man.

Why would we be told exactly the opposite throughout scripture?

"They shall not hunger nor thirst; neither shall the heat nor the sun smite them: for he that hath mercy on them shall lead them, even by the springs of water shall he guide them," it says in Isaiah 49:10.  If cataclysmic global warming represented a real threat to believers, would God have made such a promise through Isaiah?

That is not to say heat will never be used as a means of judgment. In fact, it will be according to the Bible.

We are told in Revelation 16:9: "And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory."

What this means is that scorching heat will be used as a judgment against non-believers, and, most importantly, that God and God alone has the power over such calamities.

 It is sheer folly and ego for man to believe he controls the destiny of God's creation. But it is even more disgraceful when those who claim to believe His Word preach a false gospel of global warming that directly contradicts the entire body of scripture.

Dreamweaver

I agree it is sad that people, especially Christians, are being deceived.  It reminded me of a couple of scriptures that might explain it though.

Matthew 24:24  For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.  
Mark 13:5  And Jesus answering them began to say, Take heed lest any man deceive you:

Romans 16:18  For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

We really must be careful in these latter days.

Love in Christ, Eva


Title: Re: The Bible and 'global warming'
Post by: nChrist on November 05, 2007, 07:49:11 PM
AMEN AND AMEN!

GREAT POSTS Brother Bob and Sister Eva!

It's wonderful how the Bible puts everything into a proper perspective for Christians. The Holy Bible contains everything GOD wants us to know about the end days of HIS Age of Grace. Our hopes and promises aren't in this world, rather they are IN CHRIST!

When I think of folks like Al Gore, I think about the Scripture below.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Isaiah 5:20-23 NASB
Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness; Who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter! Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes And clever in their own sight! Woe to those who are heroes in drinking wine And valiant men in mixing strong drink, Who justify the wicked for a bribe, And take away the rights of the ones who are in the right!


Title: Re: The Bible and 'global warming'
Post by: Brother Jerry on November 07, 2007, 03:49:25 PM
Hmmm

I have to somewhat agree and disagree.  While I agree that ultimately the fate of this planet is in the hands of God.  I also believe that God would allow us to destroy this planet, and even later in that chapter of Isaiah it mentions just that. It describes in verse 19 "For thy waste and thy desolate places, and the land of thy destruction, shall even now be too narrow by reason of the inhabitants."

And if we look further back in creation we see one of our purposes.  Genesis 2:15 "And the Lord God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it."  Now you could say that man was to keep just the Garden and that did not apply to the rest of the world.  However back in Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth"  Now in that verse it clearly states that man has dominion over the earth.  No where later does the Bible retract that dominion. 

Even later in Genesis 1:28 "...Be fruitful and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it:..."

So yes I believe God has ultimate authority of the fate of this planet.  And I believe that God set in motion many phenomena when He created the Universe.  Many we are just now beginning to witness.  But I do believe that God has given us this planet to take care of.  And I also believe we are doing a terrible job of it.  I also do not believe that global warming is anything that is caused by us humans either. 

It is sort of like my soul.  God has the ultimate authority on my eternal life.  He has given me the soul to take care of.  And it is up to me to decide if I will give it back to Him or destroy it and keep it for myself.  God gave the human race this planet.  Do we give it back to him or destroy it?


Title: Weather Channel Founder: Global Warming ‘Greatest Scam in History’
Post by: Shammu on November 09, 2007, 12:42:00 AM
Weather Channel Founder: Global Warming ‘Greatest Scam in History’
Photo of Noel Sheppard.
By Noel Sheppard | November 7, 2007 - 17:58 ET

If the founder of The Weather Channel spoke out strongly against the man made global warming myth, might media members notice?

We're going to find out the answer to that question soon, for John Coleman wrote an article published at ICECAP Wednesday that should certainly garner attention from press members -- assuming journalism hasn't been completely replaced by propagandist activism, that is.

Coleman marvelously began,

    It is the greatest scam in history. I am amazed, appalled and highly offended by it. Global Warming; It is a SCAM. Some dastardly scientists with environmental and political motives manipulated long term scientific data to create in [sic] allusion of rapid global warming. Other scientists of the same environmental whacko type jumped into the circle to support and broaden the "research" to further enhance the totally slanted, bogus global warming claims. Their friends in government steered huge research grants their way to keep the movement going. Soon they claimed to be a consensus.

    Environmental extremists, notable politicians among them, then teamed up with movie, media and other liberal, environmentalist journalists to create this wild "scientific" scenario of the civilization threatening environmental consequences from Global Warming unless we adhere to their radical agenda. Now their ridiculous manipulated science has been accepted as fact and become a cornerstone issue for CNN, CBS, NBC, the Democratic Political Party, the Governor of California, school teachers and, in many cases, well informed but very gullible environmental conscientious citizens. Only one reporter at ABC has been allowed to counter the Global Warming frenzy with one 15 minutes documentary segment.

    [...]

    I have read dozens of scientific papers. I have talked with numerous scientists. I have studied. I have thought about it. I know I am correct. There is no run away climate change. The impact of humans on climate is not catastrophic. Our planet is not in peril. I am incensed by the incredible media glamour, the politically correct silliness and rude dismissal of counter arguments by the high priest of Global Warming.

    In time, a decade or two, the outrageous scam will be obvious.

Weather Channel Founder: Global Warming ‘Greatest Scam in History’ (http://media.newsbusters.org/stories/weather-channel-founder-global-warming-greatest-scam-history.html?q=blogs/noel-sheppard/2007/11/07/weather-channel-founder-global-warming-greatest-scam-history)


Title: Re: Weather Channel Founder: Global Warming ‘Greatest Scam in History’
Post by: Shammu on November 09, 2007, 12:49:01 AM
We have been saying here at C.U. "Stop Global Warming Whining." It is just a theory, and now proof is out there if anyone looks.


Title: Re: Global Warming Is The Reason For Everything!!
Post by: Soldier4Christ on November 14, 2007, 04:03:13 PM
Founder of Weather Channel disses 'global warming'

A prominent meteorologist with more than 54 years of experience is calling global warming an "outrageous scam" and a "manufactured crisis."



John Coleman has been a television meteorologist since 1953. His credentials include being the first weather forecaster for the television show Good Morning America, and founder of the cable-based network The Weather Channel. Currently, Coleman forecasts the weather for the San Diego television station KUSI.

About six to seven years ago, Coleman says he began to hear about supposed "global warming" and decided to research the subject deeper and to investigate it from a scientific stance in order educate his viewers.

"I'm not talking about reading media accounts. I'm talking about getting down to the basic research papers," he explains. "And the more I read them, the more doubt I had -- and eventually the whole case just collapsed, when you really study the documents. And it became very clear that it was a manufactured crisis."

According to Coleman, the science that supports arguments favoring global warming "has been manipulated" and much of the data has been "manufactured," resulting in what he calls "bad science" that, unfortunately, passed peer review. He argues that the research passed that review only because of an underlying agenda held by scientists. He claims they wish to strike fear of environmental catastrophe if people do not hold to their radical ideas.

In a blog posted on KUSI.com, Coleman dispels that fear by stating that the earth is not in peril. He states that natural cycles in weather are more responsible for any climate change, and that over the next two decades there is an equal chance for a cooling trend as there is for a warming trend. He also believes that once the dire predictions of global-warming scientists fail to pass, people will realize they have been "duped."


Title: Re: Global Warming Is The Reason For Everything!!
Post by: Soldier4Christ on November 14, 2007, 04:04:13 PM
Yet the Weather Channel currently is the biggest proponent of global warming.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Littleboy on November 15, 2007, 10:34:52 PM
Have you seen all the places where they keep these weather monitors that they used to determine
that the Earth was/is warming up?

Next to burn barrels, Buildings, on ASPHALT, car, ect....
Not to say, that we're not warming up though...
OUGH BOY!!!


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on November 15, 2007, 10:48:58 PM
It has been proven that they made a mistake in their calculations at NASA, which is the figures used to support global warming. When the error was corrected it in fact proved that the earth has been cooling not warming.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on November 17, 2007, 05:35:16 AM
Brothers and Sisters,

This is really just a con game being played for over 6 billion taxpayer dollars, and it's working.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on November 17, 2007, 08:18:38 PM
The U.N. jumps on the false global warming band wagon. All the better to control the world in a one world communistic state.

_________________

U.N.: Climate change scarier than science fiction movie 
Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon: Even more terrifying, because 'real'

Proof of humans' impact on warming the earth's atmosphere is unequivocal, and the world faces a moral obligation to fight climate change, according to the final report by the United Nations' leading climate council.

The worst-case scenario envisaged by the report was as terrifying as created in doomsday films, said UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon.

"These scenes are as frightening as a science fiction movie," he said. "But they are even more terrifying, because they are real."

The 23-page document by the UN-backed panel of scientists, issued Saturday, Nov. 17, contained the strongest warnings yet on climate change and "answered many of our questions on climate change," the secretary general said.

New ethic required

IPCC Chairman Rajendra Pachauri pointed out several findings, including the threat rising sea levels posed to small island nations and hundreds of millions of people living in low-lying deltas as well as more infectious diseases and the destruction of coral reefs.

"We need a new ethic by which every human being realizes the importance of the challenge we are facing and starts to take action through changes in lifestyle and attitude," he said. "Every country in the world has to be committed to a shared vision and a set of common goals and actions that will help us move toward a much lower level of emissions."

Ban added that the international community would now have to "transform" its way of doing things in order to save the "treasure of our planet."

The final report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change is essentially a summary of three reports compiled by more than 2,000 scientists and issued by the IPCC earlier this year.

EU Environment Commissioner Stavros Dimas said the report was "a milestone in our scientific knowledge about climate change and the grave threats global warming poses to the planet."

"The report's findings amount to a stark warning that the world must act fast to slash greenhouse gas emissions if we are to prevent climate change from reaching devastating levels," he said in a statement. "The good news is that it also shows that deep emission cuts are both technologically feasible and economically affordable."

Basis for Bali conference

Governments haggled for five days over the wording of this final IPCC document, which environmentalists say will serve as a manual on how to tackle global warming and set the tone for a crucial UN climate conference in Bali, Indonesia next month.

"We cannot afford to leave Bali without such a breakthrough," Ban said, referring to a conference running on the Indonesian island from Dec. 3-14, tasked with setting a strategy for deepening cuts in greenhouse-gas emissions.

Government representatives at the Bali conference are expected to negotiate a successor agreement to the Kyoto Protocol, which requires industrialized countries to make targeted commitments on curbing their greenhouse gases and expires in 2012.

The new IPCC report makes clear that global warming is a man-made phenomenon and is already taking place. It warns of catastrophic and unavoidable consequences if the atmosphere warms by more than 2 degrees Celsius (3.6 degrees F). Global temperatures have already risen about 0.7 degrees Celsius over the last 100 years.

Global warming can only be slowed

To prevent that, the level of carbon dioxide in the world's atmosphere must start dropping by 2020. By 2050, global emissions must be 50 percent to 65 percent below 2000 levels. The IPCC has already said global warming cannot be stopped, only slowed.

Melting glaciers and loss of snow in Alpine regions as well as thinning Arctic summer sea ice and thawing permafrost shows that climate change is already on the march, the IPCC report said.

Some of the newer elements of the report include one combined graphic that at a glance lays out specifically what levels of greenhouse gases lead to what rises in temperatures -- and what consequences each temperature rise could have on society.

Environmental groups pleased

Representatives from environmental protection groups appeared pleased with the study's results.

"The strong message of the IPCC can't be watered down -- the science is crystal clear," said Hans Verolme, director of environmental group WWF's Global Climate Change Program. "The hard fact is we have caused climate change, and it's also clear that we hold the solution to stop global warming in our hands,"

The IPCC was last month awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, along with former US Vice President Al Gore, for raising awareness of the threat of climate change.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: HisDaughter on November 17, 2007, 10:00:47 PM
The U.N. jumps on the false global warming band wagon. All the better to control the world in a one world communistic state.


You and I know there's hidden agenda everywhere.  Everyone on secular earth hasn't all of a sudden gone stupid.  When it comes out that the math was wrong, etc, etc and they all know it, then it is gain for them in some sense.  Satan is working over time and anyone that doesn't believe it just needs to take a look around.  Even my unsaved friends believe we are living in the End Times.  I sure hope they wise up soon and decide they want Heaven over hell.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on November 17, 2007, 11:01:31 PM
Everyone on secular earth hasn't all of a sudden gone stupid.

Really?   ;) :D  Seriously, there are many in the secular world that are seeing through all of this and calling it garbage.


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Even my unsaved friends believe we are living in the End Times.  I sure hope they wise up soon and decide they want Heaven over hell.

Amen!



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on November 18, 2007, 10:10:19 PM
'Global warming' shocker – Who's minding thermometers?
Surface temperature recording stations a shambles, says veteran meteorologist


Dire "global warming" predictions are based on bad science from the very start, says a veteran meteorologist who found surface temperatures recorded throughout the U.S. are done so with almost no regard to scientific standards.

As a result of his shocking initial findings that temperature monitoring stations were constructed and placed without regard to achieving accurate recordings of natural temperatures, Anthony Watts set out to investigate the facilities used by NASA and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

What he found were temperature stations with sensors on the roofs of buildings, near air-conditioning exhaust vents, in parking lots near hot automobiles, barbecues, chimneys and on pavement and concrete surfaces – all of which would lead to higher temperature recordings than properly established conditions.

To qualify as a properly maintained temperature station, sensors must be placed in elevated, slatted boxes on flat ground surrounded by a clear surface on a slope of less than 19 degrees with surrounding grass and vegetations ground cover of less than 10 centimeters high. The sensors must be located at least 100 meters from artificial heating or reflecting surfaces, such as buildings, concrete surfaces and parking lots.

Watts' concerns about the temperatures being used to gauge whether global warming is actually taking place began when he read a 1997 study by the U.S. National Research Council that concluded the consistency and quality of temperature stations was "inadequate and deteriorating." Meanwhile, he learned, the U.S. Historical Climatological Network, responsible for maintaining the stations, was doing nothing to address the problems.

So Watts decided to take up the challenge himself. After surveying a few randomly chosen temperature stations and being shocked at the shortcomings, he set forth on a plan to survey all 1,221 stations, taking photographs along the way. With the help of volunteers, Watts has systematically surveyed one-third of the official weather stations.

The vast majority of the stations surveyed to date fail to meet the prescribed standards. Using a scale of 1 to 5, with 1 reflecting proper maintenance and standards and 5 representing facilities that are severely compromised, Watts says 70 percent of those stations surveyed received a 4 or 5 rating, while only 4 percent received a grade of 1.

All of the most egregious violations he has observed in the study would result in artificially higher temperatures being recorded.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on November 27, 2007, 09:44:46 PM
Global Cooling: World Temps Falling, Lowest Since 1983

The scare over global warming, and our politicians' response to it, is becoming ever more bizarre. On the one hand we have the United Nation's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change coming up with yet another of its notoriously politicised reports, hyping up the scare by claiming that world surface temperatures have been higher in 11 of the past 12 years (1995-2006) than ever previously recorded.

This carefully ignores the latest US satellite figures showing temperatures having fallen since 1998, declining in 2007 to a 1983 level - not to mention the newly revised figures for US surface temperatures showing that the 1930s had four of the 10 warmest years of the past century, with the hottest year of all being not 1998, as was previously claimed, but 1934.

On the other hand, we had Gordon Brown last week, in his "first major speech on climate change", airily committing his own and future governments to achieving a 60 per cent reduction in carbon emissions by 2050 - which is rather like prime minister Salisbury at the end of Queen Victoria's reign trying to commit Winston Churchill's government to achieving some wholly impossible goal in the middle of the Second World War.

Mr Brown's only concrete proposal for reaching this absurd target seems to be his plan to ban plastic bags, whatever they have to do with global warming (while his government also plans a near-doubling of flights out of Heathrow).

But of course he is no longer his own master in such fantasy exercises. Few people have yet really taken on board the mind-blowing scale of all the "planet-saving" measures to which we are now committed by the European Union.

By 2020 we will have to generate 20 per cent of our electricity from "renewables". At present the figure is four per cent (most of it generated by hydro-electric schemes and methane gas from landfill).

As Whitehall officials privately briefed ministers in August, there is no way Britain can begin to meet such a fanciful target (even if the Government manages to ram through another 30,000 largely useless wind turbines).

Another EU directive commits us to deriving 10 per cent of our transport fuel from "biofuels" by 2020. This would take up pretty well all the farmland we currently use to grow food (at a time when world grain prices have doubled in six months and we are already face a global food shortage).

Then by 2009, thanks to a mad gesture by Mr Blair and his EU colleagues last March, we also face the prospect of a total ban on incandescent light bulbs.

This compulsory switch to low-energy bulbs, apart from condemning us to live in uglier homes under eye-straining light, is in practice completely out of the question, because, according to our Government's own figures, more than half Britain's domestic light fittings cannot take them.

This year will be remembered for two things.

First, it was the year when the scientific data showed that the cosmic scare over global warming may well turn out to be just that - yet another vastly inflated scare.

Second, it was the year when the hysteria generated by all the bogus science behind this scare finally drove those who rule over us, including Gordon "Plastic Bags" Brown, wholly out of their wits.

Billions of MoD spending is off target

The great row over under-funding of our forces in Iraq and Afghanistan, led in the Lords by five former Chiefs of the Defence Staff, has so far missed a hugely important part of the story, although it was hinted at by General Sir Mike Jackson when he was interviewed on the Today programme.
# Army funding shortage 'is insult to troops'
# Disabled veterans jeered at swimming pool
# Army crisis as number of troops leaving

Alas, John Humphrys failed to pick up the significance of Jackson's observation that "we may not have enough to do the things which we do now and the things which we may have to do in the future".

The problem with our defence spending in recent years is not that the Ministry of Defence has been starved of cash. On the contrary, it has been earmarking colossal sums for projects designed to equip us to fight imaginary wars in the future, as part of the European Rapid Reaction Force to which Tony Blair and Geoff Hoon committed us around 2000: Ł20 billion on the Navy's two giant carriers (with planes and infrastructure); Ł16 billion on FRES, a new family of vehicles for the Army; not to mention the Ł20 billion already committed to Eurofighters for the RAF.

It was the diversion of resources into planning for that imaginary future that took the eyes of the MoD and the then-Chief of the Defence Staff off the need to equip our forces adequately for the totally different type of insurgency war they have actually been having to fight.

The MoD is belatedly trying to make amends for this disastrous blunder, for instance equipping our troops with properly mine-protected Mastiffs, instead of the unprotected Snatch Land Rovers that have caused so many deaths. It may also help that enthusiasm for the EU's fantasy armed forces of the future has been on the wane.

But no one at the time shared that enthusiasm more obviously (or was happier to send those hopelessly inadequate Land Rovers to Iraq) than the officer who was then Chief of the Defence Staff, General Sir Mike Jackson.

Schools minister neglects homework

Desmond Swayne, MP for New Forest West, tells me of a fearful problem affecting Hampshire schools, which have been told by the county education officer, Ian Beacham, that under new rules teachers must no longer drive pupils in mini-buses unless they have a full "passenger vehicle licence" - "a huge and expensive undertaking which entitles them to drive a coach or bus".
# 'Independent schools monopolise Oxbridge'
# Call to limit middle classes in schools
# Parents spend half of income on school fees

Threatening many extra-curricular activities, such as away sporting fixtures, this is causing such grief that Mr Swayne has asked in Parliament whether it is right that teachers should be forbidden to drive children in this way.

Schools minister Jim Knight didn't know the answer but said he would look into it. Harriet Harman, Leader of the House, suggested that Mr Swayne should move for a debate on the issue.

Had those ministers or Hampshire's education officer learned to use Google, they might have found in seconds that this is all a fuss about nothing. The two relevant EU directives on driving licences, 91/439 and 2003/59, make clear that teachers are exempted from the licensing requirements, as does a leaflet available at the click of a mouse on the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency website.

But does it not say something about the way we now allow our laws to be made in Brussels that neither ministers nor a council official responsible for enforcing them appear to know what those laws say?

• On October 19, 1999 I reported here a remarkable "personal message" sent out to Britain's small businesses over the signature of Nick Montagu, then head of the Inland Revenue Board. He told them how "exciting and important" it was for him and his staff to be "at the forefront of implementing the new Labour Government's policy agenda".

How apt, in light of the mega-grief they are currently causing the Government, that eight years later our incompetent tax-gatherers appear to be playing such a significant part in New Labour's impending downfall.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on November 27, 2007, 11:37:22 PM
Snowfall in Europe

After suffering a delayed and, in some cases, virtually snow less season in 2006-07, European resorts are enjoying record November snowfalls. For once skiers heading for the slopes will find more snow in Europe than in North America.

Switzerland and Austria have had the best of the early snow, with even low-lying resorts, that had previously been drawing up plans for ‘winter hiking’ now able to use their chairlifts.

France is expecting significant snowfalls this weekend, as are parts of Germany; some Italian resorts are already open and Sweden and Norway are also hoping to join the party. Zurich has had its heaviest snow fall since 1955 and in Verbier the town is reporting 40cm (16 inches) of snow, whilst up on the slopes there are reports of 60cm (approx 24 inches).


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on December 05, 2007, 04:22:55 PM
Global warming skeptic rankles fellow scientists 
Best-selling Danish professor says climate change not imminent threat

As world leaders scramble to address global warming, sceptical environmentalist Bjoern Lomborg finds himself increasingly alone in his claim that climate change poses no imminent threat to the planet.

Lomborg, author of the best-selling book "The Sceptical Environmentalist: Measuring the Real State of the World," acknowledges that the climate is warming but insists greenhouse gases "are not the priority over all priorities."

The 42-year-old Dane, who once headed Denmark's Environmental Assessment Institute, has for years been speaking out against the increasingly mainstream concern that global warming is causing sea levels to rise and changing weather patterns in a way that will soon wreak havoc on world ecosystems and all of humankind.

"There are other global challenges to address this century like the battle against AIDS, malaria, malnutrition and poverty," he told AFP.

Lomborg's "Sceptical Environmentalist," which appeared in Danish in 1998 and in English three years later, blasts the growing "hysteria" around climate change and has drawn the ire of virtually the entire scientific community.

"The polar bear, which is close to extinction, has become an icon in the warming debate, when it would be enough to simply stop hunting hundreds (of the animals) each year," said Lomborg, who currently works as an assistant applied statistics professor at the Copenhagen Business School.

He acknowledges that reducing greenhouse gas emissions could prevent damages of 4,820 billion dollars by the end of the century. However, he insists the measures to do so would cost anywhere between 4,575 and 37,632 billion dollars during the same period.

Lomborg figured on Time Magazine's list of the world's most influential people in 2004 and was ranked as the world's 14th most influential academic by the respected US magazine Foreign Policy and the British monthly Prospect a year later.

In his latest book, "Cool It," published this year, the Dane violently attacks the Kyoto Protocol on climate change for being "too expensive and inefficient" and calls on world leaders to "keep their cool" and to avoid "a state of panic that will prevent them from making rational decisions."

Lomborg's claims fly in the face of the UN-sponsored climate change conference on the Indonesian island of Bali, where more than 180 nations will attempt this month to lay the groundwork for a new emissions-reducing pact to replace the Kyoto Protocol when it expires at the end of 2012.

"I don't refute global warming. It is real but has been exaggerated by many. We must stop this climate obsession and address other more urgent problems," he said.

"Reducing CO2 emissions will not make the world a better place to live," he said, insisting that "even if we do achieve the fixed (emission reduction) objectives, we will only slow global warming by two years by the end of the century."

"That's very little for a lot of money," Lomborg said, calling instead for "research into alternative and cheap technologies and energy development to reduce the dependence on fossil fuel pollutants."

"One could also get a lot more for one's money by investing in the fight against AIDS, malaria and famine," he said, insisting that "for every person saved from malaria by hitting the brakes on global warming you could save 36,000 through third world health policies."

Few environmental warriors make the blond-haired Dane fly off the handle like former US vice president Al Gore, who won this year's Nobel Peace Prize with the United Nation's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).

"It is ironic that the prize is being given to someone who spent a good portion of his career considerably exaggerating the conclusions of United Nations' experts" on global warming, he said.

Lomborg also slams Gore's "excesses" in his celebrated film "An Inconvenient Truth," including his claims that sea levels could rise six metres (20 feet) if nothing is done to cool the planet.

"The UN panel talks of 30 centimetres (one foot)," he said.

Lomborg is worshipped as a hero by some, but has become increasingly vilified on the international stage.

Environmental writers and activists in Oxford, England, have for instance created an anti-Lomborg website aimed at exposing what they say are flaws in his analyses.

Among detailed criticisms of his articles and theories, the website also features a picture of Lomborg after he was "pied" at a British bookstore.

Another of his detractors, Tim Flannery, a professor at Macquarie University in Sydney, recently wrote in the Washington Post that "Cool It" was "a stealth attack on humanity's future."


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Shammu on December 05, 2007, 04:35:25 PM
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UN-sponsored climate change conference on the Indonesian island of Bali, where more than 180 nations will attempt this month to lay the groundwork for a new emissions-reducing pact to replace the Kyoto Protocol when it expires at the end of 2012.

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Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on December 08, 2007, 03:03:48 PM
Epic Flood Triggered Ancient "Big Chill," Study Says

An epic gush of fresh water into the North Atlantic slowed a deep ocean current and triggered a century-long chill in Europe and North America some 8,200 years ago, according to a new study.

The finding confirms scenarios suggested by previous models of the ancient climate and should raise confidence in predictions made about how the oceans will respond to Greenland's rapidly melting glaciers, an outside expert said.

Some scientists are concerned that Greenland's fast-melting ice could again slow the deep current, sparking changes in weather around the world ranging from reduced rainfall to a new mini ice age.

The current, called the North Atlantic Deep Water, helps keep Europe's climate mild. It shuttles cold, dense waters from the northern seas to the tropics, allowing the warm surface waters of the Gulf Stream to flow north.

Since fresh water is less dense than cold salt water, climate models suggest a flood of fresh water into the North Atlantic should force the current to slow or shut down.

Scientists suspect the sudden draining of North America's ancient glacial lake Agassiz—which was seven times larger than all of the Great Lakes combined—caused a well-studied cold snap about 8,200 years ago. But evidence that the deep-water current slowed was lacking.

Now, a team of European scientists has found the evidence in the contents of a 39-foot (12-meter) plug of seabed mud pulled from some 11,200 feet (3,400 meters) deep in the northwest Atlantic.

"We show that there's a sudden disruption in the deep circulation which takes place just at the time of the flood outburst," said Helga Kleiven, a paleoclimate expert at the Bjerknes Center for Climate Research in Bergen, Norway.

She and her colleagues report the finding in tomorrow's issue of the journal Science.

Evidence Found in Ancient, Tiny Bugs

Kleiven and her colleagues drilled the core off the southern tip of Greenland, where sediment-rich deep waters slow down and deposit their loads.

"The sedimentation rate is 10 to 15 times higher at these drift sites than they are in the rest of the North Atlantic," Kleiven said.

The researchers identified a section of the core that corresponds to a hundred-year period around 8,200 years ago. The chemistry of the sediment there is unlike that from any other time over the past 10,000 years, Kleiven said.

The sediment grains in this section are also much smaller, suggesting the larger, heavier grains had already fallen out of slower-moving waters or were never picked up.

In addition, oxygen isotopes in the shells of microscopic bugs found in this section suggest the surface water temperature was markedly colder.

"Basically, we have this deepwater response which we see in both chemical and sedimentological properties fitting right in time with the [draining of] glacial lake Agassiz," Kleiven said.

"And also on top of that, by looking at … these little bugs, we strengthen the connection between deep ocean change and the climate anomaly."

Richard Alley is a glaciologist at Pennsylvania State University who originally proposed in 1997 that changes in ocean circulation could have triggered the cooling that occurred 8,200 years ago.

He said the core preserves the short-term record beautifully and corresponds well with the climate record detected in ice cores pulled from Greenland.

"The data are just so clean," he said.

No Day After Tomorrow?

The new findings suggest that the changes in the ocean circulation pattern and cooling of the ocean surface happened over the course of a few decades at most, Kleiven noted.

"The response we see in these deep-ocean changes [is that] they occur on timescales which are rapid enough [that] they could impact human societies," she said.

While no immediate freshwater supply the size of lake Agassiz exists today, Greenland's rapidly melting ice sheets could potentially slow the deepwater current and affect global weather patterns.

A slowing could thrust large portions of Europe and North America into a mini ice age and weaken the monsoon rains in Africa and Asia.

"That's the rain that a couple billion people rely on for crops," Alley said.

This fear has even spilled over to Hollywood, where it inspired the 2004 eco-disaster film The Day After Tomorrow. (Read: "'Day After Tomorrow' Ice Age 'Impossible,' Researcher Says" [May 27, 2004].)

To study the possibility of future freshwater-induced disasters, scientists build computer models based on their understanding of past events like the cooling 8,200 years ago.

The new sediment core findings, Alley noted, suggest that these climate models are accurate.

And this, he added, is good news. When scientists plug the melting rates of Greenland's ice sheets into these models, they indicate catastrophe will most likely be avoided.

As an analogy, he equated potential disasters like a shutdown of the North Atlantic Deep Water to drunk drivers on a dark road.

"We now have confidence that there are fewer drunk drivers out there than we thought there were," he said. "But they're not gone."


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on December 08, 2007, 03:09:08 PM
I noticed two things about this article. One, the epic flood theory they discuss here is more evidence of Noah's flood that actually occurred 4,200 years ago not the 8,200 they attest to. The other is that I knew that they would somehow find a way to blame global warming on another ice age which is just what they are saying here. After all they have to cover themselves and account for all incidents in weather change instead of just admitting that they were wrong.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on December 10, 2007, 12:09:09 AM
I noticed two things about this article. One, the epic flood theory they discuss here is more evidence of Noah's flood that actually occurred 4,200 years ago not the 8,200 they attest to. The other is that I knew that they would somehow find a way to blame global warming on another ice age which is just what they are saying here. After all they have to cover themselves and account for all incidents in weather change instead of just admitting that they were wrong.



 ;D   ;D   It's OK, and it was only a small error that amounts to an opposite. I'm just wondering - is there a Nobel Prize for the BIGGEST LIES?


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Shammu on December 10, 2007, 02:47:12 AM
I'm just wondering - is there a Nobel Prize for the BIGGEST LIES?

Well Al Gore received a Nobel award, for his lies on global warming.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Shammu on December 10, 2007, 03:17:42 AM
Gore caught lying
Posted: December 10, 2007
1:00 a.m. Eastern
by Joseph Farah

The United Kingdom court ruling smacking down Al Gore's "An Inconvenient Truth" as shameless political fantasy unfit for schoolchildren elicited an interesting reaction from the former vice president.

Did he challenge the court's findings?

No.

Did he provide new evidence to bolster his case for any of the specific findings of falsehood and exaggeration by the court?

No.

Did he argue that the court itself was corrupt or incapable of understanding the "science" behind his film?

No.

He didn't do any of those things.

Instead, what Al Gore did was to make scurrilous and unsubstantiated accusations about the concerned parent who brought the case to court, at some personal sacrifice, to protect his child from the mental abuse of being force to watch "An Inconvenient Truth."

Gore spokeswoman Kalee Kreider questioned in a Washington Post online blog whether Dimmock paid for his legal expenses himself or got help from others. Since she could not determine the answer to this question puzzling her, she determined that Dimmock's "motives are quite suspect."

If this is not a case of the pot calling the kettle black, I don't think I've ever seen one.

The people who created and distributed this propaganda film throughout the world are among the wealthiest and most powerful people in the world. And here they are questioning the motives of one obscure parent who battled, like David vs. Goliath, the national education establishment in the United Kingdom and won!

This is the definition of "chutzpah" – Tennessee-style.

Interestingly, Gore himself has publicly said nothing about the court case – nothing! Apparently, he hopes you won't learn about it. He hopes that by not commenting on it, the amazing story of one parent's battle for truth and justice in the United Kingdom will not be heard here in the United States. And, he may have something there.

This story had no legs whatsoever – which is why I am writing about it two days in a row in this space.

A reputable court of law has heard the facts on "An Inconvenient Truth" and found it seriously wanting. That court has determined the movie is unfit for viewing in public schools in the UK without specific and explicit disclaimers explaining that the assertions offered by Gore are not supported by science. And the reaction in the U.S. is like nothing ever happened. The movie is still being shown in classrooms from coast to coast. It is, besides evolution, the very centerpiece of what passes for science education in American schools today!

This raises some questions in my mind:

    * Why isn't Al Gore being hounded in all his public appearances to address this court ruling and its implications?

    * Why isn't he put on the spot in every venue to answer the specific findings of fact?

    * Since Al Gore won't comment nor dispute the court's findings, why aren't his acolytes in Hollywood and elsewhere, all those involved in the film and supporting it, being asked to take up the challenge?

    * Why aren't U.S. parents challenging the showing of this film in schools the way the UK parent-hero, Stuart Dimmock, did?

    * Is there not even one prominent school authority in America who is willing to re-examine his commitment to the educational value of this film in light of the UK court ruling?


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on December 10, 2007, 09:38:25 AM
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This is the definition of "chutzpah" – Tennessee-style.

lol  ...  Let's not put all of the poor Tennesseeans down because of Al Gore. Most of them don't even like him.   :D :D  ;D ;D

;D   ;D   It's OK, and it was only a small error that amounts to an opposite. I'm just wondering - is there a Nobel Prize for the BIGGEST LIES?

Well Al Gore received a Nobel award, for his lies on global warming.

Other winners of a Nobel Prize:

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Thirty-eight Nobel Prize laureates actively support evolution.

Peace, Mohamed ElBaradei, Director General of IAEA, supporter of terrorism

Peace, United Nations and Peace, Kofi Annan

Peace, Yasser Arafat


 ;D ;D  Must be.  ;D ;D





Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: HisDaughter on December 10, 2007, 02:45:46 PM
"Yeah!  I stuck it to 'em good this time!"

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Amazing how some can show their faces when they know that everyone else knows what a lying, thiefing, con man they are.  I would be in hiding somewhere. Actually, I would never have to because I could never do it and be comfortable in my own skin.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on December 10, 2007, 03:21:11 PM
That picture does fit his attitude.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on December 12, 2007, 08:35:23 PM
Huck, Mitt, Rudy, McCain blame you for global warming
GOP frontrunners all believe climate change serious threat


The Republican presidential candidates shown leading the race in recent polls all believe global warming is a serious threat and caused by human activity.

When asked at today's Des Moines Register debate in Iowa to raise their hands if they believed climate change were indeed a real problem caused by people, Sen. John McCain, former Mayor Rudy Giuliani, former Gov. Mike Huckabee and former Gov. Mitt Romney all responded in the positive.

"Climate change is real. It's happening. I believe human beings are contributing to it," Giuliani said, calling for a "Manhattan Project" to wean America off foreign energy sources.

McCain chimed in, saying, "More than contributing, my friend."

"But let me put it to you this way: Suppose that climate change is not real and all we do is adopt green technologies which our economy and our technology is perfectly cable of. Then all we've done is given our kids a cleaner world," McCain said. "But suppose they're wrong and climate change is real and we've done nothing. What kind of a planet are we going to pass on to the next generation of Americans?"

Mitt Romney, who has fallen behind the surging Mike Huckabee in Iowa, said the United States could not act alone.

"We call it 'global warming,' not 'America warming,'" Romney said. "So let's not put a burden on us alone and have the rest of the world skate by without having to participate in this effort. It's a global effort."

Those not raising their hands on the original question of global climate change being a serious threat caused by human activity were former Sen. Fred Thompson, Reps. Ron Paul, Tom Tancredo and Duncan Hunter, and Ambassador Alan Keyes.

When Keyes was asked his thoughts, he gave a long answer condemning the betrayal of U.S. sovereignty, elite politicians and the destruction of the Constitution.

Thompson jumped in to say: "I agree with Alan Keyes' position on global warming."

As the audience laughed, Keyes said: "I think the most emission we need to control is the hot air emission of politicians who pretend one thing and don't deliver."



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on December 12, 2007, 10:31:04 PM
I just wrote a post on this same subject in another thread. There is a HIDDEN, BIG, AND UGLY STORY HERE SOMEWHERE! Is it political suicide to tell the truth on this issue? I want to find out more information on this before I make any further speculation, but folks other than Keyes on that stage knew the TRUTH and LIED! At this point, I can only assume that BIG POWER AND BIG MONEY OR FEAR = LIES! If everyone will remember, there was also a MAGIC TIME that Bush and others also bought the BALONEY, and the BALONEY was being verified as BALONEY at that very time. In fact, it's Court Ordered BALONEY in the UK, and major sources here have already identified it as BALONEY. It looks like BALONEY, smells like BALONEY, and hard evidence has been presented that it IS BALONEY!

I have to find out more. At this point, I'm wondering if any of the candidates are worth voting for. If power and money from BALONEY are more important than the truth, I have no use for a candidate like that. Keyes bluntly told the TRUTH, so what kind of UGLY game is afoot? I've never heard of or seen Keyes before, but he was the only one with the courage to tell the TRUTH!


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on December 12, 2007, 10:54:11 PM
I have heard quite a bit about Alan Keyes. He was a member of the Reagan administration. Ran for Senator against Barack Obama in Illinois. Ran for President in 1996 and 2000. He has a consistent record of being against abortion, homosexuality, terrorists and being pro-Israel.

He has had a long history though of committing political suicide. While running against Obama he made the comment that Jesus would not vote for Obama because of Obamas stance for abortion. It is believed that this statement was the primary reason that he lost that election. His consistent failures in the political arena have not helped him gain in popularity.

He is currently a commentator for World Net Daily and serves on the Board of Advisors for the Catholic League.


I have to find out more. At this point, I'm wondering if any of the candidates are worth voting for. If power and money from BALONEY are more important than the truth, I have no use for a candidate like that.

I agree completely with that. There is something very foul afoot and I don't like the smell of it. It is another of those things though that gives us another sign of the times.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on December 13, 2007, 09:06:33 PM
Gore: U.S. blocking climate talks progress 
At Bali talks says next president will likely be more supportive

Nobel laureate Al Gore said Thursday the United States is "principally responsible" for blocking progress at the U.N. climate conference, and European nations threatened to boycott U.S.-led climate talks next month unless Washington compromises on emissions reductions.

The former vice president urged delegates to take urgent action to reduce emissions of greenhouse gases blamed for global warming, and told them that the next U.S. president will likely be more supportive of international caps on polluting gases.

"My own country, the United States, is principally responsible for obstructing progress here in Bali," said Gore, who flew to Bali from Oslo, Norway, where he received the Nobel Peace Prize for helping alert the world to the danger of climate change.

White House press secretary Dana Perino said Thursday Gore was wrong in blaming the United States for holding up progress. "I think he is incorrect," she said.

Kristen Hellmer, a member of the American delegation in Bali, said of Gore's remarks: "The U.S. is being open and working very constructively with the other countries that are here. We are rolling our sleeves up and really working to come up with a global post-2012 framework."

Earlier, the United Nations warned that time was running out for an agreement aimed at launching negotiations for a successor to the Kyoto Protocol when it expires in 2012 and the talks in Bali were in danger of "falling to pieces."

The United States, Japan and several other governments are refusing to accept language in a draft document suggesting that industrialized nations consider cutting emissions by 25 percent to 40 percent by saying specific targets would limit the scope of future talks.

European nations said they may boycott a U.S.-led climate meeting next month unless Washington compromises.

"No result in Bali means no Major Economies Meeting," said Sigmar Gabriel, top EU environment official from Germany, referring to a series of separate climate talks initiated by President Bush in September. "This is the clear position of the EU. I do not know what we should talk about if there is no target."

The European Union and others say the proposed emissions caps reflect the measures scientists say are needed to rein in global warming and head off predictions of rising sea levels, worsening floods and droughts, and the extinction of plant and animal species.

The U.S. invited 16 other major economies, including European countries, Japan, China and India, to discuss a program of what are expected to be nationally determined, voluntary cutbacks in greenhouse gas emissions.

Perino said that while there were some voices calling for a boycott of the Washington meeting, it did not appear to be the official position of the EU. She said such comments were "not constructive to a conversation where everybody wants to get together for this meeting to talk about a framework for moving forward."

"And it's not just the United States who has expressed concern and surprise that the draft document included a specific reduction number. The specific reduction number was what was supposed to be negotiated after the Bali conference, once a framework was in place," Perino said.

The Bush administration views the major economies process as the main vehicle for determining future steps by the U.S.—and it hopes by others—to slow emissions. But environmentalists accuse the U.S. of trying to undermine the U.N. process.

Gore urged delegates to reach agreement even without the backing of the United States, saying President Bush's successor, who will take office in January 2009, would likely be more supportive of binding cuts.

"Over the next two years, the United States is going to be somewhere it is not now," he said. "I must tell you candidly that I cannot promise that the person who is elected will have the position I expect they will have, but I can tell you I believe it is quite likely."

Gore, who helped in the final negotiation of the Kyoto pact in 1997, also called for implementing a successor agreement two years early, in The first implementation period of the Kyoto pact expires at the end of 2012.

"We can't afford to wait another five years," he said.

U.N. climate chief Yvo de Boer said he was worried the U.S.-EU deadlock could derail the process and that a final "Bali roadmap" would contain an agreement to negotiate a new climate deal by 2009, but may not include specific targets for emission reductions.

"I'm very concerned about the pace of things," he said. "If we don't get wording on the future, then the whole house of cards falls to pieces."

The United States delegation said while it continues to reject inclusion of specific emission cut targets, it hopes eventually to reach an agreement that is "environmentally effective" and "economically sustainable."

It also noted that that the conference was the start of negotiations for a new climate pact, not the end.

"We don't have to resolve all these issues ... here in Bali," said Undersecretary of State Paula Dobriansky, the head of the U.S. delegation.

The United States is the world's largest emitter of greenhouse gases and the only major industrial country to have rejected Kyoto, which expires in 2012. It has been on the defensive since the conference began Dec. 3.

The Kyoto Protocol requires 37 industrial nations to reduce greenhouse-gas emissions by a relatively modest average 5 percent below 1990 levels by 2012.

Bush has argued that the pact would harm the U.S. economy and cutbacks should have been imposed on poorer but fast-developing nations such as China and India.

The talks in Bali are scheduled to wrap up Friday.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on December 15, 2007, 09:06:11 AM
U.S. bows to demands for global warming pact

BALI, Indonesia - In a dramatic finish to a U.N. climate conference, world leaders adopted a plan Saturday for negotiating a new global warming pact by 2009, after the United States backed down in a battle over wording supported by developing nations and Europe.

The U.S. stand had drawn loud boos and sharp rebukes - "Lead ... or get out of the way!" one delegate demanded - before Undersecretary of State Paula Dobriansky reversed her position, clearing the way adoption of the so-called "Bali Roadmap."

"The United States is very committed to this effort and just wants to really ensure we all act together. We will go forward and join consensus," she said.

The sudden reversal was met with rousing applause.

The upcoming two years of talks, which will hammer out a successor to the 1997 Kyoto Protocol, could determine for years to come how well the world will cut emissions of greenhouse gases blamed for global warming. A year of scientific reports have warned that rising temperatures will cause widespread drought, floods, higher sea levels and worsening storms.

"This is the beginning, not the end," U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon said in an interview with The Associated Press. "We will have to engage in more complex, long and difficult negotiations."

The document does not commit countries to specific actions against global warming. It was limited to setting an agenda and schedule for negotiators to find ways to reduce pollution and help poor countries adapt to environmental changes by speeding up the transfer of technology and financial assistance.

All-night negotiations had appeared on the brink of collapse several times. Ban made an urgent plea for progress in the final hours of talks, expressing frustration with last-minutes disputes. He later praised the United States for compromising in the end.

"I am encouraged by, and I appreciate the spirit of flexibility of the U.S. delegation and other key delegations," he told The Associated Press.

European and U.S. envoys dueled into the final hours of the two-week conference over an EU proposal to suggest an ambitious goal for cutting the emissions of industrial nations - by 25 to 40 percent below 1990 levels by 2020.

The guidelines were eliminated after the U.S., joined by Japan and others, argued that targets should come at the end of the two-year negotiations, not the beginning. An indirect reference was inserted as a footnote instead.

Just when it appeared agreement was within reach Saturday morning, developing nations argued that their need for technological help from rich nations and other issues needed greater recognition in the document. China also angrily accused the U.N. of pressuring nations to sign off on the text even as sideline negotiations continued.

In an apparent resolution, India and others suggested minor adjustments in the text that encouraged monitoring of technological transfer to make sure rich countries were meeting that need.

The EU backed the changes, but the United States objected, calling for further talks. Delegates by turns criticized and pleaded with Dobriansky to reverse course.

"We would like to beg them," said Ugandan Environment Minister Jesca Eriyo.

The applause that followed the Dobriansky's reversal was one of the few times the U.S. won public praise at a conference studded with accusations that Washington was blocking progress.

She told reporters later that other delegations had convinced the U.S. that developing nations did not intend to dilute their commitment to take steps to stop global warming.

"After hearing the comments ... we were assured by their words to act," she said. "So with that, we felt it was important that we go forward."

Environmentalists and other critics of the U.S. position cheered the reversal.

"We have learned a historical lesson: if you expose to the world the dealings of the United States, they will ultimately back down," said Hans Verolme, director of WWF's Global Climate Change Program.

For developing countries, the final document instructs negotiators to consider incentives and other means to encourage poorer nations to curb - voluntarily - growth in their emissions. The explosion of greenhouse emissions in China, India and other developing countries potentially could negate cutbacks in the developed world.

The roadmap is intended to lead to a more inclusive, effective successor to the 1997 Kyoto Protocol, which commits 37 industrialized nations to cut greenhouse gases by an average of 5 percent between 2008 and 2012.

The United States - the largest producer of such gases - has rejecting Kyoto, seriously weakening an initiative that scientists agree was already not strong enough to have an impact on the environment. President Bush has argued that the required gas cuts would hurt the economy, and he opposed the lack of cuts imposed on China and other emerging economies.

Critics - including former Vice President Al Gore - accused Washington of stonewalling progress at Bali. But many pointed out that with Bush's departure from office in early 2009, chances were high that the next American president would be much more supportive of ambitious cuts in greenhouse gas emissions.

Another clash at the conference was between rich and poor nations.

Developing nations, led by China, have demanded that industrialized countries - which have grown rich by polluting for many decades - acknowledge their primary responsibility for resolving the problem. Poorer countries fear that they will be forced to sacrifice economic growth for the sake of cleaning up a mess caused by the industrialized world.

Richer nations, meanwhile, are concerned about skyrocketing rates of greenhouse gas emissions in the developing world. China is a primary concern, and many have estimated that it has already eclipsed the United States as the No. 1 emitter.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on December 17, 2007, 03:48:31 PM
Climate change 'hard man' breaks down at summit 
Dutch diplomat in charge of talks burst into tears, led away by colleagues

He is known as the "hard man" of climate-change negotiation.

But after 12 exhausting days of trying to reach a worldwide agreement on reducing greenhouse gas emissions, it was suddenly all too much for Yvo de Boer.

As the 200-nation Bali conference wrangled over a minor procedural matter, the Dutch diplomat in charge of the talks burst into tears and had to be led away by colleagues.

Moments earlier, Mr de Boer had been warning delegates that failure to reach an agreement on global warming could "plunge the world into conflict".

Officials from China, which feels Western countries should do more to reduce their greenhouse gas emissions, accused UN negotiators of ignoring conference protocol.

Mr de Boer, distinctively dressed in a floral shirt, stepped up to the microphone to defend his staff - only to find that the words would no longer come.

As his unfinished sentences trailed away, he broke down and walked off the platform to supportive applause.

"He wasn't just wiping his eyes, he was in floods of tears," said one observer.

"Three colleagues - one of them a woman - formed a protective group around him and escorted him out of the hall. It was all very dramatic."

Mr de Boer's breakdown came after nearly a fortnight of squabbling over proposals to cut carbon emissions.

The European Union went to the conference demanding that industrialised nations commit to cuts in CO2 emissions of 25-40 per cent by 2020, a stance which was strongly opposed by the US, Canada and Japan.

America's representatives had also been jeered for insisting on firmer commitments from developing countries --despite President Bush's refusal to sign up to the previous targets laid down in the Kyoto Protocol in 2001.

In the end, a compromise was reached with a text that did not mention specific targets but acknowledged that "deep cuts in global emissions will be required".

A wave of relief swept the hall as US delegation chief Paula Dobriansky finally declared: "The United States is very committed to this effort and just wants to really ensure we all act together.

"With that, Mr Chairman, let me say to you we will go forward and join consensus."

The resulting treaty, known as the "Bali road map", sets in motion a two-year process of negotiations designed to replace the Kyoto Protocol, which expires in 2012.

Under the deal, a new pact will be agreed at a meeting in Copenhagen in 2009.

By then, members of the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change - the organisation of which de Boer is executive secretary - should have agreed on a comprehensive plan involving wealthy and developing nations.

Environment Secretary Hilary Benn hailed the Bali deal as "an historic breakthrough" and a "huge step forward" in tackling climate change.

But Prime Minister Gordon Brown sounded a note of caution. "The Bali road map agreed today is just the first step," he said. "Now begins the hardest work."

The deal will come as a relief to Mr de Boer, who is known in the Netherlands for his passionate advocacy on the subject.

His reputation as an incisive --and tireless - negotiator has earned him the "hard man" tag.

However, former colleagues said his behaviour in Bali was not entirely out of character.

Political adviser Matthijs Spits said: "We Dutch can become quite emotional --surprisingly so for other nations who think we are cold."


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on December 17, 2007, 03:49:36 PM
If you don't get your way just break down and start crying. I can't believe that our representative bought into this.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on December 18, 2007, 09:24:30 AM
U.S. Experts Insist Global Warming Not Man-Made

A group of US experts stubbornly insist that, contrary to what some of their colleagues believe, humans may not be responsible for the warming of the planet Earth.

These experts believe that global warming is a natural phenomenon, and they point to reams of data they say supports their assertions.

These conclusions are in sharp contradiction to those of the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), which reached its conclusions using largely similar data. (After all the UN can't be wrong.  ::)  )

The UN body of about 3,000 experts ( mostly environmentalists ), including several renown US scientists, jointly won the award with former US vice president Al Gore for their work to raise awareness about the disastrous consequences of global warming.

In mid-November the IPCC adopted a landmark report stating that the evidence of a human role in the warming of the planet was now "unequivocal." (Yep, the sun or other natural occurrences has nothing to do with the weather. )

Retreating glaciers and loss of snow in Alpine regions, thinning Arctic summer sea ice and thawing permafrost shows that climate change is already on the march, the report said.

Carbon pollution, emitted especially by the burning of oil, gas and coal, traps heat from the Sun, thus warming the Earth's surface and inflicting changes to weather systems. ( The sun couldn't do this without carbon pollution trapping that heat. After all earth is the only one experiencing this.  ::)  ::)  )

A group of US scientists however disagree, and have written an article on their views that is published in The International Journal of Climatology, a publication of Britain's Royal Meteorological Society.

"The observed pattern of warming, comparing surface and atmospheric temperature trends, doesn't show the characteristic fingerprint associated with greenhouse warming," wrote lead author David Douglas, a climate expert from the University of Rochester, in New York state.

"The inescapable conclusion is that human contribution is not significant and that observed increases in carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases make only a negligible contribution to climate warming," Douglas wrote.

According to co-author John Christi from the University of Alabama, satellite data "and independent balloon data agree that the atmospheric warming trends do not exceed those of the surface," while greenhouse models "demand that atmospheric trend values be two to three times greater."

Data from satellite observations "suggest that greenhouse models ignore negative feedback produced by clouds and by water vapor, that diminish the warming effects" of human carbon dioxide emissions.

The journal authors "have good reason, therefore, to believe that current climate models greatly overestimate the effects of greenhouse gases."

For Fred Singer, a climatologist at the University of Virginia and another co-author, the current warming "trend is simply part of a natural cycle of climate warming and cooling that has been seen in ice cores, deep sea sediments and stalagmites . . . and published in hundreds of papers in peer reviewed journals."

How these cyclical climate take place is still unknown, but they "are most likely caused by variations in the solar wind and associated magnetic fields that affect the flux of cosmic rays incident on cloudiness, and thereby control the amount of sunlight reaching the earth's surface and thus the climate."

Singer said at a recent National Press Club meeting in Washington that there is still no definite proof that humans can produce climate change.

The available data is ambiguous, Singer said: global temperatures, for example, rose between 1900 and 1940, well before humans began to burn the enormous quantities of hydrocarbons they do today. Then they dropped between 1940 and 1975, when the use of oil and coal increased, he said.

Singer believes that other factors -- like variations of solar winds and terrestrial magnetic field that impact cloud formations and the amount of sunlight reaching the Earth's surface, and thus determining the temperature -- are much more influential than human-generated greenhouse gas emissions.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: HisDaughter on December 18, 2007, 12:48:36 PM
Thank you.  It's encouraging this morning to find that at least we have a few folks left playing with a full deck.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on December 21, 2007, 01:06:01 AM
Hundreds of scientists reject global warming
Basing policy on carbon dioxide levels 'potentially disastrous economic folly'

A new U.S. Senate report documents hundreds of prominent scientists – experts in dozens of fields of study worldwide – who say global warming and cooling is a cycle of nature and cannot legitimately be connected to man's activities.

"Of course I believe in global warming, and in global cooling – all part of the natural climate changes that the Earth has experienced for billions of years, caused primarily by the cyclical variations in solar output," said research physicist John W. Brosnahan, who develops remote-sensing instruments for atmospheric science for clients including the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and NASA.

However, he said, "I have not seen any sort of definitive, scientific link to man-made carbon dioxide as the root cause of the current global warming, only incomplete computer models that suggest that this might be the case.

"Even though these computer climate models do not properly handle a number of important factors, including the role of precipitation as a temperature regulator, they are being (mis-)used to force a political agenda upon the U.S.," he continued. "While there are any number of reasons to reduce carbon dioxide generation, to base any major fiscal policy on the role of carbon dioxide in climate change would be inappropriate and imprudent at best and potentially disastrous economic folly at the worst."

The report compiled observations from more than 400 prominent scientists from more than two dozen nations who have voiced objections to the so-called "consensus" on "man-made global warming."

Many of the scientists are current or former participants in the United Nation's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, whose present officials, along with former Vice President Al Gore, have asserted a definite connection.

The new report comes from the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee's office of the GOP ranking member, and cites the hundreds of opinions issued just in 2007 that global warming and man's activities are unrelated.

"Even some in the establishment media now appear to be taking notice of the growing number of skeptical scientists," the introduction to the Senate report said. "In October, the Washington Post Staff Writer Juliet Eilperin conceded the obvious, writing that climate skeptics 'appear to be expanding rather than shrinking.'"

"Many scientists from around the world have dubbed 2007 as the year man-made global warming fears 'bite the dust,'" the introduction said.

And there probably would be many more scientists making such statements, were it not for the fear of retaliation from those aboard the global-warming-is-caused-by-SUVs bandwagon, the report said.

"Many of my colleagues with whom I spoke share these views and report on their inability to publish their skepticism in the scientific or public media," noted Nathan Paldor, professor of Dynamical Meteorology and Physical Oceanography at Hebrew University in Jerusalem.

He's authored almost 70 peer-reviewed studies, and said, "First, temperature changes, as well as rates of temperature changes (both increase and decrease) of magnitudes similar to that reported by IPCC to have occurred since the Industrial revolution (about 0.8C in 150 years or even 0.4C in the last 35 years) have occurred in Earth's climatic history. There's nothing special about the recent rise!"

At an earlier hearing, Sen. James Inhofe, R-Okla., had confronted Stephen Johnson, administrator of the EPA, about a threatening e-mail from a group that includes the EPA. That e-mail from the American Council on Renewable Energy was addressed to Marlo Lewis, of the Competitive Enterprise Institute, and said, "It is my intention to destroy your career as a liar. If you produce one more editorial against climate change, I will launch a campaign against your professional integrity. I will call you a liar and charlatan to the Harvard community of which you and I are members. I will call you out as a man who has been bought by Corporate America. Go ahead, guy. Take me on."

It was signed Michael T. Eckhart, president of ACORE.

The scientists cited in the new study hail from Germany, Brazil, the Netherlands, New Zealand, France, Russia and the United States, and defied the idea, being carried forward by various political and environmental agendas, that man's activities are endangering the future of the Earth through contributions to a rise in temperatures.

Paleoclimatologist Tim Patterson, professor in the department of Earth sciences at Carleton University in Ottawa, recently converted from a believer in man-made climate change to a skeptic. Patterson noted that the notion of a "consensus" of scientists aligned with the UN IPCC or former Vice President Al Gore is false.

"I was at the Geological Society of America meeting in Philadelphia in the fall and I would say that people with my opinion were probably in the majority," he said.

The report was generated after UN IPCC chief Rajendra Pachauri implied there were only "about half a dozen" skeptical scientists left in the world.

Former Vice President Gore, of course, has likened skeptics of the global-warming philosophy to "flat Earth society members."

But the Senate report noted the scientists who are expressing a dissatisfaction with such generalizations include experts in climatology, geology, oceanography, biology, glaciology, biogeography, meteorology, economics, chemistry, mathematics, environmental sciences, engineering, physics and paleoclimatology.

"Some of those profiled have won Nobel Prizes for their outstanding contribution to their field of expertise and many shared a portion of the UN IPCC Nobel Peace Price with Vice President Gore," the report said.

Besides the Nobel Gore shared over the issue of global warming, he also won an Oscar for his work on "An Inconvenient Truth," which proclaims the validity of man-made global warming and advocates urgent action.

cont'd



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on December 21, 2007, 01:06:19 AM
However, Muriel Newman, director of the New Zealand Centre for Political Research, has told Academy President Sid Ganis and Executive Director Bruce Davis that honor should be withdrawn.

That's because British High Court judge Michael Burton has concluded Gore's documentary should be shown in British schools only with guidance notes to prevent political indoctrination. The decision followed a lawsuit by a father, Stewart Dimmock, who claimed the film contained "serious scientific inaccuracies, political propaganda and sentimental mush."

The Nobel panel honored Gore and the IPCC for their efforts to spread awareness of "man-made climate change."

But the British court pointed to 11 inaccuracies in the production:

"The truth, as inconvenient as it is to Al Gore, is that his so-called documentary contained critical distortions that are quite contrary to the principles of good documentary journalism," Newman said. "Good documentaries should be factually correct. Clearly this documentary is not."

The court ruled the Guidance Notes to Teachers must make clear that:

    * The film is a political work and promotes only one side of the argument.

    * If teachers present the film without making this plain they may be in breach of section 406 of the Education Act 1996 and guilty of political indoctrination.

    * Eleven inaccuracies have to be specifically drawn to the attention of school children.

The inaccuracies, according to the court, include:

    * The film claims that melting snows on Mount Kilimanjaro evidence global warming. The Government's expert was forced to concede that this is not correct.

    * The film suggests that evidence from ice cores proves that rising CO2 causes temperature increases over 650,000 years. The court found that the film was misleading: Over that period the rises in CO2 lagged behind the temperature rises by 800-2000 years.

    * The film uses emotive images of Hurricane Katrina and suggests that this has been caused by global warming. The Government's expert had to accept that it was "not possible" to attribute one-off events to global warming.

    * The film shows the drying up of Lake Chad and claims that this was caused by global warming. The Government's expert had to accept that this was not the case.

    * The film claims that a study showed that polar bears had drowned due to disappearing arctic ice. It turned out that Mr. Gore had misread the study: In fact four polar bears drowned, and this was because of a particularly violent storm.

    * And others.

The new study includes opinions from scientists at Harvard, NASA, NOAA, NCAR, Massachusetts Institute of Technology, the Danish National Space Center, U.S. Department of Energy, Princeton, the EPA, Hebrew University of Jerusalem, the Pasteur Institute in Paris, Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute, the University of Helsinki, Notre Dame, Stockholm University and others.

The study is intended to dispel the validity of such statements as Associated Press reporter Seth Borenstein's description of a scientist as "one of the few remaining scientists skeptical of the global warming harm caused by industries that burn fossil fuels."

"Even if the concentration of 'greenhouse gases' double man would not perceive the temperature impact," said Russian scientist Oleg Sorochtin, of the Institute of Oceanology at the Russian Academy of Sciences. He's authored more than 300 studies, nine books and a 2006 paper titled, "The Evolution and the Prediction of Global Climate Changes on Earth."

"I find the Doomsday picture Al Gore is painting – a six-meter sea level rise, 15 times the IPCC number – entirely without merit," said Hendrik Tennekes, a pioneer at the Netherlands' Royal National Meteorological Institute. "I protest vigorously the idea that the climate reacts like a home heating system to a changed setting of the thermostat: just turn the dial, and the desired temperature will soon be reached."

"The media is promoting an unprecedented hyping related to global warming," added Eugenia Hackbart, the chief meteorologist at the MetSul Meteorologia Weather Center in Sao Leopoldo, Brazil. "The media and many scientists are ignoring very important facts that point to a natural variation in the climate system as the cause of the recent global warming."

Gore, as recently as Nov. 5, has said:

"But when you're reporting on a story like the one you're covering today, where you have people all around the world, you don't take – you don't search out for someone who still believes the Earth is flat and give them equal time. And the reason the IPCC was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, the thousands of scientists who make up that group, have for almost 20 years now created a very strong scientific consensus that is as strong a consensus as you'll ever see in science, that the climate crisis is real, human beings are responsible for it."

A WND reader said perhaps a remedy would be to reissue Gore's Nobel and Academy wards under the designation "best in class for science fiction," or appoint a prosecutor to investigate the extent of fraud committed "at the expense of the global community.

WND earlier reported more than 500 scientists were cited by an analysis of peer-reviewed literature by the Hudson Institute as having published documentation questioning an least one facet of the global-warming agenda.

The assessment supports another study on which WND reported recently, one that revealed carbon dioxide levels were largely irrelevant to global warming. Those results prompted Reid Bryson, founding chairman of the Department of Meteorology at the University of Wisconsin, to quip, "You can go outside and spit and have the same effect as doubling carbon dioxide."

The analysis by Hudson Institute Senior Fellow Dennis Avery said 300 of those scientists have found evidence that a natural moderate 1,500-year climate cycle has produced more than a dozen global warmings similar to the current circumstances since the last Ice Age and that such warmings are linked to variations in the sun's irradiance.

"We appear to be overplaying this global warming issue as global warming is nothing new," wrote B.P. Radhakrishna in the new Senate study. He's president of the Geological Society of India. "It has happened in the past, not once but several times, giving rise to glacial-interglacial cycles."

"The global-warming mania continues with more and more hype and less and less thinking. With religious zeal, people look for issues or evnts to blame on global warming," said Kelvin Kemm, former of South Africa's Atomic Energy Corp.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on December 21, 2007, 01:08:21 AM
There are more and more reputable scientists that are coming forward by the day that are standing up to the fake political agendas (the money grabbers) that are supporting the gabage science of global warming.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on December 21, 2007, 01:11:43 AM
Has global warming stopped?
'Temperature of 2007 is statistically the same as 2006 and every year since 2001'

Global warming stopped? Surely not. What heresy is this? Haven’t we been told that the science of global warming is settled beyond doubt and that all that’s left to the so-called sceptics is the odd errant glacier that refuses to melt?

Aren’t we told that if we don’t act now rising temperatures will render most of the surface of the Earth uninhabitable within our lifetimes? But as we digest these apocalyptic comments, read the recent IPCC’s Synthesis report that says climate change could become irreversible. Witness the drama at Bali as news emerges that something is not quite right in the global warming camp.

With only few days remaining in 2007, the indications are the global temperature for this year is the same as that for 2006 – there has been no warming over the 12 months.

But is this just a blip in the ever upward trend you may ask? No.

The fact is that the global temperature of 2007 is statistically the same as 2006 as well as every year since 2001. Global warming has, temporarily or permanently, ceased. Temperatures across the world are not increasing as they should according to the fundamental theory behind global warming – the greenhouse effect. Something else is happening and it is vital that we find out what or else we may spend hundreds of billions of pounds needlessly.

In principle the greenhouse effect is simple. Gases like carbon dioxide present in the atmosphere absorb outgoing infrared radiation from the earth’s surface causing some heat to be retained.

Consequently an increase in the atmospheric concentration of greenhouse gases from human activities such as burning fossil fuels leads to an enhanced greenhouse effect. Thus the world warms, the climate changes and we are in trouble.

The evidence for this hypothesis is the well established physics of the greenhouse effect itself and the correlation of increasing global carbon dioxide concentration with rising global temperature. Carbon dioxide is clearly increasing in the Earth’s atmosphere. It’s a straight line upward. It is currently about 390 parts per million. Pre-industrial levels were about 285 ppm. Since 1960 when accurate annual measurements became more reliable it has increased steadily from about 315 ppm. If the greenhouse effect is working as we think then the Earth’s temperature will rise as the carbon dioxide levels increase.

But here it starts getting messy and, perhaps, a little inconvenient for some. Looking at the global temperatures as used by the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, the UK’s Met Office and the IPCC (and indeed Al Gore) it’s apparent that there has been a sharp rise since about 1980.

The period 1980-98 was one of rapid warming – a temperature increase of about 0.5 degrees C (CO2 rose from 340ppm to 370ppm). But since then the global temperature has been flat (whilst the CO2 has relentlessly risen from 370ppm to 380ppm). This means that the global temperature today is about 0.3 deg less than it would have been had the rapid increase continued.

For the past decade the world has not warmed. Global warming has stopped. It’s not a viewpoint or a sceptic’s inaccuracy. It’s an observational fact. Clearly the world of the past 30 years is warmer than the previous decades and there is abundant evidence (in the northern hemisphere at least) that the world is responding to those elevated temperatures. But the evidence shows that global warming as such has ceased.

The explanation for the standstill has been attributed to aerosols in the atmosphere produced as a by-product of greenhouse gas emission and volcanic activity. They would have the effect of reflecting some of the incidental sunlight into space thereby reducing the greenhouse effect. Such an explanation was proposed to account for the global cooling observed between 1940 and 1978.

But things cannot be that simple. The fact that the global temperature has remained unchanged for a decade requires that the quantity of reflecting aerosols dumped put in our atmosphere must be increasing year on year at precisely the exact rate needed to offset the accumulating carbon dioxide that wants to drive the temperature higher. This precise balance seems highly unlikely. Other explanations have been proposed such as the ocean cooling effect of the Interdecadal Pacific Oscillation or the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation.

But they are also difficult to adjust so that they exactly compensate for the increasing upward temperature drag of rising CO2. So we are led to the conclusion that either the hypothesis of carbon dioxide induced global warming holds but its effects are being modified in what seems to be an improbable though not impossible way, or, and this really is heresy according to some, the working hypothesis does not stand the test of data.

It was a pity that the delegates at Bali didn’t discuss this or that the recent IPCC Synthesis report did not look in more detail at this recent warming standstill. Had it not occurred, or if the flatlining of temperature had occurred just five years earlier we would have no talk of global warming and perhaps, as happened in the 1970’s, we would fear a new Ice Age! Scientists and politicians talk of future projected temperature increases. But if the world has stopped warming what use these projections then?

Some media commentators say that the science of global warming is now beyond doubt and those who advocate alternative approaches or indeed modifications to the carbon dioxide greenhouse warming effect had lost the scientific argument. Not so.

Certainly the working hypothesis of CO2 induced global warming is a good one that stands on good physical principles but let us not pretend our understanding extends too far or that the working hypothesis is a sufficient explanation for what is going on.

I have heard it said, by scientists, journalists and politicians, that the time for argument is over and that further scientific debate only causes delay in action. But the wish to know exactly what is going on is independent of politics and scientists must never bend their desire for knowledge to any political cause, however noble.

The science is fascinating, the ramifications profound, but we are fools if we think we have a sufficient understanding of such a complicated system as the Earth’s atmosphere’s interaction with sunlight to decide. We know far less than many think we do or would like you to think we do. We must explain why global warming has stopped.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on December 21, 2007, 01:14:45 AM
From what I've seen in my own area is actually colder temperatures and more snow and ice than recorded in many years. In fact many temperature low records have been broken this year. This of course is not an indication of the overall conditions world wide but it does appear that we may be on a decline in the warming aspect and returning to a cooling condition. As a number of scientists have said it is cyclical conditions.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Shammu on December 21, 2007, 01:02:22 PM
From what I've seen in my own area is actually colder temperatures and more snow and ice than recorded in many years. In fact many temperature low records have been broken this year. This of course is not an indication of the overall conditions world wide but it does appear that we may be on a decline in the warming aspect and returning to a cooling condition. As a number of scientists have said it is cyclical conditions.



Careful there brother, I remember when that happened back in the 70's. People were screaming that we were heading into an "Ice Age." ;D :o ;) ;D ;D


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Shammu on December 21, 2007, 01:09:11 PM
Scientists doubt climate change


December 21, 2007

By S.A. Miller - More than 400 scientists challenge claims by former Vice President Al Gore and the United Nations about the threat of man-made global warming, a new Senate minority report says.

The scientists — many of whom are current or former members of the U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) that shares the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize with Mr. Gore for publicizing a climate crisis — cast doubt on the "scientific consensus" that man-made global warming imperils the planet.

"I find the Doomsday picture Al Gore is painting — a six-meter sea level rise, 15 times the IPCC number — entirely without merit," said Dutch atmospheric scientist Hendrik Tennekes, one of the researchers quoted in the report by Republican staff of the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee.

"I protest vigorously the idea that the climate reacts like a home heating system to a changed setting of the thermostat: just turn the dial, and the desired temperature will soon be reached," Mr. Tennekes said in the report.

Sen. James M. Inhofe of Oklahoma, ranking Republican on the Environment and Public Works Committee, said the report debunks Mr. Gore's claim that the "debate is over."

"The endless claims of a 'consensus' about man-made global warming grow less-and-less credible every day," he said.

After a quick review of the report, Gore spokeswoman Kalee Kreider said 25 or 30 of the scientists may have received funding from Exxon Mobil Corp.

Exxon Mobil spokesman Gantt H. Walton dismissed the accusation, saying the company is concerned about climate-change issues and does not pay scientists to bash global-warming theories.

"Recycling of that kind of discredited conspiracy theory is nothing more than a distraction from the real challenge facing society and the energy industry," he said. "And that challenge is how are we going to provide the energy needed to support economic and social development while reducing greenhouse-gas emissions."

The Republican report comes on the heels of Saturday's United Nations climate conference in Bali, Indonesia, where conferees adopted a plan to negotiate a new pact to create verifiable measurements to fight global warming in two years.

In the Senate report, environmental scientist David W. Schnare of the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency said he was skeptical because "conclusions about the cause of the apparent warming stand on the shoulders of incredibly uncertain data and models. ... As a policy matter, one has to be less willing to take extreme actions when data are highly uncertain."

The hundreds of others in the report — climatologists, oceanographers, geologists, glaciologists, physicists and paleoclimatologists — voice varying degrees of criticism of the popular global-warming theory. Their testimony challenges the idea that the climate-change debate is "settled" and runs counter to the claim that the number of skeptical scientists is dwindling.

The report's authors expect some of the scientists will recant their remarks under intense pressure from the public and from within professional circles to conform to the global-warming theory, a committee staffer said.

Several scientists in the report said many colleagues share their skepticism about man-made climate change but don't speak out publicly for fear of retribution, according to the report.

"Many of my colleagues with whom I spoke share these views and report on their inability to publish their skepticism in the scientific or public media," atmospheric scientist Nathan Paldor, professor of Dynamical Meteorology and Physical Oceanography at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, said in the report.

The IPCC has about 2,500 members.

HEATED DEBATE

The following are comments from some of the more than 400 scientists in a Republican report on global warming:

•"Even if the concentration of 'greenhouse gases' double, man would not perceive the temperature impact."

Oleg Sorochtin of the Institute of Oceanology at the Russian Academy of Sciences

•"I find the Doomsday picture Al Gore is painting — a six-meter sea level rise, 15 times the [U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change] number — entirely without merit. ... I protest vigorously the idea that the climate reacts like a home heating system to a changed setting of the thermostat: just turn the dial, and the desired temperature will soon be reached."

Atmospheric scientist Hendrik Tennekes, former research director at the Netherlands' Royal National Meteorological Institute

•"The hypothesis that solar variability and not human activity is warming the oceans goes a long way to explain the puzzling idea that the Earth's surface may be warming while the atmosphere is not. The [greenhouse-gas] hypothesis does not do this. ... The public is not well served by this constant drumbeat of false alarms fed by computer models manipulated by advocates."

David Wojick, expert reviewer for U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change

•"The media is promoting an unprecedented hyping related to global warming. The media and many scientists are ignoring very important facts that point to a natural variation in the climate system as the cause of the recent global warming."

Chief Meteorologist Eugenio Hackbart of the MetSul Meteorologia Weather Center in Sao Leopoldo-Rio Grande do Sul, Brazil

•"There's no need to be worried. It's very interesting to study [climate change], but there's no need to be worried."

Anton Uriarte, a professor of physical geography at the University of the Basque Country in Spain

Scientists doubt climate change (http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071221/NATION/844993096/-1/RSS_NATION_POLITICS&template=printart)


Title: U.S. Senate Report: Over 400 Prominent Scientists Disputed Man-Made Global Warmi
Post by: Shammu on December 21, 2007, 01:18:32 PM
U.S. Senate Report: Over 400 Prominent Scientists Disputed Man-Made Global Warming Claims in 2007

Senate Report Debunks "Consensus"

Report Released on December 20, 2007

U.S. Senate Environment and Public Works Committee (Minority)

INTRODUCTION:     

Over 400 prominent scientists from more than two dozen countries recently voiced significant objections to major aspects of the so-called "consensus" on man-made global warming. These scientists, many of whom are current and former participants in the UN IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change), criticized the climate claims made by the UN IPCC and former Vice President Al Gore. 

The new report issued by the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee's office of the GOP Ranking Member details the views of the scientists, the overwhelming majority of whom spoke out in 2007.

Even some in the establishment media now appear to be taking notice of the growing number of skeptical scientists. In October, the Washington Post Staff Writer Juliet Eilperin conceded the obvious, writing that climate skeptics "appear to be expanding rather than shrinking." Many scientists from around the world have dubbed 2007 as the year man-made global warming fears "bite the dust." (LINK)  In addition, many scientists who are also progressive environmentalists believe climate fear promotion has "co-opted" the green movement.

This blockbuster Senate report lists the scientists by name, country of residence, and academic/institutional affiliation.  It also features their own words, biographies, and weblinks to their peer reviewed studies and original source materials as gathered from public statements, various news outlets, and websites in 2007. This new "consensus busters" report is poised to redefine the debate.

Many of the scientists featured in this report consistently stated that numerous colleagues shared their views, but they will not speak out publicly for fear of retribution. Atmospheric scientist Dr. Nathan Paldor, Professor of Dynamical Meteorology and Physical Oceanography at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, author of almost 70 peer-reviewed studies, explains how many of his fellow scientists have been intimidated.

"Many of my colleagues with whom I spoke share these views and report on their inability to publish their skepticism in the scientific or public media," Paldor wrote.  [Note: See also July 2007 Senate report detailing how skeptical scientists have faced threats and intimidation - linjk (http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=04373015-802A-23AD-4BF9-C3F02278F4CF)

Scientists from Around the World Dissent 

This new report details how teams of international scientists are dissenting from the UN IPCC's view of climate science. In such nations as Germany, Brazil, the Netherlands, Russia, New Zealand and France, nations, scientists banded together in 2007 to oppose climate alarmism. In addition, over 100 prominent international scientists sent an open letter in December 2007 to the UN stating attempts to control climate were "futile."

Paleoclimatologist Dr. Tim Patterson, professor in the department of Earth Sciences at Carleton University in Ottawa, recently converted from a believer in man-made climate change to a skeptic. Patterson noted that the notion of a "consensus" of scientists aligned with the UN IPCC or former Vice President Al Gore is false. "I was at the Geological Society of America meeting in Philadelphia in the fall and I would say that people with my opinion were probably in the majority."

This new committee report, a first of its kind, comes after the UN IPCC chairman Rajendra Pachauri implied that there were only “about a dozen" skeptical scientists left in the world. Former Vice President Gore has claimed that scientists skeptical of climate change are akin to "flat Earth society members" and similar in number to those who "believe the moon landing was actually staged in a movie lot in Arizona."

The distinguished scientists featured in this new report are experts in diverse fields, including: climatology; oceanography; geology; biology; glaciology; biogeography; meteorology; oceanography; economics; chemistry; mathematics; environmental sciences; engineering; physics and paleoclimatology. Some of those profiled have won Nobel Prizes for their outstanding contribution to their field of expertise and many shared a portion of the UN IPCC Nobel Peace Prize with Vice President Gore.

Additionally, these scientists hail from prestigious institutions worldwide, including: Harvard University; NASA; National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) and the National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR); Massachusetts Institute of Technology; the UN IPCC;  the Danish National Space Center; U.S. Department of Energy; Princeton University; the Environmental Protection Agency; University of Pennsylvania; Hebrew University of Jerusalem; the International Arctic Research Centre; the Pasteur Institute in Paris; the Belgian Weather Institute; Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute; the University of Helsinki; the National Academy of Sciences of the U.S., France, and Russia; the University of Pretoria; University of Notre Dame; Stockholm University; University of Melbourne; Columbia University; the World Federation of Scientists; and the University of London.

The voices of many of these hundreds of scientists serve as a direct challenge to the often media-hyped "consensus" that the debate is "settled."

There is about 12 more posts, which I don't feel like making. You can read the full report @ U.S. Senate Report: Over 400 Prominent Scientists Disputed Man-Made Global Warming Claims in 2007   (http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.SenateReport) or here with the introduction, U.S. Senate Report: Over 400 Prominent Scientists Disputed Man-Made Global Warming Claims in 2007   (http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=f80a6386-802a-23ad-40c8-3c63dc2d02cb)


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Shammu on December 21, 2007, 01:44:22 PM
Off the weatherbug on my computer...... Who says it doesn't snow in Arizona...... ;)

SNOW ADVISORY IN EFFECT UNTIL 5 PM MST THIS AFTERNOON

Event Start: 11:31AM MST, Friday Dec 21, 2007
Event End: 5:00PM MST, Friday Dec 21, 2007

Back to summary
SNOW ADVISORY IN EFFECT
UNTIL 5 PM MST THIS AFTERNOON
Wswfgz

Urgent - Winter Weather Message National Weather Service Flagstaff AZ 1131 AM MST Fri Dec 21 2007

Little Colorado River Valley In Navajo County- Little Colorado River Valley In Apache County- Including The Cities Of... Winslow... Holbrook... Snowflake... St. Johns... Springerville 1131 AM MST Fri Dec 21 2007

... Snow Advisory In Effect Until 5 PM MST This Afternoon...

The National Weather Service In Flagstaff Has Issued A Snow Advisory... Which Is In Effect Until 5 PM MST This Afternoon.

A Low Pressure Trough Is Moving Through Central Arizona Producing Heavy Snow Showers Across The Southeastern Portions Of The Little Colorado River Valley. Snow Accumulations Are Expected To Be In The 1 To 2 Inch Range With Locally Higher Amounts Over The Next Several Hours.

Driving Conditions On Local Area Roadways Will Be Difficult As Roads Will Be Slick And Visibilities Will Be Reduced To Hundreds Of Feet In The Heaviest Showers.

A Snow Advisory Means That Periods Of Snow Will Likely Cause Travel Difficulties. Be Prepared For Snow Covered Roads And Limited Visibilities... Plan Extra Time For Travel... And Use Caution While Driving. Consider Taking Extra Winter Clothing And Other Emergency Supplies In Your Vehicle.

Bulletin Issued: 11:31AM MST, Friday Dec 21, 2007
Bulletin Expired: 5:00PM MST, Friday Dec 21, 2007
~~~~~~~~~~

Thats why I'm home early, I learned to listen to my body. :D  Though 1-2 inches of snow is nothing, to some of the places I've been.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on December 22, 2007, 12:59:01 PM
Gore camp suggests scientists bought off
Report called global warming worries 'entirely without merit'


A spokeswoman for former Vice President Al Gore has suggested that scientists cited in a new Senate minority report that calls global warming worries "entirely without merit" have been bought off. Liberal speak meaning "I couldn't buy them off."   ;D

The U.S. Senate report documents hundreds of prominent scientists – experts in dozens of fields of study worldwide – who say global warming and cooling is a cycle of nature and cannot legitimately be connected to man's activities.

But Gore spokeswoman Kalee Kreider told the Washington Times that after a quick review, about 25 or 30 of the scientists cited in the report may have received funding from Exxon Mobil Corp.

However, Mobil spokesman Gantt H. Walton dismissed the claim, telling the newspaper the company is concerned about climate change reports, and doesn't pay scientists to "bash global-warming theories."

"Recycling of that kind of discredited conspiracy theory is nothing more than a distraction from the real challenge facing society and the energy industry," he told the Times. "And that challenge is how are we going to provide the energy needed to support economic and social development while reducing greenhouse-gas emissions."

A spokesman for Gore declined WND requests for additional comment on the issue.

"I find the Doomsday picture Al Gore is painting – a six-meter sea level rise, 15 times the IPCC number – entirely without merit," Hendrik Tennekes, a pioneer at the Netherlands' Royal National Meteorological Institute, said in the report . "I protest vigorously the idea that the climate reacts like a home heating system to a changed setting of the thermostat: just turn the dial, and the desired temperature will soon be reached."

"Of course I believe in global warming, and in global cooling – all part of the natural climate changes that the Earth has experienced for billions of years, caused primarily by the cyclical variations in solar output," said research physicist John W. Brosnahan, who develops remote-sensing instruments for atmospheric science for clients including the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and NASA.

However, he said, "I have not seen any sort of definitive, scientific link to man-made carbon dioxide as the root cause of the current global warming, only incomplete computer models that suggest that this might be the case.

"Even though these computer climate models do not properly handle a number of important factors, including the role of precipitation as a temperature regulator, they are being (mis-)used to force a political agenda upon the U.S.," he continued. "While there are any number of reasons to reduce carbon dioxide generation, to base any major fiscal policy on the role of carbon dioxide in climate change would be inappropriate and imprudent at best and potentially disastrous economic folly at the worst."

The report from the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee's office of the GOP ranking member cited more than 400 prominent scientists in dozens of fields of study from more than two dozen nations around the world who voiced objections to the so-called "consensus" on "man-made global warming," the subject of Gore's award-winning film "An Inconvenient Truth."

Gore, of course, has likened skeptics of the global-warming philosophy to "flat Earth society members."

As recently as Nov. 5, he said:

"But when you're reporting on a story like the one you're covering today, where you have people all around the world, you don't take – you don't search out for someone who still believes the Earth is flat and give them equal time. And the reason the IPCC was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, the thousands of scientists who make up that group, have for almost 20 years now created a very strong scientific consensus that is as strong a consensus as you'll ever see in science, that the climate crisis is real, human beings are responsible for it."

The Senate report, however, noted the scientists who are expressing a dissatisfaction with such generalizations include experts in climatology, geology, oceanography, biology, glaciology, biogeography, meteorology, economics, chemistry, mathematics, environmental sciences, engineering, physics and paleoclimatology.

"Some of those profiled have won Nobel Prizes for their outstanding contribution to their field of expertise and many shared a portion of the UN IPCC Nobel Peace Price with Vice President Gore," the report said.

Besides the Nobel Gore shared over the issue of global warming, he also won an Oscar for his work on "An Inconvenient Truth," which proclaims the validity of man-made global warming and advocates urgent action.

And there probably would be many more scientists making such statements, were it not for the fear of retaliation from those aboard the global-warming-is-caused-by-SUVs bandwagon, the report said.

"Many of my colleagues with whom I spoke share these views and report on their inability to publish their skepticism in the scientific or public media," noted Nathan Paldor, professor of Dynamical Meteorology and Physical Oceanography at Hebrew University in Jerusalem.

He's authored almost 70 peer-reviewed studies, and said, "First, temperature changes, as well as rates of temperature changes (both increase and decrease) of magnitudes similar to that reported by IPCC to have occurred since the Industrial revolution (about 0.8C in 150 years or even 0.4C in the last 35 years) have occurred in Earth's climatic history. There's nothing special about the recent rise!"

Members of the U.S. Senate earlier had noted an e-mail from a global warming theory supporter to a critic, threatening to "destroy your career … if you produce one more editorial against climate change."

Paleoclimatologist Tim Patterson, professor in the department of Earth sciences at Carleton University in Ottawa, recently converted from a believer in man-made climate change to a skeptic. Patterson noted that the notion of a "consensus" of scientists aligned with United Nations climate change advocates or former is false.

cont'd



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on December 22, 2007, 12:59:39 PM
"I was at the Geological Society of America meeting in Philadelphia in the fall and I would say that people with my opinion were probably in the majority," he said.

The report was generated after UN IPCC chief Rajendra Pachauri implied there were only "about half a dozen" skeptical scientists left in the world.

A ruling from British High Court Judge Michael Burton also has restricted the showing of Gore's film in British schools so that it includes guidance notes to prevent political indoctrination.

The British court said the production includes 11 inaccuracies, including:

    * The film claims that melting snows on Mount Kilimanjaro evidence global warming. The Government's expert was forced to concede that this is not correct.

    * The film suggests that evidence from ice cores proves that rising CO2 causes temperature increases over 650,000 years. The court found that the film was misleading: Over that period the rises in CO2 lagged behind the temperature rises by 800-2000 years.

    * The film uses emotive images of Hurricane Katrina and suggests that this has been caused by global warming. The Government's expert had to accept that it was "not possible" to attribute one-off events to global warming.

    * The film shows the drying up of Lake Chad and claims that this was caused by global warming. The Government's expert had to accept that this was not the case.

    * The film claims that a study showed that polar bears had drowned due to disappearing arctic ice. It turned out that Mr. Gore had misread the study: In fact four polar bears drowned, and this was because of a particularly violent storm.

    * And others.

The new study includes opinions from scientists at Harvard, NASA, NOAA, NCAR, Massachusetts Institute of Technology, the Danish National Space Center, U.S. Department of Energy, Princeton, the EPA, Hebrew University of Jerusalem, the Pasteur Institute in Paris, Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute, the University of Helsinki, Notre Dame, Stockholm University and others.

"Even if the concentration of 'greenhouse gases' double man would not perceive the temperature impact," said Russian scientist Oleg Sorochtin, of the Institute of Oceanology at the Russian Academy of Sciences. He's authored more than 300 studies, nine books and a 2006 paper titled, "The Evolution and the Prediction of Global Climate Changes on Earth."

WND earlier reported more than 500 scientists were cited by an analysis of peer-reviewed literature by the Hudson Institute as having published documentation questioning an least one facet of the global-warming agenda.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on December 22, 2007, 06:44:43 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/randers/bear071207_600x495.jpg)


This is the photo that became a symbol of global warming: polar bears stranded on a melting ice-floe in mid-winter. The truth? It was taken in mid-summer when such scenes are quite normal and have been for many, many years.

The polar bear population was down to between 5,000 and 10,000 (estimated) by 1970 due to over-hunting. The current population has risen to 25,000. Just another environmentalist lie.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on December 25, 2007, 09:59:07 AM
Ski town's flame too hot for global warming cops
Mayor targets downtown attraction for extinction
Posted: December 25, 2007
1:00 a.m. Eastern


© 2007 WorldNetDaily.com

In the mountain resort of Aspen, where mansions each pump out more than 600 pounds of carbon dioxide annually, and jets delivering the rich and famous to their second homes add another 300,000 tons, the mayor is trying to eliminate a natural-gas fueled flame in an open municipal hearth in downtown that is intended to provide ambience.

"This isn't Arlington National Cemetery. It's not the eternal flame," Mayor Mick Ireland told the Denver Post. "It's a symbol like if the mayor were to run around in a Range Rover."

The flame was installed about 18 months ago amid the hoopla of increasing the city's "vibrancy" and "to encourage pedestrians to linger in Aspen's downtown center."

But it emits an estimated nine pounds or so of carbon dioxide every year, so even at its launching, the city acknowledged, "it is important to note that the city recognizes and acknowledges the energy use and the resulting greenhouse gas emissions from this project. However, the balance between creating vibrancy and managing our energy consumption is an ongoing and conscious effort we take very seriously. So, as part of our effort to reduce our overall greenhouse gas emissions as outlined in the Canary Initiative, the city will be offsetting the emissions from the Community Fire Hearth by purchasing renewable energy credits equal to the electricity and natural gas emissions from the hearth."

But Ireland told the newspaper it's insensitive to burn natural gas, and made the extinguishment of the flame part of his recent campaign. A week ago he called for a vote to kill the light, but it failed, 3-2, meaning city workers will return to their brainstorming to find some way to make the hearth "environmentally acceptable."

The Aspen campaign against global warming is turned on high despite a recent report from the U.S. Senate that documents hundreds of prominent scientists – experts in dozens of fields of study worldwide – who say global warming and cooling is a cycle of nature and cannot legitimately be connected to man's activities.

Ireland said the natural gas used by the attraction sends the wrong message in a town trying to cut its carbon emissions, through a city effort called the Canary Initiative. The goal is to cut city carbon emissions more than 80 percent over the next 43 years.

The city already has held a contest to generate ideas for alternative sources of energy for the feature. It offered $500 cash and a $500 gift certificate for home energy efficiency appliances, but there were no winners.

The newspaper said the city concluded biofuels would use too much energy in development and delivery, cooking grease wasn't practical, burning wood releases too many particulates and an electric flame was too fake.

"And copying the city of San Francisco's efforts to make power from dog poo had too high a yuck factor," the newspaper said.

The "green" city already features free mass transit, solar parking meters, a carbon tax and a bike-riding mayor. Even Christmas lights are LEDs. The city also monitors water quality from runoff, features low-flow toilets, recycles electronics and urges consumers to patronize organic food suppliers.

Council member Jack Johnson told the paper the hearth should be an educational display, with a sign explanation how it is wasting fuel and why.

As the flame burns, Escalades and Hummers drive by, paparazzi trip over hearth chairs seeking photographs of supermodel Heidi Klum and sales associate Kate Kelly, in a nearby retailer, told the newspaper, "Al Gore wouldn't be too happy about this."

But participants in a newspaper forum ridiculed the situation.

"Maybe just put the fire out and hang a picture of a fire instead. You put up a kiosk with informational booklets (printed on recycled paper) that explain the Global Warming Crisis, why the fire had to be put out, and ask for donations to purchase Carbon Credits. Ask the rich to stop coming to Aspen, because it's actually bad for the environment, to have all those jets flying around. Shut down the ski area. Because, really; can we afford to waste time skiing, when the oceans are about to rise 20 ft.? I think not." wrote Rulo Melko. "Well, maybe not. We'll let the rich still fly their jets in and ski, and spend money. As long as they're the Hollywood rich who "get it". Who "understand".

"This article," Bart Gripenstraw told the newspaper, "gave me a good chuckle this morning. It almost made me want to drive up to Aspen in my gas guzzling SUV, premium unleaded gas of course, with my wife in her full length fur coat so we could enjoy this beautiful fire pit. I am sure Al Gore would jump on his private lear jet, (sic) leaving behind his tastefully done 30,000 sq. foot home in Tennessee, to join me in a toast to the sillyness (sic) he has helped create."


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: HisDaughter on December 25, 2007, 04:37:20 PM
You're hurt'in my leg Marnie.

(You ever see that Alfred Hitchcock episode where the old woman would say that everytime she got annoyed with her daughter?)  ;D


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Shammu on December 25, 2007, 06:27:07 PM
Quote
"This article," Bart Gripenstraw told the newspaper, "gave me a good chuckle this morning. It almost made me want to drive up to Aspen in my gas guzzling SUV, premium unleaded gas of course, with my wife in her full length fur coat so we could enjoy this beautiful fire pit. I am sure Al Gore would jump on his private lear jet, (sic) leaving behind his tastefully done 30,000 sq. foot home in Tennessee, to join me in a toast to the sillyness (sic) he has helped create."

(http://bestsmileys.com/lol/4.gif)


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on December 25, 2007, 10:43:55 PM
You're hurt'in my leg Marnie.

(You ever see that Alfred Hitchcock episode where the old woman would say that everytime she got annoyed with her daughter?)  ;D

Nope, I don't remember seeing that episode but I had a friend that used to say that every time our Commander irked him. The message was pretty clear what he meant.

 :D :D


Title: Japan Urges China to Sway Global Issues
Post by: Shammu on December 29, 2007, 07:39:20 PM
Japan Urges China to Sway Global Issues

By ANITA CHANG – 1 day ago

BEIJING (AP) — Japan urged China to use its growing influence to make an impact on key global issues such as climate change during summit talks Friday that reflected the countries' warmer ties.

The countries have a history of animosity stemming from disputes over territory, resources and wartime history, but Japanese Prime Minister Yasuo Fukuda's four-day visit follows several friendly meetings between leaders and a Chinese warship's historic port call to Japan.

"In the long history of our relations, there has never been a time when Japan and China has had more influence or responsibilities in Asia and the world," Fukuda said at a joint news conference with Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao. "We face a big opportunity going forward."

"There have indeed been various problems in the relationship between Japan and China. But it is time for us to overcome these problems and push forward the development of our relationship," he said.

Wen also praised improved relations between the two countries.

"Prime Minister Fukuda said the spring has come in our relations and after 2 1/2 hours of talks, I truly feel that the spring of China-Japan relations has indeed arrived," Wen said.

Fukuda was to meet later Friday with President Hu Jintao, and Wen confirmed that Hu will visit Japan next year. It will be the first such trip by a Chinese head of state since Jiang Zemin's in 1998.

Fukuda said Japan would send a warship to China in 2008 as part of efforts to build mutual confidence. The visit follows a Chinese warship's historic port call to Japan this year.

The two sides signed an agreement to promote scientific and technological cooperation to fight climate change. The agreement calls for Japan to invite 50 young Chinese researchers every year for the next four years to be trained to combat global warming.

They also issued a memorandum aimed at increasing exchanges between the youth of China and Japan. Next year Japan will invite 3,000 Chinese high school students to visit while sending 1,000 to China, Japanese Foreign Ministry spokesman Mitsuo Sakaba said.

Fukuda had placed climate change at the top of his agenda for the meeting. Japan is eager to help China tackle pollution that is increasingly felt across the sea in Japan.

"Both sides have consistently believed that, on climate change, pushing forward cooperation is our duty and responsibility in the international community," Fukuda said.

Industries in China are notorious for their inefficiency, requiring more coal or other energy sources to produce the same amount of output as a plant in Japan.

Other topics included a long-running dispute over China and Japan's competing claims to gas reserves in the East China Sea, which both nations hope to exploit to feed their fuel-hungry economies.

"We will continue negotiations and aim for a resolution as quickly as possible," Fukuda said after meeting with Wen.

The two also discussed North Korea, a close ally of Beijing that has been accused of abducting Japanese citizens during the 1970s and '80s.

Fukuda will visit the industrial port of Tianjin on Saturday and will make a stop in Qufu, the birthplace of the ancient philosopher Confucius, before returning home Sunday.

Japan Urges China to Sway Global Issues (http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5h7G-ZwRQu4t9u7fiiO4a5d0dm2MwD8TQFB180)


Title: Re: Japan Urges China to Sway Global Issues
Post by: Shammu on December 29, 2007, 07:43:54 PM
China could care less about "global warming".

China isn't about to pay some socialist, er "global warming carbon tax". China's interest lies solely in money and power. The closer ties between Japan and China are the striking thing in these articles. Just a short time ago, this would have been unthinkable. Kings of the East y'all!!


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on December 31, 2007, 09:59:46 AM
Snowfall nears record for Wisconsin city
Estimated 24.5 inches blankets Oshkosh this December

Another round of snow blanketed Oshkosh with about four inches of the white stuff fell Friday adding to a near record snowfall for the month.

So far, an estimated 24˝ inches of snow has fallen in Oshkosh this December, which is believed to be the fourth most since at least 1948, according to the Midwestern Regional Climate Center, Champaign, Ill. The agency reported the record snowfall for December, 25.7 inches, fell in Oshkosh is in 2000.

Oshkosh’s average snowfall in December is about 11 inches and the normal seasonal snowfall during winter in the city is 41.3 inches.

The heaviest snow on Friday fell between noon and 4 p.m. About an inch of snow fell Friday evening with accumulating snow ending by 8 p.m. Light snow is also forecast for Sunday and Monday.

Oshkosh received measurable snowfall on eight days so far this month.

December has been a snowy month throughout the state. Wisconsin Rapids received a state-high 18.2 inches of snow last weekend, according to the National Weather Service.

The snow is good news for businesses.

Geri Cauley, a floor manager for Kitz & Pfeil Hardware on North Main Street in Oshkosh, said Friday afternoon that snow-melting products are going out the door quite fast.

“We still have an ample supply of snow shovels,” she said.

Todd Messerschmidt, manager of the Kitz & Pfeil Power Center in Oshkosh, said it’s been “an awesome” month for sales of snowblowers, parts and service.

“We haven’t had snow like this in a number of years,” he said.

Messerschmidt said their power center in Oshkosh sold 113 snowblowers in about one week after the first storm of the month, when eight inches of snow fell on Dec. 1.

Rural Omro dairy farmer Jeff Bradley said the abundance of snow helps insulate crops already in the ground, such as alfalfa, and prevents the crops from being damaged by ice.

“There’s also extra moisture for the fields in the spring,” he said.

Officials from the NWS in Green Bay said the 90-day forecast for January through March calls for below normal precipitation and a 30 percent chance for below normal temperatures.

It’s just a forecast and the weather could change, said Dan Clark, a meteorological technician for the NWS in Green Bay.

“There are so many variables that go into this and it covers a big area,” Clark said.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on January 02, 2008, 09:57:39 AM
State of Ill. Sponsoring Kids Global Warming Poster Contest

Here is the sort of garbage your State EPA is foisting on your children, Illinois. The State EPA is instituting a Statewide Poster And Poetry/Prose Exhibit: "Global Warming – What Can We Do?" for the kiddies to help the Democrat controlled state EPA office to further their globaloney propaganda. Nothing like forcing our kids to toe the line of political propaganda, eh? Of course, it matches right up with our school children being forced to read that "Heather has two Mommies" and being handed condoms for their sexual escapades, doesn't it? Apparently, we don't need to be bothering our children with those ridiculous things like history, math and real science when there are so many political agendas that need to be pushed!

The state EPA is making global warming political propaganda fun, though.

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We invite your students to participate in the annual Environmental Pathways statewide poster and poetry/prose exhibit. The theme of the 2008 event will be “Global Warming – What Can We Do?” focusing on the importance of clean air and protecting our environment.

Loads of fun for all the kiddies.

Here is the thing, though. The state EPA is propagating an idea that is no way settled scientifically. This is not a "scientific" or factual based endeavor, but a political one.

And, get a load of this liberal, emotion-speak from the state EPA website:

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We believe that the creation of posters and written works gives your students an opportunity to express and share, on a deeper and more personal level, what they have learned. The student exhibit also draws attention to environmental issues.

Yes, let us all "share" on a "deeper and more personal level" shall we?

What poppycock.

Illinoisans, this is what your taxes are paying for. Take note.

I wonder how many other states are indoctrinating the children in this manner.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on January 03, 2008, 09:01:02 AM
Energy-saving light bulbs blamed for migraines
'A debilitating condition which can often leave people bedridden for days'

The energy-saving light bulbs that will be made compulsory in homes in a few years can trigger migraines, campaigners have claimed.

The Migraine Action Association (MAA) said some of its members alleged the fluorescent bulbs had led to attacks of the powerful headaches.

By 2011, Britain will be the first European country to phase out traditional bulbs as part of a strategy to reduce carbon dioxide emissions.

The MAA is calling on the Government to avoid a complete ban on old-style bulbs, by providing an opt-out for people with health problems.

Last year it was claimed that the "green" bulbs can cause people with epilepsy to experience symptoms similar to the early stages of a fit.

There have also been complaints from people with lupus, a chronic immune disease that causes pain and extreme tiredness.

Low energy light bulbs use only a quarter of the energy consumed by traditional versions and are estimated to save 2,000 times their weight in greenhouse gases.

They are often five times more expensive but the greater efficiency means they can pay for themselves within months.

Several versions use a technology similar to fluorescent strip lights and some migraine sufferers say they produce a flickering effect that triggers their condition.

Karen Manning, from the MAA, said: "When the Government announced that traditional light bulbs would be phased out, we were inundated with over 200 calls and emails from members who said the flickering had caused migraines.

"This is a debilitating condition which can often leave people bed-ridden for days.

"The bulbs do not necessarily affect every sufferer, but we are talking about up to six million people in the UK who suffer migraines - so this is a serious concern.

"We would ask the Government to avoid banning them completely and leave some opportunity for conventional bulbs to be purchased."

The Lighting Association, which represents manufacturers, denied that modern designs produced a flicker.

A spokesman said: "A small number of cases have been reported by people who suffer from reactions to certain types of linear fluorescent lamps. These were almost certainly triggered by old technology."


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on January 03, 2008, 10:50:14 AM
Today's Global Warming Updates

New Year's Snowstorm Smothers Midwest

A Midwestern storm that dropped up to 16 inches of snow on New Year's Day snarled traffic on highways and runways and extended the winter vacation at dozens of schools.

The storm was threatening to cause similar disruptions as it moved into New England. Meanwhile, new snow was falling early Wednesday across much of Michigan and Ohio, where thousands of people had lost power the day before.

Authorities reported no deaths or serious injuries from the six-hour blast of Michigan snow, which started early Tuesday. But they said there were many spinouts and minor accidents on the roadways.

The storm extended the winter holiday through Wednesday for students at dozens of schools across southeastern Michigan.

Ten to 16 inches of snow buried parts of Oakland, Lapeer and St. Clair counties north of Detroit, the National Weather Service said. The western St. Clair County community of Capac reported 16 inches.

"This will be a memorable storm for the amount of snow it dumped in such a short amount of time," Weather Service meteorologist David Shuler said.

He said it was the region's heaviest New Year's Day snowstorm on record and was unusual for its intensity. During the heart of the storm, snow fell at a rate of at least 2 inches an hour, with periods of 4 inches an hour.

Chicago's O'Hare International Airport, one of the nation's busiest, canceled about 150 flights Tuesday and reported delays of about 45 minutes because of blowing snow. Passengers also experienced morning delays at Detroit Metropolitan Airport, but operations were back to normal by the afternoon, spokesman Michael Conway said.

Utility officials reported scattered power failures affecting more than 36,000 homes and businesses.

The storm also blacked out 10,000 customers in northeast Ohio, mainly in areas east of Cleveland, said Chris Eck, a spokesman for FirstEnergy Corp. Wind gusted to 51 mph at Cleveland's Burke Lakefront Airport, the Weather Service said.

FirstEnergy repair crews had difficulty keeping up with the storm. "As they're getting lights on, lights are going off. They're just fighting it as it happens," Eck said.

Farther east, the weather system spread snow across upstate New York and northern New England, where it was expected to last into Wednesday and drop as much as a foot of snow on parts of Maine, New Hampshire and Vermont.

It followed a storm in the Northeast on Monday that made for the snowiest December in the region in decades. December's snowfall at Concord, N.H., totaled 44.5 inches, toppling a record of 43 inches that had stood since 1876. Burlington, Vt., got 45.7 inches, far above its 17.2-inch December average, and Portland, Maine, amassed 37.7 inches for its third-snowiest December on record.

New Hampshire has already spent $30 million on snow removal out of the $75 million budgeted for the entire winter, said highway department spokesman Bill Boynton.

However, New England ski resorts enjoyed the flurry of storms after last year's lack of snow early in the season.

Maine received a fresh layer of snow on top of the roughly 6 feet that accumulated last month at the state's two biggest ski resorts, Sugarloaf USA and Sunday River.

"It's been unbelievable," Sugarloaf spokesman Bill Swain said. "It just keeps coming."



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on January 03, 2008, 10:51:18 AM
Today's Global Warming Updates

Fla. Citrus Growers Brace for Cold Snap


Farmers rushed to protect citrus and other crops Tuesday as Florida braced for plunging temperatures, with the governor even lifting certain agricultural regulations as a precaution.

Temperatures were expected to drop below freezing in much of the state Tuesday night, hitting the lower to mid-20s for a few hours in many areas. Wind chill factors were expected to dive into the teens Wednesday night and Thursday morning.

Gov. Charlie Crist issued an order late Monday relaxing restrictions in getting harvested crops moved to processing centers.

Officials were most concerned about the state's large citrus industry, though the state produces nearly 300 crops and much of the nation's domestically grown fruits and vegetables during the winter.

"If it only stays below freezing for four to six hours, we're OK, but after about six hours it starts to do its damage. If it freezes the oranges, obviously they're no good," Florida agriculture spokeswoman Liz Compton said.

The early harvest of citrus starts in November and December, Compton said. But beans, corn, cucumbers and eggplant are also being harvested and could be affected, Compton said.

With New Year's Day temperatures in South Florida still in the 80s, sunbathers got in one last tan Tuesday before temperatures were expected to drop there by about 20 degrees.

Freeze warnings were posted down to areas just north of Tampa and Orlando, according to the National Weather Service.

In northern Florida, high temperatures Wednesday and Thursday are forecast to remain in the 40s. Central Florida is expected to see 50s, and only 60s can be expected in the Keys and southeast Florida, emergency management officials said.

Some of the coldest weather was expected in the Florida Panhandle, where temperatures are forecast to plummet into the 20s.

Forecasters anticipated potential freezes from Wednesday evening into Thursday. Five-day forecasts had the cold snap ending by the weekend.

Many of the state's 40,000 commercial farmers were making preparations. One farmer told the South Florida Sun-Sentinel he was readying helicopters to fly over his fields if the temperature drops below freezing; the blades can circulate air and prevent frost from forming. Other farmers were contemplating turning on irrigation systems, which can also ward off frost, and some were harvesting early.

The governor's order relaxed size and weight restrictions on commercial vehicles taking vulnerable crops to processing sites.

Some fishermen were not going out because of expected high winds. Dive shop operators, too, were looking at potential high winds later in the week and the possibility they could create choppy seas and stir up sand, which affects visibility.




Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on January 03, 2008, 10:52:56 AM
Today's Global Warming Updates

Snow Falls In Central Fla.; Hundreds Without Power On Coldest Morning
Resident Says Snowing Hard Enough To Use Wipers On Cars

Some residents in Daytona Beach and other parts of Central Florida photographed snowflakes in their neighborhoods as temperatures fell below freezing early Thursday.

The Macklefish family snapped several photos of snow around their Volusia County home at about 8 a.m. and sent them to Local6.com.

"We are getting some returns and we have had a couple of returns that have made their way on shore," Local 6's Elizabeth Hart said. "I'm not sure if it has reached the ground but atmospheric conditions are such that there may be a couple of flurries that way."

Another resident said it was snowing hard enough near Ormond Beach that she had to use her windshield wipers during her commute.

Conditions in parts of Central Florida were favorable for snow flurries Thursday because of clouds similar to those in the Great Lakes states that produce lake-effect snow.

A hard freeze warning was issued for areas north of Interstate 4 and counties located south of I-4 were under a general freeze warning.

With the wind chill, it felt like 15 degrees in Ocala, Local 6 reported Thursday.

A gradual warm-up is expected over the next two days in Central Florida.

"By the time we get to the weekend, we are right back into some warm Florida temperatures," Hart said.

Saturday's high temperature is expected to be 74 degrees in Orlando.

Hundreds Without Power

Hundreds of Central Floridians were left without power on the coldest day in years due to several outages, according to officials.

Progress Energy said some 2,000 families near University Boulevard and the 417 were without power Thursday after temperatures fell into the high 20s and low 30s.

Another reported outage left nearly 1,000 families without electricity in the Orlo Vista area of Orange County.

Progress Energy said an equipment problem blew out a major part of a grid at about 1 a.m. Thursday. The problem was fixed about four hours later.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on January 03, 2008, 10:54:26 AM
Today's Global Warming Updates

 NEW YEAR BIG FREEZE IS COMING



BRITAIN faces one of its bitterest winters for 100 years, with temperatures set to plummet to -17C (1.4F), forecasters warned last night.

The New Year will begin with a freezing cold snap that will sweep across the country, causing “havoc” in its wake.

And forecasters predict an even icier Arctic blast will strike later in the month to bring the coldest recorded temperatures in 20 years.

Sleet and snow are expected in many parts over the next few days. And spells of freezing weather are set to last until the end of February.

The sudden cold snap is predicted to cause chaos, as it coincides with millions of people returning to work after the Christmas break.

Car breakdowns on Wednesday are set to rocket by 70 per cent as an estimated 45,000 drivers in England and Wales find their cars unable to start due to the cold weather.

The Highways Agency has already put 500 gritting vehicles on standby to cope with the predicted snowfall.

Concern is also growing for the welfare of the 2.5million pensioners across the UK who live in poorly heated homes.

Piers Corbyn, from long-range weather forecasters WeatherAction, said: “It is likely to be one of the six coldest Januarys for 100 years and is expected to include at least one exceptionally cold spell, similar to that experienced in January 1987 and the legendary January of 1740 when biting, strong, easterly winds and snow wreaked severe havoc.

“There is likely to be a number of days when temperatures in many parts stay below freezing all day.

“The lowest night temperatures in parts of the Midlands, Northern England or Scotland could be as low as -17C (1.4F) or possibly colder.”

The Met Office yesterday forecast a bitterly cold snap for almost the whole of the UK in the middle of this week.

Temperatures are expected to plunge from a mild 10C (50F) to -4C (25F) overnight in northern areas by Thursday and a blanket of snow is likely in many parts.

Robin Downton, of the Met Office, predicted snowfall in the East and North of England and eastern Scotland on Wednesday, possibly spreading to the Midlands, East Anglia and the South on Thursday.

He said: “The weather is going to turn really cold during Wednesday and by Thursday it will feel jolly cold throughout the whole of the country, apart from the very far West and South-west.

“With the strong winds, it will be a bit of a shock for people because it will feel bitterly cold. With the wind-chill, it will feel perishing.”

The freezing temperatures will feel even worse because of the mild winter Britain has enjoyed so far.

By the weekend, temperatures are due to thaw to about 11C (52F) but forecasters say the respite will be only temporary, with further winter misery to come. Jonathan Powell, senior forecaster at Positive Weather Solutions, said: “During February we will see an extended cold snap. We would expect it to be much colder than January.

“It will not be a pleasant month. We would expect many days where the temperatures struggle to get above freezing.

“There will be harsh frosts and snow at the start and the end of the month.”

The gloomy forecast means revellers looking forward to welcoming in 2008 outdoors should make the most of the next two days.

Unlike last year when many New Year and Hogmanay celebrations had to be cancelled, mild temperatures of about 8C (46F) are expected for the evening.

Wales and most of England will be mainly dry and cloudy today, although one or two showers are anticipated.

Revellers in northern England, Northern Ireland and Scotland, however, can expect rain.

Those hoping to walk off the excesses of New Year’s Eve can expect a mild but cloudy day on January 1.

Most areas will remain dry but rain is expected in central and southern Scotland, North-east England and East Anglia.

The mercury is expected to top 10C (50F) in southern England on New Year’s Day and will only be a few degrees cooler across the rest of the UK.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on January 03, 2008, 10:55:40 AM
Today's Global Warming Updates

Coldest winter in nearly 15 years ahead: Environment Canada

Big chill coming for most of country

Canadians who enjoyed last winter's mild temperatures and relatively light snowfall better get ready to bundle up -- it's going to be a cold one.

Environment Canada announced Friday that winter this year is expected to be the coldest in nearly 15 years. From December through February, conditions are forecast to be the harshest since the early 1990s.

Southwestern Ontario and parts of northern Canada are the only areas expected to experience the usual weather this winter.

"The highest confidence we have that our forecast will be good is for the Prairies. We have our models showing that it's going to be quite cold there," said Richard Moffet, a meteorologist at the Canadian Meteorological Centre in Montreal.

The last time Canada experienced such a cold season was in 1994, when temperatures dropped as low as -42C before factoring in the wind chill.

But Mr. Moffet said there could be an upside to the brutal weather.

"Maybe the winter in the Prairies will seem to be like the good old winters. People will be able to skate outside and play hockey," he said.

Environment Canada has forecast regular amounts of snow, although cities such as Calgary, Regina and Toronto could get more than usual.

Last year's winter saw green Christmases in the traditionally snowy cities of Timmins, Quebec City and Ottawa. The provinces of New Brunswick and Prince Edward Island only had two-thirds of their usual snowfall.

This year's cold weather is being triggered in part by La Nina, a period of lower than normal temperatures in the Pacific Ocean, according to Mr. Moffet.

"Off the coast of Peru, it's colder than usual and it's going to be there for all of winter and into the next spring for sure. This is going to be long-lasting," he said.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on January 03, 2008, 10:56:30 AM
Today's Global Warming Updates

 Kashmir Valley at minus seven degrees

Srinagar: The banks of Dal Lake froze for the second time this winter as the mercury plunged to a record low of minus 7.2 degrees Celsius in Kashmir valley on Sunday while Leh in Ladakh was reeling under a numbing 15 below freezing point.

After the coldest night of the season, the sun came out brightly as a respite to people using hot water to defreeze water pipes and also thawing the lake. Besides Dal Lake, which is the main draw for tourists, icicles had formed on other water bodies in the valley but melted as the day advanced.

“The overnight temperature in Srinagar recorded this morning was minus 7.2 C, the season’s lowest so far and 5 degrees below the normal range,” a weather office spokesman said. The temperature was a 2 degree drop from Thursday’s minus 5.6 C, which was the coldest till then, he said.

This has zapped the valley’s denizens who expect the ‘chilai kalan’ (40 days of harsh winter) period to be just snow and rain. ‘Chilai kalan’ begins from December 21.

Leh district saw the minimum temperature as minus 15.2 C on Saturday.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on January 03, 2008, 10:58:24 AM
Today's Global Warming Updates

Early winter of our discontent: More snow, cold than years past

DOVER — Technically, winter hasn't begun, but try telling that to plow truck drivers.

With the winter solstice just around the corner on Saturday, an average of 20.9 inches of snow has already blanketed the state in the month of December.

According to the National Weather Service Meteorologist Tom Hawley, New Hampshire hasn't had this much snow in December since 2003, when an average of 21.1 inches fell.

Before that, the December record snowfall was in 1995.

"I think we've been getting soft in the past few years," Hawley said about the limited snow fall and warmer temperatures.

On average, this December has also had the coldest temperatures in the past 18 years, at approximately 21 degrees Fahrenheit.

"It's about 8 degrees below norm — 7.7 degrees," Hawley said. "You have to go back to 1989 to have the last average coldest temperatures in December, where there was a record of 11.9 degrees."

Last year is balmy by comparison — December 2006 had an average temperature of 33.9 Fahrenheit.

Meteorologists predicted that Thursday's storm will have dropped six to nine inches in Strafford and Rockingham counties.

Several York County, Maine, towns reported accumulations of around a half-foot. Totals were lower farther north and east in Maine.

The snowfall was enough to make it the snowiest December in Portland, Maine, since 1995 when 33.9 inches of snow fell in the month, said Hawley.

Before the latest storm, Portland had recorded 22.7 inches of snow and Concord, N.H., had recorded 20.9 inches.

Today is expected to be mostly sunny and clear with highs in the 30s.

Saturday, the official start of winter, is expected to be sunny during the day with a high of 33 degrees Fahrenheit and a 30 percent chance of freezing rain in the evening after 1 a.m.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on January 03, 2008, 11:00:08 AM
Today's Global Warming Updates

Year of global cooling

Al Gore says global warming is a planetary emergency. It is difficult to see how this can be so when record low temperatures are being set all over the world. In 2007, hundreds of people died, not from global warming, but from cold weather hazards.

Since the mid-19th century, the mean global temperature has increased by 0.7 degrees Celsius. This slight warming is not unusual, and lies well within the range of natural variation. Carbon dioxide continues to build in the atmosphere, but the mean planetary temperature hasn't increased significantly for nearly nine years. Antarctica is getting colder. Neither the intensity nor the frequency of hurricanes has increased. The 2007 season was the third-quietest since 1966. In 2006 not a single hurricane made landfall in the U.S.

South America this year experienced one of its coldest winters in decades. In Buenos Aires, snow fell for the first time since the year 1918. Dozens of homeless people died from exposure. In Peru, 200 people died from the cold and thousands more became infected with respiratory diseases. Crops failed, livestock perished, and the Peruvian government declared a state of emergency.

Unexpected bitter cold swept the entire Southern Hemisphere in 2007. Johannesburg, South Africa, had the first significant snowfall in 26 years. Australia experienced the coldest June ever. In northeastern Australia, the city of Townsville underwent the longest period of continuously cold weather since 1941. In New Zealand, the weather turned so cold that vineyards were endangered.

Last January, $1.42 billion worth of California produce was lost to a devastating five-day freeze. Thousands of agricultural employees were thrown out of work. At the supermarket, citrus prices soared. In the wake of the freeze, California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger asked President Bush to issue a disaster declaration for affected counties. A few months earlier, Mr. Schwarzenegger had enthusiastically signed the California Global Warming Solutions Act of 2006, a law designed to cool the climate. California Sen. Barbara Boxer continues to push for similar legislation in the U.S. Senate.

In April, a killing freeze destroyed 95 percent of South Carolina's peach crop, and 90 percent of North Carolina's apple harvest. At Charlotte, N.C., a record low temperature of 21 degrees Fahrenheit on April 8 was the coldest ever recorded for April, breaking a record set in 1923. On June 8, Denver recorded a new low of 31 degrees Fahrenheit. Denver's temperature records extend back to 1872.

Recent weeks have seen the return of unusually cold conditions to the Northern Hemisphere. On Dec. 7, St. Cloud, Minn., set a new record low of minus 15 degrees Fahrenheit. On the same date, record low temperatures were also recorded in Pennsylvania and Ohio.

Extreme cold weather is occurring worldwide. On Dec. 4, in Seoul, Korea, the temperature was a record minus 5 degrees Celsius. Nov. 24, in Meacham, Ore., the minimum temperature was 12 degrees Fahrenheit colder than the previous record low set in 1952. The Canadian government warns that this winter is likely to be the coldest in 15 years.

Oklahoma, Kansas and Missouri are just emerging from a destructive ice storm that left at least 36 people dead and a million without electric power. People worldwide are being reminded of what used to be common sense: Cold temperatures are inimical to human welfare and warm weather is beneficial. Left in the dark and cold, Oklahomans rushed out to buy electric generators powered by gasoline, not solar cells. No one seemed particularly concerned about the welfare of polar bears, penguins or walruses. Fossil fuels don't seem so awful when you're in the cold and dark.

If you think any of the preceding facts can falsify global warming, you're hopelessly naive. Nothing creates cognitive dissonance in the mind of a true believer. In 2005, a Canadian Greenpeace representative explained “global warming can mean colder, it can mean drier, it can mean wetter.” In other words, all weather variations are evidence for global warming. I can't make this stuff up.

Global warming has long since passed from scientific hypothesis to the realm of pseudo-scientific mumbo-jumbo.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on January 03, 2008, 11:17:52 AM
Today's Global Warming Updates

Al Gore announced he is finishing up a new book about global warming and the environment. Yeah, the first chapter talks about how you shouldn’t chop down trees to make a book that no one will read.” —Conan O’Brien, late night TV talk show host and comedian.


It’s noteworthy how often scientists use so-called irrefutable evidence to predict future events, only to be eventually proven wrong. Weather forecasters predicted more numerous and intense hurricanes the past two seasons since Hurricane Katrina devastated New Orleans, only to see milder and fewer storms instead. There are more variables than we can imagine when forecasting even short-term weather patterns. One thing is for sure: Climate change is a cyclical phenomenon that repeats over hundreds of years ever since Noah's flood.

You can’t legislate the weather. We just aren’t that important in the big scheme of things. Sorry to burst a bubble or two, but there it is! This is NOT our fault, and we can’t control what the planet does. Yes, we can cut down on the pollution, we can make the effort to clean up our own messes, but the planet will survive.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on January 03, 2008, 03:15:41 PM
 ;D   ;D

I find this absolutely amazing, especially knowing that Al will probably have another best seller. People will buy almost anything. Let's just all write a book and make up the contents as we go. After all, that's how Al did it. WHEW!


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on January 07, 2008, 01:24:35 PM
Br-r-r! Where did global warming go?

THE STARK headline appeared just over a year ago. "2007 to be 'warmest on record,' " BBC News reported on Jan. 4, 2007. Citing experts in the British government's Meteorological Office, the story announced that "the world is likely to experience the warmest year on record in 2007," surpassing the all-time high reached in 1998. (Which the 1998 temperature figures have been proven to be wrong and the warmest year on record was in fact 1934.)

But a funny thing happened on the way to the planetary hot flash: Much of the planet grew bitterly cold.

In South America, for example, the start of winter last year was one of the coldest ever observed. According to Eugenio Hackbart, chief meteorologist of the MetSul Weather Center in Brazil, "a brutal cold wave brought record low temperatures, widespread frost, snow, and major energy disruption." In Buenos Aires, it snowed for the first time in 89 years, while in Peru the cold was so intense that hundreds of people died and the government declared a state of emergency in 14 of the country's 24 provinces. In August, Chile's agriculture minister lamented "the toughest winter we have seen in the past 50 years," which caused losses of at least $200 million in destroyed crops and livestock.

Latin Americans weren't the only ones shivering.

University of Oklahoma geophysicist David Deming, a specialist in temperature and heat flow, notes in the Washington Times that "unexpected bitter cold swept the entire Southern Hemisphere in 2007." Johannesburg experienced its first significant snowfall in a quarter-century. Australia had its coldest ever June. New Zealand's vineyards lost much of their 2007 harvest when spring temperatures dropped to record lows.

Closer to home, 44.5 inches of snow fell in New Hampshire last month, breaking the previous record of 43 inches, set in 1876. And the Canadian government is forecasting the coldest winter in 15 years.

Now all of these may be short-lived weather anomalies, mere blips in the path of the global climatic warming that Al Gore and a host of alarmists proclaim the deadliest threat we face. But what if the frigid conditions that have caused so much distress in recent months signal an impending era of global cooling?

"Stock up on fur coats and felt boots!" advises Oleg Sorokhtin, a fellow of the Russian Academy of Natural Sciences and senior scientist at Moscow's Shirshov Institute of Oceanography. "The latest data . . . say that earth has passed the peak of its warmer period, and a fairly cold spell will set in quite soon, by 2012."

Sorokhtin dismisses the conventional global warming theory that greenhouse gases, especially human-emitted carbon dioxide, is causing the earth to grow hotter. Like a number of other scientists, he points to solar activity - sunspots and solar flares, which wax and wane over time - as having the greatest effect on climate.

"Carbon dioxide is not to blame for global climate change," Sorokhtin writes in an essay for Novosti. "Solar activity is many times more powerful than the energy produced by the whole of humankind." In a recent paper for the Danish National Space Center, physicists Henrik Svensmark and Eigil Friis-Christensen concur: "The sun . . . appears to be the main forcing agent in global climate change," they write.

Given the number of worldwide cold events, it is no surprise that 2007 didn't turn out to be the warmest ever. In fact, 2007's global temperature was essentially the same as that in 2006 - and 2005, and 2004, and every year back to 2001. The record set in 1998 has not been surpassed. For nearly a decade now, there has been no global warming. Even though atmospheric carbon dioxide continues to accumulate - it's up about 4 percent since 1998 - the global mean temperature has remained flat. That raises some obvious questions about the theory that CO2 is the cause of climate change.

Yet so relentlessly has the alarmist scenario been hyped, and so disdainfully have dissenting views been dismissed, that millions of people assume Gore must be right when he insists: "The debate in the scientific community is over."

But it isn't. Just last month, more than 100 scientists signed a strongly worded open letter pointing out that climate change is a well-known natural phenomenon, and that adapting to it is far more sensible than attempting to prevent it. Because slashing carbon dioxide emissions means retarding economic development, they warned, "the current UN approach of CO2 reduction is likely to increase human suffering from future climate change rather than to decrease it."

Climate science isn't a religion, and those who dispute its leading theory are not heretics. Much remains to be learned about how and why climate changes, and there is neither virtue nor wisdom in an emotional rush to counter global warming - especially if what's coming is a global Big Chill.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on January 07, 2008, 01:30:41 PM
I just had to post this article as I found it not only fitting but absolutely hilarious.

Global warming a big hoax - In the spirit of being a good neighbor, I've decided to offer a needed service for all of the believers in human-caused global warming. That's right, step right up, folks, I'm going to be selling carbon credits to those who want to assuage their guilt about heating up the planet with their SUVs.

For those of you not familiar with carbon credits, people who don't want to cut back on their use of fossil fuels just pay someone else to cut back, much the same way you might pay someone to eat healthy foods for you so you can eat anything you want.

My gimmick is that I'm offering $100 carbon credits for only $89 each. If you buy carbon credits from Al Gore, you'll have to pay the full retail price. But if you send your money directly to me, you'll receive an official certificate for $100 in carbon credits for every $89 you send. But wait, there's more. If you are among the first 500 purchasers, we'll include a fantastic vegetable chopper, a $19.99 value, absolutely free.

And you will be helping to save the planet. I've had my eye on a 12-foot jon boat with a used 10-horse Evinrude, which will no doubt pump out oodles of carbon dioxide. But instead, I'm going to use the proceeds of carbon credit sales to purchase a sailboat -- in other words, an environmentally friendly boat that uses wind power. The latest issue of Yachts International includes an ad for a 66-foot Van De Stadt for a mere $2,295,000. That's a lot of carbon credits, but I'm sure if all of you dig deep enough, we can pull this off.

When you display your certificates on the wall, not only can you be smug about protecting our planet, you can also proudly tell your friends and neighbors that you got them wholesale.

Expanding the same general principle, I'm also pleased to offer healthy food credits to folks who need to improve their diet. Just send me $5, and I'll eat a stalk of celery for you. Of course, that's with a big blob of Cheese Whiz spread all over it. Sorry, if you want me to eat the thing with no topping; it'll cost you 10 bucks.

(Note to the humor-challenged: the above is satire. Do not send money to me or to any carnie out there, whether they are selling carbon credits or tickets to see a two-headed calf.)


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Shammu on January 07, 2008, 05:09:53 PM
Quote from: pastor roger
(Note to the humor-challenged: the above is satire. Do not send money to me or to any carnie out there, whether they are selling carbon credits or tickets to see a two-headed calf.)

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Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on January 07, 2008, 10:02:28 PM
 ;D   ;D   ;D   ;D   ;D    ROFL!

I'm not a scientist, but I did learn some common sense early in life. I've always known that the sun has much to do with light and heat. Man has no control over the thermostat of the sun - that's GOD'S domain alone. Man also has no control over the turning of the earth or movement of other planets - that's GOD'S domain alone.

Al Gore simply needs help in figuring out the basics. I would recommend a good kindergarten or some other pre-school.   ;D


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on January 08, 2008, 07:51:08 PM
Columnist argues 'global warming has stopped'

An accumulation of nearly 45 inches of snow in New Hampshire last month has Boston Globe columnist Jeff Jacoby asking, "Where did global warming go?"

Jacoby contends the "hysteria and alarm" that is expressed by many people who write and comment about global warming is misplaced. Lost amid all that "hysteria," he says, was the fact that record low temperatures were set all over the world in 2007, noting the start of winter last year in South America was one of the coldest ever observed.

"The hook of it for me was going through my files and realizing that at the beginning of 2007, there were predictions that it was going to turn out to be the warmest year ever recorded," he comments. "And in fact what happened in 2007 was that global average temperature was essentially the same it had been in 2006; which was essentially the same as it had been in 2005; and so on going back to 2001. Whether this is a permanent thing or something temporary, it seems that global warming has stopped."

Jacoby says for the past seven or eight years, there has been no real change in the temperature of the planet -- either up or down. "When you combine that with the hysteria about how the world could be roasting if we don't radically revise and drastically change and restrict the way we live and the consumption of energy and all the rest of it, it just seems to me that it's a point that needs to be made over and over again," he shares. "This thing gets treated like a religion when that isn't the way science is supposed to work."

The columnist says "much remains to be learned about how and why climate changes, and there is neither virtue nor wisdom in an emotional rush to counter global warming -- especially if what's coming is a global Big Chill."

In his new column "BR-R-R! Where did the global warming go?" Jacoby also contends that "even though atmospheric carbon dioxide ... is up about four percent since 1998, the global mean temperature has remained flat."


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Shammu on January 11, 2008, 07:54:40 PM
You know I've been thinking.............  :o


God has used the weather, to get mans attention in the past. This could be Gods attempt to have man/woman come back to our first love, Jesus Christ, our Lord, and Saviour.

In the Old Testament, God used droughts to bring people to Him. He used Joseph and a drought to bring His people down to Egypt. He used Elijah and a draught to rid his land of the prophets of Baal and to show His strength. It is not mere coincidence that there are fires, droughts, hurricanes, famine, etc., etc. God has to get our attention and since this world keeps falling deeper and deeper into a moral decay or decline. This maybe the last chance for some to come to God.

The POINT is that God has used weather, and His control over it, to bring people’s attention to their sin.

Jeremiah 2:5-7 THE WORD of the Lord that came to Jeremiah concerning the drought: 2 Judah mourns and her gates languish; [her people] sit in black [mourning garb] upon the ground, and the cry of Jerusalem goes up. 3 And their nobles send their little ones and their inferiors for water; they come to the cisterns and find no water. They return with empty vessels; they are put to shame and confounded and cover their heads.

Haggai 1:10-12 Therefore the heavens above you [for your sake] withhold the dew, and the earth withholds its produce. 11 And I have called for a drought upon the land and the hill country, upon the grain, the fresh wine, the oil, upon what the ground brings forth, upon men and cattle, and upon all the [wearisome] toil of [men's] hands. 12 Then Zerubbabel son of Shealtiel and Joshua son of Jehozadak, the high priest, with all the remnant of the people [who had returned from captivity], listened to and obeyed the voice of the Lord their God [not vaguely or partly, but completely, according to] the words of Haggai the prophet, since the Lord their God had sent him, and the people [reverently] feared and [worshipfully] turned to the Lord.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on January 12, 2008, 12:30:04 AM
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The POINT is that God has used weather, and His control over it, to bring people’s attention to their sin.

AMEN DREAMWEAVER!

Brother, this is 100% correct. I think that we both agree that the time of GOD'S Patience toward the evil of mankind is just about spent. Evil is getting worse by the day, and the world appears to be ripe for the wrath of GOD.

Love In Christ,
Tom

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Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on January 12, 2008, 10:29:28 AM
1st snow for 100 years falls on Baghdad
Meteorologist says climate change possibly to blame for unusual event

Light snow fell in Baghdad early on Friday in what weather officials said was the first time in about a 100 years.

Rare snowfalls were also recorded in the west and centre of Iraq, plunging temperatures to zero degrees Centigrade (32 degrees Fahrenheit) and even colder, an official said.

The snow in Baghdad, which melted as it hit the ground, began falling before dawn and continued until after 9 am, residents said.

"Snow has fallen in Baghdad for the first time in about a century as a result of two air flows meeting," said a statement by the meteorology department.

"The first one was cold and dry and the second one was warm and humid. They met above Iraq."

The director of the meteorology department, Dawood Shakir, told AFP that climate change was possibly to blame for the unusual event.

"It's very rare," he said. "Baghdad has never seen snow falling in living memory.

"These snowfalls are linked to the climate change that is happening everywhere. We are finding some places in the world which are warm and are supposed to be cold."

Snow was also reported in the mountainous Kurdish north of the country, where falls are common.


Title: Rise in number of glaciers in Sikkim
Post by: Shammu on January 14, 2008, 03:13:09 PM
Sikkim has the largest number of glaciers in India
January 12, 2008

Gangtok (PTI): Sikkim, comprising 0.5 per cent of India's landmass, has 84 glaciers, the largest number as compared to any other state or union territory.

The present number of glaciers at 84, with the mapping exercise still underway to find about out more ice caps in the state has grown by about four times over the past six years as the figure of glaciers stood at 21 at that time, a senior scientist of the science and technology department, which has been carrying out mapping of the glaciers and other landscapes of the state, told PTI.

The glaciers have been mapped by using remote sensing application system and capturing data through satellite, he said.

The rise in the number of glaciers belied the impact of the global warming phenomena in this region with the scientist pointing out that the impact of global warming has never been a factor in the climate of the border state with the state being landlocked and surrounded by the mountainous landscape on all sides. (Global warming theory is this area should be a desert.  DW)

While most of the glaciers are found in the north district, the Zemu glacier in West Sikkim, which lies in a u-shape, is the largest such ice cap with an ice mass spread over 26 km, he said.

The department has plans to map the lakes and forest cover of the state through remote sensing application system, besides sending a team to the interior parts of the state to collect information on the number of glaciers, lakes and forests, the scientist said.

The state government had set up a nine-member commission under the leadership of a scientist, T S Singh, last year to find out the impact of global warming phenomena on the topography of the mountains.

Sikkim has the largest number of glaciers in India (http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/002200801121040.htm)


Title: Mount St. Helens’ Crater Glacier Advancing Three Feet Per Day
Post by: Shammu on January 14, 2008, 03:24:28 PM
I used this in another forum to help disprove global warming. Though the news isn't there no more, I kept a copy on my hard drive. So here you go.....

Mount St. Helens’ Crater Glacier  Advancing Three Feet Per Day

22 Jun 07 - Ever since St. Helens rumbled back to life in 2004, geologists have curiously watched the dichotomy of fire and ice play out.

Crater Glacier is like no other glacier in the world. It’s the only glacier with lava extruding through it and forming a dome. And while most glaciers are receding (I don’t agree - Most glaciers are not receding), Crater Glacier is advancing three feet per day and forming a collar around the growing dome.

Crater Glacier started forming shortly after St. Helens blew its top on May 18, 1980. The glacier is fed by snow and falling rock and ice from the crater rim. The glacier is about 40 percent rock and 60 percent ice, USGS geologist Willie Scott said.

Originally, the glacier filled the void between the crater walls and the lava dome that formed from 1980 to 1986.

When the 2004 eruption pushed a new dome up through the ice, geologists feared the 1,300-degree lava would melt the glacier, causing a lahar to spew from the open end of the horseshoe-shape crater.

What happened next surprised the scientists.

Cooling rock on the outside of the dome insulated the glacier from the lava, and only about 10 percent of the glacier melted, said Carolyn Driedger, a USGS hydrologist. Instead, the dome, growing by a pickup truckload of lava every two seconds, split the glacier into two moraines – deposits of glacial rock and soil – pressing each against the crater walls. The pinching forced the glacier arms to double in depth and increase their speed.

Here is the dead link for Mount St. Helens’ Crater Glacier  Advancing Three Feet Per Day (http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/local/story/93350.html)


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on January 14, 2008, 04:00:55 PM
 ;D   ;D 

UM? - It seems like there's more ice involved with all of this global warming by the day. Al Gore just might need his gloves and overcoat soon. I'm wondering how long it will take for his circus side-show to quit making money.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on January 14, 2008, 11:46:13 PM
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And while most glaciers are receding (I don’t agree - Most glaciers are not receding),

You are right in not agreeing with it. It has been proven that some of the environmentalists have faked the data on receding glaciers. It is common for glaciers to recede somewhat during a short period in the summer months. It was during the summer months that this data on shrinking glaciers were taken not during the winter months when they actually grew significantly. It is just like the pictures that were taken of Polar Bears being stranded on a melting ice float. The people that took this made it seem like this occurred during the winter. Instead they were taken during the summer when such incidents are normal.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Shammu on January 15, 2008, 01:53:46 PM
You are right in not agreeing with it. It has been proven that some of the environmentalists have faked the data on receding glaciers. It is common for glaciers to recede somewhat during a short period in the summer months. It was during the summer months that this data on shrinking glaciers were taken not during the winter months when they actually grew significantly. It is just like the pictures that were taken of Polar Bears being stranded on a melting ice float. The people that took this made it seem like this occurred during the winter. Instead they were taken during the summer when such incidents are normal.


One I can think of off the bat is Michael Mann .

Air Pollution is man's problem, But other then that. It is documents by Soho in 1998 the Sun spike and the Earth was hit with a solar flare. a month later the Earth's core temp rose by 3 degree's


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on January 15, 2008, 06:21:16 PM
Brothers and Sisters,

Frankly, I find it hard to believe that so many people are gullible enough to believe the global warming baloney from Al Gore. So-called SCIENCE is now at a new low. This global warming nonsense has become almost sacred to self-proclaimed intellectuals, second only to the theory of evolution. The difference is that the theory of evolution is a bigger quantity of baloney, and it's spoiled - long past the expiration date. However, many intellectuals own the spoiled baloney and refuse to throw it out.

These things are really giving SCIENCE AND BALONEY a bad name!


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on January 15, 2008, 06:33:19 PM
Yes, it does give science a bad name. For the portion on global warming it is far from science. As Brother Bob has posted in the thread "Signs of the Lord's Return and the End of the Age" in Prophecy/Current Events it is in fact a false religion called Gaia that is driving this movement.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on January 18, 2008, 09:29:10 AM
U.N. climate head welcomes 'Marshall Plan' fund
Says U.S. ready to pay billions for clean-tech transfer to China, India

UN climate chief Yvo de Boer on Wednesday hailed as a "Marshall Plan" for climate change news that the United States will set up a multi-billion dollar fund to help developing nations acquire clean power technologies.


The "clean technology fund" would help the developing nations meet the estimated US$30 billion cost of acquiring expensive low carbon emission power technologies in place of cheaper, but far dirtier, old technologies.

"This clean technology fund is perhaps a Marshall Plan on climate change beginning to emerge where we stop worrying about the short term woes and focus much more on taking a bold step forward ... towards a clean future," de Boer told Reuters.

The Marshall Plan was a major investment project set up by the United States after World War Two to help rebuild Europe's shattered economies.

"The notion of this clean technology fund, announced by the United States, represents a sea change in thinking on climate change," de Boer, the head of the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change, said in a telephone interview from Germany.

"Up to now there has been a lot of concern, certainly in the United States, that helping developing countries like China and India on climate change would take jobs away from Americans and give them to the Chinese," he added.

Few details are yet available about the proposed new fund, such as whether it would be loans or grants, who would administer it and over what period.

Extending the analogy of the Marshall Plan which combined public with private money, de Boer said the clean technology fund would facilitate private investment in clean technologies.

"This clean technology fund is seen as a way of mobilising private capital, of opening up new markets," he said.

"This is a signal that a solution is beginning to emerge, that the conductor that connects rich country action to poor country action in terms of technology and finance is beginning to be seriously thought about," he added.

The fund is expected to draw finance from the major developed nations who have pumped most of the climate warming carbon into the atmosphere in the first place, and who the poorer developing countries insist bear the burden of cost.

De Boer said that while the main thrust of the new fund, announced in Washington on Monday, was to promote low carbon economic growth, security was also a serious issue -- as it was with the Marshall Plan which had a sub text of shoring up European democracies against the threat of Communism.

"I see a number of economic and security issues emerging as a result of climate change which make it all the more imperative to come to grips with this issue in time," he said.

"If I look at the potential impact of sea level rise on metropolitan centres around the world and if I realise that within 20 years time 25 million Africans could be impacted by water stress and looking for somewhere to move," he added.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on January 19, 2008, 09:47:56 PM
Ice returns as Greenland temps plummet

While the rest of Europe is debating the prospects of global warming during an unseasonably mild winter, a brutal cold snap is raging across the semi-autonomous nation of Greenland.

On Disko Bay in western Greenland, where a number of prominent world leaders have visited in recent years to get a first-hand impression of climate change, temperatures have dropped so drastically that the water has frozen over for the first time in a decade.

'The ice is up to 50cm thick,' said Henrik Matthiesen, an employee at Denmark's Meteorological Institute who has also sailed the Greenlandic coastline for the Royal Arctic Line. 'We've had loads of northerly winds since Christmas which has made the area miserably cold.'

Matthiesen suggested the cold weather marked a return to the frigid temperatures common a decade ago.

Temperatures plunged to -25°C earlier this month, clogging the bay with ice and making shipping impossible for small crafts, according to Anthon Frederiksen, the mayor of the town of Ilulissat, where Disko Bay is located.

'On the other hand, it's an advantage for fishermen who rely on dogsleds for transportation,' Frederiksen said.

The mayor cautioned against thinking that the freezing temperature indicated that global warming claims were overblown. He noted that a nearby glacier had retracted more in the past two decades than in recorded history.

'We Greenlanders have acclimated to changing conditions over the past 1100 years,' said Frederiksen. 'Temperatures change at regular intervals.'

Although Greenland's capital, Nuuk, and much of the island saw temperatures drop below -25° C yesterday, milder temperatures appeared to be on the way in the near future.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on January 22, 2008, 11:08:06 AM
Light bulb ban will increase CO2
Exclusive: Andrew Longman has good laugh at Congress after doing science on new law

The world has seen that if ever a utopian scheme becomes law, that law achieves the opposite of the intended utopian effect. Call it "Longman's Lemma" if someone else doesn't already claim it. And nowhere can that proverbial truth be observed more laughably than in Congress' compact fluorescent light bulbs.

Echoing around my head from some required eco-indoctrinaire experience in my educational past was this unconnected fact: "Some homes in Sweden are heated entirely with incandescent light bulbs." I don't remember where I'd heard this; it was being held up as an example of what errant Americans could do if only we let Bob Villa overwhelm our R-factors and insulate our attics properly. In colonial days, we were to be ashamed of our immorality; today we are supposed to be ashamed of our Owens-Corning.

Anyway, that idea wandered through my mind in search of something to connect with.

When it found Congress' latest law on eco-madness, click, the light went on.

Regular, Thomas Edison-style, incandescent light bulbs throw off a large amount of heat. When you purchase a "100-watt" light bulb, that power rating refers to what the bulb consumes, not so much what it illuminates. Today we are told that a 15- or 20-watt compact-fluorescent will produce as much light as a 100-watt incandescent.

American leftists, intent on hating the chemicals they are made from, work very hard to force other people to reduce the amount of CO2 emitted during existence. Being mostly liberal arts majors, and not engineers, these folks have quickly come to equate energy efficiency with lower CO2 emission. Based on those vague facts, and a strong sense of female social emotion, Congress recently passed a law yanking incandescent lights from production and replacing them all with compact fluorescents. Wisdom has been mandated.

The net result, of course, will be more fossil fuels burned and more CO2 released. The lemma says so. And as a conservative, I'm OK with that and think it's funny. But of course, facts shall never intrude on the feelings of idealism possessed by the utopian instigators of these stupefying laws. But I would invite everyone who thinks this Congress is a bunch of loonies to laugh at them with me.

Heating a home is far more energy consumptive than cooling it. And, according to National Public Radio, "on average, heating an American home with natural gas produces about 6,400 pounds of carbon dioxide (CO2, a major warming gas). Use electricity, and CO2 emissions average about 4,700 pounds." One must recognize that whereas electric heat comes from a mix of nuclear power, coal and other sources, natural gas heating comes exclusively from burning things. So, electric heat, chiefly because nuclear power produces no oxidized carbon, pollutes less.

But how many pounds of C02 does it produce for two environmentalists to screw in a light bulb? Well, it's about 17 percent more hot air than if you'd asked two conservatives to do it. See, if we remove a 100-watt incandescent, and replace it with a 20-watt compact-fluorescent, the light in the room may not dim, but the warmth in that room has been cut by about 80 watts.

Let's consider an American home at 1,700 square feet, using 10 watts per square foot over the course of a year for heating, and lit with 30 incandescent, 100-watt light bulbs. In such a normal home, 17 percent of the wattage needed for winter heating would be supplied by the electric lights, when the lights were turned on. If you replace those incandescents with compact fluorescents, only 3 percent of the average heat necessary to heat the house would now be available from the light bulbs.

The conservation of energy points out that if the thermostat doesn't change its setting, the lost wattage will have to come from your furnace or boiler. That means the 2,400 watts you otherwise would have been buying from the electric company you would now buy from your heating company. The furnace would run more often. Your heating bill would go up.

So, a regular natural gas home that would have been getting 83 percent of its heat from gas and 17 percent of its heat from electric light will now fall to 97 percent of its heat from gas and 3 percent of its heat from electricity. If NPR's statistics are correct, that means a home using natural gas and incandescents would produce about 1,000 pounds more per year of CO2 by switching to compact fluorescent bulbs. Since most American homes are heated with natural gas, which costs less than electricity, it is an economic gain.

So, switching to compact fluorescents will save you money, raise the amount of hydrocarbons burned and make a mockery of the latest leftist utopian scheme. Conservatives should do it, and liberals should avoid it. But, of course, if you wanted lighting that lowered the humidity, lowered hydrocarbon pollution and employed green power from wind farms or solar, the Democratic Congress has prevented all that now.

As a conservative, I switched to compact fluorescents years ago to make more money and emit more pollution. I would encourage conservatives and liberals everywhere comply with the new law so they can do the same.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on January 22, 2008, 11:10:03 AM
...... and with the increased CO2 you will be helping produce healthier plant growth that will produce more oxygen into the atmosphere. Let's aid the environmentalists in producing more CO2.


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Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on January 22, 2008, 11:40:10 AM
...... and with the increased CO2 you will be helping produce healthier plant growth that will produce more oxygen into the atmosphere. Let's aid the environmentalists in producing more CO2.


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It sounds like we would be much better off to get the Three Stooges to take the place of Al Gore. YES - I know the Three Stooges are deceased, so we wouldn't have to pay them and their advice would be better.   ;D


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Shammu on January 22, 2008, 05:43:42 PM
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But how many pounds of C02 does it produce for two environmentalists to screw in a light bulb? Well, it's about 17 percent more hot air than if you'd asked two conservatives to do it.

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Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on January 24, 2008, 11:35:38 PM
Gore: Climate change 'significantly worse' than feared 
Says some forecasts see North Pole ice caps disappearing in summer within 5 years

Climate change is occurring far more rapidly than even the worst predictions of the UN's Nobel Prize-winning scientific panel on climate change, Al Gore said on Thursday.

Recent evidence shows "the climate crisis is significantly worse and unfolding more rapidly than those on the pessimistic side of the IPCC projections had warned us," climate campaigner and former US vice-president Gore said.

There are now forecasts that the North Pole ice caps may disappear entirely during summer months within five years, he told a gathering at the World Economic Forum in Davos.

In 2007, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) issued a massive report the size of three phone books on the reality and risks of climate change, its 4th assessment in 18 years.

Global warming is a key theme at this year's meeting of the world's business and political elite in Davos.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on January 24, 2008, 11:38:38 PM
Al Gore still hasn't learned his lesson. Scientists have already proven this lie false as the have many of his other ones. Gore turned back to the myth on the North pole melting because many top scientists recently exposed his lies about the South Pole melting.

__________

Theory On Thin Ice

Global warming alarmists have made a big deal out of North Pole ice melting and polar bears suffering due to climate change. Before they mouth off again, they should look at a new NASA study.

From 2002 to 2006, scientists and researchers from NASA and the University of Washington's Polar Science Center at the Applied Physics Laboratory observed a meaningful ongoing reversal in Arctic Ocean circulation. The cause is atmospheric circulation changes that vary in decade-long periods and the effect is, well, let the scientist who led the study explain it:

"Our study confirms many changes seen in upper Arctic Ocean circulation in the 1990s were mostly decadal in nature, rather than trends caused by global warming," said the University of Washington's James Morison.

But listening to the ecozealots and Al Gore acolytes, one would think the North Pole was melting because too many conservatives drive too many SUVs and don't have enough social responsibility to tame their wicked fossil-fuel burning ways.

This isn't the first time that real science has exposed hyperbole concerning melting ice at the North Pole. In August 2000, the New York Times ran an apocalyptic story that said the pole was free of ice for the first time in 50 million years.

"It was retracted three weeks later as a barrage of scientists protested that open water is common at or near the pole at the end of summer,"writes environmental scientist Pat Michaels.

"Further, it's common knowledge in the scientific community that there has been no net change in Arctic temperatures in the last 70 years."

Apparently unwilling to learn its lesson, the Times published a fretful story Oct. 2 about Arctic ice loss. Good for shipping across the pole, and fishing and oil exploration in the region. But not so good, the article said, for polar bears that could be in for a "particularly harsh jolt."

The alarmists like to scare the public with harrowing stories of bears drowning when they get trapped on melting ice and can't swim the long distances needed to reach safety. The specter of their extinction has been raised.

So how to explain the increase in the polar bear population from 5,000 in 1950 to 25,000 today, as documented by the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service? The alarmists are noticeably quiet. Could it be that the facts don't fit with their campaign of exaggerations, half-truths and outright lies?


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on January 25, 2008, 06:04:47 AM
 ;D   ;D

Hello Pastor Roger,

We must remember that common sense and facts aren't allowed.  After all, pesky facts and common sense might hurt Al Gore's book sales and his reputation. This is the most ridiculous example of the vanity of man that I've ever seen.

Everything is extremely SIMPLE for Christians. THE CREATOR - THE GREAT I AM - ALMIGHTY GOD is in complete control of everything HE CREATED!

Brothers and Sisters, everything really is this SIMPLE!

Love In Christ,
Tom

Thanks be unto God for His unspeakable GIFT, Jesus Christ, our Lord and Saviour Forever!


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Def on January 25, 2008, 03:25:42 PM
;D   ;D

Hello Pastor Roger,

We must remember that common sense and facts aren't allowed.  After all, pesky facts and common sense might hurt Al Gore's book sales and his reputation. This is the most ridiculous example of the vanity of man that I've ever seen.

Everything is extremely SIMPLE for Christians. THE CREATOR - THE GREAT I AM - ALMIGHTY GOD is in complete control of everything HE CREATED!

Brothers and Sisters, everything really is this SIMPLE!

Love In Christ,
Tom

Thanks be unto God for His unspeakable GIFT, Jesus Christ, our Lord and Saviour Forever!
Brother Tom can i put the "KISS" here.just for laugh :D :D :D :D


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on January 25, 2008, 03:53:00 PM
Brother Tom can i put the "KISS" here.just for laugh :D :D :D :D

 ;D   ;D

Hello Sister Def,

YES - I had forgotten about the "KISS" principle until someone reminded me of it recently. As Christians, the ULTIMATE realities for us are as simple as one can get.

We belong to CHRIST, and HE should be the CORE and FOCUS of this short life.

Love In Christ,
Tom

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Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on January 26, 2008, 10:44:02 AM
Russian scientist says Earth could soon face new ice age
Claims data shows temperature peak already passed, cooling ahead

Temperatures on Earth have stabilized in the past decade, and the planet should brace itself for a new Ice Age rather than global warming, a Russian scientist said in an interview with RIA Novosti Tuesday.

"Russian and foreign research data confirm that global temperatures in 2007 were practically similar to those in 2006, and, in general, identical to 1998-2006 temperatures, which, basically, means that the Earth passed the peak of global warming in 1998-2005," said Khabibullo Abdusamatov, head of a space research lab at the Pulkovo observatory in St. Petersburg.

According to the scientist, the concentration of carbon dioxide in the Earth's atmosphere has risen more than 4% in the past decade, but global warming has practically stopped. It confirms the theory of "solar" impact on changes in the Earth's climate, because the amount of solar energy reaching the planet has drastically decreased during the same period, the scientist said.

Had global temperatures directly responded to concentrations of "greenhouse" gases in the atmosphere, they would have risen by at least 0.1 Celsius in the past ten years, however, it never happened, he said.

"A year ago, many meteorologists predicted that higher levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere would make the year 2007 the hottest in the last decade, but, fortunately, these predictions did not become reality," Abdusamatov said.

He also said that in 2008, global temperatures would drop slightly, rather than rise, due to unprecedentedly low solar radiation in the past 30 years, and would continue decreasing even if industrial emissions of carbon dioxide reach record levels.

By 2041, solar activity will reach its minimum according to a 200-year cycle, and a deep cooling period will hit the Earth approximately in 2055-2060. It will last for about 45-65 years, the scientist added.

"By the mid-21st century the planet will face another Little Ice Age, similar to the Maunder Minimum, because the amount of solar radiation hitting the Earth has been constantly decreasing since the 1990s and will reach its minimum approximately in 2041," he said.

The Maunder Minimum occurred between 1645 and 1715, when only about 50 spots appeared on the Sun, as opposed to the typical 40,000-50,000 spots.

It coincided with the middle and coldest part of the so called Little Ice Age, during which Europe and North America were subjected to bitterly cold winters.

"However, the thermal inertia of the world's oceans and seas will delay a 'deep cooling' of the planet, and the new Ice Age will begin sometime during 2055-2060, probably lasting for several decades," Abdusamatov said.

Therefore, the Earth must brace itself for a growing ice cap, rather than rising waters in global oceans caused by ice melting.

Mankind will face serious economic, social, and demographic consequences of the coming Ice Age because it will directly affect more than 80% of the earth's population, the scientist concluded.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: HisDaughter on January 26, 2008, 07:36:37 PM
Russian scientist says Earth could soon face new ice age
Claims data shows temperature peak already passed, cooling ahead

Temperatures on Earth have stabilized in the past decade, and the planet should brace itself for a new Ice Age rather than global warming, a Russian scientist said in an interview with RIA Novosti Tuesday.


I hope this knocks the wind out of that ol' blowhard!  You know the one I mean.

Mankind will face serious economic, social, and demographic consequences of the coming Ice Age because it will directly affect more than 80% of the earth's population, the scientist concluded.


Actually, I don't think we will make it that long.  At least I hope not.  And there are alot of other things that could achive the same the end.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on January 26, 2008, 08:17:10 PM
I hope this knocks the wind out of that ol' blowhard!  You know the one I mean.

I doubt that it will as nothing that scientists have said yet in opposition to him nor what the weather is actually doing has changed anything coming from him.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on January 30, 2008, 07:36:44 PM
China weather chaos a sign of things to come: experts

Don't tell the thousands of Chinese stuck at railway stations or airports, but the chaos caused by a vicious cold spell afflicting much of China could be just a taste of things to come, experts say.

The inclement weather and ensuing problems merely highlight the country's increasing vulnerability to the extreme weather swings characteristic of global climate change, experts say, and is likely to be repeated in future years.

Vast areas of central and southern China have experienced the most severe winter in half a century in the past few days, coming on the heels of one of the warmest winters on record last year.

With climate change gaining pace and the planet generally warming up, the social, economic and political impact on China will rise along with the mercury, experts said.

"As a developing country where the vast majority live in poor circumstances, China is unusually vulnerable to this," said Paul Harris, a professor at Hong Kong's Lingnan University, who studies the social impact of climate change.

"But what we've clearly seen this week is the inability of the government to cope with such extreme events."

There is no way to prove climate change is to blame for the extreme cold snap, but some Chinese government scientists see no other explanation for the wild temperature swings, particularly in the areas that have become accustomed recently to mild winters.

"There is no doubt (climate change is to blame) for such weather events," Wang Qiwei, a climatologist with the China Meteorological Administration, wrote in an online forum set up to answer public questions about the cold weather.

"And it's a reminder that mankind must protect this globe of ours and pay more attention to how we impact our environment."

Although climate change is most closely associated with rising world temperatures, many scientists say it also increases the intensity of all kinds of weather.

"Snow in the south of China? Whoever would have imagined that?" said Yang Ailun, climate change campaigner for Greenpeace China.

"China will be one of the countries most affected by climate change and it is in China's best interest to do more to prepare," she adds, suggesting greater disaster-response spending.

China has a history of devastating natural disasters but the current harsh winter is the latest example of increasingly extreme weather as climate change progresses.

Average 2006 temperatures in China were the warmest in 55 years, while last year saw some of the worst regional droughts in decades, leaving huge swathes of farmland withered and rivers at record low levels.

Chinese climatologists expect more extreme weather over the years, with potentially dire effects on people and agriculture.

"Global warming incidents will be more prominent, more frequent and intense, including torrential rains, droughts, and hurricanes," wrote the meteorological administration's Wang.

China's vast numbers of poor usually suffer the most from natural disasters, raising the spectre of weather-induced social unrest, Hong Kong professor Harris said.

"The people hit hardest are the poor and powerless. Climate change will just lead to more (social unrest)," he said.

The current freezing weather has paralysed transportation just as millions of people try to head home for the annual Lunar New Year holiday.

It has also triggered a power crisis as the transport chaos has endangered shipments of coal to electric power plants just as plummeting temperatures have caused energy demand to soar.

The situation starkly illustrates how extreme weather has the potential to bring the country to its knees, said Harris.

He adds that in future China will be forced to spend more on mitigating the effects of climate change, such as efforts to ensure clean and ample water supplies in times of drought.

"China is spending on building Olympic stadiums, sending astronauts into space and building up its military instead of investing in these things," he said.

"Climate change is not a central factor in current economic planning and I think that is a problem."


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on January 30, 2008, 07:37:55 PM
Aha! We knew the cold would be a sign of global warming!

China weather chaos a sign of things to come: experts

Don’t tell the thousands of Chinese stuck at railway stations or airports, but the chaos caused by a vicious cold spell afflicting much of China could be just a taste of things to come, experts say.

The inclement weather and ensuing problems merely highlight the country’s increasing vulnerability to the extreme weather swings characteristic of global climate change, experts say, and is likely to be repeated in future years.

Vast areas of central and southern China have experienced the most severe winter in half a century in the past few days, coming on the heels of one of the warmest winters on record last year. (AFP)

No, you didn’t misread that. They said that the most severe winter in 50 years, coming on the heels of one of the warmest [read: mildest] winters on record last year, are both due to ‘rising global temperatures’ (which are currently not rising, so far as anyone can tell — but never mind that). And some people take this garbage seriously?


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on February 01, 2008, 11:14:09 AM
Al Gore called 'prophet' at liberal Baptist meeting

Al Gore has used a speech to hundreds attending Jimmy Carter's liberal Baptist meeting in Atlanta to sell his global warming campaign.

The Tennessean in Nashville describes Gore's speech this way: "With a green-colored Bible in one hand and his familiar red laser pointer in the other, former vice president and Nobel prize winner Al Gore led 2,500 Baptist preachers and lay leaders through his global warming slide show in Atlanta Thursday. Sounding more like an evangelist than a politician, Gore drew upon Scripture, science and a Sunday school teacher from his home church to urge Baptists to do whatever they could to fight global warming."
 
The newspaper goes on to quote Gore as telling the crowd that "if we heap contempt on God's creation, that is inconsistent with glorifying God" -- and comparing the "rising storm" of the alleged climate crisis to the rise of the Nazi party in the 1930s.
 
And it appears Gore had plenty of disciples at the gathering. According to The Tennessean, Robert Parham, executive director of the Nashville-based Baptist Center for Ethics, called Gore a "Baptist prophet." In introducing Gore, Parham said, "prophets are unacceptable because their truth is inconvenient."
 
The newspaper also quotes Todd Lake, vice president for spiritual development at Belmont University, as saying Gore had opened his eyes to the scale of global warming. "Not only do we have a crisis, we have a mounting crisis," Lake stated.
 
Despite the apparent success Gore enjoyed at the meeting, many people question the former vice president's claims about global warming. They argue the earth is simply going through another cycle of changes, as it has since the beginning of time.
 
Meanwhile, the Carter meeting wraps up today with speeches from former president Bill Clinton and Senator Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa), who is investigating some popular televangelists' alleged misuse of financial gifts from their donors.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on February 01, 2008, 11:15:11 AM
I don't argue that he is a prophet but the word FALSE needs to be with that.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: HisDaughter on February 01, 2008, 09:52:58 PM

The newspaper goes on to quote Gore as telling the crowd that "if we heap contempt on God's creation, that is inconsistent with glorifying God"
 

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and comparing the "rising storm" of the alleged climate crisis to the rise of the Nazi party in the 1930s.
 


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That's all I've got to say.  But then...it really says it all, doesn't it?


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on February 01, 2008, 10:52:53 PM
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f166/XhypocriteX/hypocrite.jpg)

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That's all I've got to say.  But then...it really says it all, doesn't it?

Yep, it sure does.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Shammu on February 02, 2008, 10:18:35 PM
I don't argue that he is a prophet but the word FALSE needs to be with that.



Your right, he is a FALSE prophet.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on February 06, 2008, 08:06:56 PM
More Ice Than Ever

 The Washington Post recently ran a shocking above-the-fold article warning us of "Escalating Ice Loss Found in Antarctica." A new paper by Eric Rignot of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory shows a net loss of ice where most scientists thought the opposite would occur.

The Post went full-bore with this one, spreading the article on to an entire interior page. The piece ends by noting that Rajenda Pachauri, head of the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), is so concerned that he's is personally going down to inspect the situation.

He should. Before he even gets to Antarctica, Pachauri is going to see something even more surprising than Rignot's finding. Despite a warming Southern Ocean, the amount of ice surrounding Antarctica is now at the highest level ever measured for this time of the year, since satellites first began to monitor it almost thirty years ago. This represents a continuation of the record set last winter (our summer).

Thanks to the miracles of modern technology, we can also look at the departure from the average for ice mass in a given month. At present, the coverage of ice surrounding Antarctica is almost exactly two million square miles above where it is historically supposed to be at this time of year. It's farther above normal than it has ever been for any month in climatologic records. Around now, because it's summer down there and the ice is headed towards its annual low point, there should be about seven million square miles of it. That means, as data in University of Illinois' web publication Cryosphere Today shows, that there is nearly 30% more ice down in Antarctica than usual for this time of the year.

All of the IPCC's models of Antarctica in the 21st century forecast a gain in ice, as a warmer surrounding ocean evaporates more water, which subsequently falls in the form of snow when it hits the continent. It's simply too cold for rain in Antarctica, and it'll stay that way for a very long time.

Concerning Antarctica as a whole, the IPCC's new climate compendium notes "the lack of warming reflected in atmospheric temperatures averaged across the region." Other studies, such as Peter Doran's in Nature in 2003, show actual cooling in recent decades. (There is a small area of significant warming in the peninsula that points towards South America, but this is less than 2% of Antarctica's total land mass.)

There's brand new evidence, just published in mid-January in Geophysical Research Letters, of a striking increase in snowfall over that peninsula. The few snowfall records that are available elsewhere in Antarctica show considerable variation from decade to decade, so discriminating the "signal" of increased snowfall caused by global warming from all the rest of the "noise" may be very difficult indeed.

We see the same problem with hurricanes and global warming. Their strength and numbers vary considerably from year to year. 2005 was the most active year ever measured in the Atlantic Basin, while 2007 was one of the weakest in history. How do you find the fingerprint of global warming amidst such variation?

So it's not warming up, and the snowfall data are equivocal, yet the continent is experiencing a net loss of ice. How can this be, and is it even important? The current hypothesis is that warmer waters beneath the surface are somehow loosening the ice. That's plausible, but again, there's precious little proof of it.

And further, the bottom line is that there is more ice than ever surrounding Antarctica.

One of the tired tropes that reverberate throughout global warming reporting is that inconvenient facts get left out. In this case, it's blatant. Midway through the Post's page-long article comes a statement that "these new findings come as the Arctic is losing ice at a dramatic rate." Wouldn't that have been an appropriate place to note that, despite a small recent loss of ice from the Antarctic landmass, the ice field surrounding Antarctica is now larger than ever measured?


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on February 14, 2008, 10:58:37 AM
Watts Up With That? has a different slant on yesterday's 'Nessie' story: Global Warming Kills “Nessie” - Global warming gets blamed for a lot of things, like in the 90’s, when that California Cheese commercial came out blaming everything  on “Its the El Ninnnnoooooo…..”. Every day we see more an more piling on of claims that the root cause of some problem is “global warming”.

But when this one came along, it gave me such pause, that I just had to mention it due to the absurdity vortex that surrounds it. Ladies and gentlemen, I give you this:

Veteran Loch Ness Monster Hunter Gives Up

Despite having hundreds of sonar contacts over the years, the trail has since gone cold and Rines believes that Nessie may be dead, a victim of global warming.

Read the whole story here at the UK’s Daily Record.

Of course we all know that Nessie is “real” and therefore it’s *ahem* reasonable to assume that the massive species extinction claimed as one of the direct effects of AGW would reach right down to the depths of Loch Ness and strike beloved Nessie dead. It’s a huge blow to Scotland’s tourist industry.

But that’s not the cause, the epic battle of Nessie’s last stand was captured in late 2007 on the Loch Ness web cam. The real culprit is not global warming, but very close.

See the picture below:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/randers/gorezilla520.jpg)

Note: yes I realize the picture is absurd, but “absurd claims require absurd proof.” (Watts Up With That?)


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Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on February 14, 2008, 11:32:44 AM
Article from Junkscience.com:

Where have all the sunspots gone?


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I’m writing this after doing an exhaustive search to see what sort of solar activity has occurred lately, and I find there is little to report. With the exception of the briefly increased solar wind from a coronal hole, there is almost no significant solar activity.

The sun has gone quiet. Really quiet.

It is normal for our sun to have quiet periods between solar cycles, but we’ve seen months and months of next to nothing, and the start of Solar cycle 24 seems to have materialized (as first reported here) then abruptly disappeared. The reverse polarity sunspot that signaled the start of cycle 24 on January 4th, dissolved within two days after that.

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Of course we’ve known that the sunspot cycle has gone low, which is also to be expected for this period of the cycle. Note that NOAA still has two undecided scenarios for cycle 24 Lower that normal, or higher than normal, as indicated on the graph below:

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But the real news is just how quiet the suns magnetic field has been in the past couple of years. From the data provided by NOAA’s Space Weather Prediction Center (SWPC) you can see just how little magnetic field activity there has been. I’ve graphed it below:

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What is most interesting about the Geomagnetic Average Planetary Index graph above is what happened around October 2005. Notice the sharp drop in the magnetic index and the continuance at low levels.

This looks much like a “step function” that I see on GISS surface temperature graphs when a station has been relocated to a cooler measurement environment. In the case of the sun, it appears this indicates that something abruptly “switched off” in the inner workings of the solar dynamo. Note that in the prior months, the magnetic index was ramping up a bit with more activity, then it simply dropped and stayed mostly flat.

We saw a single reversed polarity high latitude sunspot on January 4th, 2008, which would signal the start of a new cycle 24, which was originally predicted to have started last March and expected to peak in 2012. So far the sun doesn’t seem to have restarted its normal upwards climb.

If you have ever studied how the magnetic dynamo of the sun is so incredibly full of entropy, yet has cycles, you’ll understand how it can change states. The sun’s magnetic field is a like a series of twisted and looped rubber bands, mostly because the sun is a fluid gas, which rotates at different rates between the poles and the equator. Since the suns magnetic field is pulled along with the gas, all these twists, bumps, and burps occur in the process as the magnetic field lines get twisted like taffy. You can see more about it in the Babcock model.

I’ve alway’s likened a sunspot to what happens with a rubber band on a toy balsa wood plane. You keep twisting the propeller beyond the normal tightness to get that extra second of thrust and you see the rubber ban start to pop out knots. Those knots are like sunspots busting out of twisted magnetic field lines.

The Babcock model says that the differential rotation of the Sun winds up the magnetic fields of it’s layers during a solar cycle. The magnetic fields will then eventually tangle up to such a degree that they will eventually cause a magnetic break down and the fields will have to struggle to reorganize themselves by bursting up from the surface layers of the Sun. This will cause magnetic North-South pair boundaries (spots) in the photosphere trapping gaseous material that will cool slightly. Thus, when we see sunspots, we are seeing these areas of magnetic field breakdown.


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Sunspots are cross connected eruptions of the magnetic field lines, shown in red above. Sometimes they break, spewing tremendous amounts of gas and particles into space. Solar flares and coronal mass ejections (CME’s) are some examples of this process. Sometimes they snap back like rubber bands. The number of sunspots at solar max is a direct indicator of the activity level of the solar dynamo.

Given the current quietness of the sun and it’s magnetic field, combined with the late start to cycle 24 with even possibly a false start, it appears that the sun has slowed it’s internal dynamo to a similar level such as was seen during the Dalton Minimum. One of the things about the Dalton Minimum was that it started with a skipped solar cycle, which also coincided with a very long solar cycle 4 from 1784-1799. The longer our current cycle 23 lasts before we see a true ramp up of cycle 24, the greater chance it seems then that cycle 24 will be a low one.

No wonder there is so much talk recently about global cooling. I certainly hope that’s wrong, because a Dalton type solar minimum would be very bad for our world economy and agriculture. NASA GISS published a release back in 2003 that agrees with the commonly accepted idea that long period trends in solar activity do affect our climate by changing the Total Solar Irradiance (TSI).

Some say it is no coincidence that 2008 has seen a drop in global temperature as indicated by several respected temperature indexes compared to 2007, and that our sun is also quiet and still not kick starting its internal magentic dynamo.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on February 14, 2008, 11:37:44 AM
Of course: Cold wave in India attributed to global warming


 Mumbai: The recent cold wave sweeping across Mumbai and other parts of India could be attributed to global warming, experts said on Tuesday here at an environmental conference.

Addressing the ‘Combat Global Warming’ conference at the Indian Merchants Chamber (IMC) here, former Union minister for power and environment Suresh Prabhu said global warming was primarily a problem created and induced by human beings.

He said the increase in emission of green house gases like carbon dioxide, nitrogen oxide and methane had resulted in the situation, which could prove catastrophic if unchecked.

Prabhu said the cold wave that swept Maharashtra and other parts of India recently could be attributed to the phenomenon of global warming. (Sify)

______________


Cold wave in India attributed to global warming

Mumbai: The recent cold wave sweeping across Mumbai and other parts of India could be attributed to global warming, experts said on Tuesday here at an environmental conference.

Addressing the ‘Combat Global Warming’ conference at the Indian Merchants Chamber (IMC) here, former Union minister for power and environment Suresh Prabhu said global warming was primarily a problem created and induced by human beings.

He said the increase in emission of green house gases like carbon dioxide, nitrogen oxide and methane had resulted in the situation, which could prove catastrophic if unchecked.

Prabhu said the cold wave that swept Maharashtra and other parts of India recently could be attributed to the phenomenon of global warming.

He said global warming had already affected agriculture and water availability in various parts of the country. "A recent study revealed that 70 percent of India's water bodies are polluted," Prabhu said.

The former minister said India was one of the world's top five polluters, which also include the US, European nations and Japan.

IMC president Niraj Bajaj said the fluctuating climatic conditions due to global warming posed a threat to the very survival of the planet.

To drive home his point, he quoted Mahatma Gandhi: "You must be the change you wish to see in the world."

Environmental scientist Emmanuel D'Silva said Mumbai and Kolkata were among the ten worst cities in the world with regard to environmental pollution and sanitation.

"It is estimated by the year 2050, another seven million persons are expected to take refuge in Mumbai after global warming leads to either a drought or deluge in their village or city elsewhere in the country," D'Silva said.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on February 14, 2008, 06:01:40 PM
Watts Up With That? has a different slant on yesterday's 'Nessie' story: Global Warming Kills “Nessie” - Global warming gets blamed for a lot of things, like in the 90’s, when that California Cheese commercial came out blaming everything  on “Its the El Ninnnnoooooo…..”. Every day we see more an more piling on of claims that the root cause of some problem is “global warming”.

But when this one came along, it gave me such pause, that I just had to mention it due to the absurdity vortex that surrounds it. Ladies and gentlemen, I give you this:

Veteran Loch Ness Monster Hunter Gives Up

Despite having hundreds of sonar contacts over the years, the trail has since gone cold and Rines believes that Nessie may be dead, a victim of global warming.

Read the whole story here at the UK’s Daily Record.

Of course we all know that Nessie is “real” and therefore it’s *ahem* reasonable to assume that the massive species extinction claimed as one of the direct effects of AGW would reach right down to the depths of Loch Ness and strike beloved Nessie dead. It’s a huge blow to Scotland’s tourist industry.

But that’s not the cause, the epic battle of Nessie’s last stand was captured in late 2007 on the Loch Ness web cam. The real culprit is not global warming, but very close.

See the picture below:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/randers/gorezilla520.jpg)

Note: yes I realize the picture is absurd, but “absurd claims require absurd proof.” (Watts Up With That?)


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 ;D   ;D  The facts are killin' me - ROFL!

The ones that cause the most laughing involves anyone listening to another word that Al Gore has to say. Man has no control over the sun, so why are we still listening to "GOOBERS" who want to spend MEGA-BILLIONS on NOTHING and ACCOMPLISH NOTHING but line some fat cat pockets with CASH?

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Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on February 14, 2008, 11:14:37 PM
    HuffPoster Kerry Trueman on Tuesday suggested that food shortages will be so rampant if we don't stop climate change that we'll all end up eating bugs.

    I kid you not.

    For those looking for a cut to the chase, this was the money shot:

        If the thought of eating bugs and roadkill freaks you out, consider this: competition for the world's dwindling resources is heating up right along with the planet, and global warming is worsening food shortages all over the world. In this land o' plenty o' processed foods, most Americans can't imagine an era when we'd be forced to subsist on weeds, bugs, and -- till we run out of gas -- roadkill.


Never mind that food crops like corn are being diverted to ethanol production in the name of diminishing ostensibly man-made global warming. Never mind that warmer weather and higher CO2 levels tends to produce higher yields. Greenland once was green, after all, when the climate was warmer and so was Antartica.


Hysteria is too kind a word for this idiocy.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on February 19, 2008, 12:51:38 PM
'Coldest winter in decades'
New evidence casts doubt on claims world's ice-caps really melting

Satellite data shows that concerns over the levels of sea ice may have been premature.

It was feared that the polar caps were vanishing because of the effects of global warming.

But figures from the respected US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration show that almost all the “lost” ice has come back.

Ice levels which had shrunk from 13million sq km in January 2007 to just four million in October, are almost back to their original levels.

Figures show that there is nearly a third more ice in Antarctica than is usual for the time of year.

The data flies in the face of many current thinkers and will be seized on by climate change sceptics who deny that the world is undergoing global warming.

A photograph of polar bears clinging on to a melting iceberg has become one of the most enduring images in the campaign against climate change.

It was used by former US Vice President Al Gore during his Inconvenient Truth lectures about mankind’s impact on the world. But scientists say the northern hemisphere has endured its coldest winter in decades.

They add that snow cover across the area is at its greatest since 1966.

The one exception is Western Europe, which has – until the weekend when temperatures plunged to as low as -10C in some places – been basking in unseasonably warm weather. The UK has reported one of its warmest winters on record.
   
However, vast swathes of the world have suffered chaos because of some of the heaviest snowfalls in decades.

Central and southern China, the USA and Canada were hit hard by snowstorms.

Even the Middle East saw snow, with Jerusalem, Damascus, Amman and northern Saudi Arabia reporting the heaviest falls in years and below-zero temperatures. Meanwhile, in Afghanistan snow and freezing weather killed 120 people.

In Britain the barmy February weather came to an abrupt halt at the weekend as temperatures plunged to -10C in central England.

Experts believe that this month could end up as one of the coldest Februaries in Britain in the past 10 years.

The freezing night-time conditions look set to stay around -8C until at least the middle of the week.

A Met Office spokesman explained: “There has been little or no cloud cover across England and Wales. So there is a capacity for a fair bit of heat to be able to escape at night.

“It has been warmer in Scotland but that’s because it has been cloudy there.

“Until the weekend the temperatures were in the 14s and 15s, and we will see a return to that later this week, though it will look grey and overcast when the clouds return.”

But he added that there was little chance of snow. He said: “When the rain comes it will get warmer.”


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on February 19, 2008, 12:56:18 PM
THIS COMMENT SUMS UP THE SNAKE OIL OF GLOBAL WARMING


" I have a spiffy computer model that tells me you may contract cancer in the future. Maybe twenty or 100 years from now. Who knows? Forget the measurable fact that you have no symptoms now; my program predicts your demise — your temperature may rise to least 110 and all of your fingers may fall off. And your dog may die with you.

Therefore, the only logical thing to do to avert your pending demise is to administer chemotherapy to you, starting today. You will get terribly sick from this preventative medicine, you’ll suffer serious side-effects, and you could easily die from it. Many doctors have objected to my course of action, advising a more cautious approach, but they are deniers. My intentions are good and my models are flawless, reviewed by my like-minded friends. Who are these doctors to question me?

Take your medicine. It’s for your own good. Trust me. "



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on February 19, 2008, 01:21:34 PM
BUT, Al Gore and his friends want and need all of those billions of dollars. The MONEY - NOT weather - is what this is all about.

AND, the environmentalists would have bought this story from Elmer Fudd. OH - excuse me - they did buy the story from Elmer Fudd.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on February 19, 2008, 01:35:41 PM
Now why did you have to go and ruin poor Elmer Fudd's reputation by associating him with nuts.  ;) :D :D



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on February 19, 2008, 01:49:07 PM
Now why did you have to go and ruin poor Elmer Fudd's reputation by associating him with nuts.  ;) :D :D



 ;D   ;D   The wascally wabbit did it.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on February 21, 2008, 11:05:59 AM
Garbage in, garbage out: More bad warming data
Another temperature-monitor station riddled with problems, says meteorologist


A meteorologist performing a comprehensive study of temperature-monitoring stations that provide data about global warming says the official facility at Chicago's O'Hare International Airport is riddled with problems that render it useless to scientists.

But the data collected there is being used nonetheless.

Anthony Watts concludes in his investigation that the station at O'Hare is affected by an urban heat effect that would make temperature readings inaccurate as an indicator of what is actually occurring regionally.

"The community around O'Hare was much smaller during World War II, when the airport was built, than it is now," says Watts. "The area had a significantly less-urban population and lacked the acres of concrete and asphalt that exist there today."

The problems at O'Hare are similar to those found by Watts around the country in his study of temperature stations used by NASA and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration..

What he has found elsewhere are temperature stations with sensors on the roofs of buildings, near air-conditioning exhaust vents, in parking lots near hot automobiles, barbecues, chimneys and on pavement and concrete surfaces – all of which would lead to higher temperature recordings than properly established conditions.

To qualify as a properly maintained temperature station, sensors must be placed in elevated, slatted boxes on flat ground surrounded by a clear surface on a slope of less than 19 degrees with surrounding grass and vegetations ground cover of less than 10 centimeters high. The sensors must be located at least 100 meters from artificial heating or reflecting surfaces, such as buildings, concrete surfaces and parking lots.

Watts' concerns about the temperatures being used to gauge whether global warming is actually taking place began when he read a 1997 study by the U.S. National Research Council that concluded the consistency and quality of temperature stations was "inadequate and deteriorating." Meanwhile, he learned, the U.S. Historical Climatological Network, responsible for maintaining the stations, was doing nothing to address the problems.

So Watts decided to take up the challenge himself. After surveying a few randomly chosen temperature stations and being shocked at the shortcomings, he set forth on a plan to survey all 1,221 stations, taking photographs along the way. With the help of volunteers, Watts has systematically surveyed one-third of the official weather stations.

The vast majority of the stations surveyed to date fail to meet the prescribed standards. Using a scale of 1 to 5, with 1 reflecting proper maintenance and standards and 5 representing facilities that are severely compromised, Watts says 70 percent of those stations surveyed received a 4 or 5 rating, while only 4 percent received a grade of 1.

All of the most egregious violations he has observed in the study would result in artificially higher temperatures being recorded.


Title: Forget global warming
Post by: Shammu on February 27, 2008, 03:32:19 PM
Forget global warming

Lorne Gunter, National Post
February 25, 2008

Snow cover over North America and much of Siberia, Mongolia and China is greater than at any time since 1966.

The U.S. National Climatic Data Center (NCDC) reported that many American cities and towns suffered record cold temperatures in January and early February. According to the NCDC, the average temperature in January "was -0.3 F cooler than the 1901-2000 (20th century) average."

China is surviving its most brutal winter in a century. Temperatures in the normally balmy south were so low for so long that some middle-sized cities went days and even weeks without electricity because once power lines had toppled it was too cold or too icy to repair them.

There have been so many snow and ice storms in Ontario and Quebec in the past two months that the real estate market has felt the pinch as home buyers have stayed home rather than venturing out looking for new houses.

In just the first two weeks of February, Toronto received 70 cm of snow, smashing the record of 66.6 cm for the entire month set back in the pre-SUV, pre-Kyoto, pre-carbon footprint days of 1950.

And remember the Arctic Sea ice? The ice we were told so hysterically last fall had melted to its "lowest levels on record? Never mind that those records only date back as far as 1972 and that there is anthropological and geological evidence of much greater melts in the past.

The ice is back.

Gilles Langis, a senior forecaster with the Canadian Ice Service in Ottawa, says the Arctic winter has been so severe the ice has not only recovered, it is actually 10 to 20 cm thicker in many places than at this time last year.

OK, so one winter does not a climate make. It would be premature to claim an Ice Age is looming just because we have had one of our most brutal winters in decades.

But if environmentalists and environment reporters can run around shrieking about the manmade destruction of the natural order every time a robin shows up on Georgian Bay two weeks early, then it is at least fair game to use this winter's weather stories to wonder whether the alarmist are being a tad premature.

And it's not just anecdotal evidence that is piling up against the climate-change dogma.

According to Robert Toggweiler of the Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Laboratory at Princeton University and Joellen Russell, assistant professor of biogeochemical dynamics at the University of Arizona -- two prominent climate modellers -- the computer models that show polar ice-melt cooling the oceans, stopping the circulation of warm equatorial water to northern latitudes and triggering another Ice Age (a la the movie The Day After Tomorrow) are all wrong.

"We missed what was right in front of our eyes," says Prof. Russell. It's not ice melt but rather wind circulation that drives ocean currents northward from the tropics. Climate models until now have not properly accounted for the wind's effects on ocean circulation, so researchers have compensated by over-emphasizing the role of manmade warming on polar ice melt.

But when Profs. Toggweiler and Russell rejigged their model to include the 40-year cycle of winds away from the equator (then back towards it again), the role of ocean currents bringing warm southern waters to the north was obvious in the current Arctic warming.

Last month, Oleg Sorokhtin, a fellow of the Russian Academy of Natural Sciences, shrugged off manmade climate change as "a drop in the bucket." Showing that solar activity has entered an inactive phase, Prof. Sorokhtin advised people to "stock up on fur coats."

He is not alone. Kenneth Tapping of our own National Research Council, who oversees a giant radio telescope focused on the sun, is convinced we are in for a long period of severely cold weather if sunspot activity does not pick up soon.

The last time the sun was this inactive, Earth suffered the Little Ice Age that lasted about five centuries and ended in 1850. Crops failed through killer frosts and drought. Famine, plague and war were widespread. Harbours froze, so did rivers, and trade ceased.

It's way too early to claim the same is about to happen again, but then it's way too early for the hysteria of the global warmers, too.

Forget global warming (http://www.nationalpost.com/opinion/columnists/story.html?id=332289)


Title: Temperature Monitors Report Widescale Global Cooling
Post by: Shammu on February 27, 2008, 03:34:52 PM
Temperature Monitors Report Widescale Global Cooling
Michael Asher (Blog) - February 26, 2008 12:55 PM

Twelve-month long drop in world temperatures wipes out a century of warming

Over the past year, anecdotal evidence for a cooling planet has exploded. China has its coldest winter in 100 years. Baghdad sees its first snow in all recorded history. North America has the most snowcover in 50 years, with places like Wisconsin the highest since record-keeping began. Record levels of Antarctic sea ice, record cold in Minnesota, Texas, Florida, Mexico, Australia, Iran, Greece, South Africa, Greenland, Argentina, Chile -- the list goes on and on.

No more than anecdotal evidence, to be sure. But now, that evidence has been supplanted by hard scientific fact. All four major global temperature tracking outlets (Hadley, NASA's GISS, UAH, RSS) have released updated data. All show that over the past year, global temperatures have dropped precipitously.

A compiled list of all the sources can be seen here.  The total amount of cooling ranges from 0.65C up to 0.75C -- a value large enough to wipe out nearly all the warming recorded over the past 100 years. All in one year's time. For all four sources, it's the single fastest temperature change ever recorded, either up or down.

Scientists quoted in a past DailyTech article link the cooling to reduced solar activity which they claim is a much larger driver of climate change than man-made greenhouse gases. The dramatic cooling seen in just 12 months time seems to bear that out. While the data doesn't itself disprove that carbon dioxide is acting to warm the planet, it does demonstrate clearly that more powerful factors are now cooling it.

Let's hope those factors stop fast. Cold is more damaging than heat. The mean temperature of the planet is about 54 degrees. Humans -- and most of the crops and animals we depend on -- prefer a temperature closer to 70.

Historically, the warm periods such as the Medieval Climate Optimum were beneficial for civilization. Corresponding cooling events such as the Little Ice Age, though, were uniformly bad news.

Temperature Monitors Report Widescale Global Cooling (http://www.dailytech.com/Temperature+Monitors+Report+Worldwide+Global+Cooling/article10866.htm)


Title: Northern Residents Lament Snowy Winter
Post by: Shammu on February 27, 2008, 03:38:29 PM
Northern Residents Lament Snowy Winter
Feb 26, 9:13 PM (ET)

By DON BABWIN

CHICAGO (AP) - Betty Stewart's Tuesday started with her stepping into a slushy puddle just long enough to get her sock wet and having her newspaper blown from her hands and getting soaked on the ground.

"Enough already," she said.

Like many others, the 30-year-old receptionist has had it with winter and what seems like unusually wet weather.

"Coming to work, people are mad at the world," said Olivia Young, a customer service associate in downtown Chicago. Winter, she said, "just puts you in an overwrought situation."

Experts say people in some northern states aren't just looking to complain; the weather this winter truly is worse in some ways.

In Boston, for example, 49.6 inches of snow has fallen this winter, or 19.3 inches more than normal. In Madison, Wis., where it never had snowed more than 76.6 inches, the city already had seen 77 inches by Feb. 12.

Last week, Grand Rapids, Mich., shattered its December-February snowfall record of 85.1 inches set in 1951-52. As of Tuesday afternoon, 90.4 inches had fallen. And though the month doesn't end until Friday, the city has a new February record of 37.1 inches, surpassing 1990's 35.5 inches.

On Tuesday, snow fell from Illinois to New England, with more than 6 inches on the ground by late morning in northern Indiana and Ohio. Up to 16 inches of snow was possible across northern Vermont, New Hampshire and Maine, the National Weather Service said.

In Chicago, more than 50 inches has fallen since the beginning of December, which is about 15 inches above normal and makes this the first winter since 1978-79 the area has seen more than 50 inches of snow, said Amy Seeley, a weather service meteorologist.

Snowy weather and fluctuating temperatures have led to Chicago having to fill in more than 60,000 potholes since Dec. 1 - nearly twice the number filled during the same period last year and, as any Chicago driver can tell you, a fraction of those out there.

Some communities are running low on road salt, scrambling to find more and reporting in some cases a spike in traffic accidents because roads are not sufficiently salted.

Officials at Southern Illinois University are lamenting ice, not snow, after it forced them to cancel classes three times this month.

"Snow, you can plow that right off," said school spokesman Rod Sievers. "But the ice was just brutal, brutal."

Evrod Cassimy knows exactly how brutal after spending 11 hours stranded in a traffic jam south of Madison, Wis. earlier this month when a storm dumped 12 to 19 inches of snow.

"I am fed up with it," said Cassimy, who lives in Rockford, Ill. and works in Madison. "It is just kind of one of those things if I hear there's snow, I just don't even want to believe it any more. I am definitely sick of it."

All this snowing, thawing and freezing has people slipping and falling on sidewalks or crashing their cars on streets as slippery as hockey rinks.

"We're definitely experiencing more ... people with broken arms, a lot of fall-type injuries, and car accidents," said Rockford Memorial Hospital spokesman Mike Wiltse. "Driveways and sidewalks are nothing but ice."

What makes it worse, people say, is it seems there's been no break, with storms arriving one after another.

"It's been endless," Roland Swanson said as he waited to cross a street in South Bend, Ind. "It just keeps coming. It's killing us by the inch."

Northern Residents Lament Snowy Winter (http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080227/D8V2CFRO0.html)
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I would not look for the UN and Gore letting go of the cash-cow called Global warming anytime soon though. I remember it snowing in Los Angeles (elevation 38 feet) back in 1967-68.........


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on February 27, 2008, 07:36:33 PM
It's like the rest of the GLOBAL INSANITY! NO! - They won't let it go, and common sense won't prevail. There's MONEY in it for the Al Gores of this world. The same is true for SUPER HIGHWAYS, NORTH AMERICAN UNIONS, ETC., ETC.

The INSANITY TRAIN has already left the station, and it's a RUNAWAY TRAIN without any brakes. This is in all areas. It appears that the INSANITY TRAIN serves the entire world.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on March 04, 2008, 10:13:21 PM
Scientists meet in NYC to challenge Gore, U.N.
Hundreds of experts assert 'alarmists' in climate debate 'have had their say'

Global warming is a natural process, not likely the result of human activities, argued more than 100 internationally prominent environmental scientists in papers presented at the 2008 International Conference on Climate Change, which concluded here today.

The conference, organized by the Heartland Institute, sought to refute the contention promoted by Al Gore and the U.N. that there is an "established scientific consensus" that human beings are causing the earth to warm catastrophically. The event attracted more than 500 people, including scientists, economists, policy experts and members of the public from around the world.

"The purpose of the conference is to provide a platform for the hundreds of scientists, economists, and policy experts who dissent from the so-called 'consensus' on global warming," said Joseph Bast, president of the Chicago-based Heartland Institute. "This is their chance to speak out."

"Is global warming 'An Inconvenient Truth,' as Vice President Al Gore charges, or a 'Global Warming Swindle?' Harriet Johnson, spokeswoman for the Heartland Institute asked in a statement distributed at the start of the three-day conference.

"The alarmists in the global warming debate have had their say – over and over again, in every newspaper in the country practically every day and in countless news reports and documentary films," a notice on the Heartland Institute website proclaims. "But they have lost the debate."

Environmental scientist S. Fred Singer kicked off the conference by releasing a report entitled, "Nature, Not Human Activity Rules the Climate," summarizing a three-year international scientific research project conducted by the Nongovernmental Panel on Climate Change, or NIPCC, that Singer headed.

"There are many factors that affect the climate," Singer told WND. "What we can now exclude by scientific evidence is the argument that greenhouse gases are an important factor in causing global warming."

Singer and the NIPCC agree that global warming occurred in the 20th century, but disagree human activity is responsible. He argues instead that natural causes are likely to be the dominant cause of the scientifically observed global warming under discussion.

The NIPCC scientists contend the U.N. agenda "is largely hypothetical and not sustained by observations" driven by complex mathematical models.

The computer models, the NIPCC scientists claim, are only valid in a "virtual computer world," but fail to produce reliable real world predictions that can be empirically verified.

"Computer models undoubtedly have their place as a way of projecting possible consequences when one or more variables are changed," the NIPCC scientists wrote in their newly released report. "However, models do not represent reality, yet the IPCC persists in treating them as if they do."

The newly released NIPCC report presents scientific evidence that solar-wind variability is a primary cause of climate change, a better explanation for 20th century warming than greenhouse gas effects.

Moreover, the NIPCC report argues the IPCC's estimates of future human-generated carbon dioxide emissions are too high and the higher concentrations of carbon dioxide that can be attributed to human activity have been beneficial to plant and animal life.

"Global warming is attributable to natural causes," Singer told WND, "so in that sense global warming is unstoppable, regardless what measures Al Gore or the U.N. want to impose on us with new international governmental regulations."

"Unstoppable Global Warming – Every 1,500 Years" is the title of Singer's New York Times best-selling book, co-authored with Hudson Institute scientist Dennis T. Avery.

Examining geological and historical data, Singer and Avery claim to have established a 1,500 year-cycle that generates warming and cooling of the earth's atmosphere, regardless of the atmospheric concentration of greenhouse gases.

The NIPCC report issued at the New York City conference was written to counter the work of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, or IPCC, a scientific panel established in 1988 by the U.N. to evaluate the risk of climate change.

The IPCC and Gore and the won the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize for efforts to disseminate their theory about man-made climate change.

The IPCC released a report Nov. 17 in Valencia, Spain, entitled, "Climate Change 2007," arguing "much of the observed increase in globally averaged temperatures since the mid-20th century is very likely due to the observed increase in anthropogenic GHG (greenhouse gas) concentrations."

The U.N. has utilized the IPCC to launch an aggressive agenda, largely supporting the Kyoto Protocol, calling for the establishment of a global response to climate change.

At the core of the U.N. agenda is an array of recommended governmental policies designed to reduce carbon dioxide emissions, including the creation an international carbon market that imposes economic penalties for non-compliance.

"Al Gore and the U.N. have a fixation with the argument that we cause global warming," Singer said. "Besides that, look at the billions of tax dollars going into various schemes like subsidizing biofuels. We're being charged twice by the global warming alarmists – once in new taxes the U.N. is planning to impose on us and then again as consumers who will ultimately have to bear the cost of these new global taxes."


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on March 04, 2008, 10:27:40 PM
YEAH!! - It's about time, and I hope that the world listens. I also heard a news spot today about the founder of a weather channel filing a law suit against Al Gore for fraud - taking money under false pretences!

If we don't stop this global nonsense, we will all pay through the nose for absolutely nothing. Our already ailing economy will also take a horrible hit if the planned NONSENSE of Al Gore is implemented.

UM? - WHAT A NOVEL FACT! - CHANGES IN THE SUN CAUSE CLIMATE CHANGE! - WHO WOULD HAVE DREAMED OF SUCH A THING?


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on March 04, 2008, 10:36:21 PM
The founder of The Weather Channel has long voiced his dissent against the fraud of global warming. He is highly upset with the networks reports on climate change and wants to sue all those that sell carbon credits for fraud.

Like he said a law suit of that nature would really get some attention. They would have to keep it out the liberal courts like those in California though in order to do any good.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on March 09, 2008, 05:17:20 PM
Snow shatters 98-year record
'We need to be smart, take care of ourselves and attempt to be helpful to others'

Midwest Cleans Up After Record Snowfall


Highway and utility crews worked overtime Sunday to recover from the huge storm that buried Ohio and other parts of the Midwest in snow and tore down power lines elsewhere.

More than 20 inches of snow fell from Friday through Saturday at Columbus, eclipsing the city's previous record of 15.3 inches set in February 1910, the National Weather Service said. Elsewhere on Saturday, 14 inches fell at Milan, Ind.; and up to a foot fell at Louisville, Ky., Buffalo, N.Y., Cleveland, Cincinnati, and parts of Tennessee. Arkansas collected a foot of snow Friday.

Many churches in the Columbus area canceled Sunday services because roads were still slippery.

Cleveland Hopkins International Airport, which shut down Saturday, reopened Sunday but flight delays and cancelations were expected as airlines tried to get their schedules back on track, spokesman Todd Payne said.

Delays also were expected at Port Columbus International Airport, where 90 percent of flights were canceled Saturday.

"We will get through this," Gov. Ted Strickland said Saturday. "The snow will stop, the wind will cease, and the sun will shine. But until that happens we need to be smart, take care of ourselves and attempt to be helpful to others."

Ohio had one traffic death linked to the weather, and four men died while shoveling snow. Two traffic deaths were blamed on the storm in western New York state and one in Tennessee. Two people were killed Friday as tornadoes spun out of the eastern edge of the weather system in Florida.

The storm also made roads slippery and snow-covered in western New York and caused flooding that closed roads in other parts of the state. On Sunday, high wind and falling temperatures created brisk wind chills in much of the state.

Utility companies in southeastern Pennsylvania said Sunday they had restored power to most of the 80,000 customers who were blacked out Saturday by power lines snapped by wind and falling tree limbs.

More than 100,000 New Jersey homes and businesses lost power at the height of thunderstorms that boiled up along the eastern part of the weather system, and some commuter train routes into New York City were blocked by fallen trees, authorities said. Wind gusted to 65 mph in New Jersey, the weather service said.

In Maryland, the storm system's wind blew a ship away from its pier Saturday in Baltimore. Coast Guard Petty Officer 3rd Class Ayla Stevens said no one was injured when the car-carrier's mooring lines broke and the ship was pushed out into the city's harbor.

People around the world have gotten hit with unusually cold weather. In June, children in Johannesburg, South Africa, woke up to snowfall, a very rare occurrence even in the southern hemisphere's winter season.

Blizzards and severe snowstorms across China in January forced the evacuation of more than 100,000 people. The weather also stopped train travel, stranding several hundred thousand passengers.

After weathering nearly five years of war, Baghdad residents thought they'd seen it all, but in January, for the first time in memory, snow fell across the city.

Residents wade through a flooded street last month in Trinidad, Bolivia. Experts say that La Nina, a periodic cooling of waters in the Pacific Ocean, is responsible for a rainy season there and is likely contributing to the cold spell around the world.

After retreating last year, Arctic sea ice is returning, giving global warming skeptics a point to argue in environmental debates.

A postal carrier braves a snow storm in Illinois last month. "The current downturn is not very unusual," said Carl Mears, a scientist at Remote Sensing Systems. "Temperatures are very likely to recover after the La Nina event is over."



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on March 10, 2008, 11:21:09 PM
Climate expert: Greenhouse equations 'totally wrong'
Global warning activist admits 'runaway warming' impossible

New derivation of equations governing the greenhouse effect reveals "runaway warming" impossible

Miklós Zágoni isn't just a physicist and environmental researcher.  He is also a global warming activist and Hungary's most outspoken supporter of the Kyoto Protocol. Or was.

That was until he learned the details of a new theory of the greenhouse effect, one that not only gave far more accurate climate predictions here on Earth, but Mars too. The theory was developed by another Hungarian scientist, Ferenc Miskolczi, an atmospheric physicist with 30 years of experience and a former researcher with NASA's Langley Research Center.

After studying it, Zágoni stopped calling global warming a crisis, and has instead focused on presenting the new theory to other climatologists. The data fit extremely well.  "I fell in love," he stated at the International Climate Change Conference this week.

"Runaway greenhouse theories contradict energy balance equations," Miskolczi states.  Just as the theory of relativity sets an upper limit on velocity, his theory sets an upper limit on the greenhouse effect, a limit which prevents it from warming the Earth more than a certain amount.

How did modern researchers make such a mistake? They relied upon equations derived over 80 years ago, equations which left off one term from the final solution.

Miskolczi's story reads like a book. Looking at a series of differential equations for the greenhouse effect, he noticed the solution -- originally done in 1922 by Arthur Milne, but still used by climate researchers today -- ignored boundary conditions by assuming an "infinitely thick" atmosphere. Similar assumptions are common when solving differential equations; they simplify the calculations and often result in a result that still very closely matches reality. But not always.

So Miskolczi re-derived the solution, this time using the proper boundary conditions for an atmosphere that is not infinite. His result included a new term, which acts as a negative feedback to counter the positive forcing. At low levels, the new term means a small difference ... but as greenhouse gases rise, the negative feedback predominates, forcing values back down.

NASA refused to release the results.  Miskolczi believes their motivation is simple.  "Money", he tells DailyTech.  Research that contradicts the view of an impending crisis jeopardizes funding, not only for his own atmosphere-monitoring project, but all climate-change research.  Currently, funding for climate research tops $5 billion per year.

Miskolczi resigned in protest, stating in his resignation letter, "Unfortunately my working relationship with my NASA supervisors eroded to a level that I am not able to tolerate.  My idea of the freedom of science cannot coexist with the recent NASA practice of handling new climate change related scientific results."

His theory was eventually published in a peer-reviewed scientific journal in his home country of Hungary.

The conclusions are supported by research published in the Journal of Geophysical Research last year from Steven Schwartz of Brookhaven National Labs, who gave statistical evidence that the Earth's response to carbon dioxide was grossly overstated.  It also helps to explain why current global climate models continually predict more warming than actually measured.

The equations also answer thorny problems raised by current theory, which doesn't explain why "runaway" greenhouse warming hasn't happened in the Earth's past.  The new theory predicts that greenhouse gas increases should result in small, but very rapid temperature spikes, followed by much longer, slower periods of cooling -- exactly what the paleoclimatic record demonstrates.

However, not everyone is convinced.  Dr. Stephen Garner, with the NOAA's Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Laboratory (GFDL), says such negative feedback effects are "not very plausible".  Reto Ruedy of NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies says greenhouse theory is "200 year old science" and doubts the possibility of dramatic changes to the basic theory.

Miskowlczi has used his theory to model not only Earth, but the Martian atmosphere as well, showing what he claims is  an extremely good fit with observational results.  For now, the data for Venus is too limited for similar analysis, but Miskolczi hopes it will one day be possible.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on March 11, 2008, 12:00:19 AM
Southern Baptists Back a Shift on Climate Change

Signaling a significant departure from the Southern Baptist Convention’s official stance on global warming, 44 Southern Baptist leaders have decided to back a declaration calling for more action on climate change, saying its previous position on the issue was “too timid.”

The largest denomination in the United States after the Roman Catholic Church, the Southern Baptist Convention, with more than 16 million members, is politically and theologically conservative.

Yet its current president, the Rev. Frank Page, signed the initiative, “A Southern Baptist Declaration on the Environment and Climate Change.” Two past presidents of the convention, the Rev. Jack Graham and the Rev. James Merritt, also signed.

“We believe our current denominational engagement with these issues has often been too timid, failing to produce a unified moral voice,” the church leaders wrote in their new declaration.

A 2007 resolution passed by the convention hewed to a more skeptical view of global warming.

In contrast, the new declaration, which will be released Monday, states, “Our cautious response to these issues in the face of mounting evidence may be seen by the world as uncaring, reckless and ill-informed.”

The document also urges ministers to preach more about the environment and for all Baptists to keep an open mind about considering environmental policy.

Jonathan Merritt, the spokesman for the Southern Baptist Environment and Climate Initiative and a seminarian at Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary in Wake Forest, N.C., said the declaration was a call to Christians to return to a biblical mandate to guard the world God created.

The Southern Baptist signatories join a growing community of evangelicals pushing for more action among believers, industry and politicians. Experts on the Southern Baptist Convention noted the initiative marked the growing influence of younger leaders on the discussions in the Southern Baptist Convention.

While those younger Baptists remain committed to fight abortion, for instance, the environment is now a top priority, too.

“In no way do we intend to back away from sanctity of life,” said the Rev. Dr. Timothy George, dean of Beeson Divinity School in Birmingham, Ala.

Still, many powerful Southern Baptist leaders and agencies did not sign the declaration, including the convention’s influential political arm, the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission.

Dr. Barrett Duke, vice president for public policy at the commission, played down the differences between the declaration and the Southern Baptist Convention’s position.

The declaration says in fact that lack of scientific unanimity should not preclude “prudent action,” which includes changing individual habits and giving “serious consideration to responsible policies that effectively address” global warming.

The declaration is the outgrowth of soul-searching by Mr. Merritt, 25. The younger Mr. Merritt said that for years he had been “an enemy of the environment.” Then, he said, he had an epiphany.

“I learned that God reveals himself through Scripture and in general through his creation, and when we destroy God’s creation, it’s similar to ripping pages from the Bible,” Mr. Merritt said.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on March 11, 2008, 12:02:15 AM
Quote
“Our cautious response to these issues in the face of mounting evidence may be seen by the world as uncaring, reckless and ill-informed.”

Right there is the key statement. They are more concerned with what the world says that what the Word of God says.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on March 13, 2008, 11:05:02 AM
Baptists: No change on climate change
Blame confusion on efforts of 25-year-old seminary student

The Southern Baptist Convention wants you to know there has been no policy change on the issue of global warming.

That official statement from the denomination is meant to clarify confusion generated about the efforts of Jonathan Merritt, a 25-year-old Southern Baptist Theological Seminary student who launched a campaign from within Baptist ranks for stronger action against climate change, which he believes poses an imminent threat to mankind.

The statement titled "A Southern Baptist Declaration on the Environment and Climate Change," written by Merritt received massive media coverage – from the New York Times to the Associated Press to Reuters. It was widely portrayed as a major deviation from a more cautious stance on the controversies surrounding the seriousness of man-made catastrophic global warming.

"For the record, there has been no change in convention policy and despite the media blitz that suggests otherwise, there does not appear to be a groundswell of support for change," explained Will Hall, vice president for news services for the SBC, a member of the executive committee and executive editor of the Baptist Press. "Jonathan Merritt does not speak for the Southern Baptist Convention. Unfortunately, his use of 'Southern Baptist' in the title of his declaration misinforms the public and misrepresents the Southern Baptist Convention."

The SBC released its views on global warming last summer in the statement titled, "On Global Warming."

While not being an official document of the SBC the latest statement was signed by several high-profile Southern Baptist leaders including Merritt's father, James Merritt, a pastor and former president of the Southern Baptist Convention. In addition, the current president of the Southern Baptist Convention, Frank Page, endorsed the document as well as Jack Graham, pastor of Prestonwood Baptist Church in Plano, Texas, who was also a former president of the SBC.

Page also supported the SBC's resolution on the topic that was released last year.

During an annual meeting in San Antonio in 2007, Southern Baptist leaders spoke of the issue of global warming encouraging others "to proceed cautiously in the human-induced global warming debate in light of conflicting scientific research." It also endorsed public policies that safeguard "an appropriate balance between care for the environment, effects on economics, and impacts on the poor when considering programs to reduce" carbon and other emissions.

"Southern Baptists have long stood for a clear environmental message which takes seriously God's call to guard and keep the earth," Page said. "We have been balanced and responsive in our calls for care. ... However, in a broader sense, many of God's people have been timid about speaking out regarding issues which relate to environmentalism. Perhaps this timidity has been a fear that speaking out would tie us to the very extreme left wing liberal environmental lobby. Some in this group are known for harsh political tirades. Others have issued irresponsible calls for economic change which would devastate the economies of some of the poorest nations in the world."


Merritt, who is the project director of the Southern Baptist Environment and Climate Initiative, explained in a teleconference March 10, that his inspiration for the resolution came during a theology class.

"In the lecture my professor made the statement that when we destroy creation, which is God's revelation, it is no different than tearing a page out of the Bible," he said. "At that moment, God began to work in my heart and call me to do something. It is the product of that nudge from God that day."

Merritt's statement reads, "current denominational engagement with these issues has often been too timid, failing to produce a unified moral voice. Our cautious response to these issues in the face of mounting evidence may be seen by the world as uncaring, reckless and ill-informed. We can do better."

The resolution is signed by 46 leaders in the SBC.

The newly released resolution has four main points:

    * Human beings have a responsibility to care for creation and acknowledge their participation in environmental decline.
    * Addressing climate change is prudent.
    * Stewardship of the earth is required by Christian and Southern Baptist beliefs.
    * Individuals, churches, communities and governments should act now.

The statement also emphasizes the signers differ with many environmentalists on population control issues and maintain the SBC positions on biblical marriage and protecting the unborn.

"We will never compromise our convictions nor attenuate our advocacy on these matters, which constitute the most pressing moral issues of our day," the statement says. "However, we are not a single-issue body."

The lack of endorsement of the final document by the SBC's Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission was notable. In a teleconference, Merritt said that the ERLC has provided input in early drafts of the resolution, but did not endorse the final draft.

ERLC President Richard Land stated that he would not endorse the resolution in a statement to the Baptist Press to preserve the autonomy of the Southern Baptists.

"They reserve to themselves the right to decide through Convention action what the Southern Baptist Convention's public policy positions are to be," Land said. "The ERLC will continue to share the officially adopted positions of the Convention with public policy makers and the media."

In addition, Land commented on the signers' allegation that the SBC has been "too timid" in handling the stated issues.

"The convention has officially addressed the issues of creation care and environmental stewardship in its 2006 and 2007 conventions through resolutions adopted by the convention's duly elected messengers," Land said. Referring to the 2007 action, he added that the approved action "is as close to an 'official' position as the SBC is capable of making, apart from its formal confession of faith, the Baptist Faith and Message. Consequently, in our convention-assigned role to share faithfully with Washington and other public policy venues where the convention is on an issue, it would be misleading and unethical of the ERLC to promote a position at variance with the convention's expressly stated positions."


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on March 13, 2008, 11:43:03 PM
The Washington Post-er Child for Climate Bias

Washington Post reporter Juliet Eilperin leads the pack in this year’s contest for biased climate journalism.
 
Eilperin’s March 10 article entitled, “Carbon Output Must Near Zero To Avert Danger, New Studies Say” has the same sort of journalistic objectivity that one might expect from totalitarian state-controlled media.
 
With nary a critical word about the computer models used to project increases in global temperature, Eilperin touted two new model-dependent studies that “suggest that both industrialized and developing nations must wean themselves off fossil fuels by as early as mid-century in order to prevent warming that could change precipitation patterns and dry up sources of water worldwide.”
 
“Using advanced computer models to factor deep-sea warming and other aspects of the carbon cycle that naturally creates and removes carbon dioxide, the scientists, from countries including the United States, Canada and Germany, are delivering a simple message: The world must bring carbon emissions down to near zero to keep temperatures from rising further,” Eilperin reported.
 
But none of the models in the studies -- nor for that matter any other mathematical model of global climate -- has proven to be particularly useful. No model has been validated against historical climate data. So why would any rational person assume that they can be used to predict future climate or serve as a basis for developing national energy policy?
 
As reported in this column last December, global climate models uniformly predict significantly warmer atmospheric temperatures than have actually occurred.

Such model failure should come as no surprise since they have many built-in biases, including the unproven assumption that atmospheric carbon dioxide drives global climate. But all the available real-life data -- including 20th century records and ice core samples stretching back 650,000 years -- fail to support such a cause-and-effect relationship. The ice core samples show, in fact, an opposite relationship.
 
Eilperin, who has long reported on climate for the Washington Post, must know about the models’ problems, but she apparently chooses not to report it.

In her March 4 Post article, Eilperin mentioned a report by a number of climate experts from around the world entitled, “Nature Not Human Activity, Rules the Climate.”  She even interviewed one of the experts for her story.
 
A section of that report, entitled “Climate Models Are Not Reliable” discusses in plain language how climate models don’t consider solar dimming and brightening, don’t accurately control for clouds, don’t simulate the potential feedback effects of water vapor, don’t explain many features of the Earth’s observed climate, and don’t produce reliable predictions of regional (let alone global) climate change.
 
At JunkScience.com, we label climate modeling as PlayStation® Climatology, with no disrespect intended toward Sony since its PlayStation games are in fact what they purport to be -- just games.
 
Not content with ignoring viewpoints she doesn’t like, Eilperin goes on to diminish, if not ridicule critics of her apparent point of view.
 
Eilperin’s March 4 article featured four ad hominem attacks from three environmental activists, abusing those who question global warming orthodoxy as members of a “flat Earth society” and participants in the “climate equivalent of Custer’s last stand.” If Eilperin wants to poke fun at those who disagree with her on public policy issues, she ought to write an opinion, rather than a news column.

Another disturbing aspect of Eilperin’s article was the accompanying photo of downtown Beijing.

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 The photo was captioned, “A heavy haze could be seen in Beijing in August 2007. Two recent reports call for a heightened global effort to reduce carbon emissions.”
 
The juxtaposition of the article and photo clearly implied that unless we cut carbon dioxide emissions, U.S. cities would soon look like Beijing.
 
But as virtually anyone who breathes knows, carbon dioxide is an invisible gas. Not only can you not see it, there’s no possible way for carbon dioxide emissions to cause smog, haze or whatever was fouling Beijing’s air in the photo.
 
The irrelevant and misleading nature of the photo has been pointed out to Eilperin, Washington Post ombudsman Deborah Howell and the paper’s editors. As of the writing of this column, none have responded and it remains to be seen whether the Washington Post has the journalistic integrity to remove the photo from its web site and publish a correction in its print edition.
 
It’s quite possible that if Eilperin and the many other members of the mainstream media who so far have been in the tank for global warming started reporting on the very real debate about climate model validity rather than simply regurgitating what the agenda-driven modelers tell them, then we could avert the looming national economic disaster that Congress is preparing for the next president to sign into law.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on March 13, 2008, 11:47:20 PM
Something that even this article fails to mention is that bringing CO2 levels close to zero would be hazardous to all life on earth. CO2 is required plant life. That is why it is called a greenhouse gas in the first place. It is a gas that is needed in greenhouses and often artificially increased in greenhouses in order to obtain healthier plants. Zero CO2 levels would mean the demise of plants and therefore the demise of humans.

A really big DOH!



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on March 13, 2008, 11:59:45 PM
... as attested to by a company that designs and builds greenhouses and provides associated supplies for them:


Use of CO2 in Greenhouses

Carbon dioxide is one of the essential ingredients in green plant growth and is a primary environmental factor in greenhouses. CO2 enrichment at 2, 3 or four times natural concentration will cause plants to grow faster and improve plant will quality.

Modern growers are becoming increasingly aware of the value of CO2. Particularly now that most greenhouses are purposely shutting out CO2 [air] to conserve energy.

Carbon dioxide is an odorless gas and a minor constituent in the air we breathe. It comprises only .03% [ 300 parts per million, or PPM] of the atmosphere, but is virtually important to all life on this planet!

Plants are made up of about 90% carbon and water with other elements like nitrogen calcium, magnesium, potassium, phosphorus and trace elements making up only a small percentage. Almost all the carbon in plants comes from this minor 300 ppm of carbon dioxide in the air.

The process called photosynthesis is that plants take in CO2 through pores called stoma, in their leaves during the daylight hours. They give off oxygen at the same time. Without this oxygen animal and human life would not be possible.

The reason you will get more rapid and efficient growth and better plant quality with a higher CO2 level is because plants must absorb CO2 in combination with water, soil nutrients and sunlight which produces sugars which are vital for growth. If any of these elements are missing or low, plant growth will be retarded. When CO2 is increased to over 1000 ppm it results in higher production and plant quality.

The best time to add CO2 is from dawn to dusk. CO2 ranges from 400 to 500 ppm during the night due to plant respiration. Right after sunrise a level will drop to about 300 ppm. After three to four hours of early sun light it will drop to 100 to 250 ppm at which time growth will stop. If you add CO2 during the winter months when ventilators are closed and CO2 concentrations are low, you will get increased yield and bloom which normally happens during the spring and summer.

This is a formula which can be used to figure what amount of CO2 must be added to reach 1000 ppm.
9 ft.ł of CO2 per hour per 1000 ft.˛ yields 1000 ppm

When there is sunlight and vents are closed you should be adding CO2 continuously to your greenhouse. If the vents are open because of heat you should continue to add CO2 for two additional hours.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on March 14, 2008, 12:05:00 AM
As does the Ministry of Agriculture, Food and Rural Affairs of Ontario, Canada.

The benefits of carbon dioxide supplementation on plant growth and production within the greenhouse environment have been well understood for many years.

Carbon dioxide (CO2) is an essential component of photosynthesis (also called carbon assimilation). Photosynthesis is a chemical process that uses light energy to convert CO2 and water into sugars in green plants. These sugars are then used for growth within the plant, through respiration. The difference between the rate of photosynthesis and the rate of respiration is the basis for dry-matter accumulation (growth) in the plant. In greenhouse production the aim of all growers is to increase dry-matter content and economically optimize crop yield. CO2 increases productivity through improved plant growth and vigour. Some ways in which productivity is increased by CO2 include earlier flowering, higher fruit yields, reduced bud abortion in roses, improved stem strength and flower size. Growers should regard CO2 as a nutrient.

For the majority of greenhouse crops, net photosynthesis increases as CO2 levels increase from 340–1,000 ppm (parts per million). Most crops show that for any given level of photosynthetically active radiation (PAR), increasing the CO2 level to 1,000 ppm will increase the photosynthesis by about 50% over ambient CO2 levels. For some crops the economics may not warrant supplementing to 1,000 ppm CO2 at low light levels. For others such as tulips, and Easter lilies, no response has been observed.

Carbon dioxide enters into the plant through the stomatal openings by the process of diffusion. Stomata are specialized cells located mainly on the underside of the leaves in the epidermal layer. The cells open and close allowing gas exchange to occur. The concentration of CO2 outside the leaf strongly influences the rate of CO2 uptake by the plant. The higher the CO2 concentration outside the leaf, the greater the uptake of CO2 by the plant. Light levels, leaf and ambient air temperatures, relative humidity, water stress and the CO2 and oxygen (O2) concentration in the air and the leaf, are many of the key factors that determine the opening and closing of the stomata.

Ambient CO2 level in outside air is about 340 ppm by volume. All plants grow well at this level but as CO2 levels are raised by 1,000 ppm photosynthesis increases proportionately resulting in more sugars and carbohydrates available for plant growth. Any actively growing crop in a tightly clad greenhouse with little or no ventilation can readily reduce the CO2 level during the day to as low as 200 ppm. The decrease in photosynthesis when CO2 level drops from 340 ppm to 200 ppm is similar to the increase when the CO2 levels are raised from 340 to about 1,300 ppm. As a rule of thumb, a drop in carbon dioxide levels below ambient has a stronger effect than supplementation above ambient.

During particular times of the year in new greenhouses, and especially in double-glazed structures that have reduced air exchange rates, the carbon dioxide levels can easily drop below 340 ppm which has a significant negative effect on the crop. Ventilation during the day can raise the CO2 levels closer to ambient but never back to ambient levels of 340 ppm. Supplementation of CO2 is seen as the only method to overcome this deficiency and increasing the level above 340 ppm is beneficial for most crops. The level to which the CO2 concentration should be raised depends on the crop, light intensity, temperature, ventilation, stage of the crop growth and the economics of the crop. For most crops the saturation point will be reached at about 1,000–1,300 ppm under ideal circumstances. A lower level (800–1,000 ppm) is recommended for raising seedlings (tomatoes, cucumbers and peppers) as well as for lettuce production. Even lower levels (500–800 ppm) are recommended for African violets and some Gerbera varieties. Increased CO2 levels will shorten the growing period (5%–10%), improve crop quality and yield, as well as, increase leaf size and leaf thickness. The increase in yield of tomato, cucumber and pepper crops is a result of increased numbers and faster flowering per plant.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on March 14, 2008, 12:33:36 AM
Something that even this article fails to mention is that bringing CO2 levels close to zero would be hazardous to all life on earth. CO2 is required plant life. That is why it is called a greenhouse gas in the first place. It is a gas that is needed in greenhouses and often artificially increased in greenhouses in order to obtain healthier plants. Zero CO2 levels would mean the demise of plants and therefore the demise of humans.

A really big DOH!



 ;D   ;D   ;D    ROFL!

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Sadly, COMMON SENSE isn't communicable to GREEN INTELLECTUALS!

The GREEN INTELLECTUALS prefer to sound the ALARM that the SKY IS FALLING! SO, where's ELMER FUDD when they need him the most?   ;D


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: HisDaughter on March 15, 2008, 06:27:39 PM
A blurb from Rush Limbaugh:

RUSH: Global Warming Stack. John Coleman is back. This is the founder of the Weather Channel, 1982. He says, you know what? This whole thing, this whole global warming thing is a hoax, and it's financial fraud. The selling of carbon credits is a fraud. He wants to sue Algore, because the Algores of the world will not have a debate about this. The Algores of the world are out there and his supporters are accusing the skeptics of being "deniers." So John Coleman (paraphrased), "Let's have a lawsuit about this. If we can't get a debate, let's get a debate in a court of law and let's make these people show up and prove all this." He says out of every 100,000 molecules in the atmosphere, 38 are carbon dioxide. Thirty-eight out of 100,000, and it was 33 about five years ago. The temperature did go up in the last hundred years one degree, but we lost that degree last year.

It was so cold that we lost a degree. In one year, we lost it. What if we're heading into a cooling phase or period? So he wants to sue Gore and all these other people in a court of law, and he also lashed out the Weather Channel. He said (paraphrased), "I don't think people want to watch the Weather Channel to find out how to live. The weather is the single most important thing to people's day, day to day, planning and so forth, safety, security. It involves economics. If you're going to have a Weather Channel, you turn on the Weather Channel and get the weather. You don't get some babe telling you about your lightbulbs or showing you pictures of polar bears or what have you. Give us the weather!" I love this guy, John Coleman. He was the staff weatherman for Good Morning America back when it was worth watching, back in the eighties.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: HisDaughter on March 15, 2008, 06:32:56 PM
THE SKY IS FALLING!   ;D


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Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on March 16, 2008, 01:47:29 AM

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 ;D   ;D   ;D


I'm thinking that a yellow big-bird outfit would be more appropriate. I also think it would be nicer to the viewers if we could cover up at least part of his face with big-bird beak.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on March 16, 2008, 11:21:04 AM

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Now that is funny.


;D   ;D   ;D


I'm thinking that a yellow big-bird outfit would be more appropriate. I also think it would be nicer to the viewers if we could cover up at least part of his face with big-bird beak.

That would be denigrating Big Bird because I think that Big Bird shows more intelligence (at least part of the time).




Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on March 16, 2008, 01:05:44 PM
Quote
That would be denigrating Big Bird because I think that Big Bird shows more intelligence (at least part of the time).

 ;D   ;D

My Apologies to Big Bird. Maybe GOOFY would be appropriate, at least to continue the sales job on GLOBAL WARMING.

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Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Littleboy on March 16, 2008, 02:47:48 PM
I wish i knew how to put my pictures on here.
I have one with him AS Rainman walking next to bill, Charlie Babbot!
Man is it funny!
"Smart, BUT SO STUPID"!
YLBD


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on March 16, 2008, 05:56:29 PM
Hello Littleboy,

Try the link below for help on posting pictures. It's in the questions and answers area. There are several more posts there and elsewhere about posting graphics.

http://forums.christiansunite.com/index.php?topic=9751.msg217960#msg217960

The big thing that a lot of people don't understand is that you must have LIVE and HOT links on the Internet for the graphic or photo to be able to post it on forum or anywhere else. Just having it on your own computer won't work because there is no LIVE and HOT link from your computer with an address the Internet can use and understand.

Your computer uses a file structure to find individual files. The Internet uses addresses assigned to servers, and those servers are ready to display that address 24/7. An example is the Internet address assigned to the help information I gave you above, the one that starts with "http:". If the same information was already on your computer, it might be found in the file structure as something like this:

c:\help\graphics.txt

The Internet doesn't understand the file structure on your computer, and the individual files on your computer don't have Internet addresses UNLESS your computer is a Web Site, an FTP site, or a SERVER site of some sort specifically designed to deliver or display files. Each of those files will have an Internet address that the entire Internet understands and can access.

There are quite a few FREE services on the Internet that you can use to store your graphics. It assigns the Internet address, and you simply use the addresses it supplies anywhere you wish. Here's one example and the one I use:

http://photobucket.com/

All you have to do is sign up for an account, and the service is FREE. There are easy instructions for uploading the graphics you want to use. Each graphic is given a specific Internet address that is a LIVE AND HOT LINK 24/7. I just gave you one example. There are many FREE SERVERS that store and deliver graphics. Once you have working Internet addresses for your graphics, they can be posted here with the IMAGE command button. You will see this button while making a new post. It's over the posting window - second row down - second from the left. It becomes very easy once you've used it a couple of times. Each forum is different, but this one has very easy to use command buttons right over the posting window. You don't have to remember any hard commands, rather you just click an easy to use command button.

By the way, there's also an excellent HELP SYSTEM built into the forum. Just click the HELP BUTTON near the top of your screen and see detailed instructions for just about everything that can be done on the forum. However, the COMMAND BUTTONS while posting a new message do most of the work for you without the need to know a ton of details.

I hope this helps.

Love In Christ,
Tom

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Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on March 18, 2008, 11:43:52 PM
November 2nd, 1922. Arctic Ocean Getting Warm; Seals Vanish and Icebergs Melt.

A Washington, D.C. resident John Lockwood was conducting research at the Library of Congress and came across an intriguing headline in the Nov. 2, 1922 edition of The Washington Post: Arctic Ocean Getting Warm; Seals Vanish and Icebergs Melt.


Here is the text of the Washington Post (Associated Press) article:

    The Arctic ocean is warming up, icebergs are growing scarcer and in some places the seals are finding the water too hot, according to a report to the Commerce Department yesterday from Consul Ifft, at Bergen, Norway.
    Reports from fishermen, seal hunters and explorers, he declared, all point to a radical change in climate conditions and hitherto unheard-of temperatures in the Arctic zone. Exploration expeditions report that scarcely any ice has been met with as far north as 81 degrees 29 minutes. Soundings to a depth of 3,100 meters showed the gulf stream still very warm.
    Great masses of ice have been replaced by moraines of earth and stones, the report continued, while at many points well known glaciers have entirely disappeared. Very few seals and no white fish are found in the eastern Arctic, while vast shoals of herring and smelts, which have never before ventured so far north, are being encountered in the old seal fishing grounds.


UPDATE:

The source report of the Washington Post article on changes in the arctic has been found in the Monthly Weather Review for November 1922. It is much more detailed than the Washington Post (Associated Press) article. It seems the AP heaviliy relied on the report from Norway Consulate George Ifft.



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I wonder where the man-made CO2 came from then? Antique SUV's?



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on March 19, 2008, 01:18:48 AM
 ;D   ;D   ;D

This is a perfect example of why Al Gore's Global Warming con game is so hilarious. I've also wanted to send Al an email to inform him that most areas of earth have seasons. In others words, there is a natural variance in temperature every year.   ::)

I think that they taught all of us in school that we would freeze to death without the sun. UM? - Increases in solar activity might cause more heat - AND decreases in solar activity might cause more cold.   :o   Most folks are SHOCKED when they figure this out.    :o


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on March 29, 2008, 01:59:25 PM
Increased Knowledge About Global Warming Leads To Apathy, Study Shows

The more you know the less you care—at least that seems to be the case with global warming. A telephone survey of 1,093 Americans by two Texas A&M University political scientists and a former colleague indicates that trend, as explained in their recent article in the peer-reviewed journal Risk Analysis.

“More informed respondents both feel less personally responsible for global warming, and also show less concern for global warming,” states the article, titled “Personal Efficacy, the Information Environment, and Attitudes toward Global Warming and Climate Change in the USA.”

The study showed high levels of confidence in scientists among Americans led to a decreased sense of responsibility for global warming. The diminished concern and sense of responsibility flies in the face of awareness campaigns about climate change, such as in the movies An Inconvenient Truth and Ice Age: The Meltdown and in the mainstream media’s escalating emphasis on the trend.

Kellstedt says the findings were a bit unexpected. The focus of the study, he says, was not to measure how informed or how uninformed Americans are about global warming, but to understand why some individuals who are more or less informed about it showed more or less concern. “In that sense, we didn’t really have expectations about how aware or unaware people were of global warming,” he says. But, he adds, “The findings that the more informed respondents were less concerned about global warming, and that they felt less personally responsible for it, did surprise us. We expected just the opposite.”


Icecap Note: This is why the alarmists and their cheerleaders in the media try to paint the issue as settled and suppress alternative information. The public is too smart.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on March 29, 2008, 02:00:21 PM
Sorry Media and Alarmist Websites: Antarctica Ain’t Cooperating

Literally thousands of websites on global warming claim that the icecaps are melting at an unprecedented rate due to emissions of greenhouse gases (particularly from the United States), and in case you cannot picture what that looks like, the sites feature an endless number of pictures of blocks of ice floating away from Antarctica (the really effective pictures have a few penguins floating away as well). National Geographic magazine featured a cover story entitled “The Big Thaw,” and based on what you would see in that issue, you would think there is absolutely no debate about rapid and undesirable changes occurring in Antarctica all due to the dreaded global warming phenomenon. As we have shown over and over, nothing could be further from the truth!

When discussing changes (or the lack thereof) in Antarctica, the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) most clearly states in their 2007 summary report “Antarctic sea ice extent continues to show inter-annual variability and localized changes but no statistically significant average trends, consistent with the lack of warming reflected in atmospheric temperatures averaged across the region.” Furthermore, IPCC just as clearly states “Current global model studies project that the Antarctic ice sheet will remain too cold for widespread surface melting and is expected to gain in mass due to increased snowfall.” It would take anyone with internet access no more than a few seconds to download the summary from the IPCC website, but once again, the facts are too inconvenient regarding what is reportedly happening in Antarctica according to the greenhouse advocates.

Another major article on temperature trends in the Antarctic has appeared in a recent issue of the Journal of Geophysical Research by a team of scientists from Ohio State University, the University of Illinois, and the Goddard Space Flight Center; the research was funded by the National Science Foundation Office of Polar Programs Glaciology Program. Monaghan et al. begin their lengthy (21 pages - quite long for geophysics) article noting that a previous research team studying Antarctica examined “station temperature records for the past 50 years and report statistically insignificant temperature fluctuations over continental Antarctica excluding the Antarctic Peninsula, with the exception of Amundsen-Scott South Pole Station, which cooled by -0.17 K decade-1 for 1958�2000.” That is correct [ despite all you have heard elsewhere on the subject, the South Pole has been cooling over the past half century. The previous research team also reported that any warming in Antarctica has slowed and the cooling has accelerated in the more recent three decades.

Literally hundreds of articles could appear tomorrow re-confirming their results, the IPCC could continue to report emphatically that Antarctica is not warming (and may well be cooling), and somehow, this will all translate into claims that “Antarctica is warming and melting.” The truth from Antarctica is hard for the greenhouse crusade to accept (although certainly they try hard to fit it in), and in the long run, the truth from Antarctica might melt away the flimsy, well-publicized claims about global climate change-especially the concerns of a rapid sea level rise.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on March 29, 2008, 02:03:10 PM
Vast Antarctic Ice Shelf on Verge of Collapse - Latest Sign of Global Warming’s Impact Shocks

A vast ice shelf hanging on by a thin strip looks to be the next chunk to break off from the Antarctic Peninsula, the latest sign of global warming’s impact on Earth’s southernmost continent. Scientists are shocked by the rapid change of events. Glaciologist Ted Scambos of the University of Colorado was monitoring satellite images of the Wilkins Ice Shelf and spotted a huge iceberg measuring 25 miles by 1.5 miles (37 square miles) that appeared to have broken away from the shelf. Scambos alerted colleagues at the British Antarctic Survey (BAS) that it looked like the entire ice shelf - about 6,180 square miles (about the size of Northern Ireland)- was at risk of collapsing. The region where the Wilkins Ice Shelf lies has experienced unprecedented warming in the past 50 years, with several ice shelves retreating in the past 30 years. Six of these ice shelves have collapsed completely: Prince Gustav Channel, Larsen Inlet, Larsen A, Larsen B, Wordie, Muller and the Jones Ice Shelf. See MSNBC version of this story here.

Icecap Note: Let’s put this in perspective. The account may be misinterpreted by some as the ice cap or a significant (vast) portion is collapsing. In reality it and all the former shelves that collapsed are small and most near the Antarctic peninsula which sticks well out from Antarctica into the currents and winds of the South Atlantic and lies in a tectonically active region with surface and subsurface active volcanic activity. The vast continent has actually cooled since 1979. 

The full Wilkins 6,000 square mile ice shelf is just 0.39% of the current Antarctic ice cover (just 0.1% of the extent last September). A very small piece broke off as an iceberg (37 square miles). Then only a small portion of it around 160 square miles partially disintegrated late this February into early March. That represents just 2.67% of the full Wilkins ice sheet and 0.01% of the total Antarctic icecover (0.003% of its level last September), a little like an icicle falling from a snow and ice cover roof. No big deal (unless you are standing beneath it).

And this winter is coming on quickly. Satellite images show the ice has already refrozen around the broken pieces and expanded. In fact the ice is returning so fast, it is running an amazing 60% ahead (4.0 vs 2.5 million square km extent) of last year when it set a new record. The ice extent is already approaching the second highest level for extent since the measurements began by satellite in 1979 and just a few days into the Southern Hemisphere fall season and 6 months ahead of the peak. We are very likely going to exceed last year’s record. Yet the world is left with the false impression Antarctica’s ice sheet is also starting to disappear.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on March 29, 2008, 08:51:24 PM
Quote
Literally hundreds of articles could appear tomorrow re-confirming their results, the IPCC could continue to report emphatically that Antarctica is not warming (and may well be cooling), and somehow, this will all translate into claims that “Antarctica is warming and melting.” The truth from Antarctica is hard for the greenhouse crusade to accept (although certainly they try hard to fit it in), and in the long run, the truth from Antarctica might melt away the flimsy, well-publicized claims about global climate change-especially the concerns of a rapid sea level rise.

BUT, the "Greenhouse Crusade" members are LUNATICS!  Don't we already KNOW THIS?


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: HisDaughter on March 29, 2008, 11:00:57 PM
You couldn't tell a Seattlite there was any global warming right now.  It snowed yesterday and a bit today!  Nothing that stuck around but it's the end of March for Pete's sake!

In Christ,
Yvette


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on April 01, 2008, 05:35:38 PM
British policy advisor says Gore is in 'panic' mode

British environmental analyst Christopher Monckton says Al Gore's latest attack on global warming skeptics shows the former vice president and other climate alarmists are "panicking."

On Sunday, CBS News correspondent Leslie Stahl asked Al Gore on the television show 60 Minutes what he thinks of people like Vice President Dick Cheney who doubt that global warming is caused by human activity.
 
"I think that those people are in such a tiny, tiny minority now with their point of view, they're almost like the ones who still believe that the moon landing was staged in a movie lot in Arizona, and those who believe the earth is flat," replied Gore. "That demeans them a little bit, but it's not that far off."
 
However, Lord Christopher Monckton, a policy advisor for former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher during the 1980s, says the former vice president can enjoy his "flat earth fantasies" for a few months, but in the end, the world will be laughing at him.
 
"The alarmists are alarmed, the panic mongers are panicking, the scare mongers are scared; the Gores are gored. Why? Because global warming stopped ten years ago; it hasn't got warmer since 1998," he points out. "And in fact in the last seven years, there has been a downturn in global temperatures equivalent on average to about [or] very close to one degree Fahrenheit per decade. We're actually in a period ... of global cooling."
 
Monckton contends Gore is now "panicking" because he has staked his reputation as a former American VP on "telling the world that we're all doomed unless we shut down 90 percent of the Western economies." He also contends that Gore is the largest "global-warming profiteer."
 
Gore's group The Alliance for Climate Protection is currently launching a new $300 million ad campaign that demands reforms in environmental law to help reduce the supposed "climate crisis." But Monckton points out that in the U.K., Gore is not allowed to speak in public about his "green investment company" because to do so would violate racketeering laws by "peddling a false prospectus." He says that fact came about after a British high court found Gore's movie, An Inconvenient Truth, riddled with errors.
 
Monckton challenged Gore to an internationally televised debate on climate change last year.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on April 01, 2008, 07:48:05 PM
Al Gore's Global Warming is one of the most ridiculous large scale frauds I've ever seen. It's only worth 36 Billion plus to Gore and his friends. The end result should be prison for all of them.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Shammu on April 02, 2008, 12:05:42 AM
Quote
British environmental analyst Christopher Monckton says Al Gore's latest attack on global warming skeptics shows the former vice president and other climate alarmists are "panicking."

They are about to lose their gravy train they been riding, making money. Someone should take Gore to court, and sue him for false advertisement.  ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on April 02, 2008, 11:42:18 AM
They are about to lose their gravy train they been riding, making money. Someone should take Gore to court, and sue him for false advertisement.  ;D ;D ;D

I think they need to throw the book at Gore and his fellow criminals. This is a massive fraud with tons of money already involved, and it should result in criminal and civil prosecution to the limit of the law. AL GORE'S GLOBAL WARMING FRAUD IS REALLY A GIANT CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY!


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on April 03, 2008, 11:07:31 AM
Ted Turner predicts 'mass cannibalism' by 2040
Says crops will have been destroyed by global warming

The year 2040 – or about then – will find the world's crops dead, most of the people in a similar state of decay, and those few left alive will be cannibals, according to a prediction from Ted Turner, founder of Turner Broadcasting and CNN.

His comments came in an hour-long interview with Charlie Rose on PBS, and some of his comments about the environment, the U.S. war on terror and the U.S. military were compiled by Newsbusters into an abbreviated video.

"Civilization will have broken down. The few people left will be living in a failed state like Somalia or the Sudan," Turner said. He said the living conditions will be intolerable.

The media mogul was being interviewed in his role as founder of the United Nations Foundation, to which he has donated hundreds of millions of dollars in pursuit of solutions to global "problems."

He said drastic action – immediately – is required to address global warming.

"Not doing it will be catastrophic. We'll be eight degrees hotter in 10, not 10 but 30 or 40 years and basically none of the crops will grow. Most of the people will have died and the rest of us will be cannibals," he said.

He said civilization will have collapsed and "the droughts will be so bad there'll be no more corn grown. Not doing it is suicide."

WND previously has reported on multiple challenges by top scientists and their organizations to the theory that global warming is caused by man and is ravaging the world.

The recent 2008 International Conference on Climate Change, for example, refuted repeatedly the contention promoted by Al Gore, the U.N., and Turner that there is an "established scientific consensus" humans are causing the Earth to warm catastrophically.

The conference was organized by the Heartland Institute and attracted hundreds of experts and scientists.

"The alarmists in the global warming debate have had their say – over and over again, in every newspaper in the country practically every day and in countless news reports and documentary films," a notice on the Heartland Institute website proclaims. "But they have lost the debate."

Environmental scientist S. Fred Singer kicked off the conference by releasing a report entitled, "Nature, Not Human Activity Rules the Climate," summarizing a three-year international scientific research project conducted by the Nongovernmental Panel on Climate Change, or NIPCC, that Singer headed.

"There are many factors that affect the climate," Singer told WND. "What we can now exclude by scientific evidence is the argument that greenhouse gases are an important factor in causing global warming."

Singer and the NIPCC agree that global warming occurred in the 20th century, but disagree human activity is responsible. He argues instead that natural causes are likely to be the dominant cause of the scientifically observed global warming under discussion.

The NIPCC scientists contend the U.N. agenda "is largely hypothetical and not sustained by observations" driven by complex mathematical models.

Turner also said the population is another problem that must be handled.

"We've got to stabilize the population. When I was born…," he said.

Rose asked what is wrong with the population.

"We're too many people. That's why we have global warming. We have global warming because too many people are using too much stuff. If there were less people, they'd be using less stuff," he said.

He also launched verbal offensives against the U.S. war on terror, describing war as senseless and suggesting a cutback in military budgets.

"Right now the U.S. is spending $500 billion a year on the military which is more than all 190 countries in the world put together. The two countries that the military-industrial complex and some of the politicians would like to demonize and make enemies are Russia and China. China just wants to sell us shoes. They're not building landing craft to attack the United States. And Russia wants to be our friends, too," he said.

Turner said he is sure of that because "I spent time with the Chinese and Russians."

He said even if China and Russia are increasing their military budgets, they are not "credible expenditures."

And even with the U.S. "$500 billion military budget, we can't win in Iraq. We're being beaten by insurgents who don't even have any tanks, they don't have a headquarters, they don't have a Pentagon. We don't even know if they have any generals."

When Rose pointed out that the insurgents have used a lot of roadside bombs, and asked Turner where he thought they were obtained, Turner took off in another direction.

"I think that they're patriots and that they don't like us because we've invaded their country and occupied it. I think if the Iraqis were in Washington, D.C., we'd be doing the same thing: we'd be bombing them too. Nobody wants to be invaded," he said.

He compared Iraq to Vietnam.

"All we have to do is look at Vietnam. In Vietnam, we killed three million Vietnamese. They never attacked us, we attacked them. It was another one of these pre-emptive wars like the war in Iraq. And we lost 50,000. They lost three million. That's like 60 for one. But at the end of 18 years we left and the Vietnamese were there," he said. "I'm just so glad, because I think about it a lot, that the Vietnamese, the North Vietnamese, didn't give us an ultimatum that we couldn't leave Vietnam until we signed a decoration of surrender, you know, so they could get that on tape just like the Japanese surrendered on the Missouri."

He said the U.S. isn't the first superpower to have gotten "beaten" in the Middle East region. He said Russian earlier lost in Afghanistan, when he said the U.S. was helping Osama bin Laden.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on April 03, 2008, 11:32:15 AM
 ;D   ;D   ;D

Wasn't this guy married to Hanoi Jane?

It sounds like his elevator doesn't go to the top floor and the porch light might be burned out!


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on April 03, 2008, 12:10:48 PM
Yep, he was. Maybe that's the reason for the elevator and lightbulb malfunctions.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on April 04, 2008, 12:36:11 AM
World needs more CO2, environment confab told
'There will be significant cooling very soon,' asserts solar scientist

 You could have heard a pin drop at the Hong Kong conference designed to persuade the airline industry to cut back on its production of so-called greenhouse gases to fight "global warming."

The "Greener Skies 2008" conference had just heard from David Archibald, a solar scientist asserting that climate change is mostly dictated by solar cycles, not carbon dioxide levels, as conventional wisdom suggests.

Archibald didn't just tell the group not to worry about carbon dioxide emissions. He told those gathered they should figure out ways of increasing CO2 output.

"In a few short years, we will have a reversal of the warming of the 20th century," Archibald warned, according to CargoNews Asia. "There will be significant cooling very soon. Our generation has known a warm, giving sun, but the new generation will suffer a sun that is less giving, and the earth will be less fruitful. Carbon dioxide is not even a little bit bad – it's wholly beneficial."

One observer at the February conference said there would have been fewer jaws dropping had Archibald stripped off his clothes before the assembled.

"Plant growth responds to atmospheric carbon dioxide enrichment," he continued. "In a world of higher atmospheric carbon dioxide, crops will use less water per unit of carbon dioxide uptake. Thus the productivity of semi-arid lands will increase the most."

But the real shocker was not just his unorthodox view of carbon dioxide. Unlike most of those in the conference, Archibald doesn't see a future threat of global warming, but an imminent and dire future of global cooling.

"We will need this increase in agricultural productivity to offset the colder weather coming," he said. "It also follows that if the developed countries of the world want to be caring and sharing to the countries of the Third World, the best thing that could be done for them is to increase atmospheric carbon dioxide levels. It is the equivalent of giving them free phosphate fertilizer. Who would want to deny the Third World such a wonderful benefit?''

After Archibald's speech, Martin Craigs, president of Aerospace Forum Asia, went to the microphone and asked: "Don't you have Al Gore's e-mail address?" "How can you be right and 2,000 scientists wrong?"

Archibald replied: "I am happy to share the science. It's all reputable."



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on April 04, 2008, 09:34:38 AM
Quote
The "Greener Skies 2008" conference had just heard from David Archibald, a solar scientist asserting that climate change is mostly dictated by solar cycles, not carbon dioxide levels, as conventional wisdom suggests.

 ;D   ;D   ;D    ROFL!

IMAGINE THIS! - Solar cycles could actually have something to do with heat and cold. I thought this WAS conventional wisdom!

UM? - Solar Activity Increases = More Heat

UM? - Solar Activity Decreases = Less Heat

UM? - Dramatic Solar Activity Change = Dramatic Earth Temperature Change

_______________________________

I thought that the above is almost as basic as light when the sun comes up and increasing darkness when the sun goes down.
   ;D

BUT, not all of us can be Al Gore, nor do we wish to be Al Gore!


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on April 04, 2008, 10:32:07 AM
Al Gore is always in the dark so he couldn't tell that it gets cooler at night without the sun. What was it that he said about a flat earth ....

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on April 04, 2008, 11:05:05 AM
Al Gore is always in the dark so he couldn't tell that it gets cooler at night without the sun. What was it that he said about a flat earth ....

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D



 ;D   ;D

We might have to find another way of explaining things to Al - maybe pictures that he can color with crayons. Explaining things to Al all at once would  be too much, so let's go SLOW!

(http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i160/tlr10/weath/weath148.gif)
 
 


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on April 04, 2008, 11:18:07 AM
 ;D ;D

That's a good idea. Wouldn't want him to suffer from sun shock.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: HisDaughter on April 04, 2008, 10:46:08 PM
Al Gore is always in the dark so he couldn't tell that it gets cooler at night without the sun. What was it that he said about a flat earth ....

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D



Remember he's the same one that laughed at Ollie North when Ollie tried in vain to warn us about the most evil man he had ever encountered.  Goes by the name of Osama bin Laden.


Title: First movie of 'tsunami' on Sun
Post by: nChrist on April 06, 2008, 04:15:19 PM
First movie of 'tsunami' on Sun
By Paul Rincon
Science reporter, BBC News, Belfast

'Tsunami' speeds through the Sun's atmosphere (Nasa Stereo Consortium)

Astronomers have captured the first footage of a solar "tsunami" hurtling through the Sun's atmosphere at over a million kilometres per hour.

The event was captured by Nasa's twin Stereo spacecraft designed to make 3D images of our parent star.

Naturally, this type of tsunami does not involve water; instead, it is a wave of pressure that travels across the Sun very fast.

Details were reported at the UK National Astronomy Meeting in Belfast.

   In half an hour, we saw the tsunami cover almost the full disc of the Sun
David Long

In a solar tsunami, a huge explosion near the Sun, such as a coronal mass ejection or flare, causes a pressure pulse to propagate outwards in a circular pattern.

Last year's solar tsunami, which took place on 19 May 2007, lasted for about 35 minutes, reaching peak speeds about 20 minutes after the initial blast.

Co-author David Long, from Trinity College Dublin (TCD), Ireland, commented: "The energy released in these explosions is phenomenal; about two billion times the annual world energy consumption in just a fraction of a second.

"In half an hour, we saw the tsunami cover almost the full disc of the Sun, nearly a million kilometres away from the epicentre."

His colleague Dr Peter Gallagher, who is also from TCD, said the shockwave moved out exactly like a tsunami on Earth.

"A series of troughs and crests in pressure causes it to propagate outwards. But on the Sun, we have hot gas," he explained.

"When I’m talking to someone in a room, my voice is carried by pressure waves in the gas that's between us; it's the much the same on the Sun."

However, it was not exactly the same, Dr Gallagher added, because on the Sun, magnetic fields also helped the waves along. The phenomenon is therefore known as a magneto-acoustic wave.

Theory problem

Solar tsunamis were originally discovered by the Soho spacecraft almost a decade ago.

However, the observations did not fit at all well with theory: the problem was that the waves were travelling too slowly.

After the two Stereo spacecraft launched in 2006, scientists were able to get images of the Sun at a much higher rate than was possible with Soho.

And when they observed a solar tsunami again last year, their observations matched theoretical predictions.

   

"We found that the speed was probably twice as fast as we had previously thought," Dr Gallagher told BBC News.

"We've seen from this set of observations that if the time interval between images is too long, it’s easy to underestimate the speed that the waves are moving."

With Soho, the researchers were only able to take images in the upper section of the corona - the outer part of the Sun’s atmosphere.

Stereo's Extreme Ultraviolet Imager (EUVI) instruments monitor the Sun at four wavelengths, which allowed astronomers to see how the wave moved through the different layers of the solar atmosphere.

"We were able to show for the first time that this wave actually propagates almost all the way from the surface of the Sun to high up in the Sun's atmosphere," said Dr Gallagher.

The researchers even saw the pressure wave bouncing off irregular regions of the Sun’s atmosphere, generating reflections or diffraction patterns - exactly as tsunamis have been observed to do on Earth when they crash against land.

__________________________________________


Title: Solar Tsunami
Post by: nChrist on April 06, 2008, 04:20:36 PM
UM?  Common sense might cause many to wonder if a Solar Tsunami could have any impact on temperature change. BUT, let's forget it because that would involve LOGIC, and we wouldn't want LOGIC or COMMON SENSE to prevent AL GORE and HIS FRIENDS from making piles of MONEY on THEIR GLOBAL WARMING FRAUD!


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: HisDaughter on April 06, 2008, 06:47:07 PM
UM?  Common sense might cause many to wonder if a Solar Tsunami could have any impact on temperature change. BUT, let's forget it because that would involve LOGIC, and we wouldn't want LOGIC or COMMON SENSE to prevent AL GORE and HIS FRIENDS from making piles of MONEY on THEIR GLOBAL WARMING FRAUD!


What's this?  Sarcasm?..........


















then you're a man after my own heart!    (http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x125/luvmarley_bucket/cid_006701c66bbe0d2562b00900a8c0Dis.gif)


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on April 06, 2008, 08:29:42 PM

What's this?  Sarcasm?..........


















then you're a man after my own heart!    (http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x125/luvmarley_bucket/cid_006701c66bbe0d2562b00900a8c0Dis.gif)

 ;D   ;D


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YES!


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on April 12, 2008, 10:24:39 PM
Top hurricane scientist
cools to global warming
New study suggests storm frequency, intensity
may not substantially rise during next 2 centuries

One of the most vocal scientists in the field of hurricane prediction has backed away from his earlier certainty of a link between global warming and stronger hurricanes after developing a new forecasting technique that suggests a moderate increase – or even decline – in storm activity over the next 200 years.

Kerry Emanuel, a climate scientist at Massachusetts Institute of Technology, and his co-authors published their findings in the March issue of Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society.

"The results surprised me," Emanuel told the Houston Chronicle.

Emanuel's latest research tackled a problem facing hurricane prediction efforts based on climate models. Most such models, used to predict global atmospheric conditions for centuries in the future, are unable to detect individual tropical storms.

The new technique pioneered by Emanuel "downscales" the simulations by creating "seeds" of tropical systems – bits of computer code – throughout the climate model to see how they behave in terms of its global predictions.

Simulations conducted in the study satisfactorily reproduced past hurricane fluctuations, convincing the researchers it could be used for more accurate predictions.

Emanuel and his colleagues found reduction in the number of hurricanes around the world over the next two centuries with increases in intensity in some regions.

"The models are telling us something quite different from what nature seems to be telling us," Emanuel told DotEarth, the New York Times science blog.

"There are various interpretations possible, e.g. a) The big increase in hurricane power over the past 30 years or so may not have much to do with global warming, or b) The models are simply not faithfully reproducing what nature is doing. Hard to know which to believe yet.

Emanuel was among the first to publish his belief global warming was responsible for the increased number of tropical storms making U.S. landfall during the 2004 and 2005 season. Just three weeks before Hurricane Katrina struck New Orleans, Emanuel, in a paper published in Nature, wrote that a key measurement of the power dissipated by a storm during its lifetime had risen dramatically since the mid-1970s.

In the future, Emanuel concluded, 2005's hurricane activity would become the norm rather than the exception.

As WND reported, lawyer and environmentalist Robert Kennedy Jr. cited that study in blaming the Bush administration for the catastrophic damage caused by Katrina.

"The science is clear," wrote Kennedy, son of slain New York Sen. Robert F. Kennedy, in a commentary at HuffingtonPost.com. "This month, a study published in the journal Nature by a renowned MIT climatologist linked the increasing prevalence of destructive hurricanes to human-induced global warming."

The presumed global warming-hurricane link was used in promotions for Al Gore's "An Inconvenient Truth," with a satellite image of a hurricane emanating from a smokestack.

Emanuel "had the good fortune, or maybe the bad fortune, to publish when the world's attention was focused on hurricanes in 2005," Roger Pielke Jr., who studies science and policy at the University of Colorado, told the Chronicle. "Kerry's work was seized upon in the debate."

Now the debate may go in a different direction.

"The take-home message is that we've got a lot of work to do," Emanuel said of his latest findings. "There's still a lot of uncertainty in this problem. The bulk of the evidence is that hurricane power will go up, but in some places it will go down."



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on April 14, 2008, 12:25:32 PM
Bush prepares global warming initiative
'Attempt to move the administration and the party closer to the center'

President Bush is poised to change course and announce as early as this week that he wants Congress to pass a bill to combat global warming, and will lay out principles for what that should include.

Specifics of the policy are still being fiercely debated, but Bush administration officials have told Republicans in Congress that they feel pressure to act now because they fear a coming regulatory nightmare. It would be the first time Mr. Bush has called for statutory authority on the subject.

"This is an attempt to move the administration and the party closer to the center on global warming. With these steps, it is hoped that the debate over this is over, and it is time to do something," said an administration source close to the White House who is familiar with the planning and who said to expect an announcement this week.

The source requested anonymity to be able to speak on a sensitive matter still under debate. Given the arguments at the White House over the extent of the action to take, it is not clear exactly what Mr. Bush will propose, the adminstration source said.

Still, Republican members of Congress who were briefed last week let top administration officials know that they think the White House is making a mistake, according to congressional sources and others familiar with the discussions. Opponents said Mr. Bush could be setting off runaway legislation, particularly with Democrats in control of Congress.

White House spokeswoman Dana Perino would not say whether an announcement is imminent. She said discussion has continued on how to follow up on Mr. Bush's call at the Group of Eight summit last year for the U.S. to lead on a post-Kyoto Protocol worldwide framework.

The administration also is trying to head off what it sees as a regulatory disaster. Environmentalists say greenhouse gases can be regulated under existing rules under the Clean Air Act, the Endangered Species Act or the National Environmental Policy Act, and have filed lawsuits to try to force action. The Bush administration and others want to avoid a web of rules and regulations for businesses.

"The embedded regulatory trajectory that we're on is a train wreck," Mrs. Perino said. "For those who want reasonable and responsible action, it is worthwhile to have a constructive conversation as we work to keep the developing nations in this process in a way that will work to solve the problem without harming the economy."

She said the administration's discussions, both internally and with Congress, are building toward an expected debate on climate change in the Senate in June and toward the next G-8 meeting in July, when the U.S. would like to have a more specific conversation about goals for cutting greenhouse-gas emissions.

At the end of this week, U.S. officials will be in Paris for a meeting with officials from other major economic powers, where climate change is expected to be on the table. Sources in the administration and in Congress say this meeting explains the White House push.

Mrs. Perino, though, stressed that the White House does not expect countries to come to the meeting with specific proposals.

Many scientists say humans are contributing to climate change through increased carbon dioxide emissions from industry, power generation, automobiles and other sources. Some governments, including European nations, have enacted rules to try to limit their emissions, though opponents say those rules end up hurting their economies without much environmental benefit to show for it.

With Sens. John McCain, Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton, the remaining major presidential candidates, all favoring new controls on greenhouse-gas emissions, Mr. Bush could be trying to lay the groundwork for the next president.

All three candidates are on record in favor of a cap-and-trade system, such as the Europeans have. The system sets an overall limit on carbon emissions and allows polluters to buy credits from companies that stay below their carbon targets.

The congressional and administration sources said it's not clear whether Mr. Bush will go that far this week.

But Brian Kennedy, spokesman for the Institute for Energy Research, said Mr. Bush should realize that the U.S. is already ahead of the Europeans.

"U.S. taxpayers are already spending more than $40 billion a year to address climate change, and to date we're achieving better results than the Europeans are under a bureaucratic regulatory framework," he said. "That should be kept in mind before any rash — or political — decisions are made inside the White House. Excessive regulations would come with significant economic consequences and additional costs for consumers."

Christopher C. Horner, author of "The Politically Incorrect Guide to Global Warming," said the Bush administration should have seen the regulatory problems long ago and that the president is trying to solve them the wrong way.

"There's a way to responsibly do this, but calling for a bill isn't it. Democrats — and all presidential candidates — desperately want Bush to take ownership of the issue before he goes, leaving them free of the burdens of responsibility for their rhetoric," Mr. Horner said.

He said Mr. Bush should have been spending the past two years pointing out that even as the U.S. reduces the rate of growth of carbon emissions, it is taking manufacturing jobs from Europe. Nations that adopted strict carbon emissions are facing economic consequences while finding the goals impossible to meet, he said.

"The U.S. is the world leader in reducing the rate of growth of CO2 emissions while also growing its economy — faster on both counts, as with population as well, than its principal antagonist, Europe, which is suffering for reasons of political 'face' under a failed scheme that the Democrats and McCain amazingly want to burden us with," he said.

James L. Connaughton, chairman of the Council on Environmental Quality, and Keith Hennessey, a domestic policy adviser to Mr. Bush, got an earful Wednesday when they briefed House members on the options the White House is considering.

One person familiar with the meeting said several members, including Republican Reps. John Shimkus of Illinois and F. James Sensenbrenner Jr. of Wisconsin, told the White House it was making a mistake if it called for congressional action.

Spokesmen for both congressmen said their bosses didn't want to be interviewed about the meeting, which they regarded as private. Steve Tomaszewski, a spokesman for Mr. Shimkus, said the congressman's exchange with administration officials was intended to let them know the prospects under a Democrat-controlled House.

"He was emphasizing that whatever proposal the administration might be discussing would not be received favorably by the majority in Congress," Mr. Tomaszewski said. "The speaker is pretty much focused on a cap-and-trade, and anything less that you might propose would likely not be received favorably. Small steps aren't what they're looking at right now."


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on April 14, 2008, 07:46:26 PM
I'll go ahead and say it:  BIG MONEY HAS BOUGHT EVERYONE! - INCLUDING PRESIDENT BUSH!

AL GORE'S FRAUD AND CON GAME WORTH 36 + BILLION DOLLARS SHOULD BE STOPPED DEAD IN ITS TRACKS! EVERYONE INVOLVED SHOULD BE PROSECUTED TO THE FULL EXTENT OF THE LAW!


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: HisDaughter on April 14, 2008, 08:45:16 PM
Bush prepares global warming initiative
'Attempt to move the administration and the party closer to the center'

President Bush is poised to change course and announce as early as this week that he wants Congress to pass a bill to combat global warming, and will lay out principles for what that should include.


This is as far as I got and I'm too disgusted to read the rest.  Good Grief.  Has everyone gone mad?


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on April 14, 2008, 09:40:55 PM
This is as far as I got and I'm too disgusted to read the rest.  Good Grief.  Has everyone gone mad?

Almost everyone.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Shammu on April 14, 2008, 11:00:33 PM
Almost everyone.



Yuppers!!

(http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/9459/yikestm9.jpg)

They need to (http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/5027/stopglobalwhiningnk5.jpg) And look to God, for their answers!!


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on April 14, 2008, 11:22:54 PM
 ;D

I haven't gone mad - SEE - I'm still smiling!

(http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i160/tlr10/favor/favor104.gif)
 

However, I just saw a squirrel with a Mohawk haircut, so I might need to check again.  At least the squirrel wasn't armed.

(Small Print:  I think that I know what's coming next.   ;D )


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Shammu on April 14, 2008, 11:27:39 PM
;D

I haven't gone mad - SEE - I'm still smiling!

(http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i160/tlr10/favor/favor104.gif)
 

However, I just saw a squirrel with a Mohawk haircut, so I might need to check again.  At least the squirrel wasn't armed.

(Small Print:  I think that I know what's coming next.   ;D )

Oops, wrong squirrel..........................

(http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/9459/yikestm9.jpg)

Right squirrel...................... ;D ;D ;D

(http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/6102/armyrangervc5.jpg)


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on April 15, 2008, 12:13:52 AM
Oops, wrong squirrel..........................

(http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/9459/yikestm9.jpg)

Right squirrel...................... ;D ;D ;D

(http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/6102/armyrangervc5.jpg)

 ;D   ;D   ;D   ROFL! - Call the white coats - BUT ask them to get the squirrel FIRST!

I take all of that back. PLEASE let the white coats deal with the most dangerous people first - OUR POLITICIANS!


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Pizza_Mahal on April 15, 2008, 12:34:51 AM
I take all of that back. PLEASE let the white coats deal with the most dangerous people first - OUR POLITICIANS!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v512/Pizza_Al/suhids.gif)


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v512/Pizza_Al/5308tba.gif)Shoot them down, cats.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v512/Pizza_Al/Personal/cat_w_gun-738066.gif)(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v512/Pizza_Al/Personal/cat_w_gun-738066.gif)



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on April 17, 2008, 12:42:29 PM
 The Doomsday clock has been moved two minutes closer to the midnight hour

A group of scientists assessing the dangers to civilization have now added climate change to the prospects of nuclear annihilation as the greatest threats to humankind and the Doomsday Clock located in Chicago now stands at five minutes to the hour of midnight.

The directors of the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientist held discussions to assess this idea of doomsday threats to civilization and felt that the growing global nuclear instability has led humanity to the brink of a second nuclear age and that the threat posed by climate change is second only to that posed by nuclear weapons.

The assessment by the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists that we are closer to the midnight hour on the Doomsday Clock goes along with the prophetic scenario for the Last Days that can be found in Bible prophecy.

The concept timepiece, the Doomsday Clock devised by the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, was first featured by the magazine some sixty years ago shortly after the US dropped its Atomic Bomb on Japan. According to the scientists, the threats most worrisome included: Iran's nuclear ambitions, North Korea's detonation of an Atomic Bomb, the presence of twenty-six thousand launch-ready weapons by America and Russia, and the inability to secure and halt the international trafficking of nuclear materials such as highly enriched uranium and plutonium.

The concept of a Doomsday Clock does draw ones attention to the reality of the End of the World scenario that can be found in Bible prophecy. The seventeen ancient Jewish prophets in the Old Testament Scriptures reveal the Last Days scenario that alerts all students of Bible prophecy that Doomsday is quickly approaching; however, the Bible does not call for the complete annihilation of all of humankind. Revelation 6:8-9 tell us that one fourth will be killed Rev8:11 says "many men died" and 9:15 one-third of Earth's population will die in a catastrophic way. Death and destruction is ahead for this Earth and its population according to the prophetic passages of Scripture.

The truth be known, that Doomsday clock may be a bit slow.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Shammu on April 17, 2008, 02:13:25 PM
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The Doomsday clock has been moved two minutes closer to the midnight hour

I don't think they know how close they are, to God calling us home. This is only my opinion though, as we come closer to the end times.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on April 20, 2008, 03:57:18 PM
Not only has President Bush joined the global warming crew but now Newt Gingrich has jumped on the band wagon with the production of a global warming ad next to Nancy Pelosi. The ad is produced with/by Al Gore. It looks like the republicans now are also selling America out to a bunch of garbage just for the purpose of controlling the people.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: HisDaughter on April 20, 2008, 05:50:36 PM
Now Newt the Poot too, uh?  What a bunch of brainwashing, scaming, hoopla.  The thing is, there are folks that really believe this stuff.  Even Christians that I know!  Meanwhile, we've been having snow and hail here in the Greater Seattle area and it's gettin' darn close to May for crying out loud!

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Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on April 20, 2008, 09:11:29 PM
Brothers and Sisters,

All of the GLOBAL WARMING STUFF IS COMPLETE HOG-WASH. However, there are some energy issues that must be dealt with. If they told the TRUTH, what needs to be done would be much easier to accomplish.

The TRUTH is that we desperately need forms of energy OTHER THAN OIL. This has nothing at all to do with GLOBAL WARMING, rather to NATIONAL SECURITY and affordable energy for the future. We should already be HEAVILY involved with NEW nuclear plants, wind energy, solar energy, clean coal-fired energy, and all kinds of NEW TECHNOLOGY that would end our dependence on foreign oil. We also need stable prices for energy, and that can no longer be done with oil. In effect, our current dependence on oil means that our ECONOMY AND NATIONAL SECURITY can be held HOSTAGE BECAUSE OF OIL. This is TRUE, so why aren't we doing anything about it? People would understand and accept this TRUTH, but not the pack of LIES that we are currently being fed. Those pushing the lies will make tons of money until those paying the bills either go bankrupt or give up. Further, I don't think it would take long to make a significant portion of the middle class poverty stricken. It wouldn't bother the RICH PEOPLE much. In fact, the RICH PEOPLE would probably just get RICHER. However, larger and larger numbers of people would not be able to buy goods and services.

If things continue as they are now, having electricity and heating a home will cost an arm and a leg. Large portions of our population won't be able to afford it. It won't have a thing to do with the lies of GLOBAL WARMING, rather of decreasing supplies of oil and increasing demands for oil. FOR WHATEVER REASONS, THIS PART OF THE WORLD HAS INVESTED ALMOST NOTHING IN SOURCES OF ENERGY OTHER THAN OIL! So, it wouldn't take much to put us into a crisis that would probably cause our economy to collapse. IN SHORT, WE ARE IN A VERY SAD AND IGNORANT CONDITION THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GLOBAL WARMING!


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on April 21, 2008, 02:37:15 PM
“We’ve got to ride the global warming issue. Even if the
theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the
right things—in terms of economic policy and
environmental policy.”

Timothy Wirth, Former
U.S. Senator (D- Colorado)


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on April 21, 2008, 05:56:29 PM
Instead of the global warming/climate change garbage here is where gore and his ilk need to be doing something about. Of course that wouldn't put as much money in their pockets if they did that.

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Over 37.7 million people in India are affected by water-borne diseases due to contaminated drinking water supply and an estimated 1.5 million children die of diarrhoea each year, according to newly available statistics.
Compiled through collaboration between the government and the international non-government organisation (NGO) Water Aid the new figures belie official claims that 94 percent of rural 94 percent of rural and 91 percent of urban populations now have access to safe drinking water.

According to Water Aid the difference is that until now there has been no mention in official statistics of the quality of water supplied to these populations, or of its sustained year-round supply.

Lizette Burgers, chief of Water, Environment and Sanitation at UNICEF says that in spite of India’s efforts at reaching water to millions, "increasing populations, bacterial infections and other problems have resulted in significant difference in effective coverage’’.

According to UNICEF statistics, over one-third of the world’s population that lives without access to sanitation lives in India. "The greatest problem for water quality in India is from human and animal faeces," said Burgess. "The world is looking at India to see what it does for the Millennium Development Goals (MDGs) in this sector", commented Burgess.

India is committed to the MDG in the water-sector to halve, by 2015, the numbers of its people without access to safe drinking water.

Depinder Kapur of WaterAid-India says the organisation got alerted to the issue of contaminated water-supply from their ‘extensive engagements’ with various communities across India.

Kapur said in Water Aid’s experience the main sources for India’s polluted water-supply remain open defecation, lack of sanitation, over-exploitation of groundwater resources and chemicals leaching into water sources.

The most serious victims of this pollution are India’s rural villages, constituting nearly 70 percent of the country’s population.

Arsenic and fluoride contamination from over-used groundwater, wherein the water drawn hits rock-bottom, is another serious health hazard facing rural communities. A newly-emerging cause of anaemia, especially in women and children in rural communities, is now thought to be related to fluoride contamination.

"One direct impact of this is affected women giving birth to low birth-weight babies, who in turn are impaired from this pollution with autism, impaired physical and mental growth and several other disorders,’’ says Dr. A.K. Susheela of the Delhi-based Fluorosis Research and Rural Development Foundation.

A 2008 UNICEF report says that 43 percent of the world’s low birth-weight infants are born in India.

In support of argument Susheela said that while government of India, in its bid to check anemic pregnancy has been providing folic acid to pregnant mothers since 1970, no positive benefit has been noticed so far. She believes the reason is due to fluoride-contamination damaging intestinal inner walls and making them incapable of absorbing nutrients.

"We are adding to the disabled-child population in India without realising the causative factor,’’ says Susheela.

Approximately 30,000 habitations in various parts of the country are affected by fluoride in their water systems and another 7,000 habitations are affected by arsenic. Both contaminants come from mineral rock sources, emerging due to over-exploitation of groundwater.

Human populations alongside the river Ganges, running through northern and eastern India, suffer from various levels of arsenic poisoning, according to well-established studies.

Dipankar Chakraborty of the School of Environmental Sciences at the Calcutta-based Jadavpur University, who first brought the issue to public attention about 20 years ago, blames the administration for not heeding to the serious public health-hazard in time.

"The crisis is in the administration’s poor management of water supply and can be solved by switching from groundwater sources to the rivers for water supply, Chakravarty said.

Bharat Lal, director of the government’s Rajiv Gandhi National Drinking Water Mission and the department of Drinking-Water Supply admits that the issue of water-quality has been secondary. "We are not monitoring the impact of the water, once access has been achieved.’’

Lal said there was a serious lack of trained staff for arsenic and fluoride-testing at the district-level and points to unutilised funds given by the central government to various state administrations for water-quality testing.

"The government, municipal and village bodies, responsible for water-supply also abdicate the responsibility of monitoring whilst they supply," said Lal.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on April 21, 2008, 07:35:47 PM
Hello Pastor Roger,

Brother, you're right - there are all kinds of worthy things that need to be addressed. However, it appears that the corrupt Al Gore's of this world are receiving the attention and soaking up available resources. It's very sad to know that the money being thrown at Al Gore and folks like him will accomplish ABSOLUTELY NOTHING except make the Al Gore's richer.

It's also sad to know that programs associated with folks like Al Gore will be mandatory. The money spent will also reduce the available money that could have been given in private and public aid for REAL HUMAN NEEDS. BUT, instead - Al and his friends need more private jets and mansions. They also want to experiment with PRIVATE DICTATORSHIP METHODS that appear will work quite well!


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on April 26, 2008, 12:27:19 PM
Al Gore's global warming debunked – by kids!
Winners announced in 'The Sky's Not Falling' video-essay contest

Al Gore's global warming philosophy has been debunked by many scientists and studies, and now it has met the same fact at the hands of children, in "The Sky's Not Falling" video/essay contest, sponsored by WND Books, formerly World Ahead Media.

The contest was launched early I 2008 and was designed to highlight the absurdities, untruths and downright lies that children are being taught daily about "climate change" in public school.

Russell Young, a Minnesota writer who captured first place in the essay competition, explained the importance of using celebrities such as Gore and the medium of movies to enhance the educational experience for students.

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"Here are just a few other films schools might use for their teaching curriculums. 'The Polar Express' could be used for instruction on transportation systems. 'Borat' is a perfect teaching tool for understanding how the Democratic Party uses focus groups. 'Alien,' could be used to teach students about anatomy and homeland security, all at the same time," he wrote.

"'Far fetched,' you say. Maybe, but 'Moby Dick' taught me all I ever needed to know about whales, and I'm a marine biologist," he said.

"Kids across America are being victimized by global warming hysteria," according to Holly Fretwell, author of The Sky’s Not Falling: Why It’s OK to Chill About Global Warming.

"I wanted to know what kids just like mine are hearing in their classrooms,” Fretwell said. “Running a contest was a fun way to go about it.”

"All of us, and our children in particular, are being confronted daily with half-truths and falsehoods about global warming,” noted Fretwell. “It’s just plain wrong.”

She said that was or inspiration for the book in the first place.

"I want kids to get excited about science and to understand that it’s human ingenuity and a can-do spirit, not government sanctions, that will lead us to a bright environmental future. I want kids to learn how to become critical thinkers," she said.”

Contest winners will receive a cash prize, a copy of “The Great Global Warming Swindle” DVD courtesy of junkscience.com, and copies of The Sky’s Not Falling for their local school library and their kids’ science classroom.

In second place in the video competition was Warren Meyer of Arizona.

The first-place essay is titled "Al Gore Causes Global Warming in School Aged Brains" and is by Russell Young, of Minnesota:

    If Al Gore’s film "An Inconvenient Truth," is suitable for teaching about climatology, then Alfred Hitchcock’s film the "The Birds," is a good candidate for teaching ornithology.

    "Wait a moment," you say. What does a horror film which has been characterized as "extremely disturbing," where hoards of normally skittish, but peaceable birds, inexplicably attack and terrorize humans, have to teach our children about science? The answer, of course is that it could be used to anesthetize them to the frightening scenarios presented in Gore's "An Inconvenient Truth."

    It's hard to decide which would be worse: frightening young students with scripted terror from a horror master, or frightening students with scripted propaganda from an environmental hypocrite. But think of the box office draw potential by making a double header out of these two movies. Plus, each film is steeped with enough gut wrenching scenes to keep even the most jaded students interested, making them a perfect antidote to typically boring science fare.

    In "The Birds," one scene shows children helplessly driven to terrified flight as birds relentlessly descend upon them. A particularly graphic moment depicts a bird tearing at the face of a screaming boy of about 8 or 9 years of age. Such viewing should make an indelible impression upon the minds of our youth as to the importance of not interfering with nature.

    In Gore's film we are treated to equally stomach turning cinematography as the director treats us to numerous close-ups of Gore, thus making it clear how serious minded he is about the environment. We know he is the man who can make a change because of the repeated shots showing adoring masses who seemingly follow him around the globe. Let's just hope they don’t all do it on their own personal jets.

    All of this, however, got me to thinking. Maybe schools could begin to utilize more Hollywood offerings. Think about it. For only the cost of a Blockbuster rental our students minds could be opened up to myriad realms.

    Here are just a few other films schools might use for their teaching curriculums. "The Polar Express" could be used for instruction on transportation systems. "Borat" is a perfect teaching tool for understanding how the Democratic Party uses focus groups. "Alien," could be used to teach students about anatomy and homeland security, all at the same time.

    "Far fetched," you say. Maybe, but "Moby Dick" taught me all I ever needed to know about whales, and I'm a marine biologist.

The second-place essay is titled "Global Warming Basics For Beginners," and is by Dan Nagasaki of California:

    The earth has had huge climate shifts with extreme warmth and extreme cold (remember reading about the ice age?) long before man could have possibly had any impact on the earth's climate. If man didn't exist on earth, these great climate shifts would still occur. There are two major questions regarding global warming. First, are we really in a long-term global warming trend and second, is man primarily responsible for this? The first may be true, but the second doesn't appear to be true.

cont'd



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on April 26, 2008, 12:27:45 PM
    If you ask an average person who is concerned about the environment to name the major factors affecting global warming, he'll probably fail to mention the two most important factors. First is the sun, which is actually quite volatile. Even small changes on the sun affect our climate. So, the most important factor affecting global warming, the sun, is not affected by anything mankind does.

    In fact, other planets in our solar system are also getting warmer. Second is water vapor, which forms the cloud cover.

    After the sun and water vapor come other, much less significant factors such as sulfur dioxide, methane, and carbon dioxide (CO2). To put this even further in perspective, more sulfur dioxide is spewed out through volcanoes and earth vents than by industrialization. Methane is produced by plant-eating animals, including man, so if you really want to make a serious dent in methane production, you need to resign yourself to the mass extinction of most plant-eating animals. As for CO2, which makes up less than 1/10th of 1 percent of the earth's atmosphere (Nitrogen and oxygen make up 99 percent of the earth's atmosphere), the average person, merely by existing, produces more CO2 than the average automobile. Even with the tremendous increase in CO2 in the atmosphere over the last 100 years, the average temperature of the earth has increased about 1 degree C, with most of that temperature increase occurring prior to the rapid increase in CO2 levels.

    Many environmentalists believe that protecting the environment means keeping certain environmental conditions exactly the same, but the earth and its ecosystem are constantly evolving. The earth naturally goes through periods of warming and cooling, and some species die out, while others are created. And again – to add some perspective – some changes, such as CO2 increases and global warming, have some beneficial effects, such as increased crop yields and vegetation.

The third-place essay is titled "A Christmas Dinner Conversation" and is by Jim Lion of California:

    At a recent Christmas dinner, I had a conversation with my niece, 16 and very smart, who just got into the University of Pennsylvania on early decision. When I showed her how rising global temperatures may have caused the increase in CO2 gases, rather than the opposite Algorism (i.e. that rising CO2 has caused Global Warming) she said, "But that doesn't make any sense."

    She's a smart girl. She can figure things out. The reason she thought my assertion made no sense is simple. It runs counter to the doctrine she has heard repeated over and over again ad nauseum, and perpetuated without question or remorse by the mainstream media.

    I'll tell you what I told her that night at dinner.

    If you look at the graph that Al Gore used in his Oscar-winning movie "An Inconvenient Truth," something emerges decidedly inconvenient to Al Gore's thesis of man-made global warming.

    At first, Al Gore appears to get it right. The graph shows a precise correlation between changes in global temperature and changes in atmospheric CO2 over thousands of years. This suggests that when carbon dioxide emissions increase, a rise in global temperatures will result. However, if you take a closer look, the data show an 800 year gap between the changes in global temperature and the changes in atmospheric CO2. 800 years! What's more, CO2 is a trailing indicator, which means, based on the Goracle's own data, that today's current rise in atmospheric CO2 was actually caused by the Medieval Warming Period that occurred 800 years ago!

    These facts have not been lost on many reputable scientists, who are busy looking for ways to prove how a rise in global temperature 800 years ago could have percolated down through the ocean, and then rose to the surface, causing the oceans to release vast quantities of CO2. If the process took 800 years in would explain the facts.

    Imagine that. An explanation that matches the facts.

    It seems to me Al Gore should get out of the pseudo-science business, and go back into theology, which he studied at Vanderbilt University, since it appears that he wants to alter the doctrine of Original Sin, making people feel guilty every time they exhale, spewing harmful CO2 into the atmosphere.

    Mr. Gore may change his mind when he learns about these important facts, but don't hold your breath.

"As a parent of two grade-schoolers and a natural resources policy expert, I've heard some whoppers about global warming," says author Holly Fretwell, whose book, "The Sky's Not Falling! Why It's OK to Chill about Global Warming," is specifically designed to set the record straight. "If you're as tired as I am of the environmental bill of goods our kids are being handed at school, now's your chance to tell the world!"

In her book, Prof. Fretwell shows kids 9-12 that it's human ingenuity and adaptability – not a mindless fear of change – that are most likely to guarantee the Earth a healthy future. Fretwell brings genuine educational credentials and practical experience to the environmental debate, giving kids the straight scoop about global warming – and the potentially devastating human and economic consequences of politically motivated responses to it.

Can it really be that human innovation and creativity, combined with individual choice, will yield better environmental outcomes than the draconian, self-congratulatory approaches advocated by Al Gore and his Hollywood friends? Yes!

Indeed, in her book, Fretwell gets kids excited about science and economics, and shows it's human ingenuity combined with an "enviropreneurial" spirit that will lead America to a bright environmental future, not government programs controlled by giant, growth-killing bureaucracies.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: HisDaughter on April 26, 2008, 03:59:05 PM
Excellent article PR!  Thanks! (http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x125/luvmarley_bucket/heart.gif)


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on April 26, 2008, 10:08:14 PM
Hello Pastor Roger,

I second the thanks for the excellent article. Does COMMON SENSE have a chance to prevail on this issue? Is it actually possible that we can prevent Al Gore and his friends from stealing all this money with their con game? I don't know yet.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on April 28, 2008, 09:41:41 AM
Ecochondria is not new

Check out these snippets from Life, Jan 30, 1970 (a copy of which was found in an antique store). At the time "solid experimental and theoretical evidence" supported the assertion increased atmospheric carbon dioxide would lead to "mass flooding or a new ice age" and air pollution would reduce the amount of sunlight reaching Earth’s surface by one-half. Not just that but by the ’80s urbanites would require gas masks to survive air pollution and sonic booms from SSTs would damage children in utero.


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Guess there really is nothing new under the sun. Funny how little the doom brigade have changed over the years, isn’t it? Even funnier how the media keep publishing their nonsense.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on April 28, 2008, 10:35:15 AM
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Pastor Roger Said:

Ecochondria is not new

Check out these snippets from Life, Jan 30, 1970 (a copy of which was found in an antique store). At the time "solid experimental and theoretical evidence" supported the assertion increased atmospheric carbon dioxide would lead to "mass flooding or a new ice age" and air pollution would reduce the amount of sunlight reaching Earth’s surface by one-half. Not just that but by the ’80s urbanites would require gas masks to survive air pollution and sonic booms from SSTs would damage children in utero.

YES - Brother Roger! Great hosts of us remember this story well - with or without the documentation. It was a topic that everyone was talking about at the time, and nobody was laughing because the GREAT SCIENTISTS of the world told us it was going to happen. In our part of the country, the biggest talk was about the coming ICE AGE. If it happened, it wasn't on this planet.    ;D   ;D


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on April 28, 2008, 01:06:23 PM
Unfortunately many people out of convenience don't have that kind of memory and the younger ones are never told about it, again for the sake of their own convenience in order to substantiate their agendas and now we have more scientists that again are claiming a coming ice age. Only this time it is caused by global warming.





Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on April 28, 2008, 01:22:15 PM
Unfortunately many people out of convenience don't have that kind of memory and the younger ones are never told about it, again for the sake of their own convenience in order to substantiate their agendas and now we have more scientists that again are claiming a coming ice age. Only this time it is caused by global warming.





 ;D   ;D   ROFL!

I think that I'll become a scientist. More heat causing ice makes sense to me.    ???


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: HisDaughter on April 28, 2008, 09:09:33 PM
;D   ;D   ROFL!

I think that I'll become a scientist. More heat causing ice makes sense to me.    ???

Me too!  From the looks of it, you don't have to have an education!  These guys obviously got theirs out of a Cracker Jack box!


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: HisDaughter on April 28, 2008, 09:35:32 PM
And I'll add further; if this is the education of our scientists, were they really smart enough to land us on the moon?  Um....makes me wonder.  Their 1 + 1 doesn't seem to add up.  Their "science" sounds more like "science fiction".


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on April 29, 2008, 06:46:28 AM
Their "science" sounds more like "science fiction".

Yep, that's because that is where the money is.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on April 30, 2008, 11:19:30 AM
Global Waming causes.. Acne?

I stumbled upon an interesting page which claims to be a complete list of all the things people claim are caused by global warming.

Each item on the list links back to an actual article or news story which makes the claim. Note how many opposites there are (Earth spins slower/faster, fish shrink/grow, expansion/shrinkage of rain forests).

http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/warmlist.htm


It is a pleasure to stand upon the shore, and to see ships tost upon the sea: a pleasure to stand in the window of the castle and to see the battle and the adventures thereof below: but no pleasure is comparable to the standing upon the vantage ground of truth ( a hill not to be commanded and where the air is always clear and serene), and to see the errors, and wanderings, and mists, and tempests, in the vale below.
From Of Truth, Francis Bacon




Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on April 30, 2008, 11:44:57 AM
Hello Pastor Roger,

Thanks Brother! - This was fascinating, and I think that Al Gore should be forced to study it until he understands and can explain it.   ;D


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on May 04, 2008, 09:50:10 AM
Does 'climate change' mean 'changing data'?
NASA temperature figures show agency reworking recent numbers upwards, older numbers downwards

Methodology used by NASA to estimate rates of climate change are resulting in dramatic shifts in previously published historical temperature data, causing figures for estimated global surface temperature prior to 1970 to now be lower and figures since 1970 to now be higher – and appearing to provide evidence for those who say the Earth is warming.

John Goetz, writing last month in the science blog Climate Audit, analyzed the way NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies calculates estimated global surface temperatures and showed that the addition of new, contemporary data could "have a ripple effect all the way back to the beginning of a [weather] station's history."

Goetz found 32 different versions of published global annual averages going back to Sept. 24, 2005, that showed the published figures – figures used as a baseline to demonstrate change through time – changing hundreds of times.

"On average 20% of the historical record was modified 16 times in the last 2 1/2 years," he wrote. "The largest single jump was 0.27 °C. This occurred between the Oct. 13, 2006 and Jan. 15, 2007 records when Aug 2006 changed from an anomoly of +0.43 °C to +0.70 °C, a change of nearly 68 percent."

Temperature anomalies – differences between the average measured global air temperature and some long-term mean – are primary data for studies of climate change.

The magnitude of the changes in the reworked historical data observed by Goetz – 0.27 °C – is more that a third of the total average increase in global air temperature near the Earth's surface – 0.74 ± 0.18 °C – that has occurred over the last century, according to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

A comparison of annual temperature anomalies for the United States from 1880 to 1999 further revealed that shifts in historical estimates of temperature, since NASA refined its data for the period 1930 to 1999, are biased toward global warming.

Steven Goddard, writing in The Register, analyzed two different NASA reports of historic temperature anomalies – published in 1999 and 2007 – and showed estimates for years in the 1930s through 1970 were lowered while estimates for years from 1970 to 1999 were increased between the two reporting periods. The results, when graphed, described a temperature regime that was cooler than previously thought prior to 1970 and warmer than thought since – precisely what advocates of global warming argue but what earlier renditions of the data did not say so clearly.

That, said Goddard, defied statistical odds.

"So what is the probability of this effort consistently increasing recent temperatures and decreasing older temperatures? From a statistical viewpoint, data recalculation should cause each year to have a 50/50 probability of going either up or down – thus the odds of all 70 adjusted years working in concert to increase the slope of the graph are an astronomical 2 raised to the power of 70. That is one-thousand-billion-billion to one. This isn't an exact representation of the odds because for some of the years (less than 15) the revisions went against the trend – but even a 55/15 split is about as likely as a room full of chimpanzees eventually typing Hamlet. That would be equivalent to flipping a penny 70 times and having it come up heads 55 times. It will never happen – one trillion to one odds (2 raised to the power 40).

"Particularly troubling are the years from 1986-1998. In the 2007 version of the graph, the 1986 data was adjusted upwards by 0.4 degrees relative to the 1999 graph. In fact, every year except one from 1986-1998 was adjusted upwards, by an average of 0.2 degrees. If someone wanted to present a case for a lot of recent warming, adjusting data upwards would be an excellent way to do it.

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NASA is not the only source of long-term temperature data used to evaluate climate change. Like NASA, the UK Meteorological Office's Hadley Center for Climate Studies depends on a network of ground-based weather stations using thermometers. Both are limited by their number of stations, the heat-island effects on many of the sites located in urban areas, changes in thermometer types over time and the loss of station sites over the historical periods being measured. Data gathered from these systems often has to be adjusted to remove "noise" caused by the local environment so it can be standardized for analysis.

The University of Alabama at Huntsville and Remote Sensing Systems provide data gathered by Earth-observation satellites. Satellite temperature data has the advantage of being gathered across the entire surface of the Earth, except for regions near the two poles, but it is unavailable for the period prior to 1978.

How do these other data sources compare to NASA?

According to Hadley's data, worldwide temperatures have declined since 1998 and the Earth is not much warmer now than it was than it was in 1878 or 1941.

Both the UAH and RSS satellite data agree with Hadley and show temperatures declining over the past decade with only a slight increase above the 30-year average between 1978 and 2008.

More recently, NASA temperatures indicated March 2008 was the third-warmest March in history. RSS and UAH showed the same month as only slightly above average globally and the second-coldest ever in the southern hemisphere.

As WND has previously reported James Hansen, head of NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies, warned in 2006 "we have a very brief window of opportunity to deal with climate change ... no longer than a decade, at the most" – the same week the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration issued a report saying the U.S.'s hottest year was in the past, 1936.

For amplifying charts see source:

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE...mp;pageId=63360


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on May 04, 2008, 02:46:04 PM
UM?  -  It sure does sound like a massive con game is going to be tried UNLESS the real scientists are able to debunk the lies that are being told. YES - the real scientists can do this, but I doubt they have the money necessary to play the news media blitz game with the rich and powerful people who are determined to go forward with the most massive and costly con game in history.

If I remember correctly, the con men are spending 300 million dollars to sell their lies. Their prize will be over 35 BILLION DOLLARS, and we should all be able to easily figure out where this money will come from.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: HisDaughter on May 04, 2008, 09:17:07 PM
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Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: HisDaughter on May 04, 2008, 09:36:09 PM
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Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on May 05, 2008, 11:55:53 AM
Media frauds trip themselves up

North Pole fables: “On the NBC nightly news there was a heart-throb report of an attractive British teen-ager who had skied across the North Pole with her father to demonstrate how the Arctic ice pack is receding in the face of global warming. Oh, horror. Oh, how terrible. The pictures were beautiful: Her pretty face, her gentle smile, her soft voice, her snow-crusted parka, the blue skies, the brilliant white ice, the cascading chunks of ice calving from glaciers, the two penguins standing on an ice floe…. Wait a minute. Penguins? At the North Pole? Not that we ever heard of. So much for science, as reported by NBC News.

For any products of a modern education reading here, the South Pole has penguins but no bears and the North pole has bears but no penguins.

The young girl was also complaining about 40 below F in the middle of the day in summer with wind chills far below that.

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Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: HisDaughter on May 05, 2008, 11:52:05 PM
Media frauds trip themselves up

North Pole fables: “On the NBC nightly news there was a heart-throb report of an attractive British teen-ager who had skied across the North Pole with her father to demonstrate how the Arctic ice pack is receding in the face of global warming. Oh, horror. Oh, how terrible. The pictures were beautiful: Her pretty face, her gentle smile, her soft voice, her snow-crusted parka, the blue skies, the brilliant white ice, the cascading chunks of ice calving from glaciers, the two penguins standing on an ice floe…. Wait a minute. Penguins? At the North Pole? Not that we ever heard of. So much for science, as reported by NBC News.

For any products of a modern education reading here, the South Pole has penguins but no bears and the North pole has bears but no penguins.

The young girl was also complaining about 40 below F in the middle of the day in summer with wind chills far below that.

 ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

That's a classic PR!


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Shammu on May 08, 2008, 12:15:20 AM
You know, I was thinking............... again.............. ;D ;D

There will be a global warming, later on. In Revelation 16:8-9 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.  9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: HisDaughter on May 08, 2008, 12:55:22 AM
You know, I was thinking............... again.............. ;D ;D


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Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on May 08, 2008, 02:01:10 PM
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Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Shammu on May 08, 2008, 03:29:22 PM
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Title: Re: Global Warming
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Wow DW!  That's pretty impressive!  How long did it take ya?  I guess these no end to what you can do if you really put your mind to it!


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Shammu on May 09, 2008, 01:20:53 AM
Wow DW!  That's pretty impressive!  How long did it take ya?  I guess these no end to what you can do if you really put your mind to it!

About a minute, and a minute to post. :P :P :P


Title: Propaganda-driven kids attack think tank
Post by: Pizza_Mahal on May 09, 2008, 10:14:32 AM
'We are going to tell you about global warming … you horrible people'
Posted: May 09, 2008
12:00 am Eastern

By Bob Unruh
© 2008 WorldNetDaily


Students at a California public school have written a series of letters to Chicago's Heartland Institute, which works to discover and develop free-market solutions to society's problems, attacking its members for "destroying our planet" by refusing to endorse the politics of Al Gore's "An Inconvenient Truth" film.

According to students in the sixth-grade class of teacher Michael Steria at David A. Brown Middle School, the institute consists of "fools" and "horrible people."

"I think your (sic) fools for denying G.W. you know it could kill us all & you're just adding to it. I want you to help stop G.W. not increase it," said one letter.

"We are going to tell you about global warming. I don't care if you don't want to read, but I'm making you read it you horrible people," said another.

Officials at the school, a part of the Lake Elsinore School District, declined to respond to WND requests for a comment. Officials at the district office also declined to respond.


But Maureen Martin, a senior fellow for legal affairs for the institute, told WND that it was heart-breaking to see the results of such indoctrination of students.

"It's tragic," she said. "The kids were terrified."

She said some of the students expressed their belief they would be dead in 10 years.

The district's allowance of such teachings is "shameful, especially when there's a divide in the scientific opinion," she said.

She said the lessons reflected probably don't even meet the requirements of the state's educational guidelines, which for sixth graders demand lessons in earth sciences and the scientific methods of examining data.

Among the students' other comments:

    * "We feel that it is wrong what you are doing. We know that you know that global warming is NOT we repeat NOT a myth, And we think it is selfish that you would take money over yours and your peers lives."

    * "We feel upset because you are making Global Warming worse instead of helping it. We know that almost half of the country knows that G.W. is a crisis. We know that you could help the environment with the $800,000 you have."

    * "We feel that they are destroying our planet by saying G.W. is not a crisis. You think GW is not a crisis but it is; you know deep down that it's a real thing that's happening. Everyone has a part in helping GW, and you're making worse."

    * "I do not think that what you are doing is right because you are telling people that global warming is not a crisis. If this is not a crisis, how come floods have occurred in asia, Mexico, and India. Plus, how can you explain why the glacier glaciers are melting. they can't melt themselves, because they are in the coldest region in the world."


Martin told WND that by searching the Internet for key phrases used by the students, she was able to read seven of the 10 articles the students reported reading.

"Three of the articles have nothing to do with global warming or greenhouse gases. Two are dire predictions from non-scientists at the United Nations disaster relief agency, the U.N. Development Programme, and nongovernmental organizations engaged in disaster aid. One article relates state efforts at monitoring greenhouse gases," she said.

One other was an attack on Heartland for its funding procedures, accusing the organization of selling out to energy corporations.

But Institute chief Joseph Bast said such donations never have amounted to more than 5 percent of the organization's budget and more money comes in from individuals than from companies.

The facts, however, mattered little to the students doing the assignment.

"I am very unhappy with your disgracing actions to the world, because you guys and woman are trying to hide the facts about Global warming so you can make more money. Well you guys aren’t going to fool anybody except yourself. The reason is because if you were to look at a picture of Glacier National Park 50 years ago, you would see that there is less ice now then there was fifty years ago," said one letter.

Martin told WND one of the articles apparently came from a blog and condemned the organization's March conference in New York, which assembled hundreds of scientists and others who are skeptical of Al Gore's belief in the earth-threatening capabilities of temperature change, and his affirmation that man is at fault for whatever changes there are.

One phrase that appeared was "global warming denier group," which also had been used earlier on a critical blog article headlined, "Global Warming Denier Group Funded By Big Oil Hosting Climate Change Denial Conference."

"No. 1, no matter what people think, those who disagree ought not to be vilified," Martin said. "More than that, schools are supposed to be teaching kids about evaluating information. It's a life skill. We deal with it as citizens every day of our lives."

In this case, however, the students reflect teaching that tells them anyone who disagrees is "wrong and evil."

Martin said she currently is working on a project for Heartland to address what the United Kingdom determined was propaganda in the Gore film, and present balancing information to public school classrooms whose students now often are shown the Gore production.

"We're looking for parents, taxpayers, in the right situations. We're prepared to go to the schools and make a demand for equal time. We're not trying to stifle anything," she said.

What about the California school?

"I wrote to the superintendent. I said I'd be willing to provide information, DVDs, printed material, a book, we can send speakers… I haven't heard back yet," she said.

Such teaching, however, raises huge concerns.

"Global warming 'means that if we don't fix the climate, everything will be destroyed and we won't be able to survive,' two students wrote. Others found their global warming lessons similarly frightening," Martin wrote.

The students also left no room for discussion of the scientific issue.

"We've read article about global warming. And we know all the facts," said one, while another added, "Natural disasters have quadrupled in 20 years, 53 bird species face extinction, World must fix climate in 10 years, Air pollution shrinks fetus size. THIS IS CAUSED BY GLOBAL WARMING!!!" said another.

When the Heartland Institute held its conference in New York in March, WND reported more than 100 internationally prominent environmental scientists argued that global warming is, instead, a natural process and not the result of human activity.

"The purpose of the conference is to provide a platform for the hundreds of scientists, economists, and policy experts who dissent from the so-called 'consensus' on global warming," said Bast.

"Is global warming 'An Inconvenient Truth,' as Vice President Al Gore charges, or a 'Global Warming Swindle?' Harriet Johnson, spokeswoman for the Heartland Institute asked in a statement distributed at the conference.

"The alarmists in the global warming debate have had their say – over and over again, in every newspaper in the country practically every day and in countless news reports and documentary films," a notice on the Heartland Institute website said. "But they have lost the debate."

In one of the papers released, environmental scientist S. Fred Singer's "Nature, Not Human Activity Rules the Climate" summarized a three-year international scientific research project conducted by the Nongovernmental Panel on Climate Change, or NIPCC.

He said the climate is affected by many factors, but what can be ruled out by scientific evidence is that greenhouse gases are an important factor in causing global warming.



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Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on May 09, 2008, 10:26:37 AM
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Yup, that our kids of today.

It is not the fault of the kids of today but rather it is because of the teachers insisting on indoctrinating children instead of teaching them.




But Maureen Martin, a senior fellow for legal affairs for the institute, told WND that it was heart-breaking to see the results of such indoctrination of students.

"It's tragic," she said. "The kids were terrified."

She said some of the students expressed their belief they would be dead in 10 years.

The district's allowance of such teachings is "shameful, especially when there's a divide in the scientific opinion," she said.


Yes, it is tragic that political indoctrination does this to kids.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on May 09, 2008, 10:41:21 AM
BLUNTLY - Al Gore's Global Warming con game is nothing but a HUGE HOAX - one where quite a few rich people will steal 36 Billion Plus from average working people. It won't accomplish a single thing or address a single problem. In fact, their con game will cause all kinds of new problems OVER AND ABOVE THE HUGE SWINDLE! The con game will remove money that would have been used for necessities by many families.

NEWS FLASH! - GOD is in charge of the climates. GOD will change them according to HIS time and purpose. Man has no control over the sun or GOD. A time of GOD'S Wrath may be nearing called the Tribulation Period, and no power in the Universe will be able to slow, hasten, or stop it. It will happen precisely at GOD'S Appointed Time that was set before the foundation of the world.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Pizza_Mahal on May 09, 2008, 06:51:21 PM
It is not the fault of the kids of today but rather it is because of the teachers insisting on indoctrinating children instead of teaching them.

That's not want I met, but I'm was wrong about all kids, thus. It's very tragic like you said.



BLUNTLY - Al Gore's Global Warming con game is nothing but a HUGE HOAX - one where quite a few rich people will steal 36 Billion Plus from average working people. It won't accomplish a single thing or address a single problem. In fact, their con game will cause all kinds of new problems OVER AND ABOVE THE HUGE SWINDLE! The con game will remove money that would have been used for necessities by many families.

NEWS FLASH! - GOD is in charge of the climates. GOD will change them according to HIS time and purpose. Man has no control over the sun or GOD. A time of GOD'S Wrath may be nearing called the Tribulation Period, and no power in the Universe will be able to slow, hasten, or stop it. It will happen precisely at GOD'S Appointed Time that was set before the foundation of the world.

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Sadly, most of these people are not thinking "what to think".


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on May 10, 2008, 01:18:39 AM
An excellent article that gives one real confidence in our scientists and environmentalists. The article gives information provided to various media by some well known geologists of their times as well as the claim to an ice age given by environmentalist at the first Earth Day, April 22, 1970.

Fire and Ice  By R. Warren Anderson,  Research Analyst and Dan Gainor, The Boone Pickens Free Market Fellow

Following is a time line of articles posted in two well-known news papers that is excerpted from this article.

A New York Times-line

Sept. 18, 1924    “MacMillan Reports Signs of New Ice Age”

March 27, 1933  “America in Longest Warm Spell Since 1776;
                           Temperature Line Records a 25-Year Rise”

May 21, 1975       “Scientists Ponder Why World’s Climate is
                            Changing; A Major Cooling Widely
                            Considered to Be Inevitable”

Dec. 27, 2005       “Past Hot Times Hold Few Reasons to Relax
                            About New Warming”



A Time Magazine Time-line

Sept. 10, 1923     “The discoveries of changes in the sun’s heat
                            and the southward advance of glaciers in
                            recent years have given rise to conjectures of the
                            possible advent of a new ice age.”

Jan. 2, 1939         “Gaffers who claim that winters were harder when
                             they were boys are quite right... weather men have
                             no doubt that the world at least for the time being is
                             growing warmer.”

June 24, 1974       “Climatological Cassandras are becoming
                             increasingly apprehensive, for the weather
                             aberrations they are studying may be the
                             harbinger of another ice age.”

The entire article is a blast. It shows the fallacies of climate change enthusiasts. I can't link to the article because of advertising and donations requests but I'm sure you can find numerous copies of it by doing a web search on the title.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: HisDaughter on May 10, 2008, 01:36:45 AM
The district's allowance of such teachings is "shameful, especially when there's a divide in the scientific opinion," she said.


This is a big statement and could apply to more than just what is taught about global warming in our schools.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on May 10, 2008, 03:24:34 PM
Revelation 8:1

And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.

For further study - Revelation 8:1-13

As we come to another chapter in the book of Revelation, we move into the second set of seven judgments, the seven "trumpet judgments". Actually the last of the seven "seal judgments" is found also in chapter 8, verse 1.

The seven "trumpet judgments" come out of the last "seal judgment" as is the case with the seven "vial judgments" coming out of the last, seventh, "trumpet judgment".

Notice that the seventh "seal judgment" is "silence in heaven about the space of half an hour", verse 1. The reason for the "silence", I believe, is because the "great cloud of witnesses", Hebrews 12:1, is "awestruck" by the six previous "seal judgments" and the seven "trumpet judgments" to follow.

I would like for you to notice what has been termed "ecological judgment" will be released on the earth in these first four "trumpet judgments". The fact is, we hear alot about "global warming" and "climate change" in the media these days.

I believe "global warming" is impossible because Jesus Christ created the heavens, the earth and all that is in them, Colossians 1:16, and He holds it all together, Colossians 1:17.

God is in charge and nothing can happen to this "earth" unless He allows it to. No act of man can overrule God's plan. However, as our text tells us, there will be "ecological judgments" upon the earth during the time of the seven year Tribulation Period in the future.

The first "trumpet judgment" is a third part of the trees and all the grass on earth burning up. "Trumpet" number two is a third of the sea turning to blood, one-third of the fish in the sea dying and one-third of the ships upon the seas being destroyed.

Next, the third "trumpet" judgment, is one-third of the rivers, ponds, lakes and fountains of water becoming bitter, so much so that many on the earth will die from drinking this water. The judgments now shift to the heavens, the sun, moon and stars lose one-third of their light and their is more darkness than usual upon the earth, which is the fourth "trumpet" judgment.

Verse 13 reveals that from here, continuing into the Tribulation Period, it gets worse. The three "woes" are to follow. which are the last three "trumpet judgments". We'll look at the "woes" in another devotional reading.

We all must make it a point to give out the gospel to lost people every day. The Rapture could happen, today.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on May 10, 2008, 03:51:31 PM
The Bible and 'global warming'

I can certainly understand why neo-pagans like Al Gore believe, despite overwhelming scientific evidence to the contrary, man-made, catastrophic global warming is the gravest threat to the planet.

What I can't understand is why people who claim to believe in the Bible as the inerrant, inspired Word of God do so.

Even more difficult to comprehend is why some evangelical Christians are caught up in the notion that government and international action are the proper methods to fight this phantom threat.

First of all, in Genesis 8:22, we're told of a promise by God never to use global floodwaters again as a means of destroying life on Earth. In that promise, the Bible explicitly states: "While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease."

In other words, no more cataclysmic floods – the result Al Gore promises in the near future as a consequence of global warming. Just as importantly, there is another promise there that cold and heat shall not cease.

What does that mean?

It means God controls the world's temperature, not man. God controls the climate, not man. God controls the earth's "eco-system," not man. God controls our environment, not man.

It is so presumptuous and haughty of believers and non-believers alike to think man is in control of the destiny of the planet God created for us.

If it were so, would he not have warned us? With all of the prophecies in the Bible, should we not expect to be told that such matters are actually in our hands? Why would we be told exactly the opposite throughout scripture?

It's not that the Bible tells us there are no consequences for our actions on the planet. In fact, it quite explicitly does. But it is not the production of carbon dioxide that God finds offensive. It is the commission of sin. Nowhere in the Bible does God ever suggest that producing CO2 is sinful.

Keep in mind, it is not a pollutant. It is a naturally occurring gas – just like oxygen. God created CO2, not man. And nature's God still produces a lot more of it than does man.

In Isaiah 49, in a passage evangelicals believe represent the words of Jesus Himself, there is another promise – that those who follow Him would never perish from the heat of the sun.

"They shall not hunger nor thirst; neither shall the heat nor the sun smite them: for he that hath mercy on them shall lead them, even by the springs of water shall he guide them," it says in Isaiah 49:10.

If cataclysmic global warming represented a real threat to believers, would God have made such a promise through Isaiah?

That is not to say heat will never be used as a means of judgment. In fact, it will be according to the Bible.

We are told in:

Rev 16:8  And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
Rev 16:9  And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.


What this means is that scorching heat will be used as a judgment against non-believers, and, most importantly, that God and God alone has the power over such calamities.

Yes, there will come a time when the Earth is destroyed – and intense heat will be the mechanism God employs. But we are not talking about a rise of a few degrees over centuries. We're talking about heat so severe it melts the very elements that comprise the Earth.

That comes in a day that sounds very much like the time in which we live. It is described in 2 Peter 3:

      3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

      4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

      5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

      6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

      7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

      8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

      9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

      10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

      11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

      12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

      13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

      14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

Are today's evangelicals who agree with the worldly that the greatest threat to mankind is represented in catastrophic, man-made global warming without spot and blameless?

It is sheer folly and ego for man to believe he controls the destiny of God's creation. But it is even more disgraceful when those who claim to believe His Word preach a false gospel of global warming that directly contradicts the entire body of scripture.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: HisDaughter on May 10, 2008, 04:00:29 PM
Revelation 8:1

And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.

For further study - Revelation 8:1-13

As we come to another chapter in the book of Revelation, we move into the second set of seven judgments, the seven "trumpet judgments". Actually the last of the seven "seal judgments" is found also in chapter 8, verse 1.

The seven "trumpet judgments" come out of the last "seal judgment" as is the case with the seven "vial judgments" coming out of the last, seventh, "trumpet judgment".

Notice that the seventh "seal judgment" is "silence in heaven about the space of half an hour", verse 1. The reason for the "silence", I believe, is because the "great cloud of witnesses", Hebrews 12:1, is "awestruck" by the six previous "seal judgments" and the seven "trumpet judgments" to follow.

I would like for you to notice what has been termed "ecological judgment" will be released on the earth in these first four "trumpet judgments". The fact is, we hear alot about "global warming" and "climate change" in the media these days.

I believe "global warming" is impossible because Jesus Christ created the heavens, the earth and all that is in them, Colossians 1:16, and He holds it all together, Colossians 1:17.

God is in charge and nothing can happen to this "earth" unless He allows it to. No act of man can overrule God's plan. However, as our text tells us, there will be "ecological judgments" upon the earth during the time of the seven year Tribulation Period in the future.

The first "trumpet judgment" is a third part of the trees and all the grass on earth burning up. "Trumpet" number two is a third of the sea turning to blood, one-third of the fish in the sea dying and one-third of the ships upon the seas being destroyed.

Next, the third "trumpet" judgment, is one-third of the rivers, ponds, lakes and fountains of water becoming bitter, so much so that many on the earth will die from drinking this water. The judgments now shift to the heavens, the sun, moon and stars lose one-third of their light and their is more darkness than usual upon the earth, which is the fourth "trumpet" judgment.

Verse 13 reveals that from here, continuing into the Tribulation Period, it gets worse. The three "woes" are to follow. which are the last three "trumpet judgments". We'll look at the "woes" in another devotional reading.

We all must make it a point to give out the gospel to lost people every day. The Rapture could happen, today.



Good stuff!  Thanks PR!


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: HisDaughter on May 10, 2008, 04:38:08 PM
The Bible and 'global warming'

I can certainly understand why neo-pagans like Al Gore believe, despite overwhelming scientific evidence to the contrary, man-made, catastrophic global warming is the gravest threat to the planet.

What I can't understand is why people who claim to believe in the Bible as the inerrant, inspired Word of God do so.

Even more difficult to comprehend is why some evangelical Christians are caught up in the notion that government and international action are the proper methods to fight this phantom threat.

First of all, in Genesis 8:22, we're told of a promise by God never to use global floodwaters again as a means of destroying life on Earth. In that promise, the Bible explicitly states: "While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease."

In other words, no more cataclysmic floods – the result Al Gore promises in the near future as a consequence of global warming. Just as importantly, there is another promise there that cold and heat shall not cease.

What does that mean?

It means God controls the world's temperature, not man. God controls the climate, not man. God controls the earth's "eco-system," not man. God controls our environment, not man.

It is so presumptuous and haughty of believers and non-believers alike to think man is in control of the destiny of the planet God created for us.

If it were so, would he not have warned us? With all of the prophecies in the Bible, should we not expect to be told that such matters are actually in our hands? Why would we be told exactly the opposite throughout scripture?

It's not that the Bible tells us there are no consequences for our actions on the planet. In fact, it quite explicitly does. But it is not the production of carbon dioxide that God finds offensive. It is the commission of sin. Nowhere in the Bible does God ever suggest that producing CO2 is sinful.

Keep in mind, it is not a pollutant. It is a naturally occurring gas – just like oxygen. God created CO2, not man. And nature's God still produces a lot more of it than does man.

In Isaiah 49, in a passage evangelicals believe represent the words of Jesus Himself, there is another promise – that those who follow Him would never perish from the heat of the sun.

"They shall not hunger nor thirst; neither shall the heat nor the sun smite them: for he that hath mercy on them shall lead them, even by the springs of water shall he guide them," it says in Isaiah 49:10.

If cataclysmic global warming represented a real threat to believers, would God have made such a promise through Isaiah?

That is not to say heat will never be used as a means of judgment. In fact, it will be according to the Bible.

We are told in:

Rev 16:8  And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
Rev 16:9  And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.


What this means is that scorching heat will be used as a judgment against non-believers, and, most importantly, that God and God alone has the power over such calamities.

Yes, there will come a time when the Earth is destroyed – and intense heat will be the mechanism God employs. But we are not talking about a rise of a few degrees over centuries. We're talking about heat so severe it melts the very elements that comprise the Earth.

That comes in a day that sounds very much like the time in which we live. It is described in 2 Peter 3:

      3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

      4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

      5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

      6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

      7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

      8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

      9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

      10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

      11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

      12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

      13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

      14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

Are today's evangelicals who agree with the worldly that the greatest threat to mankind is represented in catastrophic, man-made global warming without spot and blameless?

It is sheer folly and ego for man to believe he controls the destiny of God's creation. But it is even more disgraceful when those who claim to believe His Word preach a false gospel of global warming that directly contradicts the entire body of scripture.



Amen and  Hurray!  You go Pastor Roger!   


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on May 18, 2008, 12:17:26 PM
Obesity contributes to global warming: study

Obesity contributes to global warming, too.

Obese and overweight people require more fuel to transport them and the food they eat, and the problem will worsen as the population literally swells in size, a team at the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine says.

This adds to food shortages and higher energy prices, the school's researchers Phil Edwards and Ian Roberts wrote in the journal Lancet on Friday.

"We are all becoming heavier and it is a global responsibility," Edwards said in a telephone interview. "Obesity is a key part of the big picture."

Here we go again. I can see another tax being implemented based on BMI or possibly legal prosecution.   ::)

At least 400 million adults worldwide are obese. The World Health Organization (WHO) projects by 2015, 2.3 billion adults will be overweight and more than 700 million will be obese.

In their model, the researchers pegged 40 percent of the global population as obese with a body mass index of near 30. Many nations are fast approaching or have surpassed this level, Edwards said.

BMI is a calculation of height to weight, and the normal range is usually considered to be 18 to 25, with more than 25 considered overweight and above 30 obese.

The researchers found that obese people require 1,680 daily calories to sustain normal energy and another 1,280 calories to maintain daily activities, 18 percent more than someone with a stable BMI.

Because thinner people eat less and are more likely to walk than rely on cars, a slimmer population would lower demand for fuel for transportation and for agriculture, Edwards said.

This is also important because 20 percent of greenhouse gas emissions stem from agriculture, he added.

Maybe we better put an end to agriculture then.  ::)

The next step is quantifying how much a heavier population is contributing to climate change, higher fuel prices and food shortages, he added.

"Promotion of a normal distribution of BMI would reduce the global demand for, and thus the price of, food," Edwards and Roberts wrote.

NOTE: Body Mass Indices are not accurate to begin with. They do not take into account lean muscle mass or varied body shapes. If a person has a larger amount of lean muscle, such as some athletes or heavy work laborers, it throws the BMI way off. Certain populations have different height to weight variances that are not taken into consideration for BMI's. This is seen in populations where they are short but their body build is very stocky yet lean in fat compared to those that are tall and yet of thin body build.

This global warming garbage to promote different agendas is getting less intellectual by the day.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: HisDaughter on May 18, 2008, 07:27:24 PM
Just when I think that I've heard everything, I find out that I'm wrong.  Pretty soon they will find that turning the pages of our Bibles causes Global Warming and we will be asked to quit it. 
I think that those that are trying to use their dead brain cells to come up with this junk, are wasting too much valuable energy and maybe we should harness some that and put it use elsewhere.  Maybe light our homes or something?  I don't know.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on May 18, 2008, 07:44:38 PM
I'm wondering how much energy they used at the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine and how much they got paid to do this research.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on May 20, 2008, 11:33:42 AM
31,000 scientists reject
'global warming' agenda
'Mr. Gore's movie has claims
no informed expert endorses'

More than 31,000 scientists across the U.S. – including more than 9,000 Ph.D.s in fields such as atmospheric science, climatology, Earth science, environment and dozens of other specialties – have signed a petition rejecting "global warming," the assumption that the human production of greenhouse gases is damaging Earth's climate.

"There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate," the petition states. "Moreover, there is substantial scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the Earth."

The Petition Project actually was launched nearly 10 years ago, when the first few thousand signatures were assembled. Then, between 1999 and 2007, the list of signatures grew gradually without any special effort or campaign.

But now, a new effort has been conducted because of an "escalation of the claims of 'consensus,' release of the movie 'An Inconvenient Truth' by Mr. Al Gore, and related events," according to officials with the project.

"Mr. Gore's movie, asserting a 'consensus' and 'settled science' in agreement about human-caused global warming, conveyed the claims about human-caused global warming to ordinary movie goers and to public school children, to whom the film was widely distributed. Unfortunately, Mr. Gore's movie contains many very serious incorrect claims which no informed, honest scientist could endorse," said project spokesman and founder Art Robinson.

WND submitted a request to Gore's office for comment but did not get a response.

Robinson said the dire warnings about "global warming" have gone far beyond semantics or scientific discussion now to the point they are actually endangering people.

"The campaign to severely ration hydrocarbon energy technology has now been markedly expanded," he said. "In the course of this campaign, many scientifically invalid claims about impending climate emergencies are being made. Simultaneously, proposed political actions to severely reduce hydrocarbon use now threaten the prosperity of Americans and the very existence of hundreds of millions of people in poorer countries," he said.

In just the past few weeks, there have been various allegations that both shark attacks and typhoons have been sparked by "global warming."

The late Professor Frederick Seitz, the past president of the U.S. National Academy of Sciences and winner of the National Medal of Science, wrote in a letter promoting the petition, "The United States is very close to adopting an international agreement that would ration the use of energy and of technologies that depend upon coal, oil, and natural gas and some other organic compounds."

"This treaty is, in our opinion, based upon flawed ideas. Research data on climate change do not show that human use of hydrocarbons is harmful. To the contrary, there is good evidence that increased atmospheric carbon dioxide is environmentally helpful," he wrote.

Accompanying the letter sent to scientists was a 12-page summary and review of research on "global warming," officials said.

"The proposed agreement would have very negative effects upon the technology of nations throughout the world, especially those that are currently attempting to lift from poverty and provide opportunities to the over 4 billion people in technologically underdeveloped countries," Seitz wrote.

Robinson said the project targets scientists because, "It is especially important for America to hear from its citizens who have the training necessary to evaluate the relevant data and offer sound advice."

He said the "global warming agreement," written in Kyoto, Japan, in 1997, and other plans "would harm the environment, hinder the advance of science and technology, and damage the health and welfare of mankind."

"Yet," he said, "the United Nations and other vocal political interests say the U.S. must enact new laws that will sharply reduce domestic energy production and raise energy prices even higher.

"The inalienable rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness include the right of access to life-giving and life-enhancing technology. This is especially true of access to the most basic of all technologies: energy. These human rights have been extensively and wrongly abridged," he continued. "During the past two generations in the U.S., a system of high taxation, extensive regulation, and ubiquitous litigation has arisen that prevents the accumulation of sufficient capital and the exercise of sufficient freedom to build and preserve needed modern technology.

"These unfavorable political trends have severely damaged our energy production, where lack of industrial progress has left our country dependent upon foreign sources for 30 percent of the energy required to maintain our current level of prosperity," he said. "Moreover, the transfer of other U.S. industries abroad as a result of these same trends has left U.S. citizens with too few goods and services to trade for the energy that they do not produce. A huge and unsustainable trade deficit and rapidly rising energy prices have been the result.

"The necessary hydrocarbon and nuclear energy production technologies have been available to U.S. engineers for many decades. We can develop these resources without harm to people or the environment. There is absolutely no technical, resource, or environmental reason for the U.S. to be a net importer of energy. The U.S. should, in fact, be a net exporter of energy," he said.

He told WND he believes the issue has nothing to do with energy itself, but everything to do with power, control and money, which the United Nations is seeking. He accused the U.N. of violating human rights in its campaign to ban much energy research, exploration and development.

"In order to alleviate the current energy emergency and prevent future emergencies, we need to remove the governmental restrictions that have caused this problem. Fundamental human rights require that U.S. citizens and their industries be free to produce and use the low cost, abundant energy that they need. As the 31,000 signatories of this petition emphasize, environmental science supports this freedom," he said.

The Petition Project website today said there are 31,072 scientists who have signed up, and Robinson said more names continue to come in.

In terms of Ph.D. scientists alone, it already has 15 times more scientists than are seriously involved in the U.N.'s campaign to "vilify hydrocarbons," officials told WND.

"The very large number of petition signers demonstrates that, if there is a consensus among American scientists, it is in opposition to the human-caused global warming hypothesis rather than in favor of it," the organization noted.

The project was set up by a team of physicists and physical chemists who do research at several American institutions and collects signatures when donations provide the resources to mail out more letters.

"In a group of more than 30,000 people, there are many individuals with names similar or identical to other signatories, or to non-signatories – real or fictional. Opponents of the petition project sometimes use this statistical fact in efforts to discredit the project. For examples, Perry Mason and Michael Fox are scientists who have signed the petition – who happen also to have names identical to fictional or real non-scientists," the website said.

The petition is needed, supporters said, simply because Gore and others "have claimed that the 'science is settled' – that an overwhelming 'consensus' of scientists agrees with the hypothesis of human-caused global warming, with only a handful of skeptical scientists in disagreement."

The list of scientists includes 9,021 Ph.D.s, 6,961 at the master's level, 2,240 medical doctors and 12,850 carrying a bachelor of science or equivalent academic degree.

The Petition Project's website includes both a list of scientists by name as well as a list of scientists by state.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on May 20, 2008, 02:07:21 PM
It will be interesting to see if WISDOM wins over GREED! I'm not holding my breath. I'll have to mention that the GREED side involves absolute LUNACY and a massive PLAY FOR POWER! I'll go ahead and say it: the stakes may be so high that the people will be run over to get there. It's much more than just 36 billion American tax dollars at stake.

I honestly think that the only hope to stop it now would involve the PEOPLE standing up with the SCIENTISTS and DEMANDING that this LUNACY BE ENDED! By the way, that won't fit into the already made PLANS of EMERGING POWER CONGLOMERATES! This could easily be one of the vehicles used to establish a ONE WORLD ORDER, or it just might be the MAIN VEHICLE. This is just applying some common sense about what's really happening under our noses. We're watching it happen, and it isn't some kind of wild conspiracy theory.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: HisDaughter on May 20, 2008, 10:30:07 PM

More than 31,000 scientists across the U.S. – including more than 9,000 Ph.D.s in fields such as atmospheric science, climatology, Earth science, environment and dozens of other specialties – have signed a petition rejecting "global warming," the assumption that the human production of greenhouse gases is damaging Earth's climate.


At least someone is taking an "action" by signing a petition.  This a good sign to me.  Whatever the out come, someone has decided to DO something at least.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on May 20, 2008, 11:28:37 PM
9,000 Ph.D.s 'entitled to their opinion'
Presidential spokeswoman declines comment on global warming petition

The spokeswoman for President Bush says the thousands of scientists from across the United States that reject the theory of "global warming" about human-caused greenhouse gases posing a major threat to future life can have their "opinion."

But no further comment came from Dana Perino, the White House spokeswoman, when asked about the issue by Les Kinsolving, WND's correspondent at the White House.

At today's White House news briefing, he asked, "WorldNetDaily reports that more than 31,000 U.S. scientists, including 9,000 Ph.D.s, now [have] signed a petition rejecting global warming, the assumption that human production of greenhouse gases is damaging the Earth's climate. My question: What is the White House reaction to these 31,000 U.S. scientists?"

"I would say that everyone is entitled to their opinion," Perino responded. "What's your next question?"

"That's all?" Kinsolving asked.

"That's all I'm going to say," she said.

As WND has reported, more than 31,000 scientists across the U.S. – including more than 9,000 Ph.D.s in fields such as atmospheric science, climatology, Earth science, environment and dozens of other specialties – have signed a petition rejecting "global warming," the assumption that the human production of greenhouse gases is damaging Earth's climate.

"There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate," the petition states. "Moreover, there is substantial scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the Earth."

The Petition Project actually was launched nearly 10 years ago, when the first few thousand signatures were assembled. Then, between 1999 and 2007, the list of signatures grew gradually without any special effort or campaign.

But now, a new effort has been conducted because of an "escalation of the claims of 'consensus,' release of the movie 'An Inconvenient Truth' by Mr. Al Gore, and related events," according to officials with the project.

"Mr. Gore's movie, asserting a 'consensus' and 'settled science' in agreement about human-caused global warming, conveyed the claims about human-caused global warming to ordinary movie goers and to public school children, to whom the film was widely distributed. Unfortunately, Mr. Gore's movie contains many very serious incorrect claims which no informed, honest scientist could endorse," said project spokesman and founder Art Robinson.

WND submitted a request to Gore's office for comment but did not get a response.

Bush hasn't been a significant promoter of any "global warming" antidote promoted by the United Nations, among others, to set vast new rules for the release of such greenhouse gases.

However, just weeks ago he laid out his global warming policy that seeks to stop the growth of greenhouse gas emissions by 2025, officials said, disappointing the faithful who claimed his plan fell far short of what they want done to reverse "global warming."

Robinson said the dire warnings about "global warming" have gone far beyond semantics or scientific discussion now to the point they are actually endangering people.

"The campaign to severely ration hydrocarbon energy technology has now been markedly expanded," he said. "In the course of this campaign, many scientifically invalid claims about impending climate emergencies are being made. Simultaneously, proposed political actions to severely reduce hydrocarbon use now threaten the prosperity of Americans and the very existence of hundreds of millions of people in poorer countries," he said.

The campaign condemns the "global warming agreement," written in Kyoto, Japan, in 1997, as potentially harmful to the environment itself.

"The inalienable rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness include the right of access to life-giving and life-enhancing technology. This is especially true of access to the most basic of all technologies: energy. These human rights have been extensively and wrongly abridged," Robinson said. "During the past two generations in the U.S., a system of high taxation, extensive regulation, and ubiquitous litigation has arisen that prevents the accumulation of sufficient capital and the exercise of sufficient freedom to build and preserve needed modern technology."

He said unfavorable energy plans damage the U.S. energy production, increase dependence of foreign oil and actually have nothing to do with energy itself, but everything to do with power, control and money, which the United Nations is seeking. He accused the U.N. of violating human rights in its campaign to ban much energy research, exploration and development.

In a second question, Kinsolving asked, "As you know, the California Supreme Court, by a one vote majority, has legalized same-sex marriage. And my question: Does the White House believe that there is any more legal and moral right for same-sex marriage than for marriages that are polygamous? And if so, why?"

"I'm just going to decline to comment. That's a – the subject that you're talking about, in terms of the court case, is still in litigation, and the president believes in the sanctity of marriage between one man and one woman," Perino said.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: HisDaughter on May 21, 2008, 12:07:50 AM
I would comment on this but right now I'm looking for something sharp to poke in my eye.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: HisDaughter on May 21, 2008, 12:17:55 AM
Amazing that we haven't heard anything from "Al-the-earth's-pal", since his movie.  I wonder, did he know how his movie of comedy would snow ball like it has?  That's why is been under the wire ever since?  Or have I just missed something from him since I haven't had T.V. in couple of months?


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on May 21, 2008, 07:58:06 AM
He's been doing a lot of small lectures here and there at colleges trying to convince the students that he's right, mostly with those that already believe him.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on May 21, 2008, 11:11:52 PM
He's been doing a lot of small lectures here and there at colleges trying to convince the students that he's right, mostly with those that already believe him.



Al Gore and his band of thieves have a considerable investment for advertising and education so that they can SWINDLE the world. I, for one, would love to see them lose every penny and go to prison for FRAUD. YES - they are taking money under false pretenses. If their con game goes much further, most of the first victims will be poor people and poor countries. Their CON GAME will accomplish NOTHING but stealing money for already rich people. Huge numbers of people will suffer in this CON GAME in the form of hunger, loss of medical care, and much worse. The longer their CON GAME continues, the worse the suffering will be. It will take some time for the negative effects to mount up. Some of the negative effects can be reversed if we are able to STOP this CON GAME soon enough. It should be obvious that each individual person and family has different financial circumstances. Some are capable of paying more and longer without suffering major effects, but many families were barely surviving before Al Gore and his band of thieves went to work. SO, all it takes is a small THEFT to cause SUFFERING for many people. At this point, I don't think that anyone knows how many prices are effected by this CON GAME. Could we guess that the CON GAME probably effects the costs of transportation? YES! If so, this involves the ability to get to work and is the work of many people. The costs of transportation obviously involves the costs of every necessity that people must buy - JUST TO SURVIVE. MANY PEOPLE ARE ALREADY SUFFERING!


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: HisDaughter on May 26, 2008, 05:18:27 PM
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Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on May 26, 2008, 06:01:37 PM
 ;D   ;D   ;D    ROFL!

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Great Graphics! - Consider them snagged. I don't have any good ones on this issue, so I'll try to give you something else for a laugh.

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Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: HisDaughter on May 26, 2008, 06:07:34 PM
I found those on a news website after I typed in "Al Gore"!  I hadn't seen those ones yet either, but as usual, I couldn't resist sharing them!
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Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on May 28, 2008, 04:23:44 PM
On Sept 25, 2007 the The Ultimate Global Warming Challenge announced that it raised to $125,000 the cash award to the first person to prove in a scientific manner that human emissions of greenhouse gases will cause catastrophic global climate change. Since that time it was raised again to $150,000 and now all the way up to $500,000 American dollars.

For some odd reason no one has even attempted to come forward to claim this money. In fact the global warming alarmists, with Al Gore in the lead, are running with tales tucked away from this challenge.  With their desire for so much money and the fact they say "The Science Is Settled" I would think that they would have jumped at this chance a long time ago. I guess it tells the truth about their so-called science.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on May 28, 2008, 04:43:44 PM
Al Gore and his fellow-conspirators have not answered this challenge because it would EXPOSE THEIR CON GAME AND MASSIVE FRAUD! I think that the Al Gore Gang needs to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. He can write his next book from PRISON! Numerous CRIMINAL CHARGES most definitely apply, and the CRIMES ARE IN PROGRESS as we speak. Prosecution shouldn't represent much of a problem at all. Organized Crime Statutes should definitely apply since so many people are involved. Organized Crime Statutes also allow the confiscation of money and property gained as a result of crime. Seizure of the assets of the major players might recover the massive sums of money already stolen in one of the largest CON GAMES in history!


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on May 29, 2008, 01:13:37 PM
There are indications that there is a lawsuit pending against Al Gore in regards to the picture that he and many other global warming alarmists have been using of the Polar Bears on an ice flow. The picture was taken by Amanda Byrd and has been used without her permission. The following is the story behind the picture:


Carole "CJ" Williams
January 26, 2008
NewsWithViews.com

Last March, global warming fanatic Al Gore used a picture of two polar bears purportedly stranded on melting ice off the coast of Alaska as a visual aide to support his claim that man-made global warming is doing great harm to Mother Earth. The one he chose, but didn’t offer to pay for right away, turned out to be a photo of a polar bear and her cub out doing what healthy, happy polar bears do on a wave-eroded chunk of ice not all that far from shore in the Beaufort Sea north of Barstow, Alaska.

The picture, wrongly credited to Dan Crosbie, an ice observer specialist for the Canadian Ice Service, was actually taken by Amanda Byrd while she was on a university-related research cruise in August of 2004, a time of year when the fringe of the Arctic ice cap normally melts. Byrd, a marine biology grad student at the time, was gathering zooplankton for a multi-year study of the Arctic Ocean.

Crosbie, who was also on the trip, pilfered the polar bear photo from a shared computer onboard the Canadian icebreaker where Ms. Byrd downloaded her snapshots; he saved it in his personal file. Several months later, Crosbie, who is known as an avid photographer, gave the photo to the Canadian Ice Service, which then allowed Environment Canada to use it as an illustration for an online magazine.

Today that photo, with credit given to photographer Dan Crosbie and the Canadian Ice Service, can be found all over the Internet, generally with the caption “Two polar bears are stranded on a chunk of melting ice”.

It’s a hoax, folks. The bears, which can swim distances of 100 miles and more, weren’t stranded; they were merely taking a break and watching the boat go by when a lady snapped their picture.

On Feb. 2, 2007 Denis Simard, a representative of Environment Canada, distributed that lady’s photo to 7 media agencies, including the Associated Press, and timed it to coincide with the release of the United Nations’ major global warming report in Paris, France on Feb 3rd. When the press called Simard in Paris to ask if it was his picture and could they print it, he says, “I gave them permission because Dan said it was his picture.”

Al Gore saw the picture shortly thereafter and contrived to use it in a presentation about man-made global warming that he staged at a conference of human resource executives on March 22, 2007 in Toronto, Canada.

With an enlarged version of Amanda Byrd’s polar bear picture on the screen behind him, Gore said, “Their habitat is melting… beautiful animals, literally being forced off the planet. They’re in trouble, got nowhere else to go.”

Of course, after those words were spoken, the audience, being under the impression that polar bears are in imminent danger, gasped with concern and sympathy for the plight of the poor, pathetic polar bear population, whose diet, by the way, can include convenient humans, though attacks, like wolf-human attacks, are said to be rare.

According to Ms. Bryd, when she took the picture, the mother bear and its cub didn’t appear to be in any danger and Denis Simard seems to have backpedaled when quoted by Ontario’s National Post as saying that you “have to keep in mind that the bears aren’t in danger at all. It was, if you will, their playground for 15 minutes. You know what I mean? This is a perfect picture for climate change, in a way, because you have the impression they are in the middle of the ocean and they are going to die with a coke in their hands. But they were not that far from the coast, and it was possible for them to swim.” (The “Coca Cola Polar Bears” were introduced in 1992, and it would seem that Mr. Simard believes polar bears drink it after a swim.)

Al Gore, who was awarded a 2007 Nobel Prize for drawing the world’s attention to the dangers of global warming, as well as a coveted Hollywood Oscar in ‘07 for his documentary “An Inconvenient Truth”, stands to make millions of dollars selling carbon offsets through his London based corporation, Generation Investment Management.

Gore, who apparently can’t tell a polar bear with nowhere to go from one that’s playing on an over-sized and wave-beaten ice cube, offered to pay non-Canadian Amanda Byrd for the use of her photo after the fact.

Perhaps the former University of Alaska-Fairbanks grad student and managing editor of “Mushing Magazine” let the world’s Global Warming Czar off the hook for super-sizing her photo, but others who used it without permission may not be so lucky.

Though she now charges from $500 to $700 for its use, Canadian courts will award photographers as much as $20,000 for each time one of their photos is published without permission, and it’s almost certain that Simard and Crosbie will be paying off Amanda’s school loans.

So there you have the real story about Gore’s endangered polar bears, but there’s more balderdash to come.

It’s predicted that during his January 28th State of the Union address, Pres. Bush will mention the plight of the polar bears whose habitat is purportedly melting due to man-made global warming. Perhaps he’ll surprise the environmentalists and claim otherwise, but either way, shortly after his address, Sec. of the Interior Kempthorne stands ready to announce his decision about whether or not to list polar bears as “threatened” according to Endangered Species Act (ESA) guidelines.

You may think what happens in the artic won’t concern you, but if polar bears are listed as threatened, as the Center for Biological Diversity petitioned them to be, it will substantiate the global warming claim and adversely affect the lives of everyone in the United States.

The claim that global warming is largely man-made is based on computer modeling and supposition, and it’s being used as a manipulative tool to force us to restructure our nation’s industriousness and greatly curtail our personal energy consumption. Moreover, because other countries, i.e. China and India, won’t have the same onus, US citizens will have to mitigate bogus man-made global warming for them, too.

According to information from the American Land Rights Assoc., under the ESA any activity regulated by the Federal Government (i.e. air or water quality) would be subject to further regulation because of claims that “greenhouse gas” emissions have a potentially adverse effect on polar bear habitat.

Virtually everything people do involves fossil fuels and greenhouse gases, and since 85% of our energy comes from fossil fuels, almost every heating, cooling, transportation (including shipping) and electricity decision will be affected. Utility and manufacturing companies will be required to slash CO2 emissions, forcing an increase in prices to cover escalated new costs.

But it won’t stop there. All other sources of carbon dioxide, methane, and other greenhouse gases will also be regulated and restricted by environmental alarmists; bakeries, breweries, chicken and dairy farms, cattle ranches, dry cleaners, auto manufacturers, cement and other industrial facilities, and on and on, ad nauseum.

As their costs go up, so will consumers’ costs to heat and cool homes, drive cars, and clothe and feed their family. And, as costs go up, companies may further reduce their workforces or outsource jobs to other countries so as to stay in business.

Blue collar, poor, and fixed income families will be hit the hardest, but everyone’s jobs and cost of living will be affected. However, the likes of Al Gore and other elitists will still be flying around in private jets and cashing in on their investments in a newly created multi-billion dollar alternative energy industry and carbon offset scheme designed to supposedly mitigate the man-made global warming scam.

Just as Gore’s endangered polar bear picture was a hoax, so is the assertion repeated by politicians and global warming/climate change criers that “2,500 scientists of the United Nations’ Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) agree that humans are causing a climate crisis”.

According to an article authored by John McLean and Tom Harris, published in the Dec. 14th Canada Free Press, only 600 of the 2,500 IPCC scientists reviewed the specific multi-chaptered report related to the possibility of man-made global warming adversely affecting the environment. Of those 600 scientists, 308 made comments, but only 62 reviewed and made comments regarding the critical Chapter 9 related to man and his activities being the primary cause of climate change. Of those 62, fifty-five are said to have a serious vested interest, which leaves very few credible IPCC scientists out of the 2,500 who supposedly agree that global warming is manmade.

Virtually hundreds, if not thousands, of qualified and well respected scientists who have studied global warming and its causes and effects disagree with the IPCC scientists who were hand-picked by the notoriously corrupt United Nations organization to come to a consensual agreement regarding global warming. However, for the most part, those who disagree are being ignored by mass media, appointed bureaucrats, and our elected government officials.

The truth of the matter is that the man-made global warming fear factor is based on little but computer modeling, conjecture, hype, contrived hysteria, and the desire of bureaucrats, politicians and radical greenies to eliminate the use of fossil fuels and gain control of people’s lives. Regardless, SB-2191, a bill to lower the boom on “greenhouse gas” emissions and people, is pending in the Senate.

cont'd


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on May 29, 2008, 01:15:36 PM
It’s you or the polar bears, folks, and you’re out of time. Call the White House, the Interior Department and your Congressmen now and politely tell them you do not believe man and his activities are the principal cause of global warming; that you do not want polar bears listed as threatened and do not want regulatory Senate Bill-2191 passed.




Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on May 29, 2008, 07:39:30 PM
It’s you or the polar bears, folks, and you’re out of time. Call the White House, the Interior Department and your Congressmen now and politely tell them you do not believe man and his activities are the principal cause of global warming; that you do not want polar bears listed as threatened and do not want regulatory Senate Bill-2191 passed.




By the way, the numbers of polar bears have INCREASED dramatically over recent years. It is NOT TRUE that their numbers are decreasing. This is yet ANOTHER CONVENIENT LIE!


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: HisDaughter on May 31, 2008, 07:43:07 PM

Every adult in Britain forced to carry 'carbon ration cards?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1021983/Every-adult-Britain-forced-carry-carbon-ration-cards-say-MPs.html


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Every adult should be forced to use a 'carbon ration card' when they pay for petrol, airline tickets or household energy, MPs say.

The influential Environmental Audit Committee says a personal carbon trading scheme is the best and fairest way of cutting Britain's CO2 emissions without penalising the poor.

Under the scheme, everyone would be given an annual carbon allowance to use when buying oil, gas, electricity and flights.

Anyone who exceeds their entitlement would have to buy top-up credits from individuals who haven't used up their allowance. The amount paid would be driven by market forces and the deal done through a specialist company.

MPs, led by Tory Tim Yeo, say the scheme could be more effective at cutting greenhouse gas emissions than green taxes.

But critics say the idea is costly, bureaucratic, intrusive and unworkable.

The Government says it supports the scheme in principle, but warns it is 'ahead of its time'.

The idea of personal carbon trading is increasingly being promoted by environmentalists. In theory it could be used to cover all purchases - from petrol to food.

For the scheme to work, the Government would need to give out 45million carbon cards - each one linked to a personal carbon account. Every year, the account would be credited with a notional amount of CO2 in kilograms.

Every time someone makes a purchase of petrol, energy or airline tickets, they would use up credits. A return flight from London to Rome would, for instance, use up 900kg of CO2 credits, while 10 litres of petrol would use up 23kg.

MP Tim Yeo MP, says the scheme could be more effective at cutting Britain's greenhouse gas emissions

Mr Yeo, chairman of the committee said personal carbon trading rewarded those with a low carbon footprint with cash.

'We found that personal carbon trading has real potential to engage the population in the fight against climate change and to achieve significant emissions reductions in a progressive way,' he said.

'The idea is a radical one. As such it inevitably faces some significant challenges in its development. It is important to meet these challenges.

'What we are asking the Government to do is to seize the reins on this, leading the debate and coordinating research.'

The Government is committed to cutting CO2 emissions to 20 per cent below 1990 levels by 2010.

The Climate Change Bill going through Parliament aims to cut emissions by 60 per cent by 2050. The Government has said it backs the idea in principle, but it is currently too expensive and bureaucratic.

Environment Minister Hilary Benn said: 'It's got potential but, in essence, it's ahead of its time. There are a lot of practical problems to overcome.'

A Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs report into the scheme found it would cost between Ł700million and Ł2billion to set up and up to another Ł2billion a year to run.

Tory environment spokesman Peter Ainsworth added: 'Although it does have potential we should proceed with care. We don't want to alienate people and we want everyone to be on board.'

But critics say the idea is deeply flawed. The scheme would penalise those living in the countryside who were dependent on their cars, as well as the elderly or housebound who need to heat their homes in the day.

Large families would suffer, as would those working at nights when little public transport is available.

It would need to take into account the size of families, and their ages. There is huge potential for fraud.

Matthew Elliott of the Taxpayers' Alliance said the cards would be hugely unpopular. 'The Government has shown itself incapable of managing any huge, complex IT system.' he said.

How The Scheme Would Work

Every adult in the UK would be given an annual carbon dioxide allowance in kgs and a special carbon card.

The scheme would cover road fuel, flights and energy bills.

Every time someone paid for road fuel, flights or energy, their carbon account would be docked.

A litre of petrol would use up 2.3kg in carbon, while every 1.3 miles of airline flight would use another 1kg.

When paying for petrol, the card would need to swiped at the till. It would be a legal offence to buy petrol without using a card.

When paying online, or by direct debit, the carbon account would be debited directly.

Anyone who doesn't use up their credits in a year can sell them to someone who wants more credits. Trading would be done through specialist companies.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: HisDaughter on May 31, 2008, 07:44:42 PM

Under the scheme, everyone would be given an annual carbon allowance to use when buying oil, gas, electricity and flights.



666


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on June 02, 2008, 10:43:07 PM
Citizens fire back
with carbon 'belch'
Americans pledge to boost emissions,
wage war against proposed CO2 tax

Thousands of Americans are pledging to fire up their charcoal barbecue grills, bask in the infinite glow of numerous incandescent light bulbs, shun recycling of any kind and take spontaneous road trips in gas-guzzling vehicles to increase their personal carbon output – all in protest of the Senate debate over a bill calling for a "cap-and-trade" system.

Grassfire, one of the nation's fastest-growing grassroots organizations, has declared June 12 Carbon Belch Day and is enlisting citizens to expel more than 100 million pounds of CO2 to combat climate alarmist propaganda and to take a stand against a "$1.2 trillion carbon tax."

"We wanted to point out the absurdity of the climate alarmism of Al Gore and others who want to make us feel bad for just about everything we do and rally people for the battle over the carbon tax which is now underway in the Senate," Grassfire president Steve Elliott told WND. "We really plan to engage lots of citizens who have been under carbon-footprint guilt for far too long and give citizens an opportunity to make a statement that we reject climate alarmism. We're not going to stand for this carbon tax."

The Lieberman-Warner bill, named after sponsors Sen. Joe Lieberman, I-Conn., and Sen. John Warner, R-Va., calls for imposed limits on U.S. greenhouse-gas emissions beginning in 2012. President Bush opposed the bill, saying it could create as much as $6 trillion in new costs on the American economy, though he has not threatened to veto it.

Elliott said, "We wanted to time Carbon Belch Day around the debate of that bill so we could rally people and have a platform to talk about this issue."

Grassfire provides a "Carbon Belch Calculator" with a checklist of activities citizens can take part in to celebrate their independence from climate alarmist-imposed blame. Suggestions include the following:

    * Super-cool your house (turn A/C down 5 degrees)
    * Don't recycle glass/plastic/aluminum/newspapers for one day
    * Take a plane trip
    * Eat meat with at least two meals (steak dinner a bonus)
    * Mow your lawn with gas-powered mower
    * Leave two light bulbs on for entire day
    * Hang/light one string of Christmas lights
    * Host a barbecue with lots of friends – charcoal (11lbs/hr) or gas (5.6lbs/hr)
    * Drink beer
    * Watch television
    * Light a campfire
    * Do partial load of laundry
    * Take an 8-minute shower
    * Leave computer on 24 hours
    * Drink bottled water

Elliott said Grassfire took research that climate alarmists put together to create the calculator. The organization has already surpassed its goal with 108,566,729 pounds of carbon emission commitments, and Elliott is planning for an even larger response.

"It shows that there are many tens of thousands of citizens who don't accept climate alarmism and who are not going to sit by quietly as Congress imposes another tax on the American people," he said. "We just want to see this continue to grow as we rally people in opposition to what the climate alarmists are doing."

Grassfire cites Britain's Environmental Audit Committee plan to implement a card system and require citizens to punch in when they pay for gas, plane tickets or household energy as reason for concern in the U.S. The organization warns, "Don't think for a minute that 'carbon ration cards' won't find their way to the Democratic-controlled Congress, especially when all the presidential candidates are pushing climate alarmism."

Elliot said Americans should break free of carbon footprint guilt and refuse to go along with "a huge government program with a huge government tax."

He encourages concerned citizens to sign a pledge stating, "I will do my best to increase my CO2 output and unleash a Carbon Belch on the planet. I do this with no fear or concern that I am destroying the planet. In fact, I think a good Carbon Belch can be healthy now and again."

Internet forums were ablaze with reactions to the Carbon Belch Day announcement. The following are responses to Grassfire's proposal:

    * Thanks for the heads up. I'll see how many things I can leave on at home that day while I take the old jalopy for a long, aimless ride.

    * Very mature everyone. Let's waste resources and pollute just to prove how immature and proud of our ignorance we are. Way to fit the stereotype of the dumb, arrogant, wasteful American. Fortunately, as you all get older won't have to put up with your 19th century ignorance. I just hope that you North Shore Nancies etc. don't screw up the world much more before we are rid of you.

    * Why not just have a barbecue in the middle of the week and have some old-fashioned fun? June 12 is a great day for a barbecue. I can smell the meat cooking, and PETA getting HOT over this, along with the global warming extremist pundits. Those guys have gone too far anyways … let's get some balance back!

    * That's messed up … Thank people like that for record high energy prices and climbing rates of environmental quality related health issues like asthma.

    * ["Sad" climate alarmists:] I'll light a candle for you on June 12 (In fact, I'll light a whole bunch of candles for you).



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on June 02, 2008, 10:44:16 PM
I think that I'm going to make a big pot of baked beans on the grill also.

 ;D ;D



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on June 02, 2008, 10:53:04 PM
I think that I'm going to make a big pot of baked beans on the grill also.

 ;D ;D



 ;D   ;D   ;D

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That sounds like a good idea for all of us, but I do think we need to add some hot polish sausage to those beans.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on June 02, 2008, 11:15:57 PM
Polish sausage sounds alright but not the spices. I think that I would prefer some homemade brats.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: HisDaughter on June 03, 2008, 12:16:13 AM
I don't live anywhere that I can do any of these things, but don't count me out!  I'll EAT a can of beans and let the gases emit!  ;D


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: HisDaughter on June 03, 2008, 12:17:42 AM
I don't live anywhere that I can do any of these things, but don't count me out!  I'll EAT a can of beans and let the gases emit!  ;D

I know, I know...spoken like a true lady!

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Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on June 03, 2008, 12:26:50 AM
I know, I know...spoken like a true lady!

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Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: HisDaughter on June 03, 2008, 12:31:48 AM

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I don't know about a rabbit, but I'll catch a fish, gut it, clean it and cook it up toot sweet!  ;D ;D


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on June 03, 2008, 12:11:45 PM
New tax on airline tickets
to fight global warming?
162 nation conference examining
ways of raising billions of dollars

A tax on airline tickets and an auction of pollution rights are just two ideas likely to be studied at a 162-nation conference examining ways of raising the billions of dollars needed every year to fight global warming.

More than 2,000 delegates opened the two-week meeting Monday, launching an 18-month process of intense negotiations on an agreement to succeed the Kyoto Protocol, which expires in 2012.

Discussions began with a warning from poor countries and environmentalists that global warming already is harming millions of people, worsening the global food crisis and changing Earth more rapidly than scientists earlier predicted.

Climate change "for us is not a distant reality, but a present reality," said Amjad Abdulla of the Maldives, whose Indian Ocean island nation could vanish if sea levels rise just a few feet.

Recent cyclones that have battered Myanmar and Bangladesh "should be a wake-up call to all of us," he said, speaking for 49 nations grouped as Least Developed Countries.

The Bonn talks are to go into the details of an agreement to be concluded in December 2009 and signed in Copenhagen, Denmark. The talks are based on an accord reached in Bali last December when the United States, India and China indicated they would take part in a post-2012 arrangement.

"The critical issue will be financial engineering," said Yvo de Boer, the United Nations' top climate official.

"The developing countries made a major step forward by saying in Bali they are willing to take real, measurable and verifiable steps to limit their emissions—provided real, measurable and verifiable money is put on the table," he said.

The new climate change pact will succeed the first phase of the 1997 Kyoto Protocol, which requires 37 industrialized nations to reduce greenhouse gas emissions an average of 5 percent below 1990 levels by 2012.

The United States agreed to the Bali accord after several of its objections were met. It had signed but refused to ratify Kyoto, largely because rapidly developing economies like India and China faced no climate obligations.

At least seven more major meetings are scheduled before Copenhagen, with the next in August in Accra, Ghana. Delegates say the new pact must be concluded by December 2009 so it can be ratified in time to smoothly replace Kyoto in 2012.

Few, if any, conclusions were expected from the Bonn talks.

The most difficult issues have been put off until next year, when a new and presumably more climate-friendly administration takes over in Washington.

De Boer told The Associated Press on Sunday that by 2030 the world will need to spend $200 billion to $300 billion a year to contain global warming and help developing nations adapt to their changing conditions—such as less rainfall, harsher storms, and the extinction or migration of species.

Several delegations have brought proposals to Bonn for raising those funds.

Mexico wants to create a pool of regular donations from each country according to its financial means, which would be distributed to developing countries according to need.

The European Union and several small countries are working on proposals for a climate tax on aviation and shipping.

The growing carbon market could be a major source of revenue. In the EU, industries are allocated pollution rights allowing them to emit carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases, which they can trade on the open market. Companies that do not use all their credits can sell them to others that have exceeded their pollution limits.

Many delegations, supported by environmentalists, say those emission credits should be auctioned rather than allocated for free. Damien Demailly, of the environmental group WWF France, estimated such auctions could raise $40 billion annually.

De Boer has floated an idea to create a climate change bond that would be sold by developing countries to investors. The bond issue would evolve from the current system under which countries gain credit for projects they finance in another country that can verifiably reduce that country's carbon emissions.

Scientists warn the world's carbon emissions must peak within the next 10 to 15 years and then fall by half by mid-century to avert potentially catastrophic consequences.

Bill Hare, a scientist for the Greenpeace environmental group, said in the half year since Bali, a grimmer scientific picture has emerged regarding global warming. New reports say ice is melting at a record rate in Greenland and Antarctica, he said, and droughts in Australia, Ukraine and Russia have cut into food production.

"The negotiators here are gathering under a darkening cloud," Hare said. "The level of ambition is far too low."


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on June 03, 2008, 09:19:42 PM
Army: Sun, Not Man, Is Causing Climate Change

 The Army is weighing in on the global warming debate, claiming that climate change is not man-made.  Instead, Dr. Bruce West, with the Army Research Office, argues that "changes in the earth’s average surface temperature are directly linked to ... the short-term statistical fluctuations in the Sun’s irradiance and the longer-term solar cycles."

In an advisory to bloggers entitled "Global Warming: Fact of Fiction [sic]," an Army public affairs official promoted a conference call with West about "the causes of global warming, and how it may not be caused by the common indicates [sic] some scientists and the media are indicating."

In the March, 2008 issue of Physics Today, West, the chief scientist of the Army Research Office's mathematical and information science directorate, wrote that "the Sun’s turbulent dynamics" are linked with the Earth's complex ecosystem. These connections are what is heating up the planet. "The Sun could account for as much as 69 percent of the increase in Earth’s average temperature," West noted.

It's a position that puts West at odds with nearly every major scientific organization on the planet. "The American Meteorological Society, the American Geophysical Union, and the American Association for the Advancement of Science all have issued statements in recent years concluding that the evidence for human modification of climate is compelling," Science magazine observes. So has the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), which shared the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize with Al Gore, for their work on global warming.

West acknowledges that the IPCC and other scientific groups have "conclude[d] that the contribution of solar variability to global warming is negligible." He argues that these groups have done a poor job modeling the Sun's impact, however, and that's why they have "significantly over-estimated" the "anthropogenic contribution to global warming."

In recent days, the science and politics of climate change have once again taken center stage. NASA's Inspector General just issued a report, acknowledging that political appointees "reduced, marginalized or mischaracterized climate change science made available to the general public." Yesterday, the Senate began debating a bill that would cap carbon dioxide emissions -- considered one of the leading causes of man-made global warming.

After the jump: the Army's full press release.


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Date: Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 12:21 PM
Subject: Army Blogger's Roundtable: Global Warming (UNCLASSIFIED)
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Army Blogger’s Roundtable

Global Warming: Fact of Fiction

11 AM Thursday, June 5

Is global warming really caused by humans, or is it simply the result of different aspects of the sun’s dynamics?

Dr. Bruce West, Chief Scientist, Mathematical & Information Science Directorate, Army Research Office, will discuss the causes of global warming, and how it may not be caused by the common indicates some scientists and the media are indicating. Research conducted by Dr. West contends that the changes in the earth’s average surface temperature are directly linked to two distinctly different aspects of the sun’s dynamics: the short-term statistical fluctuations in the Sun’s irradiance and the longer-term solar cycles.

Please reply to this message if you are interested in participating.

Lindy Kyzer

Public Affairs Specialist

Media Relations Division

Office of the Chief of Public Affairs

Department of the Army

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Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on June 03, 2008, 09:30:18 PM
I wonder if Congress and the President will ignore the Army on this and will still continue with their carbon tax bills. Most likely.  ::) ::)



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on June 03, 2008, 09:44:07 PM
I wonder if Congress and the President will ignore the Army on this and will still continue with their carbon tax bills. Most likely.  ::) ::)



It appears that this MASSIVE CON GAME AND FRAUD has a good chance of becoming a MASSIVE EXTORTION - ONE OF THE MOST WIDESPREAD CRIMES IN HISTORY! If our representatives can't or won't STOP THIS CRIME - THERE IS NOTHING LEFT EXCEPT CORRUPTION!


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: HisDaughter on June 03, 2008, 10:39:40 PM
New tax on airline tickets
to fight global warming?
162 nation conference examining
ways of raising billions of dollars

A tax on airline tickets and an auction of pollution rights are just two ideas likely to be studied at a 162-nation conference examining ways of raising the billions of dollars needed every year to fight global warming.


I am too nauseated to read more!  It is just totally unbeliveable how this lie has taken off and the ones that are paying for it is the PEOPLE.  It's a good thing I don't fly anywhere.  But even besides that, I was going to get a car when I moved into my new apartment (mine broke down right after taking this job), but the more I see and the more I think about it, I have to ask myself WHY?  Seattle has one to the best Public Transit systems in the nation.  The hard part would be getting my grandson to my place on my days off, but it can be done.  And a bit inconvient for grocery shopping, but I figure I'll get me one of the those "old lady" carts that you see em' pulling along behind them and I'll be just fine.
(http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j155/Crittersue/grocerycart.gif)

See!  Perfect! (Except for the beer.  I'll replace that with my addiction of.............................. Diet Pepsi!)


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: HisDaughter on June 03, 2008, 10:42:38 PM
MASSIVE EXTORTION

You've hit the nail square on the head there, my Brother!


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on June 03, 2008, 11:35:10 PM
 ;D   ;D

Hello GrammyLuv,

I think that I'll go in the opposite direction and get a mode of transportation that I can go where I want to and when I want to.

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(Small Print: fully armed.)   ;D


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on June 03, 2008, 11:49:40 PM
;D   ;D

Hello GrammyLuv,

I think that I'll go in the opposite direction and get a mode of transportation that I can go where I want to and when I want to.

(http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i160/tlr10/milit/milit103.gif)

(Small Print: fully armed.)   ;D

and an excellent gas guzzler.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: HisDaughter on June 04, 2008, 12:25:39 AM
and an excellent gas guzzler.



That's for sure!  Maybe I'll get on of these....

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Yeah!  THAT's the ticket!  I can just see me now!  ;D


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on June 04, 2008, 12:54:15 AM
That's for sure!  Maybe I'll get on of these....

(http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd69/colinechevarria/mini-bike-frame.jpg)

Yeah!  THAT's the ticket!  I can just see me now!  ;D

Looks like that person is bowing down to the liberals.   :D :D



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on June 04, 2008, 11:32:09 AM
A DISASTER, GETTING WORSE

We wrote here about the economic disaster that goes by the name Lieberman-Warner, the carbon cap-and-trade system now being considered by the Senate.

The bill, as amended by Barbara Boxer, has now gotten even worse. Boxer's amendment adds more than 300 regulations and mandates.

Yesterday, four Republican Senators held a press conference on Lieberman-Warner. Jim Inhofe of Oklahoma:

    [T]his would be the largest single tax increase in the history of the country. This is the -- using their own figures, it would be $6.7 trillion, with a maximum giving back over the life of this bill of $2.5 trillion. That leaves $4.2 trillion dollars.

Kit Bond of Missouri:

    According to EPA, under Lieberman-Warner, the average household power bills rise 44 percent by 2030. They lose $4,377 to higher energy prices and pay $1.40 more for gas by 2050.

    I, like Senator McConnell, toured my state this past week talking about energy. And you know something?

    When I told my Missouri constituents that the Senate this week would not be talking about moving a bill to open up the massive oil and gas supplies that we have in America to lower prices, that this body would be considering a bill to add huge price increases to all energy, they could not believe it.

    What is the Senate doing? That's a good question, because these higher U.S. energy prices would drive energy-intensive manufacturing jobs overseas to foreign countries with cheaper energy prices. Manufacturing workers are already suffering.

    We've seen half of U.S. fertilizer industry leave the country. Chemical companies and plastic companies are leaving the U.S. Just recently, Dow announced it was thinking of selling its plastic business because firms in Asia and the Middle East have access to cheaper energy.

    Adding to this misery, manufacturers estimate this bill will cost my state of Missouri over 76,000 jobs and cut between 3 million and 4 million jobs nationwide by 2030.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on June 04, 2008, 11:39:09 AM
Flood of scientists continue to sign petition opposed to global warming alarmism, says Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine
 
As the Senate prepares for floor debate on global warming legislation, the list of scientist signatories to the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine's petition against global warming alarmism is growing by about 35 signatures every day, announced OISM's Art Robinson.

On May 19, 2008, OISM announced that over 31,000 scientists, including more than 9,000 with PhDs, signed a petition that states, There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane or other greenhouse gases is causing, or will cause in the future, catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate...

Signatories include such luminaries as theoretical physicist Freeman Dyson, MIT's atmospheric physicist Richard Lindzen and first National Academy of Sciences president Frederick Seitz. More than 40 signatories are members of the prestigious national Academy of Sciences.

The purpose of the Petition Project is to demonstrate that the claim of settled science and an overwhelming consensus in favor of the hypothesis of human-caused global warming and consequent climatological damage is wrong. No such consensus or settled science exists. As indicated by the petition text and signatory list, a very large number of American scientists reject this hypothesis.

There is currently 31,072 signatures and still growing.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on June 05, 2008, 12:00:53 AM
Brothers and Sisters,

This is one of those things where it is hoped by power and money-hungry thieves hope that a LIE told long enough and often enough becomes the truth. What they are attempting to do is ILLEGAL AND UNCONSTITUTIONAL! It should be met with CRIMINAL AND CIVIL PROSECUTION! It's a FRAUD where the connected will make huge sums of money and the unconnected will suffer greatly. Average people are the unconnected if you hadn't guessed, AND AVERAGE PEOPLE CAN FILE THE CHARGES! Average people can also sign petitions that would FORCE A VOTE on THIS LIE! If this much effort is expended, it would be a good thing to address many other issues at the same time that are also ILLEGAL AND UNCONSTITUTIONAL. IT'S TIME FOR A CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION AND TAKING OUR COUNTRY BACK!


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on June 06, 2008, 11:02:29 AM
Vote on climate bill is blocked in Senate

Senate Republicans on Friday blocked a global warming bill that would have required major reductions in greenhouse gases, after a bitter debate over its economic costs and whether it would substantially raise gasoline and other energy prices.

Democratic leaders fell a dozen votes short of getting the 60 needed to end a Republican filibuster on the measure and bring the bill up for a vote. The 48-36 vote failed to reach even a majority, a disappointment to the bill's supporters.

Majority Leader Harry Reid was expected to pull the legislation, in all likelihood pushing the congressional debate over climate change to next year with a new Congress and a new president.

The bill would have capped carbon dioxide coming from power plants, refineries and factories, with a target of cutting greenhouse gas emissions by 71 percent by mid-century.

"It's a huge tax increase," argued Republican Senate leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, a prominent coal-producing state. He maintained that the proposed system of allowing widespread trading of carbon emissions allowances would produce "the largest restructuring of the American economy since the New Deal."

Supporters of the bill accused Republicans of muddying the water with misinformation.

"There is no tax increase," Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., one of the bill's chief sponsors said. She said the emissions trading system would provide tax relief to help people pay energy prices. And supporters disputed that it would substantially increase gasoline prices.

Four Democrats joined most Republicans in essentially killing the bill.

Both presidential candidates, Democrat Barack Obama and Republican John McCain, were absent, although supporters of the bill said they had sent letters advising they would have voted for the bill.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on June 06, 2008, 11:07:03 AM
This has only been temporarily dropped. The democrats were just giving a little show for the environmentalists and socialists that are pushing this bill and knew that President Bush would have vetoed it anyway. For these reasons they allowed it to be shelved for now with the intent of pushing it again after the presidential elections knowing that either person running for president will sign it through.

There are many hard days coming for the U.S.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on June 07, 2008, 06:38:13 AM
Hello Pastor Roger,

YES - I agree completely that there are hard times coming. In fact, they are already here. Many average people are having trouble just paying for necessities. As an example, food prices have sky-rocketed. Many are already having to make some hard choices about what kinds of food they can afford. At the same time - heating, cooling, and transportation costs are already insane. Transportation costs effects the price of all necessities.

On top of everything else, our politicians are working on the largest tax increases in history. The average folks and the poor will be the first ones to suffer. This is before thinking about the massive giveaway programs that are planned and many other things that will break the bank for average people. In the meantime, the rich folks will be lining their pockets. The coming results will be socialism, communism, and more rejection of GOD. The stage is being set for the End Days, so everything above is small in comparison to the other things that are MOST CERTAINLY ON THE WAY.

As for Christians, our portion will be GOD, HIS Love, HIS Grace, and HIS Care. That will be more than sufficient until HE takes us HOME.


Love In Christ,
Tom

Ephesians 1:18-23 NASB I pray that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened, so that you will know what is the hope of His calling, what are the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints, and what is the surpassing greatness of His power toward us who believe. These are in accordance with the working of the strength of His might which He brought about in Christ, when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places, far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come. And He put all things in subjection under His feet, and gave Him as head over all things to the church, which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on July 03, 2008, 12:14:02 PM
Huge Volcanoes May Be Erupting Under Arctic Ice

 New evidence deep beneath the Arctic ice suggests a series of underwater volcanoes have erupted in violent explosions in the past decade.

Hidden 2.5 miles (4,000 meters) beneath the Arctic surface, the volcanoes are up to a mile (2,000 meters) in diameter and a few hundred yards tall.

They formed along the Gakkel Ridge, a lengthy crack in the ocean crust where two rocky plates are spreading apart, pulling new melted rock to the surface.

Until now, scientists thought undersea volcanoes only dribbled lava from cracks in the seafloor. The extreme pressure from the overlying water makes it difficult for gas and magma to blast outward.

But the Gakkel Ridge, which is relatively unexplored and considered unique for its slow spreading rate, is just the place for surprises.

Robert Reeves-Sohn of the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution (WHOI) in Massachusetts and his colleagues discovered jagged, glassy fragments of rock scattered around the volcanoes, suggesting explosive eruptions occurred between 1999 and 2001.

They hypothesize that the slow spreading could allow excess gas to build up in pockets of magma beneath the oceanic crust. When the gas pressure gets high enough, it pops like a champagne bottle being uncorked.

With news this week that polar ice is melting dramatically, underwater Arctic pyrotechnics might seem like a logical smoking gun.

Scientists don't see any significant connection, however.

"We don't believe the volcanoes had much effect on the overlying ice," Reeves-Sohn told LiveScience, "but they seem to have had a major impact on the overlying water column."

The eruptions discharge large amounts of carbon dioxide, helium, trace metals and heat into the water over long distances, he said.

The research, detailed in the June 26 issue of the journal Nature, was funded by NASA, the National Science Foundation and WHOI.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on July 03, 2008, 12:15:36 PM
Of course such tremendous heat has nothing to do with melting ice and the CO2 being emitted has nothing to do with CO2 levels being higher because they aren't manmade.   ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)




Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on July 03, 2008, 03:23:15 PM
Of course such tremendous heat has nothing to do with melting ice and the CO2 being emitted has nothing to do with CO2 levels being higher because they aren't manmade.   ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)




 ;D   ;D   ;D   ;D

Al Gore would probably say that the volcanoes were caused by global warming. Bible Prophecy clearly tells us that there will be many natural disasters in the Tribulation Period. All other Bible Prophecy was fulfilled perfectly at GOD'S Appointed time, and REMAINING BIBLE PROPHECY will be no different. Let's make it blunt and simple:  man has NO CONTROL and WON'T HAVE ANY CONTROL! It's an insane VANITY OF MAN to think that mankind can control the forces of NATURE that GOD CREATED! Any number of natural disasters could unleash hundreds of times more destruction than any weapon ever devised by man. ONLY the CREATOR knows about the POWER locked up in HIS CREATION. THE ONLY REAL POWER A MAN OR WOMAN HAS IS AS A CHRISTIAN AND PRAYING TO ALMIGHTY GOD!

Love In Christ,
Tom



Christian Quotes 13 - There is no doubt that the possessive clinging
to things is one of the most harmful habits in life. Because it is so
natural, it is rarely recognized for the evil that it is. But it's
outworking is tragic. This ancient curse will not go out painlessly.
The tough old miser within us will not lie down and die obedient to
our command. He must be torn out of our hearts like a plant from the
soil: he must be extracted in blood and agony like a tooth from the
jaw. He must be expelled from our souls in violence as Christ expelled
the money changers from the temple. -- A.W. Tozer


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: HisDaughter on July 04, 2008, 08:37:26 PM

There are many hard days coming for the U.S.



Yep.


Title: Mysterious California Glaciers Keep Growing Despite Warming
Post by: Shammu on July 11, 2008, 06:56:33 PM
Mysterious California Glaciers Keep Growing Despite Warming

Wednesday, July 09, 2008

MOUNT SHASTA, Calif. —
Global warming is shrinking glaciers all over the world, but the seven tongues of ice creeping down Mount Shasta's flanks are a rare exception: They are the only known glaciers in the continental U.S. that are growing.

Reaching more than 14,000 feet above sea level, Mount Shasta is one of the state's tallest peaks, dominating the landscape of high plains and conifer forests in far Northern California.

Nearby Indian tribes referred to its glaciers as the footsteps made by the creator when he descended to Earth. Hikers flock to Shasta's peak every summer to scale them.

With glaciers retreating in the Sierra Nevada, the Rocky Mountains and elsewhere in the Cascades, Mount Shasta — the southernmost volcano in the Cascade range — is actually benefiting from changing weather patterns over the Pacific Ocean.

"When people look at glaciers around the world, the majority of them are shrinking," said Slawek Tulaczyk, an assistant professor of earth sciences at the University of California, Santa Cruz, who led a team studying Shasta's glaciers. "These glaciers seem to be benefiting from the warming ocean."

Climate change has cut the number of glaciers at Montana's Glacier National Park from 150 to 26 since 1850, and some scientists project there will be none left within a generation.

Lonnie Thompson, a glacier expert at Ohio State University, has projected the storied snows at Africa's Mount Kilimanjaro might disappear by 2015.

But for Shasta, about 270 miles north of San Francisco, scientists say a warming Pacific Ocean means more moist air.

On the mountain, precipitation falls as snow, adding to the glaciers enough to overcome a 1.8 degree Fahrenheit rise in temperature in the last century, scientists say.

"It's a bit of an anomaly that they are growing, but it's not to be unexpected," said Ed Josberger, a glaciologist at the U.S. Geological Survey in Tacoma, Wash.

By comparison, the glaciers in the Sierra Nevada, more than 500 miles south of Mount Shasta, are exposed to warmer summer temperatures and are retreating.

The Sierra's 498 ice formations — glaciers and ice fields — have shrunk by about half their size over the past 100 years, said Andrew Fountain, a geology professor at Portland State University. He inventoried glaciers in the continental U.S. as part of a federal initiative.

He said Shasta's seven glaciers are the only ones scientists have identified as getting larger.

Glaciologists say most glaciers in Alaska and Canada are retreating, too, but there are too many to study them all.

Although Mount Shasta's glaciers are growing, researchers say the 4.7 billion cubic feet of ice on its flanks could be gone by 2100.

For the glaciers to remain their current size, Shasta would have to receive 20 percent more snowfall for every 1.8-degree Fahrenheit increase in temperature, Tulaczyk said.

The Shasta glaciers have been advancing since the end of a drought in the early 20th century. The mountain's smallest glaciers — named Konwakiton, Watkins and Mud Creek — have more than doubled in length since 1950.

Hikers seeking to cross Shasta's glaciers — marked with crevasses as deep as 100 feet — say they are much larger than the boundaries drawn on geological maps.

"I noticed I was traveling down farther than the maps were showing it," said Eric White, a U.S. Forest Service ranger who has climbed Shasta for 23 years.

Four glaciers at Washington's Mount Rainier are staying about the same size. Those glaciers — shielded from the sun on the mountain's north and east sides — have received just enough snow to keep them from shrinking.

The added ice on Mount Shasta might be good for the state's water supplies. Hydrologists believe the glaciers feed springs and aquifers, though they say it's unclear precisely how the water travels underground.

Until recently, the same phenomenon that is benefiting Shasta's glaciers was feeding glacier growth in southern Norway and Sweden, the New Zealand Alps and northern Pakistan, according to the U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

In each area, scientists say, more snowfall temporarily offset warming temperatures in the 1990s and early 2000s. But rising temperatures since then have begun to shrink the ice.

Climate change is causing roughly 90 percent of the world's mountain glaciers to shrink, said Thompson, the Ohio State glacier expert.

"Best that we keep our eye on the big picture," Thompson said in an e-mail about Shasta's unique position. "The picture points unfortunately (to) massive loss of ice on land, which has huge implications for future sea level rise."

Global forecasts show temperatures warming from 2 degrees to 11.5 degrees Fahrenheit by the end of the century if no major efforts are undertaken to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.

At that rate, California's snowpack and its remaining glaciers are among the most vulnerable of its natural resources.

Even without global warming, another threat to Shasta's glaciers could come far more quickly: a volcanic eruption could melt them, creating mud flows that could bury the surrounding small communities.

Over the last 4,000 years, Shasta has erupted about every 250 to 300 years, and did so most recently about 200 years ago, said William Hirt, a geology instructor at the College of the Siskiyous.

Mysterious California Glaciers Keep Growing Despite Warming (http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,378144,00.html)


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on July 11, 2008, 07:17:30 PM
Does this have any impact on global warming alarmists? NO! Even the article you posted shows some that hint at it being caused by global warming.

Global warming causing California glacier to grow, scientists say

The glaciers on Mount Shasta in California are growing because of global warming, experts say.

"When people look at glaciers around the world, the majority of them are shrinking," said Slawek Tulaczyk, a University of California, Santa Cruz, professor who studied the glaciers.

But the seven glaciers on Shasta, part of the Cascade mountains in northern California, "seem to be benefiting from the warming ocean," he said.

As the ocean warms, more moisture evaporates. As moisture moves inland, it falls as snow — enough on Shasta to more than offset a 1 C temperature rise in the past century.

The three smallest of the Shasta glaciers are more than twice the length they were in 1950.

Other glaciers in Norway, Sweden, New Zealand and Pakistan were in the same position as Shasta, but are now shrinking because rising temperatures have more than offset the increased snowfall.

As many as 90 per cent of Earth's mountain glaciers are getting smaller, said Lonnie Thompson from Ohio State University.

A U.S. government inventory found that, with one exception, Shasta's glaciers are the only ones growing on the U.S. mainland, said Andrew Fountain, a professor at Portland State University, who worked on the assessment.

The exception is a small glacier that is shaded in the crater of Mount St. Helens, Wash. It's unlikely to continue to grow once it leaves the shade, scientists said.

Four glaciers on the shady north and east sides of Mount Rainier, Wash., are stable.

Yep, we have a lot more ice because the earth is warming.   ::) ::) ::) ::)




Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: HisDaughter on July 23, 2008, 03:37:25 AM
Do as Al says, not as Al does

On Thursday, former U. S. vice-president Al Gore delivered a major address calling on his country to abandon all fossil fuels within 10 years. By 2018, U. S. electricity and fuel should come entirely from "renewable energy and truly clean, carbon-free sources," he said. Tickets to the event encouraged attendees to "please use public transit, bicycling or other climate-friendly means" to reach the lecture hall.

So how did Mr. Gore and his retinue arrive? In two Lincoln Town Cars and a full-sized SUV that sat idling with the air conditioners blasting while the Gore party was inside.

It was 34 C in Washington. Al Gore can't be expected to get into an overheated vehicle after he's worked up a sweat telling others how to save the planet.

Remember, too, the Nobel prizewinning environmentalist lives in a Tennessee mansion that produces a carbon footprint 20 times that of the average American home. A sizeable chunk of his personal fortune comes from royalties on a zinc mine which had to be temporarily closed five years ago in part because the U. S. Environmental Protection Agency ruled it one of the worst-polluting mine sites in America. Illegal toxins were frequently discharged into nearby rivers.

Mr. Gore's Live Earth benefit concert last summer flew scores of rock bands to stages around the world in carbon-spewing private jets. To cover the emissions from his own frequent use of private jets, Mr. Gore set up a company that buys carbon offsets, so that in effect he is paying himself for his carbon indulgences, writing off the expense on one hand, while pocketing the proceeds on the other.

Apparently if the world is ever to reach the carbon-free future Mr. Gore dreams of, it will have to get there without Al's help.

But take heart, there is increasing evidence that man-made carbon dioxide may not be causing global warming. Indeed, there is increasing debate in the scientific community whether there is even any warming occurring at all. Mr. Gore might just be able to keep going from jet to limo to estate guilt-free (if not carbon-free) for as long as he wishes.

On Tuesday, the Associated Press reported that seven mountain glaciers in northern California were advancing. They joined glaciers in southern Norway, Sweden, the New Zealand Alps and the Hindu Kush mountains of Pakistan. Indeed, worldwide, there are nearly half as many glaciers advancing as retreating.

How did the AP explain this? Well, all the shrinking glaciers it mentioned in its story were melting due to global warming, while the growing ones were "benefitting from changing weather patterns." Glacier melt is proof of a climate crisis, while -- on the same planet, under the same global conditions -- glacier advance is chalked up as a mere natural phenomenon.

Facts that don't fit the global-warming dogma -- call them inconvenient truths -- are to be dismissed as unimportant. Only those that feed the environmental hysteria are proof of something ominous.

So I'm sure they're entirely inconsequential, but here, anyway, are some anecdotes that cast doubt on the notion that emissions from our SUVs and power plants are dangerously harming the climate.

Greenland isn't melting. And while Arctic sea ice may have thinned in the past three decades by about 3% per decade, according to the U. S. National Snow and Ice Date Center, Antarctic ice (which is about 20 times as voluminous as the Arctic kind) has grown by 1% per decade,

Also, after last summer's record melt in the Arctic, this summer's melt in Antarctica was the smallest on record. And NASA satellites have found that Arctic Sea ice coverage this year is more than one million square kilo-metres greater than last year's, greater than the average of the last three years and 10-20 centmetres thicker than in 2007. According to observations by the Danish Meteorological Institute, we "have to go back 15 years to find ice expansion so far south."

Snow coverage in North America this winter was greater than at any time in recorded history. China had its worst winter in a century, and the southern hemisphere its worst in the past 50 years.

And while global temperatures increased slightly in June, through the end of May, the nine-month decline in temperatures beginning in September was greater (0.8C) than all the warming of the 20th century (0.6C).

All of this may prove nothing (although if these signals pointed toward warming, you can bet they'd be billed as proof a coming climate catastrophe). But they should at least give Mr. Gore comfort that he need not sacrifice his high-carbon lifestyle just to prove he can walk the walk.

http://www.nationalpost.com/opinion/columnists/story.html?id=668476 
 


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on July 23, 2008, 04:50:28 AM
One must give credit when credit is so. Al Gore is a world-class con man who is carrying off one of the largest crimes in history with a world full of witnesses. Will he get away with it? We must consider that he has lots of help, and they will also enjoy lining their pockets WITH NO REMORSE AT ALL. The only way any of them will ever have any remorse is if they get caught and prosecuted. Otherwise, they are proving that CRIME DOES PAY EXTREMELY WELL. In fact, they are committing almost the PERFECT CRIME. Prosecution would be very difficult unless there was evidence of planned FRAUD and a conspiracy of others working together in that FRAUD. HOWEVER, THIS COULD BE DONE!, and many people would be happy to help in the cost of the investigation and prosecution. In fact, I think that many would be happy to borrow money to pay for such an endeavor. I know that I would.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on July 23, 2008, 10:23:40 PM
A Natural Cause of Greenhouse Gas
by Brian Thomas, M.S.*

Data collected through the 1980s and 1990s strongly suggested that the earth was warming.1 Some scientists believe the phenomenon is man-made (anthropogenic), primarily due to fossil fuel combustion that, we are told, emits greenhouse gases. Other researchers are convinced that the warming trend was caused naturally, perhaps by an increase in the sun's radiation.2 Resolution of these debates seems a long way off, but a new discovery may add weight to the idea that the earth and everything in and around it, including the atmosphere, was designed by God.

Oceanographer David Karl at the University of Hawai'i at Manoa has recently been examining a problem called the "methane enigma." There has been a mysteriously high concentration of methane in the ocean's surface waters, indicating that this gas was being produced in the sea. Methane is a more potent greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide, and fortunately maintains an atmospheric blanketing layer that supports life on earth. Many scientists fear that too much methane in the atmosphere, however, would cause too thick a blanket and that this could become potentially harmful to the planet.

The methane enigma has now been at least partially solved. According to Karl's research, bacteria are converting methylphosphonates into methane in the oceans.3 The methane diffuses from there into the atmosphere. We have long known that bacteria help to maintain a proper balance of carbon dioxide, nitrogen, and oxygen levels in the atmosphere. Bacteria are now known to play a vital role in maintaining methane levels as well. This makes sense within the creation science model--a loving God created a robust atmosphere, complete with bacterial systems that balance amounts of atmospheric gases in order to support life.

References

   1. Climate Change 2007: Synthesis Report. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. Accessed online July 10, 2008. Since 1998, earth's temperature has not been warming, and in January 2008 the temperature dramatically sank. See also "January 2008--4 sources say 'globally cooler' in the past 12 months" on the Watts Up With That? website, accessed July 10, 2008.
   2. Over 9,000 Americans with PhDs in science have signed the Global Warming Petition Project to voice their disagreement with the anthropogenic theory of the cause of global warming. Accessed online July 10, 2008.
   3. New Pathway For Methane Production In The Oceans Discovered. Science News. Posted on ScienceDaily.com on July 4, 2008, accessed July 10, 2008.

* Mr. Thomas is Science Writer.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on July 25, 2008, 06:23:05 PM
Anchorage on pace for chilliest summer
Alaska city could hit 65 degrees for fewest days on record

The coldest summer ever? You might be looking at it, weather folks say.

Right now the so-called summer of '08 is on pace to produce the fewest days ever recorded in which the temperature in Anchorage managed to reach 65 degrees.

That unhappy record was set in 1970, when we only made it to the 65-degree mark, which many Alaskans consider a nice temperature, 16 days out of 365.

This year, however -- with the summer more than half over -- there have been only seven 65-degree days so far. And that's with just a month of potential "balmy" days remaining and the forecast looking gloomy.

National Weather Service meteorologist Sam Albanese, a storm warning coordinator for Alaska, says the outlook is for Anchorage to remain cool and cloudy through the rest of July.

"There's no real warm feature moving in," Albanese said. "And that's just been the pattern we've been stuck in for a couple weeks now."

In the Matanuska Valley on Wednesday snow dusted the Chugach. On the Kenai Peninsula, rain was raising Six-Mile River to flood levels and rafting trips had to be canceled.

So if the cold and drizzle are going to continue anyway, why not shoot for a record? The mark is well within reach, Albanese said:

"It's probably going to go down as the summer with the least number of 65-degree days."

MEASURING THE MISERY

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In terms of "coldest summer ever," however, a better measure might be the number of days Anchorage fails to even reach 60.

There too, 2008 is a contender, having so far notched only 35 such days -- far below the summer-long average of 88.

Unless we get 10 more days of 60-degree or warmer temperatures, we're going to break the dismal 1971 record of only 46 such days, a possibility too awful to contemplate.

Still, according to a series of charts cobbled together Tuesday evening by a night-shift meteorologist in the weather service's Anchorage office, the current summer clearly has broken company with the record-setting warmth of recent years. Consider:

• 70-degree days. So far this summer there have been two. Usually there are 15. Last year there were 21. In 2004 there were 49.

• 75-degree days. So far this summer there've been zero. Usually there are four. It may be hard to remember, but last year there were 21. In 2004 there were 23.

So are all bets off on global warming? Hardly, scientists say. Climate change is a function of long-term trends, not single summers or individual hurricanes.

Last year the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change concluded that it's "unequivocal" the world is warming, considering how 11 of the warmest years on record have occurred in the past 13 years.

So what's going on in Alaska, which also posted a fairly frigid winter?

LA NINA

Federal meteorologists trace a lot of the cool weather to ocean temperatures in the South Pacific.

When the seas off the coast of Peru are 2 to 4 degrees cooler than normal, a La Nina weather pattern develops, which brings cooler-than- normal weather to Alaska.

For most of the past year, La Nina (the opposite of El Nino, in which warmer-than-normal ocean temperatures occur off Peru) has prevailed. But that's now beginning to change.

According to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration Web site, water temperatures in the eastern South Pacific began to warm this summer -- and the weather should eventually follow.

The current three-month outlook posted by the national Climate Prediction Center in Camp Springs, Md., calls for below-normal temperatures for the south coast of Alaska from August through October -- turning to above-normal temperatures from October through December.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: HisDaughter on July 25, 2008, 08:25:51 PM
That darn global warming again....


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: HisDaughter on July 27, 2008, 12:43:35 AM
David Evans | July 18, 2008
I DEVOTED six years to carbon accounting, building models for the Australian Greenhouse Office. I am the rocket scientist who wrote the carbon accounting model (FullCAM) that measures Australia's compliance with the Kyoto Protocol, in the land use change and forestry sector.

FullCAM models carbon flows in plants, mulch, debris, soils and agricultural products, using inputs such as climate data, plant physiology and satellite data. I've been following the global warming debate closely for years.

When I started that job in 1999 the evidence that carbon emissions caused global warming seemed pretty good: CO2 is a greenhouse gas, the old ice core data, no other suspects.

The evidence was not conclusive, but why wait until we were certain when it appeared we needed to act quickly? Soon government and the scientific community were working together and lots of science research jobs were created. We scientists had political support, the ear of government, big budgets, and we felt fairly important and useful (well, I did anyway). It was great. We were working to save the planet.

But since 1999 new evidence has seriously weakened the case that carbon emissions are the main cause of global warming, and by 2007 the evidence was pretty conclusive that carbon played only a minor role and was not the main cause of the recent global warming. As Lord Keynes famously said, "When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?"

There has not been a public debate about the causes of global warming and most of the public and our decision makers are not aware of the most basic salient facts:

1. The greenhouse signature is missing. We have been looking and measuring for years, and cannot find it.

Each possible cause of global warming has a different pattern of where in the planet the warming occurs first and the most. The signature of an increased greenhouse effect is a hot spot about 10km up in the atmosphere over the tropics. We have been measuring the atmosphere for decades using radiosondes: weather balloons with thermometers that radio back the temperature as the balloon ascends through the atmosphere. They show no hot spot. Whatsoever.

If there is no hot spot then an increased greenhouse effect is not the cause of global warming. So we know for sure that carbon emissions are not a significant cause of the global warming. If we had found the greenhouse signature then I would be an alarmist again.

When the signature was found to be missing in 2007 (after the latest IPCC report), alarmists objected that maybe the readings of the radiosonde thermometers might not be accurate and maybe the hot spot was there but had gone undetected. Yet hundreds of radiosondes have given the same answer, so statistically it is not possible that they missed the hot spot.

Recently the alarmists have suggested we ignore the radiosonde thermometers, but instead take the radiosonde wind measurements, apply a theory about wind shear, and run the results through their computers to estimate the temperatures. They then say that the results show that we cannot rule out the presence of a hot spot. If you believe that you'd believe anything.

2. There is no evidence to support the idea that carbon emissions cause significant global warming. None. There is plenty of evidence that global warming has occurred, and theory suggests that carbon emissions should raise temperatures (though by how much is hotly disputed) but there are no observations by anyone that implicate carbon emissions as a significant cause of the recent global warming.

3. The satellites that measure the world's temperature all say that the warming trend ended in 2001, and that the temperature has dropped about 0.6C in the past year (to the temperature of 1980). Land-based temperature readings are corrupted by the "urban heat island" effect: urban areas encroaching on thermometer stations warm the micro-climate around the thermometer, due to vegetation changes, concrete, cars, houses. Satellite data is the only temperature data we can trust, but it only goes back to 1979. NASA reports only land-based data, and reports a modest warming trend and recent cooling. The other three global temperature records use a mix of satellite and land measurements, or satellite only, and they all show no warming since 2001 and a recent cooling.

4. The new ice cores show that in the past six global warmings over the past half a million years, the temperature rises occurred on average 800 years before the accompanying rise in atmospheric carbon. Which says something important about which was cause and which was effect.

None of these points are controversial. The alarmist scientists agree with them, though they would dispute their relevance.

The last point was known and past dispute by 2003, yet Al Gore made his movie in 2005 and presented the ice cores as the sole reason for believing that carbon emissions cause global warming. In any other political context our cynical and experienced press corps would surely have called this dishonest and widely questioned the politician's assertion.

Until now the global warming debate has merely been an academic matter of little interest. Now that it matters, we should debate the causes of global warming.

So far that debate has just consisted of a simple sleight of hand: show evidence of global warming, and while the audience is stunned at the implications, simply assert that it is due to carbon emissions.

In the minds of the audience, the evidence that global warming has occurred becomes conflated with the alleged cause, and the audience hasn't noticed that the cause was merely asserted, not proved.

If there really was any evidence that carbon emissions caused global warming, don't you think we would have heard all about it ad nauseam by now?

The world has spent $50 billion on global warming since 1990, and we have not found any actual evidence that carbon emissions cause global warming. Evidence consists of observations made by someone at some time that supports the idea that carbon emissions cause global warming. Computer models and theoretical calculations are not evidence, they are just theory.

What is going to happen over the next decade as global temperatures continue not to rise? The Labor Government is about to deliberately wreck the economy in order to reduce carbon emissions. If the reasons later turn out to be bogus, the electorate is not going to re-elect a Labor government for a long time. When it comes to light that the carbon scare was known to be bogus in 2008, the ALP is going to be regarded as criminally negligent or ideologically stupid for not having seen through it. And if the Liberals support the general thrust of their actions, they will be seen likewise.

The onus should be on those who want to change things to provide evidence for why the changes are necessary. The Australian public is eventually going to have to be told the evidence anyway, so it might as well be told before wrecking the economy. 
 

I found this on craigslist which then led me on an internet search and I found the following....


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: HisDaughter on July 27, 2008, 12:44:36 AM
cont.....

GLOBAL WARMING CONSENSUS
Thursday, July 24, 2008 David ReinhardThe Oregonian

Maybe you've noticed this, too. The less sure people are of their views, the more inclined they are to name-call, yell and bully. I've noticed this when it comes to religion and politics and life in general, but I've had trouble getting used to it when it comes to science.

Science is supposed to be about irreducible facts, the discipline of the scientific method, repeatable experiments, rigorous analysis and solid conclusions rather than sound bites, insults, threats and public relations campaigns. But look at global warming and climate change.

The Weather Channel's top climatologist says broadcast meteorologists who voice skepticism about man-made climate change should be stripped of their certification. A renewable energy lobbyist writes an e-mail to a climate change skeptic saying he intends "to destroy your career." The National Aeronautics and Space Administration's James Hansen, a global warming guru, calls skeptics "court jesters," and Al Gore likens them to "flat-Earth" advocates. The bid to enforce a global warming consensus has added "climate-change deniers" to our lexicon. You know, like "Holocaust deniers."

Curious. Why all the loaded verbiage? Why the insistence on consensus in an arena that relies on challenging conventional wisdom? Why all the anger?

Why, indeed. This past week witnessed the great breakup not of the icebergs, but of the global warming consensus. What's existed beneath the surface, apparent to those who dug, exploded into public view.

"With this issue . . . we kick off a debate concerning one of the main conclusions of the [the United Nations] International Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) . . .," wrote Jeffrey Marque, editor of The American Physical Society's Physics & Society forum. "There is a considerable presence within the scientific community of people who do not agree with the IPCC conclusion that anthropogenic CO2 emissions are very probably likely to be primarily responsible for the global warming that has occurred since the Industrial Revolution."

Imagine, a debate because a considerable presence within the scientific community disputes that man-made (anthropogenic) emissions are primarily responsible for global warming. Either court jesters and flat-Earthers are making a comeback or the climate change consensus isn't what it's cracked up to be. I'll bet on the latter. Marque kicks off the debate with the publication of a paper by Britain's Christopher Monckton on the IPCC's errors and exaggerations in estimating the impact of greenhouse gas emissions on the rate of temperature change.

Elsewhere, a former climate change alarmist detailed what you might call his change of science. David Evans was a consultant to the "Australian Greenhouse Office" from 1999 to 2005. He helped craft the carbon accounting model measuring Australia's Kyoto Protocol compliance.

"When I started that job in 1999 the evidence that carbon emissions caused global warming seemed pretty good . . .," he wrote recently in The Australian. "The evidence was not conclusive, but why wait until we were certain when it appeared we needed to act quickly? . . . But since 1999 new evidence has seriously weakened the case that carbon emissions are the main cause of global warming, and by 2007 the evidence was pretty conclusive that carbon played only a minor role and was not the main cause of the recent global warming."

Evans notes a few telling facts: One, scientists have looked for hot spots in the atmosphere -- places where a possible cause of global warming occurs first and most -- and have found . . . none: "If there is no hot spot then an increased greenhouse effect is not the cause of global warming." Two, he points out what scientists have found: Ice-core samples showing the six global warmings over the past half-million years occurred an average of 800 years before any uptick in atmospheric carbon, satellite temperature readings showing the recent warming trend ended in 2001, and the temperature has fallen about 0.6 C in the past year -- to the 1980 level.

But isn't the sky falling or, at least, the Arctic ice melting? According to the latest data from the National Snow and Ice Data Center, "sea ice extent" on July 16 was 3.44 million square miles -- a half-million square miles more than what it was in July 2007.

The only thing that's heating up, it seems, is the debate about global warming, and a good thing, too.

Maybe it's time we all chill out.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on July 27, 2008, 01:41:21 AM
Yep, the global warming theory is the same as the evolution theory. They both are falling flat on their face with, not only no substantive scientific basis but in fact evidence that proves quite the opposite.

It has been proven that CO2 is a necessary element in the atmosphere and the more the better. Global warming alarmists have come up with a CO2 scrubber that will remove this necessary element. If they succeed in implementing this scrubber the only thing they will accomplish is to harm the environment, killing off more plants than they can hope to save and making the agriculture industry collapse starving millions of people. Of course this wouldn't be a first for environmentalists they have caused more problems than they have fixes and all in the name of "saving the planet".



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on July 27, 2008, 06:25:22 AM
THANKS FOR THE FASCINATING ARTICLES!

As Christians, our views of everything should be through the Bible. GOD said there would be seasons and times of harvest until HE changed the times. GOD will change the times in the Tribulation Period, so I have what I need to know.

Al Gore has proven NOTHING except that he would make a good used car salesman. There is no perspective of common sense - JUST MONEY! Example: Solar activity and changes of solar activity of the SUN are avoided topics by the global warming nuts. Why IS THIS TRUE? If one used common sense on warming or cooling, wouldn't you look for explanations from the SUN first? YES - common sense would dictate this! Scientists could have and should have done this first, but they didn't! They could even have avoided using the PRECIOUS AND HOLY NAME OF GOD, and their answers would have still involved some common sense!

Regardless, Christians already have the answers, and we don't need 50 billion dollars to study this problem. We wouldn't divert money away from starving people and those desperate for medical attention or other necessities of life. 50 billion dollars is a drop in the bucket compared to future plans by Al Gore and his international GANG of con men. These plans literally WILL cause many people to die, and these plans are CRIMINAL! We are STILL supposed to be feeding, clothing, sheltering, caring, and loving those who are without. Al Gore and people like him want to remove our ability to handle REAL NEEDS. GOD will handle the seasons and times for harvest, and we should handle our part. Al Gore and his cronies need to find a different con game, one that won't hurt and kill many millions of innocent people.


Love In Christ,
Tom



Christian Quotes 189 -
The choicest of the Gospel's crown jewels!
"My Father!" That is the choicest of the Gospel's
crown jewels!
 -- John MacDuff  1895


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on July 29, 2008, 12:20:58 PM
CFL's which have dubbed as Gorebulbs because of his push to inact legislation that replaced incandescent's with the CFL's are about to be replaced already by a much better lighting system. This is a good thing because the CFL's are actually a dangerous thing. They contain mercury and the inherint characteristic of the bulb to flicker causes problems for many people.

The LED light bulb has been out for some time now but it costs of $20 to $40 per bulb has put it out of reach of most consumers even though the long range savings were worth the initial cost. LED light bulbs have a life span of 100,000 hours (approx 10 to 15 yrs on avg) compared to the supposed 10,000 hours of CFL's (most of the CFL's I've had don't last that long). Some other benefits over the CFL:

Solid-State, Fast Turn On, No Power Surge
High Shock / Vibration Resistant Major Power Savings
Major Reduction in Heat Generation
Use Approx 1/6 Of CFL's In Energy
Better Lighting For Indoor Plants


Now for the good news just now breaking on LED bulbs:

Big LED Breakthrough at Purdue University Could Change the World

Better, Cheaper LEDs
The incandescent lightbulb that wastes 90% of the electricity as heat is dying, we all know that. But a new breakthrough in solid state lighting might also kill compact fluorescent lightbulbs (CFLs) faster than some expected. Scientists at Purdue University have figured out how to manufacture LED solid-state lights on regular metal-coated silicon wafers (more details below). What this means is: much lower costs.

10% Reduction in Total Electricity Use
And since about 1/3 of U.S. electricity is used to produce light, this is major. "If you replaced existing lighting with solid-state lighting, following some reasonable estimates for the penetration of that technology based on economics and other factors, it could reduce the amount of energy we consume for lighting by about one-third. That represents a 10 percent reduction of electricity consumption and a comparable reduction of related carbon emissions," said Timothy D. Sands, professor of Materials Engineering and Electrical and Computer Engineering states at Purdue.

Old LEDs vs. New LEDs
What makes traditional LEDs so expensive is that the light-emitting layer of an LED light is a gallium nitride crystal and it needs to be treated in various ways with expensive materials.

Dailytech:

    In sapphire based LEDs, used for green or blue lighting, mirror-like reflectors are need to reflect and resend emitted light, increasing the efficiency. Typically, this layer is extremely expensive to produce, part of the reason the current generation of LED lighting costs so much, costing at least 20 times more than conventional incandescent and fluorescent bulbs. Also, the LEDs are built on sapphire crystals, which provide the color, but are extremely expensive.

But the new LEDs can be made using standard silicon wafers and already existing, less expensive, processes. This would make them competitive with incandescent and CFLs.

    The new techniques yield a crystalline structure aligned to the crystalline silicon. This means that the LEDs are less prone to defects and will perform more efficiently [...] silicon dissipates heat more effectively than sapphires. This will reduce damage during operation and lead to longer lifetimes and more reliability..

We might soon have to get used to changing lightbulbs every other decade or so.

LEDs that are currently available convert electricity to light with an efficiency of 47 to 64%. It is predicted that LED produced with Purdue's process would have an efficiency in the high-end of that range, compared to about 10% for incandescent.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on July 29, 2008, 07:36:52 PM
There are also some dramatic things developing in solar photovoltic cells that probably use a like silicon substance. They are now able to make it in thin and flexible material strong enough and tough enough to use on roofs. The exciting thing is the reduction of costs. Older cells used to cost about $12 a watt, so the payback for electricity produced took a long time. It just wasn't something that average people could afford. The new cells are much more efficient and cost the consumer just over $1 a watt. Average people can afford this, and payback for the electricity produced would be quick enough to make this a wise investment. In fact, these new solar cells would be putting money back in the pockets of consumers pretty quickly. There are also new and highly efficient wind generators about to hit the market. They are small and shaped like a drum, so they are NOT the huge monstrosities we see in wind farms. A combination of wind and solar would take care of the electricity needs for most average people. Backup would be batteries AND the electric company. By the way, most states have laws that require the electric company to buy any excess electricity generated by consumers. However, Christians might not be here that much longer, so we might not get our investment back.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on July 29, 2008, 07:43:46 PM
Those solar cells combined with the LED's would really be a savings. It wouldn't take much to light up those LED's.

However, Christians might not be here that much longer, so we might not get our investment back.

That would still be a very big return on investment.  ;)



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on August 04, 2008, 02:16:19 PM
As if we didn’t know: SIDC issues “all quiet alert” for the sun

START OF ALL QUIET ALERT ………………….. The SIDC - RWC
Belgium expects quiet Space Weather conditions for the next 48 hours or until further notice. This implies that: * the solar X-ray output is expected to remain below C-class level, * the K_p index is expected to remain below 5, * the high-energy proton fluxes are expected to remain below the event threshold.

What does all of this scientific jargon mean? It means that the sun is not putting out very high magnetic waves that interfere with radio waves. It also means that the sun is not putting out a whole lot of high heat that is effecting the earth's temps. I realize that we are experiencing some high temps across the U.S. right now but even though it is "breaking" some supposed records the temperatures are not uncommonly high for this time of year. One of the "things" that are contributing to the higher recorded temperatures are the locations of the weather recorded stations. Weather recording stations are classified according to their location. The more variables such as blacktop, concrete and heat generating items such as jet engines or factories near the stations the higher the CRN number that it is given. CRN1 or CRN2 are the better stations considered more accurate. Most of the stations now found are rated at CRN5 or worse. CRN1/2 stations are almost non-existent.

This means that temps recorded are inaccurate and in most cases given at higher rates than the actual temperatures. The local weather recording station here is located at the biggest airport in central Illinois and is within the range that jet engine exhaust hits it. It is also located in the middle of a big blacktop pad and less than 2 foot above that pad. When the airport extended a few years back they didn't change the location of the weather station and it got surrounded by high heat generators. If you have you ever tried to walk barefoot on blacktop in the middle of a sunny summer day you know that blacktop is hotter than the surrounding area.

I have a CRN2 station in my yard. The "official" temperature for this area is usually given at 5 degrees or more higher than my station records it. Currently today the "official" temperature is 95 deg F. My station is recording 89F. A big difference when it comes to figuring averages. Before the airport extension my station was usually 1 or 2 degrees higher than the "official" temperature. The official station was rated CRN1 and hasn't had that rating changed since then even though it has changed. Therefore no anomaly adjustments are given for it.

A a former television meteorologist who spent 25 years on the air and who also operates a weather technology and content business, as well as continues daily forecasting on radio. Anthony has a web site also called "Watts Up With That?" A group of volunteers he has organized has surveyed approximately 600 stations in the mid-west out of about 1221 of the USHCN climate network stations ("official" stations). It has been found that the majority of the CRN1/2 rated stations are in fact not CRN1/2. In fact the number of CRN1/2 stations are being reduced daily.

Solar Cycle 24 did a jump start in Jan this year. It was originally expected to start in Mar 2007. The jump start in Jan lasted two days and then disappeared. The official call right now is that we are not in solar cycle 24. The activity of the sun has been extremely low since this time and it is unknown, of course, when that will change. This means abnormally low temperatures on earth in the coming months perhaps years as earth temps lag behind the change in the sun due to the amount of time it takes to reach earth.

We see the sun mentioned 11 times just in the book of Revelations alone. It will have a major part of things that will happen on earth during the end times. We have the promise of God though that, as His children, we will not suffer from the heat of the sun and God does not lie.



Title: Meltdown in the Arctic is speeding up
Post by: Shammu on August 12, 2008, 12:46:33 AM

Meltdown in the Arctic is speeding up
Scientists warn that the North Pole could be free of ice in just five years' time instead of 60

    * Robin McKie, science editor
    * The Observer,
    * Sunday August 10 2008
    * Article history

Ice at the North Pole melted at an unprecedented rate last week, with leading scientists warning that the Arctic could be ice-free in summer by 2013.

Satellite images show that ice caps started to disintegrate dramatically several days ago as storms over Alaska's Beaufort Sea began sucking streams of warm air into the Arctic.

As a result, scientists say that the disappearance of sea ice at the North Pole could exceed last year's record loss. More than a million square kilometres melted over the summer of 2007 as global warming tightened its grip on the Arctic. But such destruction could now be matched, or even topped, this year.

'It is a neck-and-neck race between 2007 and this year over the issue of ice loss,' said Mark Serreze, of the US National Snow and Ice Data Centre in Boulder, Colorado. 'We thought Arctic ice cover might recover after last year's unprecedented melting - and indeed the picture didn't look too bad last month. Cover was significantly below normal, but at least it was up on last year.

'But the Beaufort Sea storms triggered steep ice losses and it now looks as if it will be a very close call indeed whether 2007 or 2008 is the worst year on record for ice cover over the Arctic. We will only find out when the cover reaches its minimum in mid-September.'

This startling loss of Arctic sea ice has major meteorological, environmental and ecological implications. The region acts like a giant refrigerator that has a strong effect on the northern hemisphere's meteorology. Without its cooling influence, weather patterns will be badly disrupted, including storms set to sweep over Britain.

At the same time, creatures such as polar bears and seals - which use sea ice for hunting and resting - face major threats. Similarly, coastlines will no longer be insulated by ice from wave damage and will suffer erosion, as is already happening in Alaska.

Other environmental changes are likely to follow. Without sea ice to bolster them, land ice - including glaciers - could topple into the ocean and raise global sea levels, threatening many low-lying areas, including Bangladesh and scores of Pacific islands. In addition, the disappearance of reflective ice over the Arctic means that solar radiation would no longer be bounced back into space, thus heating the planet even further.

On top of these issues, there are fears that water released by the melting caps will disrupt the Gulf Stream, while an ice-free Arctic in summer offers new opportunities for oil and gas drilling there - and for political disputes over territorial rights.

What really unsettles scientists, however, is their inability to forecast precisely what is happening in the Arctic, the part of the world most vulnerable to the effects of global warming. 'When we did the first climate change computer models, we thought the Arctic's summer ice cover would last until around 2070,' said Professor Peter Wadhams of Cambridge University. 'It is now clear we did not understand how thin the ice cap had already become - for Arctic ice cover has since been disappearing at ever increasing rates. Every few years we have to revise our estimates downwards. Now the most detailed computer models suggest the Arctic's summer ice is going to last for only a few more years - and given what we have seen happen last week, I think they are probably correct.'

The most important of these computer studies of ice cover was carried out a few months ago by Professor Wieslaw Maslowski of the Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey, California. Using US navy supercomputers, his team produced a forecast which indicated that by 2013 there will be no ice in the Arctic - other than a few outcrops on islands near Greenland and Canada - between mid-July and mid-September.

'It does not really matter whether 2007 or 2008 is the worst year on record for Arctic ice,' Maslowski said. 'The crucial point is that ice is clearly not building up enough over winter to restore cover and that when you combine current estimates of ice thickness with the extent of the ice cap, you get a very clear indication that the Arctic is going to be ice-free in summer in five years. And when that happens, there will be consequences.'

This point was backed by Serreze. 'The trouble is that sea ice is now disappearing from the Arctic faster than our ability to develop new computer models and to understand what is happening there. We always knew it would be the first region on Earth to feel the impact of climate change, but not at anything like this speed. What is happening now indicates that global warming is occurring far earlier than any of us expected.'

Meltdown in the Arctic is speeding up (http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/aug/10/climatechange.arctic)


Title: Re: Meltdown in the Arctic is speeding up
Post by: Shammu on August 12, 2008, 12:50:00 AM

When are these global warming dummies going to learn?? Global warming is a hoax, thank you Al Gore. How much money have you made off this farce??

One thing the global warming dummies may not know. God has used the weather in the past, to get peoples attention.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on August 14, 2008, 09:56:51 AM
Chicago: Fewest 90-degree days since 1930
Summer heat continues in short supply over midsection of U.S.

August is the wettest and often the muggiest month of the year. Yet, summer heat continues in short supply, continuing a trend that has dominated much of the 21st Century's opening decade. There have been only 162 days 90 degrees or warmer at Midway Airport over the period from 2000 to 2008. That's by far the fewest 90-degree temperatures in the opening nine years of any decade on record here since 1930.

This summer's highest reading to date has been just 91 degrees. That's unusual. Since 1928, only one year—2000—has failed to record a higher warm-season temperature by Aug. 13.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Shammu on August 14, 2008, 02:39:35 PM
Brother, I think Phoenix, has had a cooler July, then in many previous years. In fact there was about 1 week, Phoenix never made it to 100 degrees.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on August 15, 2008, 02:18:06 PM
DOHERTY: NEW SCIENTIFIC DATA JUSTIFIES REPEALING GLOBAL WARMING RESPONSE ACT

URGES STATE TO HOLD OFF ON DAMAGING NEW REGULATIONS AS CLIMATE CHANGE THEORIES CLASH

Responding to various new scientific reports questioning the concept of global warming, Assemblyman Michael Doherty today called on Governor Corzine to hold off on proposing any new regulations associated with the state’s Global Warming Response Act and urged the Legislature to repeal that act when it returns to legislative business after Labor Day.

“There are many credible members of the scientific community who have questioned the theory of global warming, and now we have some scientists actually suggesting the earth’s temperatures may be entering a period of dramatic cooling,” said Doherty, R-Warren and Hunterdon. “With this growing level of scientific uncertainty, it makes no sense to enact a new set of economically damaging regulations prompted by the global warming hysteria of recent years.”

The Global Warming Response Act was signed last year by Corzine, which requires the state to reduce greenhouse gas emissions 20 percent by 2020 and 80 percent by 2050. The law required the state Department of Environmental Protection to release a report detailing how the state would meet the goals, with recommendations now expected to be issued this fall.

According to recent news reports, a top observatory that has been measuring sun spot activity predicts that global temperatures will drop by two degrees over the next 20 years as solar activity slows and the planet drastically cools down. They suggest this could potentially herald the onset of a new ice age. Following the end of the sun’s most active period in over 11,000 years, the last 10 years have displayed a clear cooling trend as temperatures post-1998 leveled out and are now decreasing.

Earlier this year, John Coleman, the founder of The Weather Channel, stated that manmade global warming is “the greatest scam in history,” adding, “I am amazed, appalled and highly offended by it. Global Warming; It is a scam.” Coleman said the theory of global warming is based on fraudulent science.

“New Jersey’s tax and regulatory climate is already chasing jobs from this state left and right and these new regulations will make matters worse,” Doherty said. “Rather than conforming our policies to questionable scientific theories, we should be looking at the concrete economic indicators that show our state’s economy is in trouble. And we should be taking steps to help people who are losing jobs and being forced out of their homes by this state’s anti-economic growth agenda – not making matters worse.”



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: HisDaughter on August 15, 2008, 10:12:05 PM
“There are many credible members of the scientific community who have questioned the theory of global warming, and now we have some scientists actually suggesting the earth’s temperatures may be entering a period of dramatic cooling,” said Doherty, R-Warren and Hunterdon. “With this growing level of scientific uncertainty, it makes no sense to enact a new set of economically damaging regulations prompted by the global warming hysteria of recent years.”


Earlier this year, John Coleman, the founder of The Weather Channel, stated that manmade global warming is “the greatest scam in history,” adding, “I am amazed, appalled and highly offended by it. Global Warming; It is a scam.” Coleman said the theory of global warming is based on fraudulent science.

“New Jersey’s tax and regulatory climate is already chasing jobs from this state left and right and these new regulations will make matters worse,” Doherty said. “Rather than conforming our policies to questionable scientific theories, we should be looking at the concrete economic indicators that show our state’s economy is in trouble. And we should be taking steps to help people who are losing jobs and being forced out of their homes by this state’s anti-economic growth agenda – not making matters worse.”



Thank you Mr. Doherty!


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on August 16, 2008, 01:46:17 AM
Quote
According to recent news reports, a top observatory that has been measuring sun spot activity predicts that global temperatures will drop by two degrees over the next 20 years as solar activity slows and the planet drastically cools down. They suggest this could potentially herald the onset of a new ice age. Following the end of the sun’s most active period in over 11,000 years, the last 10 years have displayed a clear cooling trend as temperatures post-1998 leveled out and are now decreasing.

WOW! - What a novel approach! Someone actually decided to look at increasing or decreasing activity on the SUN and what effect the SUN might have on temperatures on earth. TAKE THIS ONE TO THE BANK! THE SUN OBVIOUSLY IMPACTS TEMPERATURES ON THE EARTH IN A DIRECT AND DRAMATIC WAY!

Could all of this HOOPLA over global warming boil down to something so simple and nothing but common sense? YES! Is everything else a SCAM and CON GAME? YES! Does mankind have any control over increased or decreased SOLAR ACTIVITY ON THE SUN? MOST OBVIOUSLY NO! So, are folks like Al Gore LYING TO US? MOST OBVIOUSLY YES! So, why are they LYING TO US? FRAUD - TO TAKE OUR MONEY UNDER FALSE PRETENSES! Do you mean that Al Gore and folks like him are getting rich with THIS SCAM AND CON GAME? YES - THEY ARE GETTING STINKING RICH! Are average and poor people being hurt by this CRIMINAL CON GAME? YES - many will suffer and even DIE BECAUSE OF THIS CON GAME!

We need to file CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY CHARGES AGAINST AL GORE AND HIS GANG, and it should be prosecuted under the provisions of the RICCO ACT so that the fruits of the CRIME can be taken back! The RICCO ACT was passed to deal with ORGANIZED CRIME, AND AL GORE'S CON GAME IS ORGANIZED CRIME!


Title: Another frost advisory before Labor Day
Post by: Soldier4Christ on August 26, 2008, 03:30:26 PM
Another frost advisory before Labor Day

More anecdotal colder than normal weather keeps piling up. This time it’s in Southern Oregon and Northeastern California. Clearly we are having some far earlier than normal frosts and freezes in the USA, and the situation seems to be mirrored in colder than normal weather in parts of UK and Europe as well.

Note that this frost advisory has no connection to the weather pattern that caused frost and freeze in Minnesota and Wisconsin on the night of 24 Aug 2008, it is a different frontal system.

NORTHEAST SISKIYOU AND NORTHWEST MODOC COUNTIES-KLAMATH BASIN-
NORTHERN AND EASTERN KLAMATH COUNTY AND WESTERN LAKE COUNTY-
CENTRAL AND EASTERN LAKE COUNTY-
INCLUDING THE CITIES OF…TULELAKE…DORRIS…ALTAMONT…
KLAMATH FALLS…BEATTY…BLY…CHEMULT…CRESCENT…GILCHRIST…
SPRAGUE RIVER…LAKEVIEW
238 PM PDT MON AUG 25 2008

…FROST ADVISORY REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM 2 AM TO 9 AM PDT
   TUESDAY…

CLEARING SKIES BEHIND A COLD FRONT WILL ALLOW TEMPERATURES TO
DROP INTO THE 30S IN MANY AREAS EAST OF THE CASCADES TONIGHT. SOME
ISOLATED LOCATIONS WILL DROP BELOW FREEZING.

A FROST ADVISORY MEANS THAT FROST IS POSSIBLE. SENSITIVE OUTDOOR
PLANTS MAY BE KILLED IF LEFT UNCOVERED.

Fall colors are already in motion.Areas that don't see color change in tree's leaves until October are already seeing them. Some "experts" are claiming it is because of "drought" yet these areas have had normal to above normal amounts of rain. One of the areas reporting fall colors have begun is in New Hampshire where the tourist industry has suffered because of the cooler, wetter weather they have had in late July, early August. Pennsylvania is another area that is experiencing early fall colors and it is here that it is claimed to be due to drought yet the drought in the area was over as of Jan 2008. The remainder of 2008 has had normal to above amounts of rainfall. Plenty enough for the trees to have fully recovered from the drought conditions and so the drought would not be considered a cause of the early color change. The area has experienced cooler temperatures than normal for July and August.





Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on September 02, 2008, 12:29:53 AM
Sun makes history: 1st spotless month in century
Drop in solar activity has potential effect for climate on Earth

The sun has reached a milestone not seen for nearly 100 years: an entire month has passed without a single visible sunspot being noted.

The event is significant as many climatologists now believe solar magnetic activity – which determines the number of sunspots -- is an influencing factor for climate on earth.

According to data from Mount Wilson Observatory, UCLA, more than an entire month has passed without a spot. The last time such an event occurred was June of 1913. Sunspot data has been collected since 1749.

When the sun is active, it's not uncommon to see sunspot numbers of 100 or more in a single month.  Every 11 years, activity slows, and numbers briefly drop to near-zero.   Normally sunspots return very quickly, as a new cycle begins.

But this year -- which corresponds to the start of Solar Cycle 24 -- has been extraordinarily long and quiet, with the first seven months averaging a sunspot number of only 3. August followed with none at all. The astonishing rapid drop of the past year has defied predictions, and caught nearly all astronomers by surprise.

In 2005, a pair of astronomers from the National Solar Observatory (NSO) in Tucson attempted to publish a paper in the journal Science. The pair looked at minute spectroscopic and magnetic changes in the sun. By extrapolating forward, they reached the startling result that, within 10 years, sunspots would vanish entirely. At the time, the sun was very active. Most of their peers laughed at what they considered an unsubstantiated conclusion.

The journal ultimately rejected the paper as being too controversial.

The paper's lead author, William Livingston, tells DailyTech that, while the refusal may have been justified at the time, recent data fits his theory well. He says he will be "secretly pleased" if his predictions come to pass.

But will the rest of us? In the past 1000 years, three previous such events -- the Dalton, Maunder, and Spörer Minimums, have all led to rapid cooling. One was large enough to be called a "mini ice age". For a society dependent on agriculture, cold is more damaging than heat. The growing season shortens, yields drop, and the occurrence of crop-destroying frosts increases.

Meteorologist Anthony Watts, who runs a climate data auditing site, tells DailyTech the sunspot numbers are another indication the "sun's dynamo" is idling. According to Watts, the effect of sunspots on TSI (total solar irradiance) is negligible, but the reduction in the solar magnetosphere affects cloud formation here on Earth, which in turn modulates climate.

This theory was originally proposed by physicist Henrik Svensmark, who has published a number of scientific papers on the subject. Last year Svensmark's "SKY" experiment claimed to have proven that galactic cosmic rays -- which the sun's magnetic field partially shields the Earth from -- increase the formation of molecular clusters that promote cloud growth. Svensmark, who recently published a book on the theory, says the relationship is a larger factor in climate change than greenhouse gases.

Solar physicist Ilya Usoskin of the University of Oulu, Finland, tells DailyTech the correlation between cosmic rays and terrestrial cloud cover is more complex than "more rays equals more clouds". Usoskin, who notes the sun has been more active since 1940 than at any point in the past 11 centuries, says the effects are most important at certain latitudes and altitudes which control climate. He says the relationship needs more study before we can understand it fully.

Other researchers have proposed solar effects on other terrestrial processes besides cloud formation. The sunspot cycle has strong effects on irradiance in certain wavelengths such as the far ultraviolet, which affects ozone production. Natural production of isotopes such as C-14 is also tied to solar activity. The overall effects on climate are still poorly understood.

What is incontrovertible, though, is that ice ages have occurred before. And no scientist, even the most skeptical, is prepared to say it won't happen again.

Article Update, Sep 1 2008.  After this story was published, the NOAA reversed their previous decision on a tiny speck seen Aug 21, which gives their version of the August data a half-point.  Other observation centers such as Mount Wilson Observatory are still reporting a spotless month.  So depending on which center you believe, August was a record for either a full century, or only 50 years.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on September 02, 2008, 12:35:58 AM
To note the date mentioned here of 1913. From the period 1895 until just before 1930 there was extreme cold world wide with scientists warning of an impending ice age. In the 1930's is when there was a reversal of increased heat and sunspot activity that aided in the "Dust Bowl" experienced in the U.S.

For further information on cyclical heat cold patterns see The 2009 Old Farmer's Almanac.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on September 08, 2008, 12:57:39 AM
Global Warming alarmist Lewis Gordon Pugh attempts to kayak to the North Pole in order to prove that the Arctic area has opened up and is passable. He reached 81N and got stuck in the ice and the sea was frozen solid past that point. Not being able to go any further he had to give up his quest. 81N is the same place that the ice shelf reached in 1980 showing that the sea is not more open than it was then.

I love it when people think that they know more than God and then get proven wrong.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on September 08, 2008, 01:46:59 AM
Brothers and Sisters,

The Bible says that there will be global warming in the future, but it isn't listed as just warming. Everything will be burned completely up, and there will be a new heaven and earth.

What man needs to know is quite SIMPLE and already detailed in the HOLY BIBLE! The BIBLE has one overwhelming PRINCIPLE that man has so far REJECTED:  ALMIGHTY GOD THE CREATOR IS IN CHARGE! HE WILL BE ACKNOWLEDGED, PRAISED, AND WORSHIPED by those who LOVE HIM. Those who ignore, mock, reject, and disobey HIM will spend eternity being punished in the fires of HELL. NOW - let's go back to an overwhelming TRUTH - GOD is in CHARGE. GOD DISPENSES ALL! At the present, HE causes the rain to fall on the good and the evil. GOD does as HE pleases in Heaven and on earth.

GOD has told HIS Children that belong to CHRIST what eternity will be like. The descriptions are brief and wonderful beyond human imagination. GOD has told evil mankind what their eternity will be like - the horror of eternal punishment in fire! NOW - let's go back to the overwhelming TRUTH again - GOD is in CHARGE! GOD had and has every right to demand what will be done and prescribe punishment for those who refuse and reject HIM. The only unpardonable sin is rejection of JESUS CHRIST as LORD and SAVIOUR! ONE MUST ACCEPT THAT JESUS CHRIST IS VERY GOD! IT'S NOT SMART TO DENY, REJECT, MOCK, AND IGNORE THE CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE! GOD will be given all GLORY and HONOR - and that's the way things should have been since the beginning. HE WILL NOT BE DENIED THAT HE IS THE LORD OF LORDS, THE KING OF KINGS, THE GREAT I AM, THE CREATOR! Evil mankind will learn this lesson the hard way soon. Just a tiny bit of common sense from mankind should give more than a hint that the MASTER AND CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE WILL NOT BE DENIED! We are living in a day and age that appears to be near the end of GOD'S Patience with mankind. EVERY WORD OF PROPHECY AND EVERY PROMISE OF GOD WILL BE FULFILLED PERFECTLY!

Forget about fearing Al Gore and so-called global warming! What you really need to do is:  ACCEPT CHRIST AS LORD AND SAVIOUR AND LOVE GOD! GOD WILL TAKE CARE OF EVERYTHING ELSE! After all, GOD is the CREATOR and IN CHARGE! GOD HAS ALWAYS BEEN IN CHARGE!


Love In Christ,
Tom



Favorite Bible Quotes 377 - Psalms 118:24 This is the day which the
LORD hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: HisDaughter on September 08, 2008, 12:42:31 PM


I love it when people think that they know more than God and then get proven wrong.



Yep.  Gotta love it!
I was reading an editorial yesterday in the Seattle Times by a professor at Seattle Pacific U.  He was berating Palin for all kinds of things including her non action and non belief in Global Warming.
Sorry Prof.  That just makes me like her all the more!!


Title: Global Warming’s Kaput; 2008 Coolest in 5 Years
Post by: Shammu on September 10, 2008, 08:30:04 AM
Global Warming’s Kaput; 2008 Coolest in 5 Years
September 8, 2008 1:10 PM
Phil Brennan

The global warming theory is going into the freezer, some climate experts say.

The first half of this year was the coolest in at least five years, according to the World Meteorological Organization (WMO). And the global warming that has taken place during the past 30 years is over, says geologist Don J. Easterbrook, a professor emeritus at Western Washington University.

Easterbrook, who has written eight books and 150 journal publications, predicts that temperatures will cool between 2065 and 2100 and that global temperatures at the end of the century will be less than 1 degree cooler than now. This is in contrast to other theories saying that temperatures will warm by as much as 10 degrees by 2100.

In March, Easterbrook said he was putting his “reputation on the line” by predicting global cooling.

“The average of the four main temperature measuring methods is slightly cooler since 2002 [except for a brief el Nińo interruption] and record breaking cooling this winter. The argument that this is too short a time period to be meaningful would be valid were it not for the fact that this cooling exactly fits the pattern of timing of warm/cool cycles over the past 400 years,” Easterbrook wrote on March 1.

Added to his assertion was the WMO revelation that the first half of 2008 was the coolest for at least five years and that the rest of the year almost will certainly be cooler than recent years, although temperatures remain above the historical average.

The global mean temperature to the end of July was 0.28 degrees Celsius above the 1961-1990 average, Britain’s Met Office Hadley Centre for climate change research said Wednesday. That would make the first half of 2008 the coolest since 2000. Chillier weather this year is partly because of a global weather pattern called La Nina that follows a periodic warming effect called El Nino.

"We can expect with high probability this year will be cooler than the previous five years," said Omar Baddour, responsible for climate data and monitoring at the WMO. "Definitely the La Nina should have had an effect, how much we cannot say. Up to July 2008, this year has been cooler than the previous five years at least. It still looks like it's warmer than average."

Also snowing on the global warming enthusiasts is the highly respected “Farmer's Almanac,” which predicts that the coming winter will be “catastrophic” because of bitter cold weather.

People worried about the high cost of keeping warm this winter will draw little comfort from the prediction of below-average temperatures for most of the U.S., says the 192-year-old publication, famed for its accuracy of 80 percent to 85 percent.

"Numb's the word," the almanac’s 2009 edition says, adding that at least two-thirds of the country can expect colder-than-average temperatures, with only the far West and Southeast in line for near-normal readings.

"This is going to be catastrophic for millions of people," the almanac's editor, Peter Geiger, told The Associated Press, noting that the frigid forecast combined with high prices for heating fuel is sure to compound problems households will face in keeping warm.

The almanac predicts above-normal snowfall for the Great Lakes and Midwest, especially during January and February, and above-normal precipitation for the Southwest in December and for the Southeast in January and February, the almanac states. Also, the Northeast and the mid-Atlantic regions can expect an unusually wet or snowy February.

Ivy League geologist Robert Giegengack, a professor of Earth and environmental science at the University of Pennsylvania, told phillymag.com that the history over the last 1 billion years on the planet reveals "only about 5 percent of that time has been characterized by conditions on Earth that were so cold that the poles could support masses of permanent ice."

Giegengack also noted that, "for most of Earth's history, the globe has been warmer than it has been for the last 200 years. It has rarely been cooler."

Further ammunition for global warming skeptics came from south of the border, where a Mexican scientist warns that Earth will enter a “little ice age” for up to 80 years because of a decrease in solar activity.

Victor Manuel Velasco Herrera, a researcher at the Institute of Geophysics at Mexico’s National Autonomous University, predicts that the ice period will begin in about 10 years.

Predictions of a gradual increase in temperatures called global warming are erroneous, Velasco Herrera told a conference at the Centre for Applied Sciences and Technological Development regarding predictions of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).

The IPCC models and forecasts are wrong because they are based only on “mathematical models and presented results at scenarios that do not include, for example, solar activity," he said.

The phenomenon of climate change should include other kinds of factors, both internal, such as volcanoes and human activity, and external, such as solar activity, he said.

"In this century, glaciers are growing," as seen on the Perito Moreno mountain in the Andes; on Mount Logan, the highest mountain in Canada; and on Franz-Josef Glacier, New Zealand, Velasco Herrera said.

Satellite data indicate that a period of global cooling may have begun in 2005, he said.

Global Warming’s Kaput; 2008 Coolest in 5 Years (http://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/global_cooling/2008/09/08/128749.html)


Title: Re: Global Warming’s Kaput; 2008 Coolest in 5 Years
Post by: Shammu on September 10, 2008, 08:34:10 AM
Instead of regularly using "global warming" or "global cooling" the buzzword has been switching to "climate change". If the topic is anamorphic, they cannot be pinned down and can use the exact same data for a different argument ad nauseum, and the agenda rolls on.



Title: Re: Global Warming’s Kaput; 2008 Coolest in 5 Years
Post by: nChrist on September 10, 2008, 10:07:51 AM
Instead of regularly using "global warming" or "global cooling" the buzzword has been switching to "climate change". If the topic is anamorphic, they cannot be pinned down and can use the exact same data for a different argument ad nauseum, and the agenda rolls on.



 ;D   ;D   ;D

All that Al Gore and his ilk can do now is attempt to save face (if they have any face left).


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on September 12, 2008, 04:04:58 PM
Cleared: Jury decides that threat of global warming justifies breaking the law

The threat of global warming is so great that campaigners were justified in causing more than Ł35,000 worth of damage to a coal-fired power station, a jury decided yesterday. In a verdict that will have shocked ministers and energy companies the jury at Maidstone Crown Court cleared six Greenpeace activists of criminal damage.

Jurors accepted defence arguments that the six had a "lawful excuse" to damage property at Kingsnorth power station in Kent to prevent even greater damage caused by climate change. The defence of "lawful excuse" under the Criminal Damage Act 1971 allows damage to be caused to property to prevent even greater damage – such as breaking down the door of a burning house to tackle a fire.

The not-guilty verdict, delivered after two days and greeted with cheers in the courtroom, raises the stakes for the most pressing issue on Britain's green agenda and could encourage further direct action.

Kingsnorth was the centre for mass protests by climate camp activists last month. Last year, three protesters managed to paint Gordon Brown's name on the plant's chimney. Their handi-work cost Ł35,000 to remove.

The plan to build a successor to the power station is likely to be the first of a new generation of coal-fired plants. As coal produces more of the carbon emissions causing climate change than any other fuel, campaigners claim that a new station would be a disastrous setback in the battle against global warming, and send out a negative signal to the rest of the world about how serious Britain really is about tackling the climate threat.

But the proposals, from the energy giant E.ON, are firmly backed by the Business Secretary, John Hutton, and the Energy minister, Malcolm Wicks. Some members of the Cabinet are thought to be unhappy about them, including the Foreign Secretary, David Miliband, and the Environment Secretary, Hilary Benn. Mr Brown is likely to have the final say on the matter later this year.

During the eight-day trial, the world's leading climate scientist, Professor James Hansen of Nasa, who had flown from American to give evidence, appealed to the Prime Minister personally to "take a leadership role" in cancelling the plan and scrapping the idea of a coal-fired future for Britain. Last December he wrote to Mr Brown with a similar appeal. At the trial, he called for an moratorium on all coal-fired power stations, and his hour-long testimony about the gravity of the climate danger, which painted a bleak picture, was listened to intently by the jury of nine women and three men.

Professor Hansen, who first alerted the world to the global warming threat in June 1988 with testimony to a US senate committee in Washington, and who last year said the earth was in "imminent peril" from the warming atmosphere, asserted that emissions of CO2 from Kings-north would damage property through the effects of the climate change they would help to cause.

He was one of several leading public figures who gave evidence for the defence, including Zac Goldsmith, the Conservative parliamentary candidate for Richmond Park and director of the Ecologist magazine, who similarly told the jury that in his opinion, direct action could be justified in the minds of many people if it was intended to prevent larger crimes being committed.

The acquittal was the second time in a decade that the "lawful excuse" defence has been successfully used by Greenpeace activists. In 1999, 28 Greenpeace campaigners led Lord Melchett, who was director at the time, were cleared of criminal damage after trashing an experimental field of GM crops in Norfolk. In each case the damage was not disputed – the point at issue was the motive.

The defendants who scaled the 630ft chimney at Kingsnorth, near Hoo, last year were Huw Williams, 41, from Nottingham; Ben Stewart, 34, from Lyminge, Kent; Kevin Drake, 44, from Westbury, Wiltshire; Will Rose, 29, from London; and Emily Hall, 34, from New Zealand. Tim Hewke, 48, from Ulcombe, Kent, helped organise the protest.

The court heard how, dressed in orange boiler suits and white hard hats bearing the Greenpeace logo, the six-strong group arrived at the site at 6.30am on 8 October. Armed with bags containing abseiling gear, five of them scaled the chimney while Mr Hewke waited below to liaise between the climbers and police.

The climbers had planned to paint "Gordon, bin it" in huge letters on the side of the chimney, but although they succeeded in temporarily shutting the station, they only got as far as painting the word "Gordon" on the chimney before they descended, having been threatened with a High Court injunction. Removing the graffiti cost E.ON Ł35,000, the court heard.

During the trial the defendants said they had acted lawfully, owing to an honestly held belief that their attempt to stop emissions from Kingsnorth would prevent further damage to properties worldwide caused by global warming. Their aim, they said, was to rein back CO2 emissions and bring urgent pressure to bear on the Government and E.ON to changes policies. They insisted their action had caused the minimum amount of damage necessary to close the plant down and constituted a "proportionate response" to the increasing environmental threat.

Speaking outside court after being cleared yesterday, Mr Stewart said: "This is a huge blow for ministers and their plans for new coal-fired power stations. It wasn't only us in the dock, it was the coal-fired generation as well. After this verdict, the only people left in Britain who think new coal is a good idea are John Hutton and Malcolm Wicks. It's time the Prime Minister stepped in, showed some leadership and embraced the clean energy future for Britain."

He added: "This verdict marks a tipping point for the climate change movement. When a jury of normal people say it is legitimate for a direct action group to shut down a coal-fired power station because of the harm it does to our planet, then where does that leave Government energy policy? We have the clean technologies at hand to power our economy. It's time we turned to them instead of coal."

Ms Hall said: "The jury heard from the most distinguished climate scientist in the world. How could they ignore his warnings and reject his leading scientific arguments?"


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on September 12, 2008, 04:08:28 PM
Global warming stupidity running amok!

These jurists need to be given time. If not in prison then at least working to repair the damage done by these criminals. On second thought they need to be kept away from there as they would probably just do more damage anyway, but they should be made to pay for part of the damages done.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on September 15, 2008, 12:47:01 PM
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Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on September 15, 2008, 07:27:36 PM
Global warming stupidity running amok!

These jurists need to be given time. If not in prison then at least working to repair the damage done by these criminals. On second thought they need to be kept away from there as they would probably just do more damage anyway, but they should be made to pay for part of the damages done.



Brother,

I think this is just another sign of the wild and insane times we live in. If one thinks they've heard and seen just about everything, they just need to wait a couple of days.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on September 16, 2008, 12:30:14 PM
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Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Shammu on September 16, 2008, 12:42:06 PM
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SNICKER

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Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on September 17, 2008, 03:13:57 AM
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 ;D   ;D

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This shouldn't be much of a problem for Al Gore - since he claims to have INVENTED THE INTERNET! YES - global warming has been exposed as the biggest CON GAME in history - but Al's still making money with it. His cohorts in crime haven't given up yet in selling this either. People who don't BELIEVE AL'S CON GAME are viewed as less than intellectual in many circles. YES - it's used as a litmus test for intelligence. If you don't believe Al, you aren't very smart. In the meantime, Al and his co-conspirators are still making BIG MONEY! So, CRIME DOES PAY - at least in Al's case.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on September 17, 2008, 07:32:06 PM
Arctic Sea Ice Melt Season Officially Over; ice up over 9% from last year


We have news from the National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC). They say: The melt is over. And we’ve added 9.4% ice coverage from this time last year. Though it appears NSIDC is attempting to downplay this in their web page announcement today, one can safely say that despite irrational predictions seen earlier this year, we didn’t reach an “ice free north pole” nor a new record low for sea ice extent.

Here is what they have to say about it:

Quote
    The Arctic sea  ice cover appears to have reached its minimum extent for the year, the second-lowest extent recorded since the dawn of the satellite era.  While above the record minimum set on September 16, 2007, this year further reinforces the strong negative trend in summertime ice extent observed over the past thirty years. With the minimum behind us, we will continue to analyze ice conditions as we head into the crucial period of the ice growth season during the months to come.

    Despite overall cooler summer temperatures, the 2008 minimum extent is only 390,000 square kilometers (150,000 square miles), or 9.4%, more than the record-setting 2007 minimum. The 2008 minimum extent is 15.0% less than the next-lowest minimum extent set in 2005 and 33.1% less than the average minimum extent from 1979 to 2000.

The spatial pattern of the 2008 minimum extent was different than that of 2007. This year did not have the substantial ice loss in the central Arctic, north of the Chukchi and East Siberian Seas. However, 2008 showed greater loss in the Beaufort, Laptev, and Greenland Seas.

Unlike last year, this year saw the opening of the Northern Sea Route, the passage through the Arctic Ocean along the coast of Siberia. However, while the shallow Amundsen’s Northwest Passage opened in both years, the deeper Parry’s Channel of the Northwest Passage did not quite open in 2008.

A word of caution on calling the minimum

Determining with certainty when the minimum has occurred is difficult until the melt season has decisively ended. For example, in 2005, the time series began to level out in early September, prompting speculation that we had reached the minimum. However, the sea ice contracted later in the season, again reducing sea ice extent and causing a further drop in the absolute minimum.

We mention this now because the natural variability of the climate system has frequently been known to trick human efforts at forecasting the future. It is still possible that ice extent could fall again, slightly, because of either further melting or a contraction in the area of the pack due to the motion of the ice. However, we have now seen five days of gains in extent. Because of the variability of sea ice at this time of year, the National Snow and Ice Data Center determines the minimum using a five-day running mean value.

Ongoing analysis continues

We will continue to post analysis of sea ice conditions throughout the year, with frequency determined by sea ice conditions. Near-real-time images at upper right will continue to be updated every day.

In addition, NSIDC will issue a formal press release at the beginning of October with full analysis of the possible causes behind this year’s low ice conditions, particularly interesting aspects of the melt season, the set-up going into the important winter growth season ahead, and graphics comparing this year to the long-term record. At that time, we will also know what the monthly average September sea ice extent was in 2008—the measure scientists most often rely on for accurate analysis and comparison over the long-term.


Notice that they are basing all this global warming data on record-keeping that began in 1979. There is no records for ice sea extent prior to that. There are Captains logs of various ships that have shown that they were able to get closer than the failed kayak crew did this year and that was long before the man made CO2 of the industrial age.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on September 17, 2008, 09:42:57 PM
Many farmers worried about unusually cool weather

 Farmers from Michigan to California to Wisconsin to North Dakota to Kansas are concerned about the colder weather.

North Dakota farmers fear killing frost

The Agriculture Department says in its weekly crop report that the harvest made good progress until rain and cool temperatures hit the state late last week. The agency says corn farmers are worried about their crops reaching maturity before a killing frost

Weekend's heavy rain leaves farmers' fall crops to rot underwater - Michigan

 His harvest, which had promised to be a bumper crop, was just getting under way, starting about three weeks late because of the cool, wet weather earlier in the season.

Farmers in northern Wis. report light frost

State farmers are hoping for more heat and more time before a killing frost arrives this fall after some light frost was reported in northern Wisconsin early last week, according to the latest crop report issued Monday from the USDA National Agricultural Statistics Service.

Kansas: Brisk Late Summer Temperatures Draw Concerns For Early Freeze

Unusually cool weather through much of August and early September in the central High Plains is sparking concern that crops may not reach maturity before the first freeze.

"Most fields will probably reach maturity before the first freeze, but dry-down could be a problem," said Kansas State University agronomist Kraig Roozeboom, adding that the first freeze would be when temperatures across a region drop to a growth-halting 28 degrees F rather than when the mercury dips to 32 F in scattered areas.

Coldest string of five days in 70 years in California

Many California grape growers are reporting lower quantities due to frosting.

The drop in production is shared across California with many winemaking and vintner organizations reporting the same trend. Some state estimates indicate a 20 percent decrease from last year and one-third fewer grapes than in 2005.

"In San Benito County, we had the same problem as everywhere else in California - terrible weather during the flowering season," said Steve Pessagno, owner of Pessagno Winery.

He noted that from April to May, cold weather and overcast skies created perfect conditions for frost.

"My notebook reads, 'April 12 to 16, coldest string of five days in the last 70 years.'"

Josh Jensen, owner and winemaker at Calera Winery, had vineyards yielding as little as half a ton per acre where they usually produce around twelve times that in a good year.

"We are seeing a very small harvest because we were absolutely slammed disastrously by the frosts during April," he said.

__________

Southern Germany experienced what seemed like a very short wet and cool summer! The corn fields are looking pretty dismal and along with a bad grain harvest it is likely not going to be a bumper crop this season! There has been chilly daytime temps in the 40's, ground frost and the first significant snowfall in the Alps since early August!

It was 45 today in Munich. Forecasters say it should remain quite cool for at  least the long range extended. Last year on this date it was a balmy 68!! Looks like it will be a chilly start to Oktoberfest!!

For the first time in nearly 50 years mountain passes did not open at all this year because the massive snow from winter and spring failed to melt. Some reports say that some high Alpine villages were 'snowed in' for most of this summer.

__________

Cold wave breaks records in Hungary

A cold weather record set in 1925 went by the books on Monday, as temperatures in Hungary plummeted.

The coldest temperature on record as a daily maximum for September 15 was 10.5 degrees Celsius measured in the SW city of Zalaegerszeg 83 years ago. It fell by the wayside when the city of Sopron, in the NW, reported a high of 8.6 degrees, meteorologist Zoltan Fodor reported.

Budapest also set a cold record, with a high temperature of 11.5 degrees Celsius. That did in a record set on September 15, 1912, of 12.4 degrees.

Fodor promised more of the same on Tuesday, with temperatures rising slightly afterwards, to peak at about 18 degrees Celsius on the weekend.

____________

Coldest in 14 years in southeastern Australia

Last night one of the coldest spots was Cooma, where it dipped to minus nine degrees at the airport, 11 below average and its lowest September temperature in 14 years. Canberra chilled to minus 3.7 degrees, seven below average and a six year low for September.

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Coldest September day in 33 years in Sydney

Sydney, Australia, struggled to just 13 degrees today, making it the coldest September day since 1975. Some suburbs did not even reach 13, including Terry Hills, which remained below 12 degrees all day. The cold comes only 2 weeks after the city recorded its coldest maximum in 12 years, when it reached just 12 degrees on August 22.

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Has Autumn come early to Britain?

On the rolling moors of Scotland and Yorkshire, dramatic blooms of heather have come out far earlier than normal while wild berries,  normally the harbingers of autumn, have appeared nearly two weeks ahead of schedule.

Fungi has also enjoyed a bumper year and has been spotted sprouting on lawns and meadows in huge numbers for this time of the season.

The early berry season has worried some wildlife experts who fear that the crops, which provide vital food for animals and birds in the lead up to the cold winter months, may disappear too early.

In England the maximum temperature this August has been more than a degree cooler than the average reading of 19.6C.

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Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on September 17, 2008, 09:57:24 PM
All these extra cold temperatures worldwide and yet the NOAA claims: Global Summer Temperature Was Ninth Warmest.

This just doesn’t seem to add up given what we’ve seen from anecdotal weather information and satellite data. For example the UAH global temperature for the lower troposphere shows that the temperature in 2008 doesn’t get anywhere close to this claim made by NOAA:

The combined global land and ocean surface temperature for summer 2008 was 0.85 degrees F (0.47 degrees C) above the 20th century mean of 60.1 degrees F (15.6 degrees C).

Why this disparity?

A recent survey of the USHCN network, the network that is used to gather mean temps worldwide, shows us the answer to this question. Remote weather sites that are used to collect this data have been corrupted. Stations that once were in the open and positioned on grassy areas are now on blacktop or cement and buildings have moved in close with heat generating devices such as A/C units, heat pumps, factories, jet engine blasts, and trees or bushes closing in on them. In other instances the station has been moved as much as a quarter mile from it's original station and one of these were placed on a flat black tar roof with an a/c unit on one side and a heat vent on the other side of it. Yet the records for these moved units is not noted and the records continue uninterrupted as if they were the same station.

Many of these stations were found to have a discrepancy of as much as 37 deg F from the actual temperatures of the area.

NO WONDER NOAA RECORDS INDICATE THAT GLOBAL WARMING IS STILL OCCURRING! THE GREAT SCIENTIFIC PROCEDURES THAT LINE UP WITH GOREBAL WARMING!




Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on September 18, 2008, 01:46:15 PM
 ;D   ;D   ;D    ROFL!

I would recognize it to be a scientific fact that AL GOREBAL is full of hot air, so it would stand to reason that the temperature WOULD go up in his immediate vicinity - wherever he goes. I also understand that he's directly responsible for emissions that should be tested. If any GOREBAL WARMING does exist, I think he should be deported and take his emissions and warming elsewhere!


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on September 22, 2008, 12:03:48 PM
Of all the things that cause anthropogenic global warming, this has to be one of the funniest:

Global warming and cleaner skies are making it rain more

After analyzing global measurements of solar radiation and rainfall taken between 1986 and 2000, scientists at the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology in Zurich, have determined that global warming and cleaner skies are making it rain more.

According to a report in New Scientist, on an average, surface solar radiation has increased by 0.21 watts per square meter per year over land, and rainfall has increased by 3.5 millimeters per year.

In recent decades, air pollution has dropped, so more sunlight is penetrating the atmosphere, said Martin Wild of the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology.

Meanwhile, rising levels of greenhouse gases are bouncing radiation back to Earths surface.
The extra energy has fuelled an increase in evaporation.

This intensification of the water cycle means more heavy precipitation events, more flooding, and more landslides, erosion and overloading of water management systems, said Wild.

The analysis only covers land areas, so it isnt clear whether the extra rain is coming from increased evaporation over land or oceans.

According to Wild, the effects have not been distributed evenly.

Local factors, such as winds that carry rain elsewhere, mean some places have become drier, such as the south-west US and southern Asia. (ANI)

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More radiation, more rain? The logic? None. More rain clouds means less radiation reaching the earth! It has the same effect as smog banks but on a wider range than smog has ever had. Have you ever noticed that everything causes AGW? Now when we do good, it is bad.

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Who will benefit from cap and trade carbon schemes?

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Remember the derivative trading that led to the downfall of Enron? Global warming and “cap and trade” are brought to you by the same people who brought you Oil for Food, Enron and Fannie Mae.

Lastly, all is not well in polar bear land. The expanding sea ice has been causing other problems. Polar bears seem to be thriving with the extra ice, and juvenile polar bears have been turning away from Coca Cola and have been stealing alcohol from shops in places like Cape Churchill in Canada and having wild drunken parties on icebergs.

The Arctic sea ice expansion may also threaten funding for global warming research, though some scientists hope to double down by studying global cooling. “Cooling would be a real catastrophe,” said global warming advocate Walt Meier. “It might get too cold for the poor bears and plus my wife really likes warm weather.”

(The last two paragraphs are from a spoof article that I modified and are not real statements made by anyone. The others are actual stories and true statements.)



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on September 24, 2008, 10:39:57 PM
Solar Winds Cooling Warmist Doomsaying

Global warming alarmists face yet another challenge to their predictions of an inferno of doom. The solar wind is losing power, and is at a fifty year low, according to NASA.

The Ulysses solar probe reports a 13% drop in temperature, a 20% drop in density, and a 30% drop-off in the sun’s magnetic field, marking this as the weakest period of solar wind on record (records go back to the 1960’s). 

What does this mean? The Heliosphere is thinning, and thus will block fewer cosmic rays.  Heinrick Svensmark theorizes that an increase in cosmic rays reaching the Earth will drive cloud formation, increase the planet’s albedo (reflectivity), thus cooling it.

Is this the cause of the Earth’s unusually cool year?  According to Anthony Watts, the Earth’s albedo reached a nadir in 1997, and has risen sharply since. Is this related to the weakening of solar activity? We`ve seen few sunspots in Solar Cycle 24, the solar conveyor belt has slowed to a crawl, and now the solar wind is bottoming out.

This will allow us to see if we are really in the throes of Anthropogenic Global Warming; if temperatures rise (and they haven’t since 1998) then factors other than solar activity are driving climate trends, if not then the greenhouse gas theory is falsified.

If a cooling trend continues, the climate alarmists will have to throw in the towel.  Never fear; they’ll come up with a new cause to keep their adrenaline flowing! Probably ocean acidification, or the loss of bees.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on September 24, 2008, 10:43:08 PM
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an increase in cosmic rays reaching the Earth will drive cloud formation

There's the cause of the problems in Congress and with the economy ... They all have their heads in the clouds and it's all due to global warming!



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on September 24, 2008, 11:06:12 PM
Rubber Duckie

Rubber Duckie, you’re the one,
You make bathtime lots of fun,
Rubber Duckie, I’m awfully fond of you;

Woo woo be doo

NASA uses rubber ducks to fight global warming



    Rubber ducks are the latest weapons in the fight against global warming, according to NASA.

    NASA scientists have dropped 90 of the ducks into holes in the Jakobshavn glacier - Greenland’s fastest moving glacier - in a bid to understand why glaciers speed up in the summer in their march to the sea.

    The toys have been labelled [sic] “science experiment” and “reward” in three languages, and carry an email address.

    The ducks, if found by someone who emails NASA about their discovery, could tell scientists how melting water moves through ice, Alberto Behar of NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory in California, said.

    “It’s a beautiful place to visit. You can watch these icebergs continuously march across and fall into the ocean,” Mr Behar said.

    “Right now it’s not understood what causes the glaciers themselves to surge in the summer.”

    That’s where the rubber ducks come in, along with a probe about the size of a football loaded with a GPS transmitter and instruments that can tell much about the glacier’s innards.

    Mr Behar said he hoped a fisherman or hunter might find a duck or the probe but so far nothing had turned up.

Perhaps the reason glaciers “speed up in the summer” is because it is warmer in the summer and ice melts faster when it is warmer and water under ice helps reduce friction, thereby improving speed?

Just guessing.

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After reading this I was at a loss for a fitting comment but somehow the words "white jackets" kept coming to mind.

Dr Moe, Dr Larry, Dr curly .....




Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on September 25, 2008, 12:25:30 AM
Rubber Duckie

Rubber Duckie, you’re the one,
You make bathtime lots of fun,
Rubber Duckie, I’m awfully fond of you;

Woo woo be doo

NASA uses rubber ducks to fight global warming



    Rubber ducks are the latest weapons in the fight against global warming, according to NASA.

    NASA scientists have dropped 90 of the ducks into holes in the Jakobshavn glacier - Greenland’s fastest moving glacier - in a bid to understand why glaciers speed up in the summer in their march to the sea.

    The toys have been labelled [sic] “science experiment” and “reward” in three languages, and carry an email address.

    The ducks, if found by someone who emails NASA about their discovery, could tell scientists how melting water moves through ice, Alberto Behar of NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory in California, said.

    “It’s a beautiful place to visit. You can watch these icebergs continuously march across and fall into the ocean,” Mr Behar said.

    “Right now it’s not understood what causes the glaciers themselves to surge in the summer.”

    That’s where the rubber ducks come in, along with a probe about the size of a football loaded with a GPS transmitter and instruments that can tell much about the glacier’s innards.

    Mr Behar said he hoped a fisherman or hunter might find a duck or the probe but so far nothing had turned up.

Perhaps the reason glaciers “speed up in the summer” is because it is warmer in the summer and ice melts faster when it is warmer and water under ice helps reduce friction, thereby improving speed?

Just guessing.

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After reading this I was at a loss for a fitting comment but somehow the words "white jackets" kept coming to mind.

Dr Moe, Dr Larry, Dr curly .....




 ;D   ;D   ;D    ROFL!

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The THREE STOOGES HOSPITAL FOR THE INSANE is full, and Dr. Moe, Dr. Larry, and Dr. Curly aren't taking any new patients. I do want to bluntly state that things aren't fair - it isn't first-come - first-served. Politicians, lawyers, and financial analysts are automatically considered to be emergency cases and are served first. I understand that many CLIMATOLOGISTS were considering a class action suit for discrimination until they considered the unquestioned LOGIC of STOOGES HOSPITAL admission policies.

It's a good thing that the U.N. is in session and ImANutJob is here. He saw the crisis and is immediately opening an Iranian Sharia SHRINK Hospital. Seeing the WISDOM in this, all of the POLITICIANS have been immediately transferred to the new facility. Funds have been made available to give each politician their own RUBBER DUCK for bathtub play-time. By the way, I understand that the electric shock and rubber hose units are swamped. ImANutJob has advertised for volunteers to more properly staff these essential services. The last NEWS indicated that volunteers are lined up for blocks, so this need has been fulfilled.


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Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on September 25, 2008, 12:32:38 AM
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Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: HisDaughter on September 29, 2008, 12:43:46 PM
Perhaps the reason glaciers “speed up in the summer” is because it is warmer in the summer and ice melts faster when it is warmer and water under ice helps reduce friction, thereby improving speed?

Just guessing.

____________

After reading this I was at a loss for a fitting comment but somehow the words "white jackets" kept coming to mind.

Dr Moe, Dr Larry, Dr curly .....


(http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x125/luvmarley_bucket/cid_006701c66bbe0d2562b00900a8c0Dis.gif)  Somehow I missed this little gem!  Morons.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: HisDaughter on September 29, 2008, 12:47:04 PM
Maybe this is here already?  I got this from my brother this morning in an email so I'm just copy and pasting it.  You can read more about it and about her on snopes.com: Irena Sendler

Irena Sendler
Claim: Irena Sendler, a candidate for the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize, is credited with
saving 2,500 Polish Jews from the Holocaust.
Status: True.
Example: [Collected via e-mail, June 2008]
Origins: On 12 May 2008, Irena Sendlerowa (commonly known as Irena Sendler) passed
away of pneumonia at the age of 98 in Warsaw, Poland. Irena has often been referred to
as "the female Oskar Schindler" for her daring and ingenuity in saving the lives of more
than 2,500 Jews (most of them children) in German-occupied Poland during
There recently was a death of a 98 year old lady named Irena.
During WWII, Iliana, got permission to work in the Warsaw Ghetto, as a
Plumbing/Sewer specialist.
She had an ulterior motive...
She KNEW what the Nazi's plans were for the Jews, (being German).
Iliana smuggled infants out in the bottom of her tool box she carried, and she
carried in the back of her truck a Burlap sack, (for larger kids).
She also had a dog in the back, that she trained to bark when the Nazi soldiers let
her in, and out of the ghetto.
The soldiers of course wanted nothing to do with the dog, and the barking covered
the kids/infants noises.
During her time and course of doing this, she managed to smuggle out and save
2500 kids/infants.
She was caught, and the Nazi's broke both her legs, and arms, and beat her
severely.
Iliana kept a record of the names of all the kids she smuggled out, and kept them in
a glass jar, buried under a tree in her back yard.
After the war, she tried to locate any parents that may have survived it, and
reunited the family.
Most of course had been gassed.
Those kids she helped got placed into foster family homes, or adopted.
Last year Iliana was up for the Nobel Peace Prize....
She LOST.
Al Gore won, for a slide show on Global Warming.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on September 29, 2008, 12:55:13 PM
This just goes to show how far society has degraded. Lies and thieves are more important than true heroes.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on October 03, 2008, 04:56:29 PM
Here’s the problem with the sun


Newly discovered evidence that polar bears, CO2, climate change, and the sun are intimately connected in ways never envisioned.









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Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on October 03, 2008, 05:23:27 PM
NBC film crew stranded in Arctic on icebreaker 3 weeks

It never ceases to amaze me how people think when it comes to the Arctic. Somehow there is this pervasive belief that “if we just go there and document it, we’ll be able to demonstrate how climate change is affecting the arctic”.  This is the second team with such dubious aspirations this year, the first being failed kayaker Lewis Gordon Pugh who spun his dismal and embarrassing failure into an “accomplishment”, and then would not even take valid questions about his false claim of being the person who “kayaked furthest north”.

I have no sympathy for these people. Nature is teaching them hard lessons, let us hope they retain the material.

STUCK IN THE ARCTIC FOR THREE WEEKS…AND COUNTING

So, here we are. In the Arctic. Day 23. Good times!

Producer Paul Manson and I, along with cameraman Callan Griffiths and soundman Ben Adam, were sent here on assignment to report on climate change and the Arctic for an upcoming broadcast. The primary news peg — and one reason for our visit — is that for only the second time in recorded history (The record only goes back to 1979.) the Northwest Passage is ice free, effectively clearing this shortcut between Europe and Asia.

Our intention was to stay on board for 10 days, shooting video and interviews.  Mother Nature, apparently, had other plans. Inclement weather, along with an emergency search and rescue mission, has spoiled all five of our attempts to leave the ship.  Getting stuck in the Arctic is not uncommon; getting stuck five times is like punishment.

Joining the team
We left NYC Sept. 3, joining up with a team of scientists from ArcticNet on board the Canadian Coast Guard icebreaker, Amundsen. (In Canada, the Coast Guard is civilian, not military. It is part of the country’s Department of Oceans and Fisheries.) This particular Coast Guard ship has been dedicated to scientific research and outfitted with all the necessary tools. In a unique partnership, the scientists work side-by-side with the Coast Guard crew. For example, the scientists are testing water samples and sediment samples (from the ocean floor) as well as mapping uncharted territories in this remote part of the world. There are 40 scientists, 40 Coast Guard members and the four of us. By now we’re part of the team, learning to help on deck, in the lab and at dinner.

We boarded the Amundsen Thursday, Sept. 4, in Resolute Bay, a small Inuit village, along the Northwest Passage. The plan was to fly off by helicopter at the northern most civilian community in North America, Grise Fjord, and then begin our long journey home. Freezing rain and harsh weather kept our chopper grounded both Monday and Tuesday. The ship kept going and our chance to get off passed. We continued North with the expedition along the coasts of the Canadian Arctic and Greenland, coming within 900 miles of the North Pole.

Over the next couple weeks, we would make three more attempts to fly to land. Each one failed due to weather. Unbelievably, on Thursday our absolute best chance to get off the ship failed, too. The ship was diverted back north to assist a search and rescue mission, something the crew says has only happened once or twice in the last couple years.  From the beginning, we were warned that the ships primary mission was science. The cost of operating this icebreaker and moving the expedition forward is $50,000 a day. While we’ve been welcomed guests on board, we knew the ship wouldn’t be stopping for us.

Close quarters
Paul and I have been sharing what would normally be the infirmary on this overloaded ship. To our eye, it’s roughly, 10 by 12 feet. A thin curtain is the only thing separating us — and our dignity. Callan and Ben share a bunk bed in a slighter larger room downstairs.

In our 23 days on the ship we have covered more than 2,500 miles. The ship rocks incessantly and a sonar machine used for ocean floor mapping ticks loudly all day and night. It’s akin to being audibly poked day in and day out. (Callan has lovingly promised to buy each of us a metronome when we get home so that will be able to sleep as comfortably in NYC.)

Since we were done shooting two weeks ago, we’ve been left with a lot of time to fill. Meals have become a priority. It’s often the only way we can keep track of what time and day it is. Thursday is a favorite — breakfast crepes. Speaking of crepes, we’ll remind you this is a French-Canadian ship, and so we’ve been more than well fed. In fact, we’re convinced Fabien, the ships pastry chef — yes, I said pastry chef — is trying to kill us slowly with desserts.

Meals are always heavy and large. (Now, so are some of us.) But fear not, there is a fitness club on board. Let us describe it for you: it’s half the size of our bedroom (read: infirmary), and consists of a treadmill, two bikes and a bench that’s hidden beneath a four-foot ceiling. (Running on a treadmill when the ship is rocking could easily pass as its own Olympic sport.) Not to worry, we’ve now collectively run or biked the length of Greenland six times over. The other hours have been spent staring at the ocean, staring in the abyss and staring at each other — followed by routine games of Scrabble, “what’s for dinner?” and “if you could be any kind of animal, what would you be?”

A once-in-a-lifetime experience
Let’s be clear, although we’ve been mentally ready to leave for a long time now, we have seen and done some extraordinary things, including meeting some inspiring scientists whose dedication to their field reminds us daily why we’re here. We’ve seen polar bears, beluga whales and icebergs the size of floating hotels. Each sighting reminds us how far away we are from home. In addition, we’ve seen sea creatures from far below the ocean’s surface that would rival the characters at the Star Wars bar.

The scenery is both breathtaking and intimidating. We’ve been awed by sights that most people will never see and appreciate that this is a once-in-a-lifetime experience. (Hopefully.)


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on October 03, 2008, 05:24:43 PM
Personally I think it's hilarious!



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on October 06, 2008, 11:35:06 PM
Here I go again…

Reflections through Pontifications
Stop Anthropogenic Solar Cooling Now!

As most scientists know, the Earth emits as much radio energy as a small star and with the advent of WiFi, Bluetooth and the iPhone, we as a society are continually emitting ever increasing amounts of electromagnetic (EM) transmissions.  These EM emissions are interacting with the solar wind, forcing it back upon itself and therefore interfering with the Sun’s ability to generate sunspots.  This is predicted by peer-reviewed models showing ever lower solar cycles in the future and is proven by the delayed start of cycle 24.

There is a scientific consensus that humanity is emitting ever larger amounts of EM radiation.  It is this radiation that is the cause of Anthropogenic Solar Cooling (ASC) - a major threat to not only the Earth, but life on Mars and Venus as well.  The science is settled as almost every solar specialist with whom I have spoken on this issue agrees with the ASC hypothesis (there is one exception to the consensus, a Leif Somebody, but we ASCer’s write him off as a skeptic, a crank and a neer’do’well).

It is only a matter of time before the Mainstream Media realizes the scope of the approaching catastrophe and headlines ASC to boost failing circulation.  This free publicity will shift priority funding away from other research and get Al Gore and Greenpeace to further publicize the threat of ASC by using it to raise huge piles of cash from the ordinary and pseudo-scientifically intimidated citizens.

We MUST stop ASC now - Turn off your cell phone, wireless router, motors, lights, generators, and all other electric devices to reduce your EM footprint and save not only all life on the Earth, but on Mars and Venus as well.

Can’t get your EM footprint any smaller?  Please visit my website and consider buying EM credits to offset your emissions.   The poor third-world people who live in harmony with nature and lack the ability to generate man-made EM waves will gladly sell their unused EM credits using my corporation as the sole broker.

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Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on October 07, 2008, 06:58:23 AM
 ;D   ;D   ;D    ROFL!

I should have considered life on Mars before I bought my cell phone for emergencies. I'll feel guilty now if I have to use it. By the way, can we trade CARBON CREDITS FOR EM CREDITS?


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on October 07, 2008, 09:48:52 AM
Sorry, carbon credits are now worthless.  ;) :D



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: HisDaughter on October 07, 2008, 12:53:51 PM
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And let me just add............


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Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on October 07, 2008, 09:02:23 PM
 ;D   ;D   ;D

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Things are so INSANE - let's all just have a big laugh. Might was well - it couldn't hurt!


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on October 08, 2008, 12:07:07 AM
Oct 6     

First significant snowfall of the season to North Cascades
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE SEATTLE WA - A STRONG PACIFIC STORM WILL USHER IN A COLDER AIR MASS ON TUESDAY AND BRING THE FIRST SIGNIFICANT SNOWFALL OF THE SEASON TO THE NORTH CASCADES.

SNOWFALL AMOUNTS OF 2 TO 5 INCHES ARE EXPECTED ABOVE THE 4000 FOOT LEVEL. WEST FACING SLOPES COULD RECEIVE LOCALIZED ACCUMULATIONS UP TO 8 INCHES. THE SNOW WILL BE ACCOMPANIED BY GUSTY WEST WINDS THAT WILL MAKE TEMPERATURES FEEL AS THOUGH THEY ARE IN THE 20S.   

Unseasonably cold weather continues at Fairbanks

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE FAIRBANKS AK ...THE HIGH TEMPERATURE YESTERDAY AT THE FAIRBANKS INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT WAS 31 DEGREES. THIS WAS THE FIRST TIME THIS FALL THAT THE HIGH TEMPERATURE FAILED TO REACH THE FREEZING MARK.
 

ON AVERAGE THE DATE OF THE FIRST DAY WITH A HIGH TEMPERATURE BELOW FREEZING IS OCTOBER 11TH. SO FAR THIS MONTH THE WARMEST TEMPERATURE OF 38 DEGREES WAS OBSERVED ON THE 2ND.

THE AVERAGE TEMPERATURE SO FAR THIS MONTH OF 27.1 DEGREES IS 8.2

DEGREES BELOW THE 30-YEAR AVERAGE.

IT HAS BEEN THE COLDEST FIRST 5 DAYS OF THE MONTH OF OCTOBER SINCE 1992.

   
Oct 5    

23% Cooler in Nebraska During August - Nebraska had approximately 211 cooling degree days during August 2008.

The state normally has 275 cooling degree days during that month which

indicates that the weather was 23 percent cooler than normal for August.   

Snow to the Lower Cascade passes! - NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE SEATTLE WA
A STRONG PACIFIC STORM COULD BRING THE FIRST SIGNIFICANT SNOWFALL OF THE SEASON TO THE OLYMPICS AND CASCADES ON TUESDAY..

A VIGOROUS COLD FRONT WILL USHER IN A COLDER AIR MASS ACROSS THE AREA DURING THE DAY TUESDAY. BY LATE TUESDAY...THE SNOW LEVEL IS EXPECTED TO BE IN THE 3500 TO 4000 FOOT RANGE IN THE OLYMPICS AND CASCADES. PLUMMETING SNOW LEVELS COMBINED WITH STRONG...MOIST WESTERLY FLOW COULD RESULT IN 2 TO 5 INCHES OF SNOW ABOVE 4000 FEET BY LATE TUESDAY AFTERNOON.

SNOQUALMIE AND STEVENS PASSES COULD SEE WET SNOW DOWN TO THE 3000 FOOT LEVEL EARLY TUESDAY EVENING. HOWEVER SNOWFALL ACCUMULATIONS ARE EXPECTED TO BE LIGHT OR LESS THAN TWO INCHES BELOW THE 3500 FOOT LEVEL.

Up to two feet of snow expected in the Rockies - The Pacific storm that caused heavy rain, winds and mountain snow in the West will drop the first heavy snow of the season in the mountains of Utah and Colorado through tonight. One to three inches in the Utah mountains above 7,000 feet by Monday morning. The storm will drop up to a foot of snow above 9,000 feet in the Colorado Rockies, and up to two feet above 9,500 feet.
   


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on October 08, 2008, 12:08:48 AM
Winter begins in earnest in UK


Britain on flood alert as soggy summer quickly turns to winter. The Environment Agency has issued flood warnings to 19 areas as winter began in earnest - with biting winds adding to cooling temperatures.

And forecasters say more heavy rain is set to follow the lashing the UK received over the weekend.

The depressing prediction came after four inches of rain fell in 24 hours in some parts of the country yesterday -  equivalent to a whole month's rain in a single day.

More heavy rain is expected tomorrow, with grey skies and drizzle predicted for Thursday and Friday

The heaviest rainfall fell in parts of Wales, with Capel Curig in Snowdonia recording 3.6ins yesterday.

The Midlands and South-East also had up to two inches of rain as a thick band of cloud came in from the west on Saturday night.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on October 08, 2008, 01:07:10 AM
Brothers and Sisters,

I just wanted to share some strange weather news for Oklahoma. We've had on and off thunderstorms the last two days with high winds and hail. Our storm sirens even went off last night. It's calmed down today and we had nice weather. Things like this are simply STRANGE. The farmers needed the rain, but it's just strange to have high winds and hail in October.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on October 08, 2008, 11:50:37 AM
Yes, the weather has been unusual for October. We had snow here yesterday. It was warm enough that it all melted before it hit the ground. I wouldn't call this a record of any sort but it has been a very, very long time since it has happened.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on October 09, 2008, 08:51:02 PM
Historic Snowstorm Possible
URGENT WEATHER MESSAGE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BILLINGS MT
   

9 Oct 08 ... MAJOR WINTER STORM TO AFFECT THE REGION TONIGHT THROUGH SUNDAY...

SIGNIFICANT SNOW ACCUMULATIONS ARE POSSIBLE...ESPECIALLY ALONG THE NORTHEAST SLOPES OF THE MOUNTAINS…

ONE TO TWO FEET OF SNOW IS POSSIBLE ALONG THE EASTERN FOOTHILLS OF THE BIG HORN MOUNTAINS AND NEAR THE PRYOR MOUNTAINS…

THIS IS A POTENTIALLY VERY DANGEROUS STORM THAT MAY PRODUCE HISTORICAL SNOW AMOUNTS ACROSS THE AREA … THE SNOW WILL BE WET AND HEAVY... DOWNED TREES AND POWER LINES ARE POSSIBLE. TRAVEL CONDITIONS COULD BECOME VERY HAZARDOUS OR IMPOSSIBLE.

At a time like this, they want to raise taxes on heating oil and gasoline?


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on October 10, 2008, 08:12:28 PM
Kids Against Anthropongenic Global Warming

There’s been some discussion about the “indoctrination” of AGW theory in school systems worldwide, mostly by teachers showing Al Gore’s movie, An Inconvenient Truth, in schools.

As a former school trustee in my town of Chico, CA, I can vouch for the fact that AIT has been shown in some local schools, with student discussions centered around it. It is of course not on the approved curriculum, but some teachers take it upon themselves to introduce it into the classroom on their own. Since most teachers have leeway in choosing films to show to classes, unlike with textbooks, which are chosen by the school board, films generally “fly under the radar” requiring only a form approved by the school principal.

So it was with interest that I was advised of a new website, Kids Against Anthropongenic Global Warming, put together by 14 year old girl from Far North Queensland, Australia. I see it as an antithesis to the horrible website that was put together by Australia’s ABC TV network:

TV Network Tells Kids How Long Their Carbon Footprint Should Allow Them to Live

I’ve never seen a more disgusting kid-theme for “science” education than the above link. (Link purposefully left out. Can you imagine telling kids that they shouldn't live very long because they are hurting the planet, that the planet is more important than they are. These people are ones that definitely need to be kept away from kids.)

This Kids againts AGW site is done in the spirit of Krysten Byrnes, who wrote an essay that caught worldwide attention and then launched a website with more essays and ideas, this website is in it’s infancy. As we saw with Krysten, it takes courage to go against what is generally accepted by your peers at school. Unfortunately, she’s using a pseudonym, which is something I discourage with adults, since I think you should stand behind your words. But maybe this is the only way mum and dad would allow her to do it. Here’s a bit about her from her website:

    Hi, my name’s Eloise (pseudonym) and I am a 14 year old girl from Far North Queensland, Australia. My dad first informed me that the concept of Anthropogenic Global Warming was nothing but a theory presented as fact. It really started to annoy me that people would just believe what anyone *Al Gore* says, without asking for any evidence to support what was said. My dad showed me some online links and pushed me to find a conclusion myself. My conclusion: Al Gore is a hypocrite and scaremongers people into paying him to lecture without even letting himself be challenged by skeptics, people usually want to think that man is evil and imposing on the earth and most importantly that Anthropogenic Global Warming is nothing but an unproven theory. And that is the most “Inconvenient Truth”.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on October 10, 2008, 10:30:55 PM
Brothers and Sisters,

We can take a look around us and should be able to use a little common sense to see the BIG PICTURE!

Al Gore's Global Warming is a massive step toward SOCIALISM! Many of the younger people won't even understand the significance of this subject. Marx was the father of Socialism and Communism. The two are actually like two peas in a pod, but people are more apt to use the term "SOCIALISM" because it isn't feared and understood as much as the term "COMMUNISM". MANY MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WERE KILLED IN THE 1900s BECAUSE THEY WERE SIMPLY INCONVENIENT FOR SOCIALIST AND COMMUNIST REGIMES! In case you're wondering, Christians are inconvenient and always have been. The STATE must decide what's right and wrong - NOT GOD! The STATE must be unquestioned and obeyed WITHOUT OPPOSITION! THOSE WHO STAND UP FOR RIGHT AND AGAINST WRONG MUST BE ELIMINATED! It's really just as simple as that. To put this in the proper perspective, THE STATE IS GOD - end of story!

Brothers and Sisters, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, we are currently watching SOCIALISTS AND COMMUNISTS taking over America right under our noses. THEY EVEN BELONG TO VARIOUS SOCIALIST AND COMMUNIST PARTIES THAT HAVE BEEN IN EXISTENCE FOR A LONG TIME AND ARE WELL-FUNDED! Socialists are already in place in every level of government, and the TAKEOVER IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW AS YOU READ THIS! BELIEVE IT OR NOT - THIS IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW! Sadly, it doesn't appear that it can be stopped. This would be yet another SIGN that the END DAYS are about to be ushered in. FREEDOM AND CHRIST - ESPECIALLY CHRIST - WOULD BE INCONVENIENT FOR THE GLOBAL STATE! SO, THE GLOBAL STATE WILL TRY TO ELIMINATE THESE THINGS AND OTHERS!


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Shammu on October 11, 2008, 02:04:54 AM
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    Hi, my name’s Eloise (pseudonym) and I am a 14 year old girl from Far North Queensland, Australia. My dad first informed me that the concept of Anthropogenic Global Warming was nothing but a theory presented as fact. It really started to annoy me that people would just believe what anyone *Al Gore* says, without asking for any evidence to support what was said. My dad showed me some online links and pushed me to find a conclusion myself. My conclusion: Al Gore is a hypocrite and scaremongers people into paying him to lecture without even letting himself be challenged by skeptics, people usually want to think that man is evil and imposing on the earth and most importantly that Anthropogenic Global Warming is nothing but an unproven theory. And that is the most “Inconvenient Truth”.

Least some of these kids are seeing the truth of Al Gore. I guess when all the facts are out......... Al Gore will find it, "An Inconvenient Truth" for himself.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on October 13, 2008, 03:47:13 AM
Boise gets earliest snow on record


11 Oct 08 – Treasure Valley shivers as winter weather makes a premature appearance. Tree branches heavy with wet, snow-covered leaves fell on power lines, causing scattered power outages. This is the earliest measurable snowfall in Boise since recordkeeping began in 1898, according to the National Weather Service. At 10 p.m., the Weather Service said 1.7 inches of snow had fallen. The previous earliest recorded snowfall was Oct. 12, 1969, when a little more than an inch fell.

Big snow flakes fell early Friday evening, turning Downtown Boise into a giant snow globe for people on their way home from work.

The snow caught many people off guard, including this bicyclist heading down Idaho Street between 8th and 9th around 5:45 p.m. Across the Treasure Valley, tree branches heavy with wet, snow-covered leaves fell on power lines, causing scattered power outages.

This is the earliest measurable snowfall in Boise since recordkeeping began in 1898, according to the National Weather Service. At 10 p.m., the Weather Service said 1.7 inches of snow had fallen. The previous earliest recorded snowfall was Oct. 12, 1969, when a little more than an inch fell. And if the snow wasn’t enough, meteorologists say winds across southwestern Idaho will average 25 to 40 mph through Saturday afternoon, with gusts up to 55 mph. Sustained winds of 30 to 40 mph are expected, which can make driving difficult.

here is also some early and record snows in Billings Montana

    A snowfall record for Oct. 11 was set in Billings yesterday.
    According the National Weather Service, Billings saw 3.1 inches of snow Friday. The old record of 2.8 inches was set in 1969.

Russ Steele reports on his Nevada County Watch blog that his first freeze came last night, about a month early. Also a hat tip to him for alerting me to this story.

Pamela Gray in comments points out this record report from the NWS:

    000
    SXUS76 KPDT 111801
    RERPDT

    RECORD EVENT REPORT
    NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE PENDLETON OR
    1100 AM PDT SAT OCT 11 2008

    …NEW DAILY RECORD LOW TEMPERATURES FOR OCTOBER 11TH…

    NOTE: STATIONS MARKED WITH * INDICATE THAT THE STATION REPORTS ONCE
    PER DAY. FOR CONSISTENCY…THESE VALUES ARE CONSIDERED TO HAVE
    OCCURRED ON THE DAY THE OBSERVATION WAS TAKEN BUT MAY HAVE ACTUALLY
    OCCURRED (ESPECIALLY FOR MAX TEMPERATURE) ON THE PREVIOUS DAY.

    STATION PREVIOUS NEW RECORDS
    RECORD/YEAR RECORD BEGAN

    *JOHN DAY(CITY), OR 23 / 1990 21 1953
    MEACHAM, OR 20 / 2002 15 1948 :SINCE MID
    *MITCHELL, OR 26 / 2002 21 1949
    PENDLETON(ARPT), OR 33 / 1990 25 1934 :SINCE MID
    *PENDLETON(CITY), OR 24 / 1890 22 1890
    *PENDLETON(ES), OR 23 / 1990 18 1956
    WALLA WALLA, WA 35 / 1987 33 1949 :SINCE MID

Harbinger of a colder than normal winter perhaps.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on October 15, 2008, 12:47:50 AM
Alaska glaciers on the rebound

Two hundred years of glacial shrinkage in Alaska, and then came the winter and summer of 2007-2008.Unusually large amounts of winter snow were followed by unusually chill temperatures in June, July and August.

“In mid-June, I was surprised to see snow still at sea level in Prince William Sound,” said U.S. Geological Survey glaciologist Bruce Molnia. “On the Juneau Icefield, there was still 20 feet of new snow on the surface of the Taku Glacier in late July. At Bering Glacier, a landslide I am studying, located at about 1,500 feet elevation, did not become snow free until early August.

“In general, the weather this summer was the worst I have seen in at least 20 years.”

Never before in the history of a research project dating back to 1946 had the Juneau Icefield witnessed the kind of snow buildup that came this year. It was similar on a lot of other glaciers too.

“It’s been a long time on most glaciers where they’ve actually had positive mass balance,” Molnia said.

That’s the way a scientist says the glaciers got thicker in the middle.

Mass balance is the difference between how much snow falls every winter and how much snow fades away each summer. For most Alaska glaciers, the summer snow loss has for decades exceeded the winter snowfall.

The result has put the state’s glaciers on a long-term diet. Every year they lose the snow of the previous winter plus some of the snow from years before. And so they steadily shrink.

Since Alaska’s glacial maximum back in the 1700s, Molnia said, “I figure that we’ve lost about 15 percent of the total area.”

What might be the most notable long-term shrinkage has occurred at Glacier Bay, now the site of a national park in Southeast Alaska. When the first Russian explorers arrived in Alaska in the 1740s, there was no Glacier Bay. There was simply a wall of ice across the north side of Icy Strait.

That ice retreated to form a bay and what is now known as the Muir Glacier. And from the 1800s until now, the Muir Glacier just kept retreating and retreating and retreating. It is now back 57 miles from the entrance to the bay, said Tom Vandenberg, chief interpretative ranger at Glacier Bay.

That’s farther than the distance from glacier-free Anchorage to Girdwood, where seven glaciers overhang the valley surrounding the state’s largest ski area. The glaciers there, like the Muir and hundreds of other Alaska glaciers, have been part of the long retreat.

Overall, Molnia figures Alaska has lost 10,000 to 12,000 square kilometers of ice in the past two centuries, enough to cover an area nearly the size of Connecticut.

Molnia has just completed a major study of Alaska glaciers using satellite images and aerial photographs to catalog shrinkage. The 550-page “Glaciers of Alaska” will provide a benchmark for tracking what happens to the state’s glaciers in the future.

Climate change has led to speculation they might all disappear. Molnia isn’t sure what to expect. As far as glaciers go, he said, Alaska’s glaciers are volatile. They live life on the edge.

“What we’re talking about to (change) most of Alaska’s glaciers is a small temperature change; just a small fraction-of-a-degree change makes a big difference. It’s the mean annual temperature that’s the big thing.

“All it takes is a warm summer to have a really dramatic effect on the melting.”

Or a cool summer to shift that mass balance the other way.

One cool summer that leaves 20 feet of new snow still sitting atop glaciers come the start of the next winter is no big deal, Molnia said.

Ten summers like that?

Well, that might mark the start of something like the Little Ice Age.

During the Little Ice Age — roughly the 16th century to the 19th — Muir Glacier filled Glacier Bay and the people of Europe struggled to survive because of difficult conditions for agriculture. Some of them fled for America in the first wave of white immigration.

The Pilgrims established the Plymouth Colony in December 1620. By spring, a bitterly cold winter had played a key role in helping kill half of them. Hindered by a chilly climate, the white colonization of North America through the 1600s and 1700s was slow.

As the climate warmed from 1800 to 1900, the United States tripled in size. The windy and cold city of Chicago grew from an outpost of fewer than 4,000 in 1800 to a thriving city of more than 1.5 million at the end of that century.

The difference in temperature between the Little Ice Age and these heady days of American expansion?

About three or four degrees, Molnia said.

The difference in temperature between this summer in Anchorage — the third coldest on record — and the norm?

About three degrees, according to the National Weather Service.

Does it mean anything?

Nobody knows. Climate is constantly shifting. And even if the past year was a signal of a changing future, Molnia said, it would still take decades to make itself noticeable in Alaska’s glaciers.

Rivers of ice flow slowly. Hundreds of feet of snow would have to accumulate at higher elevations to create enough pressure to stall the current glacial retreat and start a new advance. Even if the glaciers started growing today, Molnia said, it might take up to 100 years for them to start steadily rolling back down into the valleys they’ve abandoned.

“It’s different time scales,” he said. “We’re just starting to understand.”

As strange it might seem, Alaska’s glaciers could appear to be shrinking for some time while secretly growing. Molnia said there are a few glaciers in the state now where constant snow accumulations at higher elevations are causing them to thicken even as their lower reaches follow the pattern of retreat fueled by the global warming of recent decades.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on October 15, 2008, 12:49:02 AM
I hope that everybody has laid in a good supply of woolies.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on October 15, 2008, 01:25:39 AM
I hope that everybody has laid in a good supply of woolies.



 ;D   ;D

I'm working on it, but I'm worried about the ever increasing number of polar bears. Contrary to Al Gore, they've been doing extremely well for years. Should we send Al Gore a sweater to wear in his jet?


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on October 15, 2008, 01:30:48 AM
Those polar bears may coming to our neighborhood soon.

Should we send Al Gore a sweater to wear in his jet?

Naw. He has enough heat generation every time he speaks that he won't need one.  ;D

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Birds migrating that aren’t supposed to be migrating

Penguins are being found in Brazil far from their normal habitat.

Bird migration to the south seems to be happening earlier this year. Canadian Geese have already moved south through central Illinois. Eagles and other birds of prey left earlier last month. Numerous varieties of birds that normally do not go as far south as Arizona are showing up in the desert of the Phoenix area.

Finland is also reporting early migration of birds.

There are some that are blaming this on the weakening of the earth's magnetic field in a condition that they think is going to cause a reversal of the magnetic field. I don't much about this theory but I would say that going by birds normal habits this along with other indicators looks like a very early harsh winter.

 


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on October 16, 2008, 01:25:07 PM
More glaciers growing and it isn't even winter yet.

Glaciers growing on Glacier Peak, WA
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Glaciers growing on Glacier Peak

From a reader of "Ice Age Now"

I'm writing to let you know about observations I've made here in the Central Cascades of Washington State. I recently moved from Breckenridge, CO to WA after being gone since 2005. I have a cabin at Lake Wenatchee, and the Glacier Peak volcano is visible to the Northwest. As its name implies the mountain is glaciated. Before I moved to CO in 2005 it was obvious that the glaciers and snow had receded and rock was visible in areas all the way to the peak. The glaciers and snow are back now. I was surprised to see the entire mountain from my vantage completely covered in white from top to bottom, and this is after the "warm" summer months here in the PNW. It appears to me that Glacier Peak's glaciers are growing and advancing. I'm planning a hike soon that will take me relatively close to the mountain so I can get up-close photos. Evidence for global cooling is literally accumulating in the form of snow!


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: HisDaughter on October 17, 2008, 01:04:41 AM
This writer said "warm" with tongue in cheek because we had a very mild summer this year.  I could've sworn the first day of Fall was August 1st!  We do have snow early this year in the mountains which ought to make all of our skiers happy!  My dad was pretty happy because it brought all the deer down low and he was able to get his this year.  That's were he was while mom and I made our trip to Oregon last week.  Yep, this "global warming" looks pretty beautiful up there on Mt. Rainer this year!!   ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on October 17, 2008, 01:12:37 AM
It's been quite cool for some time here even though there has been a few days that got back up between 75 to 80. There was even one day where we got snow here about 2 weeks ago but it was too warm and melted before it hit the ground. We have our first frost warning for the season tonight. Last year people were still wearing shorts in November.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on October 17, 2008, 11:34:27 PM
Oregon sets multiple record  lows
Pendleton breaks 118-year-old record
   
Cold temperatures set several new record lows this weekend, including a low of 22 Saturday in downtown Pendleton that broke a 118 year-old record of 24.

Thursday saw a new low of 20 for Meacham, four degrees cooler than the previous record from 2006. On Friday, Heppner hit 29, the coldest that date has seen since 1960 when it was 30; and Long Creek was 21, besting the 1987 record by four degrees.

On Saturday John Day dropped to 21, breaking the 1990 record of 23, and Mitchell set a record with 21, five degrees cooler than the 2002 record.

On Sunday, for the third time in four days, Meacham set a record with a low of 15, one degree cooler than the 2002 record, Long Creek's low of 21 broke with 1969 record of 25, and Mitchell's 21 broke the 1949 record of 24. And downtown Pendleton's 21 chilled past the previous record of 25 from 1931.

Also Sunday, two-miles north of Hermiston cooled to 18, breaking the 1953 record of 20.

                   Not much global warming in Oregon, it would appear.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on October 18, 2008, 02:42:30 PM
Ice Reality Check: Arctic Ice Now 31.3% Over Last Year, plus Scientists Counter Latest Arctic ‘Record’ Warmth Claims as ‘Pseudoscience’

You’ve probably heard by now how this new story circulating this week claims “record warmth” and that we are in the peak time of melting. Meanwhile, “back at the ranch”, sea ice extent continues a steady upward climb as shown above.

Scientists Counter Latest Arctic ‘Record’ Warmth Claims as ‘Pseudoscience’ - Comprehensive Arctic Data Round Up - October 17, 2008

Claim: Newspaper article claims Arctic Temps Peak in November - Claims Arctic offers ‘early warning signs’ - McClatchy Newspapers - October 16, 2008

Excerpt: Temperatures in the Arctic last fall hit an all-time high - more than 9 degrees Fahrenheit (5 degrees Centigrade) above normal - and remain almost as high this year, an international team of scientists reported Thursday. “The year 2007 was the warmest year on record in the Arctic,” said Jackie Richter-Menge, a climate expert at the Cold Regions Research and Engineering Laboratory in Hanover, N.H, and editor of the latest annual Arctic Report Card. “These are dynamic and dramatic times in the Arctic,” she said. “The outlook isn’t good.” Arctic temperatures naturally peak in October and November, after sea ice shrinks during the summer. [...]  Scientists say these changes in the Arctic are early warning signs of what may be coming for the rest of the world’s climate.

Arctic Reality Check: Why isn’t the cooling Antarctic considered ‘an indicator of what might happen to the rest of the world?’

By Climate Scientist Dr. Ben Herman, past director of the Institute of Atmospheric Physics and former Head of the Department of Atmospheric Sciences at the University of Arizona is a member of both the Institute for the Study of Planet Earth’s Executive Committee and the Committee on Global Change.

Herman Excerpt: First of all, the Arctic sea ice is at its minimum in September, not October or November as the scientists in the McClatchy article states. As Arctic ice experts, they certainly should have known this. Another point is that the Arctic temperatures do not “naturally peak in October or November”. They peak in mid August generally. Also the article states that since the world’s climates are interconnected, what happens in the Arctic may be an indicator of what will happen in the rest of the world. How about what happens in the Antarctic then? Since its ice area has been increasing, is this also an indicator of what might happen in the rest of the world?

Reality Check # 2: ‘This is pseudoscience’ - By German scientist Ernst-Georg Beck, a biologist Rebuts Arctic Reports - October 17, 2008

Excerpt: The annual report issued by researchers at the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and other experts is the latest to paint a dire picture of the impact of climate change in the Arctic. [...] The real averaged temperatures of the whole Arctic circle (70-90 N) can be found in the same data base used by NOAA (CRU, Phil Jones): The graph shows a strong Arctic warming during 1918 and 1960, stronger than today with a rise of about + 4°C up to 1938. Referencing only a rise since 1960 we got the illusion of a dramatic rise in modern times. Conclusion: The news item:” Arctic air temperatures climb to record levels” is selective science and wrong because the Arctic Ocean ( covering an area of more than 50% of the Arctic circle) has been left unconsidered. The NOAA study summarizes: „5°C record levels in temperature in autumn”, presents the averaged temperatures only on land stations and discusses melting sea ice as a cause! This is pseudoscience. In contrast the current Arctic warming mimics the 1920s-1940s event, as a recent study from the Ohio State University reveals. The scientists recognized from using weather station records, maps and photos from the past century that temperatures in Greenland had warmed in the 1920s at rates equivalent to the recent past.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on October 19, 2008, 10:28:05 AM
I'm posting this here as this goes in conjunction with other posts that have been made in reference to the sun and the non-existent global warming. As the global warming alarm is being taken apart piece by piece the alarmists are now turning to another calamity that they have to attempt to save us from but this time it is of galactic measures instead of just the earth. Somehow I imagine that they will also attempt to blame mankind for this also and turn it into a need for political intervention.

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Sun's protective 'bubble' is shrinking
The protective bubble around the sun that helps to shield the Earth from harmful interstellar radiation is shrinking and getting weaker, Nasa scientists have warned.

 Data has shown that the sun's heliosphere is shrinking  Photo: AP

New data has revealed that the heliosphere, the protective shield of energy that surrounds our solar system, has weakened by 25 per cent over the past decade and is now at it lowest level since the space race began 50 years ago.

Scientists are baffled at what could be causing the barrier to shrink in this way and are to launch mission to study the heliosphere.

The Interstellar Boundary Explorer, or IBEX, will be launched from an aircraft on Sunday on a Pegasus rocket into an orbit 150,000 miles above the Earth where it will "listen" for the shock wave that forms as our solar system meets the interstellar radiation.

Dr Nathan Schwadron, co-investigator on the IBEX mission at Boston University, said: "The interstellar medium, which is part of the galaxy as a whole, is actually quite a harsh environment. There is a very high energy galactic radiation that is dangerous to living things.

"Around 90 per cent of the galactic cosmic radiation is deflected by our heliosphere, so the boundary protects us from this harsh galactic environment."

The heliosphere is created by the solar wind, a combination of electrically charged particles and magnetic fields that emanate a more than a million miles an hour from the sun, meet the intergalactic gas that fills the gaps in space between solar systems.

At the boundary where they meet a shock wave is formed that deflects interstellar radiation around the solar system as it travels through the galaxy.

The scientists hope the IBEX mission will allow them to gain a better understanding of what happens at this boundary and help them predict what protection it will offer in the future.

Without the heliosphere the harmful intergalactic cosmic radiation would make life on Earth almost impossible by destroying DNA and making the climate uninhabitable.

Measurements made by the Ulysses deep space probe, which was launched in 1990 to orbit the sun, have shown that the pressure created inside the heliosphere by the solar wind has been decreasing.

Dr David McComas, principal investigator on the IBEX mission, said: "It is a fascinating interaction that our sun has with the galaxy surrounding us. This million mile an hour wind inflates this protective bubble that keeps us safe from intergalactic cosmic rays.

"With less pressure on the inside, the interaction at the boundaries becomes weaker and the heliosphere as a whole gets smaller."

If the heliosphere continues to weaken, scientists fear that the amount of cosmic radiation reaching the inner parts of our solar system, including Earth, will increase.

This could result in growing levels of disruption to electrical equipment, damage satellites and potentially even harm life on Earth.

But Dr McComas added that it was still unclear exactly what would happen if the heliosphere continued to weaken or what even what the timescale for changes in the heliosphere are.

He said: “There is no imminent danger, but it is hard to know what the future holds. Certainly if the solar wind pressure was to continue to go down and the heliosphere were to almost evaporate then we would be in this sea of galactic cosmic rays. That could have some large effects.

“It is likely that there are natural variations in solar wind pressure and over time it will either stabilise or start going back up.”

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I mentioned above the article that this goes in conjunction with other articles posted on the sun. We have seen that sun's activities have slowed in recent years causing an actual global cooling effect instead of a warming. There have been fewer solar flairs, the magnetic effect has lessened, and solar winds have diminished. It only goes to reason that the "bubble" will also diminish as it does not need to be as large in order to do the same job. God's way of doing things still cause great mystery among men! As the sun's activity increases then so will the size of the "bubble". When this will happen no one is sure but it has been seen to be somewhat cyclic in nature.

One thing is for sure here. Mankind will not be able to do anything about it. This will be completely in God's hands. We can also be sure that there will be a connection between the sun and a plague on earth during the tribulation period.

Rev 16:8  And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
Rev 16:9  And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.

We also know as Christians that we have a much better promise, a promise that He will protect us.

Isa 49:10  They shall not hunger nor thirst; neither shall the heat nor sun smite them: for he that hath mercy on them shall lead them, even by the springs of water shall he guide them.

Isa 54:9  For this is as the waters of Noah unto me: for as I have sworn that the waters of Noah should no more go over the earth; so have I sworn that I would not be wroth with thee, nor rebuke thee.
Isa 54:10  For the mountains shall depart, and the hills be removed; but my kindness shall not depart from thee, neither shall the covenant of my peace be removed, saith the LORD that hath mercy on thee.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: HisDaughter on October 19, 2008, 12:34:34 PM

Scientists are baffled at what could be causing the barrier to shrink in this way and are to launch mission to study the heliosphere.

The old saying still goes......."It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out"....


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on October 19, 2008, 01:09:56 PM
The old saying still goes......."It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out"....

ROFL ... they think it does.

Just another reason to substantiate the need for their paycheck.  ::) ::)



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: HisDaughter on October 19, 2008, 03:11:20 PM
I just went out to my mail box and I got my ballot!!  But that isn't wasn't I was going to say here.  What I was going to say is that the global warming in my area just chilled me to the bone!  ;D


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on October 21, 2008, 08:01:07 PM
Arctic Ocean may have been ice free
6000 Years Ago
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20 Oct 08 — Recent mapping of a number of raised beach ridges on the north coast of Greenland suggests that the ice cover in the Arctic Ocean was greatly reduced some 6000-7000 years ago. The Arctic Ocean may have been periodically ice free.

”We still don’t know whether the Arctic Ocean was completely ice free, but there was more open water in the area north of Greenland than there is today,” says Astrid Lysĺ, a geologist and researcher at the Geological Survey of Norway (NGU).

”The architecture of a sandy shore depends partly on whether wave activity or pack ice has influenced its formation. Beach ridges, which are generally distinct, very long, broad features running parallel to the shoreline, form when there is wave activity and occasional storms. This requires periodically open water,” Astrid Lysĺ explains.

”This stands in sharp contrast to the present-day situation where only ridges piled up by pack ice are being formed,” she says.

              Hmmm. Do you suppose that natural forces might somehow be
              melting the ice in Arctic today?

              Do you suppose that natural forces might have somehow melted
              that Arctic ice some 6,000 years ago?

              Or did that ice disappear because our ancestors were driving SUVs? 

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This is something that Christians can say with a certainity as this time frame was prior to Noah's ark when the weather was the same the world over. It was not until the flood that we started having season's.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on October 21, 2008, 08:25:43 PM
I found an article in French that tells of a very large amount of wild boars in Tunisia that are migrating south. Something that is uncommon for them to do. This along with all the birds that I mentioned earlier in this thread that are doing the same thing indicates that we some very, very cold weather coming our way.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on October 23, 2008, 10:57:34 PM
Here's another one that is sure to bring some laughter to your day. Harvard University in Cambridge, MA is resorting to comedy events instead of educational ones. They were holding what they called a "Sustainability Celebration" and the keynote speaker was to be Al Gore. Immediately the "Gore Effect" hit the area. (Gore Effect = The phenomenon that leads to unseasonably cold temperatures, driving rain, hail, or snow whenever Al Gore visits an area to discuss global warming.)

Even though they didn't get any there was snow in the forecast for the day of the event. The temps however were really low very close to the record lows for that day. The day after the event it was supposed to drop to 28 degrees which would have meant breaking a record of 125 yrs.

The organizers were ready for the effect, as shown by the e-mail from the Office of the President, president@harvard.edu:

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Dear Members of the Harvard Community,

Although today's weather will hardly remind us of the serious problem that is global warming, today's event - the Harvard Sustainability Celebration, with a keynote address by former Vice President Al Gore - will go on, as scheduled, in Tercentenary Theatre with a program beginning at 4 p.m. We very much hope that you will attend and enjoy the festivities.

Starting at 3 p.m., we will be serving hot cider and soup to keep everyone warm; please dress for our changeable New England weather. Henry Longfellow, onetime Harvard professor and longtime Cantabrigian, once remarked, "The best thing one can do when it's raining is to let it rain." We sincerely hope that, this afternoon, it won't rain. But even if it does, Harvard celebrates Sustainability with spirits undampened.

Sincerely,

The Sustainability Celebration Committee

Office of the President
http://www.green.harvard.edu/


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/randers/Gore-Freezing.jpg)



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on October 23, 2008, 11:04:10 PM
Green police: Knock-on effect - Essential surveillance kit for the new green police: the Energy Saving Partnership has taken out a patent on Heatseekers, thermo-imaging vehicles which, at full potential, have the capacity to identify 1,000 properties an hour, or 5,000 properties a night, that are leaking carbon. "Once the property has been scanned, a dedicated team of energy advisers will visit householders to show them the thermal image scan of their homes," says Inspector Knock-on-the-Door. That'll go down well after midnight.

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The Knock-on effect will be sure to be met by the Knock-out effect.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on October 23, 2008, 11:19:03 PM
Brisbane has coldest October morning since 1976 - 23 Oct 08 - Cold winds blowing up from the snow-capped Blue Mountains have given Brisbane its coldest October morning in 32 years.

The mercury fell to 10.6 degrees in the City, more than five degrees below average for this time of year. The previous low for October was 7.3 degrees in 1976. Brisbane recorded 6.3 degrees in October in 1899 at a now-disused weather station.

Amberley had an even colder start waking up to 6C and Stanthorpe shivered on just two degrees.

Record cold snap brings snow to Australia - 22 Oct 08 - Record cold temperatures have brought snow to the Blue Mountains and southern tablelands in NSW and wet and windy weather to the state's coast.

Temperatures dipped to three degrees celsius near Blackheath, west of Sydney, early this morning and pockets of snow fell in Leura and west of Katoomba at Oberon. Snow was also reported in the southern tablelands at Cooma and in Bombala, near the Victorian border. 

Bureau of Merology (BoM) forecaster Jane Golding said average temperatures in the Blue Mountains for October ranged from seven to 18 degrees.

In Sydney today, the temperature is forecast to be 15 degrees, an October temperature which has only been seen twice in the past 14 years, Ms Golding said. Average maximum temperatures for Sydney in October are around 22 degrees.

Early snowfall across Ontario  - 22 Oct 08 - "Torontonians should do their best not to curse out old man winter because he's here early. It's been one of those years. Spring was slow to leave, summer was late in arriving and now a taste of winter is here while it's still officially autumn.

"If you can believe it, six centimetres of snow fell on the ground in Orillia. Meantime, snowfall was being reported across southern Ontario, flurries came down in parts of Toronto and York region and there were white-out conditions further north into the Barrie area and cottage."



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on October 26, 2008, 11:31:05 AM
Record low temperatures in 10 states!

Oct 23

Rome, OR  Breaks old record of 20 set in 1980                    15
Caribou, ME   Breaks old record of 21 set in 1982                 20
Winslow, AZ                                                                         21 tie
Traverse City, MI  Breaks old record of 24 set in 1976          22
Grand Junction, CO  Breaks old record of 26 set in 1996      23
Hilo, HI                                                                                 64 tie
Childress, TX                                                                        34 tie
Seattle, WA                                                                         39 tie
Bountiful, UT                                                                       28 tie
Burley, ID                                                                            21 tie
Idaho Falls, ID  Breaks old record of 18 set in 1958              17
Challis, ID                                                                            17 tie
Pendleton, OR                                                                     29 tie
Union, OR  Breaks previous record of 20 set in 1980           17
Walla Walla, WA                                                                  32 tie

Oct 24

Montague, CA                                                                     26
Traverse City, MI  Breaks old record of 24 set in 1976         22
Islip, NY  31 tie                                                                    31 tie
Pocatello, ID  Ties previous record set in 1949                    18 tie


Considering that many weather recording stations today have been shown to be modified in manners (blacktop/cement pads under them, A/C units placed near them, etc) that has caused them to record higher temps I would say that there were possibly many more record lows that were broken.


BBC predictions into next week are predicting conditions for cold snow into the European Alps.

If correct, there will be:

      1. A massive blocking high in the mid-Atlantic.

      2. Several fronts coming down straight from the north becoming occluded over the Alps and penetrating right down to north Africa (always a good sign that a front has sufficient power to deposit snow in reams).

      3. Temperatures predicted to drop over 10 celcius in 24 hours when that happens.

We'll see what happens, but end of October is very early for snow down in the valleys of Switzerland. It happens, but not very often.

Could be the second year in a row with significant snowfall late October/early November at low altitude.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: HisDaughter on October 26, 2008, 11:55:26 AM
Al Gore is a disgrace.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on October 27, 2008, 08:26:51 PM
We have record lows tonight and it is snowing. It's only October and we have snow already. That hasn't happened in a whole lot of years.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on October 28, 2008, 09:46:02 PM
Blizzards forecast as temperature set to drop lower than Siberia
... no wonder the swans are staying there

Britain is about to be hit by a
chilly blast that will leave some temperatures colder than Siberia.

The freezing weather will bring blizzards of sleet and snow to northern areas of Britain and
in some parts of Scotland the temperature will drop to -8c tonight.

The chilly forecast follows the revelation that there has been no sign of hundreds of
Bewick's swans that were due to return to an English nature reserve.

Each year the swans land at Slimbridge having completed the 1,864-round-trip from Russia.

Met Office forecaster Barry Grommet said: 'There could be quite a lot of snow over
the northern hills across Scotland predominantly, but we must not rule out places like
Snowdonia and the moors of north-east England.


Cold weather and temperatures typical of December in UK and US
- Heavy snow expected

 Both the UK and parts of the USA have been hit by cold weather and temperatures typical of December, with many places in the UK seeing an afternoon high of only 6C (43F), a temperature common to the December and January months.

The Met Office issued many warnings today for heavy snow across parts of northern Scotland- Orkney, Shetland, Grampian and parts of the highlands.

Parts of North America have also been hit by wintry weather, with Fargo, North Dakota, breaking its previous record for snowfall at this time of year. Around 1.4 inches (36mm) of snow fell in just 12 hours on Sunday.



Snow forecast in Ireland - “More suited for the first week of December,
not the last week of October”

“An early blast of winter is set to hit Ireland early next week. This is quite unusual as Ireland on average gets her first air frost around October 23rd. The following forecast is from the national weather service (http://www.met.ie/) issued at 5am UTC on Sunday 26th October. This forecast would be more suited for the first week of December, not the last week of October.

FORECAST:  Monday will be cold and blustery, with a mixture of sunshine and showers. … Some of the showers will fall as hail or sleet, with a risk of snow on high ground in northern areas. Highest temperatures will range from 6 to 9 degrees…
MONDAY NIGHT: Very cold with a sharp ground frost. There will be good clear spells, but a scattering of wintry showers also, these mainly affecting coastal counties of the southwest, west and north.
TUESDAY: Very cold, in a fresh and gusty northerly wind. … risk of snow on the very highest ground.… A sharp frost will set in after dark.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on October 29, 2008, 12:49:23 PM
First October snow in London in 74 years One man was killed and thousands were left without power today after inches of snow fell across the country overnight.

Even London was hit by a light dusting last night - the first time the capital has seen snow in October since 1934. 

Other areas of the South-East, including Hertfordshire, just 20 miles out of London, were covered in a thick blanket of snow. The last time it snowed in the region in October was 1974.

In some areas, the conditions were so bad that league football matches had to be called off or abandoned after kick-off.

The Met Office's John Hammond said: 'October started like summer and is ending like winter.'


Heavy snow in Tibet – Rare for this time of year - 29 Oct 08 – “Heavy snowstorms have hit eastern Tibet over the last few days, worsening the situation for survivors of the earthquake earlier this month. Temperatures plummeted as snow started falling on Sunday.

“At least two people are reported to have died and many more are missing. Snowfalls have blocked roads, caused avalanches and led to widespread power cuts.

“Heavy snowstorms are rare for this part of Tibet in October, and temperatures are unseasonably cold. In Lhasa, the regional capital, the average maximum temperature in October is 17C (63F), but yesterday the high was just 8C (46F).”


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on October 31, 2008, 10:33:20 PM
7 killed in Tibet’s ‘worst snowstorm’. Record Snows in Switzerland, Britain.

At least seven people have been found dead after ”the worst snowstorm on record in Tibet,” China’s state-run news agency reported Friday. About 1,350 people were rescued in Lhunze County—another 300 were trapped—after nearly five feet (1.5 meters) of snow blanketed much of Tibet this week. The storm caused buildings to collapse, blocked roads and killed about 144,000 head of cattle, the state-run China Daily newspaper reported. The seven people who died either froze to death or were killed as a result of collapsing buildings, and one person is still missing, China Daily said. The BBC added: Heavy snowstorms have hit eastern Tibet over the last few days, worsening the situation for survivors of the earthquake earlier this month. Temperatures plummeted as snow started falling on Sunday.

At least two people are reported to have died and many more are missing. Snowfalls have blocked roads, caused avalanches and led to widespread power cuts. Thousands of people have been living in tents or temporary shelters since the earthquake on 6th October. Relief materials including food and blankets are flooding into the area. Heavy snowstorms are rare for this part of Tibet in October, and temperatures are unseasonably cold. In Lhasa, the regional capital, the average maximum temperature in October is 17C (63F), but yesterday the high was just 8C (46F). The wet season for Tibet is generally March to September, so should be soon coming to an end.

Record snow storm in Switzerland - The most snow for any October since records began in 1931 - 30 Oct 08 - A heavy, wet snow snapped trees, which fell across tracks and roads. The most affected regions included Zurich, Schaffhausen in the north and the areas around the Gotthard pass in central Switzerland.`Farmers in the Bernese Oberland also awoke to snow-related problems. Damaged fences allowed their cows to wander freely.`According to MeteoNews, the Swiss lowlands received the most snow for any October since records began in 1931. Zurich received 20cm, beating a record of 14cm set in 1939.

Meanwhile first October snow fell in London in 74 years as Arctic blast swept across UK. One man was killed and thousands were left without power today after inches of snow fell across the country overnight. Just two days after the end of British Summertime, the first snowfall of the year saw a lorry driver killed when his vehicle collided with another lorry on the M40 in Buckinghamshire. Tonnes of lard being carried in one of the lorries was left strewn over all six lanes of the motorway causing long delays. But thousands of homes were without power in Bedfordshire, Hertfordshire and Buckinghamshire after two inches of snow damaged high voltage cables in temperatures of minus 4C. The icy conditions also brought chaos to the roads across the South, Midlands and East Anglia. And commuter trains ground to a halt when snow fell off overhanging branches onto the lines. While the wintry dusting soon vanished in Wednesday’s sunshine and showers, more snow was forecast for Wales last night. The last time snow settled on London in October, Britain was in the midst of an economic depression, the prime minister was losing his grip on power and Spurs were at the start of a season that would see them relegated from top flight football. While the capital woke to its first October blanketing since 1934, the rest of the South had its first pre-Halloween snowfalls since the 1970s. The unseasonal flurries, caused by a blast of air from the Arctic, were welcomed by millions of children in the middle of their half-term holidays.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on October 31, 2008, 10:46:08 PM
NOAA: U.S. breaks or ties 115 cold and sets 63 new snowfall records

Of course many of you that live in this weather already know this, but there is an early start to winter this year, not only in the USA, but also in London, where it snowed in October for the first time in over 70 years.

So far, no mention of this broadly distributed U.S. record event in the mainstream media. There are a few individual mentions or record lows in Florida. See this Google News search.

Here, from NOAA’s  National Climatic Data Center (NCDC), is a list of these new or tied records for October 29th, 2008.

I find the -25 below in Alaska interesting, since it bested the old record by 4 degrees.

Here are the 115 new or tied low temperature records:

The table below has been formatting to fit the blog, Here is a direct link to the original data from NCDC

See the following link for the rest of the data:

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/10/30/chill-in-the-air-part-2-us-breaks-or-ties-115-of-cold-and-sets-63-new-snowfall-records/#more-3883



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on November 01, 2008, 10:49:28 AM
Hailstorm swamps small town in 6-foot drifts
'There was a river of ice coming down the street. It was a total freak of nature'

These astonishing scenes are the aftermath of a deluge of hailstones that buried a town in a river of ice.

Ottery St Mary, in Devon, was plunged into chaos by the storm in the early hours yesterday.

First, the area was battered by an astonishing 12in of hail in just two hours. This blocked drains, which led to widespread flooding as the rain began to fall.

More than 100 people had to be evacuated from their homes and 25 were airlifted to safety or rescued by firefighters.

After a day of heavy rain on Wednesday more than three inches of rain and hail fell between 6pm and 8am yesterday morning.

The Met Office said the 'hugely localised' weather system was less than 4 miles across and seemed ' to be centred on Ottery St Mary'.

The most severe weather hit just after midnight on Thursday but by 5am the entire town was cut off and coastguards scrambled helicopters to airlift residents.

Emergency services were inundated with calls from terrified home owners who watched helplessly as flood water rose to 5ft high in some places, and there were fears that hundreds of animals may have been killed in the floods.

Residents in Ottery St Mary said the town was unrecognisable after the hail storm..

Sarah Galliford said: 'I was woken up by the sound of hailstones thundering down on the roof. I thought it was the end of the world. I looked outside at about 1am and there was a river of ice coming down the street. It was a total freak of nature. It wasn't even on the weather forecast. They said there would be rain but nothing like this. It was absolutely crazy.'

Clara Pedmore added: 'There is 2ft 6ins of water on the road. I can't get out of the house.One farm nearby has lost about 500 sheep which were out in fields which are now completely underwater.'

Emergency crews also sent in jeeps and fire appliances and boats to take residents to an evacuation centre at the local hospital.

Tony Fabry, who runs the town's post office, said: 'At one point I was watching beer barrels, sandwich boards and even a children's slide floating down the road.

 'It was absolutely horrendous. It was a nightmare and it happened so quickly. The drains became blocked with hail and so when the snow melted it was just a deluge.'

David Garland, whose home was completely flooded, said: 'It happened in a matter of minutes and all of a sudden the whole house was deluged. I didn't have time to save anything at all because it happened so quickly. Everything was ruined.'

Fire crews rescued an elderly couple at 10.30am who were stranded on the roof of their car. The two pensioners had scrambled on top of their vehicle after they became trapped and the car started to quickly fill with water.

Susanne Reed from Devon and Somerset Fire and Rescue Service said: 'It has been absolute chaos. It started just after midnight when we were out rescuing people stuck in their cars in flood water. It got worse and worse and one of our own crews got stuck in a 6ft hail drift. We have been rescuing people constantly.' 

The Environment Agency said an 'unforeseeable and freakish' combination of factors had led to the extreme conditions in Ottery St Mary.

A spokesman said the area was 'pelted' by extremely heavy hail and rain which triggered the floods and bizarre ice-logged landscape.

He said: 'What we've seen is a very unusual combination of extreme weather - and circumstances that were unforeseeable and freakish. The heavy hail and rain seem to have solidified into what looks more like snow than anything else - it is not the normal sort of hail you would encounter.

'This is likely to have contributed to the problem by blocking drains and culverts along with other debris.'

A spokesman for Devon and Somerset Fire and Rescue Service added: 'Around 1ft of hail fell in just two hours between 1am and 3am. Cars in the town were left tightly packed in ice and the drains were blocked meaning the water had nowhere to go.

The surrounding villages of Awliscombe, Rockbeare and Newton were also affected.

An evacuation centre was set up at Ottery St Mary Hospital, where people who were flooded out of their homes received care and shelter.

Police say scores of minor roads in East Devon were closed by landslips, standing water or flood damage and motorists were urged not to make journeys.

The town had been preparing for a carnival this weekend, ahead of its annual Tar Barrel Rolling festival on 5 November - but its bonfire was flooded out.

___________


The House of Commons debated Global Warming during this time. The Climate Change Bill pledges the UK to reduce its carbon dioxide emissions by 80 per cent by 2050. The bill creates an enormous bureaucratic apparatus for monitoring and reporting, which was expanded at the last minute.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on November 05, 2008, 08:01:53 PM
A MAJOR WINTER STORM SYSTEM FOR NORTH DAKOTA...

A STRONG LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM IN SOUTHEASTERN SOUTH DAKOTA WILL MOVE TO CENTRAL MINNESOTA BY FRIDAY. THIS SLOW MOVING STORM WILL BRING BLIZZARD CONDITIONS TO SOUTHWEST AND SOUTH CENTRAL NORTH DAKOTA TONIGHT ... THURSDAY ... AND THURSDAY NIGHT. SIX TO TWELVE INCHES OF SNOW...WIND GUSTS TO 50 MPH...AND VISIBILITIES NEAR ZERO ARE LIKELY DURING THE HEIGHT OF THE STORM.

DANGEROUS WINTER WEATHER WILL ALSO STRIKE NORTHWEST AND NORTH CENTRAL NORTH DAKOTA TONIGHT THROUGH THURSDAY NIGHT... WITH 4 TO 8 INCHES OF SNOW...WINDS TO 40 MPH AND GREATLY REDUCED VISIBILITIES. THESE DANGEROUS CONDITIONS WILL LIKELY MOVE EAST INTO THE JAMES RIVER AREA THURSDAY.

TRAVEL WILL LIKELY BECOME IMPOSSIBLE IN THE SOUTHWEST AND SOUTH CENTRAL BY DAYBREAK THURSDAY.

PLEASE RECONSIDER TRAVEL PLANS AND MAKE OTHER PREPARATIONS FOR THE STORM. IF YOU MUST TRAVEL...HAVE A WINTER SURVIVAL KIT WITH YOU. IF YOU GET STRANDED...STAY WITH YOUR VEHICLE.
 Nebraska had approximately 56 cooling degree days during September 2008.  The state normally has 96 cooling degree days during that month which indicates that the weather was 42 percent cooler than normal for September.

BARROW, AK RECORDED 23.2 INCHES OF SNOWFALL FOR THE MONTH...THIS BREAKS THE ALL TIME MONTHLY RECORD OF 21.2 INCHES SET BACK IN OCTOBER 1925.

THE MONTHLY SNOW TOTAL WAS MORE THAN 3 TIMES THE NORMAL OF 7.4 INCHES OF SNOW FOR THE MONTH...THERE WAS 1 INCH OR MORE OF SNOW ON 7 DAYS DURING THE MONTH...MORE THEN FOUR TIMES THE NORMAL OF 1.6 DAYS...THERE WAS AT LEAST A TRACE OF SNOWFALL ON ALL 31 DAYS OF THE MONTH WITH MEASURABLE SNOW ON 28 OF THOSE DAYS.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on November 06, 2008, 10:03:14 AM
Blizzard warning now extended into South Dakota

The Rapid City, SD area is under a blizzard warning. Rapid City had a blizzard back on May 2nd and now one on November 5th. Six months between blizzards. Amazing isn't it? That makes for a long snow season.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on November 06, 2008, 09:36:37 PM
Blizzard blasts the Plains; parts of I-90 closed

The season's first major blizzard pounded the Dakotas and parts of Wyoming and Nebraska Thursday with wind gusts approaching 80 mph.

Schools were shut down, highways closed and power was knocked out across the region.

In western South Dakota, blizzard conditions prompted the closing of a section of Interstate 90, and no-travel advisories were in effect in several counties.

Strong winds and heavy snowfall "are causing near zero visibility in some areas," said Capt. Kevin Karley of the South Dakota Highway Patrol.

Wind gusts of 78 mph were reported in Rapid City, S.D., and 38.5 inches of snow had fallen on nearby Deadwood, S.D., according to a blizzard warning issued by the National Weather Service.

"It's nasty," said Zane "Grizz" Holcomb, who operates a buffalo ranch southeast of Camp Crook, S.D., in the state's northwest corner. "Nobody's moving unless they have to."

Whiteout conditions are likely over much of the state Thursday, according to the weather service.

A 180-mile stretch of Interstate 90 — the main east-west route across South Dakota — was closed from Murdo to the Wyoming state line.

A snowcat — a tank-like vehicle that runs on tracks — was being used to rescue motorists stranded on the highway, Karley said.

"So far, we've been able to get to the people who are stranded," he said. "We're slowly working to get those people to safety."

Karley didn't know the exact number of motorists rescued but said it was in the dozens. "We've got zero sight distance," he said. "When we're out on the highway, we can't see."

The South Dakota Department of Public Safety was warning motorists not to travel on any roads in seven counties: Lawrence, Butte, Meade, Jackson, Jones, Custer and Pennington, which includes Rapid City, the state's second-largest city.

The high winds whipping the snow around were creating the whiteout conditions and making travel treacherous as the storm pushed east, said Philip Schumacher, a meteorologist at the National Weather Service in Sioux Falls.

The city was expecting far less snow than areas to the west, around 1 to 3 inches, Schumacher said.

"For Sioux Falls, we're expecting precipitation to change over to snow after the evening rush hour," he said.

Blizzard warnings also were issued for parts of North Dakota, including the city of Bismarck.

In Dunn County, in the southwestern part of the state, road foreman Eldon Rohde said the wind was blowing about 40 mph and estimated about 4 inches of snow had already piled up by Thursday morning.

Hunters were hoping the weather wouldn't damper the start of deer season, which starts Friday, said Dean Evanson, owner of Dean's Meat Market in Dickinson, N.D.

"It's almost like a national holiday up here when deer season starts," he said.

Many hunters have already taken vacation time for the hunt, Evanson said.

Evanson said he was keeping his business open and tried to remain optimistic. "It could be a lot worse," he said.

Nebraska Public Power District said more than 2,600 customers in the town of Scottsbluff lost their electricity Wednesday. More than 1,100 were still without power Thursday morning.

A line failure northwestern Nebraska also cut power to the small town of Pine Ridge, S.D., just across the state line. About 1,250 customers there were without power Wednesday night.

The National Weather Service issued a winter storm warning for the northwest corner of Nebraska. Wind with gusts up to 60 mph were forecast, along with snowfall of up to 5 inches.

In Wyoming, Chester Hejde, 78, said the storm is close to the worst he's seen in his lifetime.

"A neighbor drove over here and he says he didn't know where he was, and he's lived here all his life," said Hejde, who operates the Bunkhouse Bed and Breakfast about 20 miles northeast of Sundance, Wyo. "We're just socked in here."


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on November 07, 2008, 11:41:11 AM

Flood warnings in effect for three rivers; rain keeps falling

Rain continues to fall in the Seattle area this morning and flood warnings are in effect for the Skokomish, Snoqualmie and Tolt rivers. Flood watches were issued for other rivers around Puget Sound.

Rain continues to fall in the Seattle area this morning and flood warnings are in effect for the Skokomish, Snoqualmie and Tolt rivers.

Flood watches were issued for other rivers around Puget Sound.

The National Weather Service said periods of heavy rainfall are expected through tonight.

In the Seattle region, temperatures are expected to reach a high of 57 degrees today, with a low of 50. The forecast predicts a 70 percent chance of rain for Saturday with temperatures reaching a high of 55 degrees.

More than an inch or rain fell Thursday in Seattle and a low-pressure system that stalled over Western Washington is expected to continue to bring more rain.

Meteorologists say the wet weather should come as no surprise.

"This is the time of year, and it's not unusual at all," said meteorologist Dennis D'Amico in the National Weather Service's Seattle office.

The flood warnings were issued for Snoqualmie, Tolt and Skokomish rivers, but no flooding has been reported as of early this morning.

The Weather Service warned that fallen leaves combined with heavy rains can clog street drains, increasing the chance of flooding in low areas in Western Washington cities.

Boaters and beachgoers in Western Washington were advised to use extreme caution through Monday in light of the wet and potentially hazardous weather predictions. According to the Weather Service, swollen rivers can contain dangerous debris.

The Coast Guard on Thursday issued a recommendation for vessel owners to check moorings and secure vessels for bad weather. Heavy rains can flood boats and even cause sinking in extreme cases. Boats should be protected and adequately covered when moored to prevent flooding.

The Coast Guard also advises boaters and beachgoers to check weather forecasts before heading out and to be aware that storms can come up quickly and without warning. Sudden, powerful waves can engulf an entire beach, knocking people down or throwing them violently against nearby rocks. Once in the water, strong currents can pull people out to sea. Waves breaking on the beach can also toss driftwood or debris on beachgoers.

High tides can trap people on rock formations and in coves. Beachgoers should always let someone know where they plan to walk and get another person to accompany them.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on November 07, 2008, 11:42:21 AM
Winter arrives – snow falling in parts of Inland Northwest


Low lying areas of the Inland Northwest had their first brush with the coming winter as snow was reported in northern parts of the region Thursday.

A wintry mix of rain and snow was evident at many locations, while snow accumulated in valleys of mountainous areas of northeast Washington and North Idaho.

A state transportation traffic camera showed a light accumulation of snow at Metaline Falls, and mountain passes also had snow falling. Snow was reported in Bonners Ferry and Sandpoint where the temperature hovered at 32 degrees at midafternoon.

Accumulations of up to 5 inches at elevations of 3,500 to 4,000 feet were expected overnight. Snow levels are expected to rise overnight with the precipitation changing to all rain even at higher elevations in the region as cold air is scoured by an incoming storm with milder subtropical moisture.

On Thursday, snow also was reported in the West Plains and north of Spokane, said Vern Ballard of the National Weather Service.

Colville reported some of the flakes, as did residents in Medical Lake and Cheney. Transportation department cameras showed no accumulations in those areas by afternoon. The snowfall came after nearly a foot of fresh snow fell at Mount Spokane earlier in the week with accumulations also occurring at other ski resorts in the region. The snow raises the possibility of early ski resort openings this month. After rain in the mountains today, the forecast calls for a return to snowy conditions in the mountains as a series of weaker, but cooler storms moves in off the Pacific Ocean.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on November 07, 2008, 11:48:09 AM
There is snow in the forecast for tonight as far south as Springfield, IL and maybe further south than that.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on November 08, 2008, 12:59:48 AM
 Blizzard pounds South Dakota
20-foot snowdrifts reported
Now moving eastward

   
With snow coming down at the rate of 3 inches per hour, an early winter blizzard has already dropped 45.7 inches of snow near Deadwood, in the northern Black Hills. Many areas have received 10 inches to 2 feet of snow, and 20-foot snowdrifts have been reported on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation in the southwestern corner of the state. 

Officials closed a long stretch of Interstate 90 through South Dakota where dozens of vehicles were trapped, some for more than 24 hours. Search teams can't get to them because of zero visibility.

Top speed for some rescue crews was as little as a half-mile per hour, said Tom Dravland, state Public Safety secretary

"We got 4-foot drifts in some places," said Terry Sarlsland, street superintendent in Bowman, N.D

Officials warned that the storm will keep causing problems as it moves eastward today.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on November 11, 2008, 12:27:29 PM
 Antarctic Ice Sheet growing enough
to lower sea levels

Arctic Sea Ice Growing at Fastest Rate
in Recorded History

An abnormally cool Arctic is seeing dramatic changes to ice levels. The total amount of ice, which set a record low last year, grew in October at the fastest pace since record-keeping began in 1979, bringing ice back to levels from the 1980s.

Some researchers, not surprisingly, say the rapid increase is "no big deal". While admitting that the Arctic has certainly been colder in recent months, they say the long-term decrease is still ongoing and see nothing in the recent data to contradict predictions of global warming.

Others aren't so sure. Dr. Patrick Michaels, Professor of Environmental Science at the University of Virginia, says he sees some "very odd" things occurring in recent years. The Southern Hemisphere can't be explained by current theory, says Michaels. "The models predict a warming ocean around Antarctica, so why would we see more sea ice?" Large areas of the Southern Pacific are showing cooling trends, an occurrence not anticipated by any current climate model, Michaels adds.

On average, ice covers roughly 7% of the ocean surface of the planet. Sea ice is floating and therefore doesn't affect sea level like the ice anchored on bedrock in Antarctica or Greenland. However, research has indicated that the Antarctic continent -- which is on a long-term cooling trend -- has also been gaining ice in recent years.


           Did you catch that? “The Antarctic continent -- which  is on a
           long-term cooling trend – has also been gaining ice in recent
           years.” Where are the breathless headlines in the world's news-
           papers announcing this fact?


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on November 11, 2008, 12:28:57 PM
Utah ski resort opens early as 46 inches
of snow piles up! --
'Second-earliest start in 38 years'

Tuesday's snowstorm kicked off a five-day accumulation that has reached about 46 inches of snow, allowing Snowbird Ski Resort to open Friday, the second-earliest start in the resort's 38-year history. The resort didn't open until Nov. 28 last year.

Snowbird is the only resort open so far, giving skiers and snowboarders a head start on the season. Most resorts typically open after Thanksgiving.

The Aerial Tram, as well as the Gadzoom and Mid-Gad lifts, were open on Friday and open terrain included Regulator Johnson from the top of Hidden Peak, as well as Big Emma and Bassackwards.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: HisDaughter on November 11, 2008, 12:45:05 PM
They'll ignore it though unless it makes them money.  Amazing that greed can figure out a way to make money on the weather!


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on November 12, 2008, 02:04:34 PM
Rain, snow halts North Dakota row crop harvest

Fargo, North Dakota - The Agriculture Department says rain and snow halted row crop harvest progress, and added that some farmers don't expect to get back into the field until next spring because of heavy snow and rain last week.

The agency says the corn harvest was 23 percent complete, compared with 88 percent last year and the long-term average of 81 percent.


2008 Temperatures Below Normal Most of USA. See map:

http://www.iceagenow.com/2008_Temps_Below_Normal.htm



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on November 12, 2008, 02:14:18 PM
Flooding closes Mount Rainier National Park

Mount Rainier National Park has closed because of flooding. Heavy rain caused a creek to flow over Nisqually Road, the main road in the southwest corner of the park.

Park Superintendent Dave Uberuaga announced the closure this morning after Kautz Creek overflowed, covering the road with more than six inches of water and making travel unsafe.

The park is closed at the Nisqually entrance (roads on the east and northwest sides of the park already are closed for the winter season), meaning there is no access to the popular Paradise visitor area on the mountain's south side or the National Park Inn at Longmire. The park is anticipating continued heavy rain today with a snow level of 9,000 feet.

Mount Rainier National Park suffered extensive flood in November 2006, including at Kautz Creek. "We hope this current flooding will not damage the road and we will be able to reopen as soon as the rain tapers off and the water level drops," said Uberuaga.

A rain storm has filled Western Washington rivers again and the National Weather Service is warning of flooding.

East of the Cascades, forecasters say the storm Wednesday also will bring heavy rain and winds.

The flood warnings include the Skagit River reaching some residential areas around Mount Vernon and the Snohomish River overtopping levees near Snohomish. In most cases Western Washington flooding covers pastures and low-lying roads.

Other rivers with warnings include the Satsop, Nooksack, Stillaguamish, Skykomish, Tolt, Snoqualmie, Cedar, Carbon, Puyallup and Deschutes.

After earlier rain this month, most soils in Western Washington are saturated and the National Weather Service says there's a risk of landslides.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on November 12, 2008, 02:35:01 PM
Blogger Again Finds Error in NASA Climate Data


GISS’s October Data. The large reddish-brown area in Russia is actually September readings.  Amateur team finds NASA error similar to one they discovered a year ago.NASA’S Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) is one of the world’s primary sources for climate data. GISS issues regular updates on world temperatures based on their analysis of temperature readings from thousands of monitoring stations over the globe. GISS� most recent data release originally reported last October as being extraordinarily warm-- a full 0.78C above normal. This would have made it the warmest October on record; a huge increase over the previous month’s data.

Those results set off alarm bells with Steve McIntyre and his gang of Baker Street irregulars at Climateaudit.org. They noted that NASA’s data didn’t agree at all with the satellite temperature record, which showed October to be very mild, continuing the same trend of slight cooling that has persisted since 1998. So they dug a little deeper. McKintyre, the same man who found errors last year in GISS’s US temperature record, quickly noted that most of the temperature increase was coming from Russia. A chart of world temperatures showed that in October, most of Russia, the largest nation on Earth, was not only registering hot, but literally off the scale.

Yet anecdotal reports were suggesting that October was actually slightly colder than normal. Could there be another error in GISS’s data? An alert reader on McKintyre’s blog revealed that there was a very large problem. Looking at the actual readings from individual stations in Russia showed a curious anomaly. The locations had all been assigned the exact temperatures from a month earlier-- the much warmer month of September. Russia cools very rapidly in the fall months, so recycling the data from the earlier month had led to a massive temperature increase. A few locations in Ireland were also found to be using September data. Steve McKintyre informed GISS of the error by email.

According to McKintyre, there was no response, but within “about an hour”, GISS pulled down the erroneous data, citing a “mishap” and pointing the finger of blame upstream to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Adminstration (NOAA). NOAA’s Deputy Director of Communications, Scott Smullens, tells DailyTech that NOAA is responsible only for temperature readings in the US, not those in other nations.The error not only affected October data, but due to the complex algorithm GISS uses to convert actual temperature readings into their output results, altered the previously published values for several other months as well. The values for August 2008, for instance, changed by 0.11C and the global anomaly as far back as 2005 increased by a hundredth of a degree.

GISS is run by Dr. James Hansen, a strident global warming advocate who has accused oil companies of “crimes against humanity”.  Hansen recently made headlines when he travelled to London to testify on behalf of a group of environmentalists who had damaged a coal plant in protest against global warming. Hansen also serves as science advisor to Al Gore. Dr. Hansen could not be reached for comment.

Another government employee that needs to be charged with “crimes against humanity” right along with Gore and many other environmentalists.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on November 13, 2008, 12:04:30 PM
Record snowfall in Europe and North America -
ski resorts open early

A series of snowstorms since early November in North America and late October in Europe has enabled several ski resorts to open ahead of schedule.

The Italian resort of Bormio opened a month early after heavy snowfalls at the end of October and start of November delivered 50 inches to the resort's upper slopes.

Hintertux, in Austria, already boasting 60 inches of snow, expects a further 30 inches over the next few days. Obergurgl, which expects 25 inches of snow midweek, is set to open on Friday.

In Switzerland, Zermatt already has more than two metres of snow on its upper slopes, while Saas Fee has 75 inches. Both resorts expect a further 20 inches this week.

More heavy snow is forecast for many resorts across Austria, Switzerland and Italy this week.

Geilo, in Norway, has also opened three weeks early with a 25-inch base.

The Scottish resorts of Cairngorm and The Lecht have seen some early flurries and were briefly open at the start of November.   

The U.S. resort of Snowbird, in Utah, opened last Friday - the second earliest start in the resort's 38-year history - after 35 inches of snow over the weekend. Parts of America's west coast has received significant snowfalls recently and it looks like mid-winter rather than autumn in many resorts,' said a spokesman for the Ski Club of Great Britain.

Other resorts to open early include Mammoth, in California, which opened 10 days early. Skiers who headed to its slopes last weekend were rewarded with 15ins of fresh powder.

Mount Norquay, in Canada - part of Banff's Big Three ski area, along with Lake Louise and Sunshine Village - opened almost three weeks early.   


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on November 14, 2008, 02:48:07 PM
British newspaper publishes prediction
of coming ice age

“Scientists now say global warming is not the problem. We are actually heading for the next Ice Age, they claim. British and Canadian experts warned the big freeze could bury the east of Britain in 6,000ft of ice.

“Most of Scotland, Northern Ireland and England could be covered in 3,000ft-thick ice fields. The expanses could reach 6,000ft from Aberdeen to Kent -towering above Ben Nevis, Britain’s tallest mountain. And what's more, the experts blame the global change on falling - rather than climbing - levels of greenhouse gases.

              Falling levels of greenhouse gasses! That’s interesting. I thought
              there was supposed to be a consensus.

“Lead author Thomas Crowley from the University of Edinburgh and Canadian colleague William Hyde say that currently vilified greenhouse gases - such as carbon dioxide- could actually be the key to averting the chill. The warning, published in the authoritative journal Nature, is based on records of tiny marine fossils and the earth’s shifting orbit.

“The Earth has seen dramatic climate fluctuations – veering between cold and warm extremes - over the past three million years, the researchers say.

“And changes in the Earth’s orbit and slowly falling levels of carbon dioxide are the cause.
When actually CO2 levels are still increasing.

               Wait. Changes in the Earth’s orbit? Do they mean that this might be
               connected to a natural cycle?

“The team says we are approaching a turning point, in the next 10,000 to 100,000 years, which will lead to the new ice sheets smothering much of Europe, Asia and South America.

              I think they're off on their timing by 10,000 to 100,000 years, but what's
              a few years among friends.

“The theory, which is based on computer models, suggests ice sheets will also slash sea levels by up to 300m, so Russia and Alaska will be connected by land.

“The North Sea will become part of a huge glacier stretching from Holland and Scandinavia to the Russian Far East.”

               Except for the timing, this is what I’ve been saying all along.
               Kudos to the scientists for daring to publish this.
               Kudos to Nature for daring to publish this.
               Kudos to the Daily Mail for daring to publish this.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on November 14, 2008, 02:53:16 PM
I-90 From Rapid City To WY Border Closed

Authorities on Friday closed Interstate 90 from Rapid City to the Wyoming state line.

Wind gusts to 50 mph have been reported in the Rapid City area, blowing snow and creating near-zero visibility.
A portion of state Highway 34; U.S. Highway 14A through the northern Black Hills; and U.S. Highway 85 from Wyoming to I-90 were placed under no-travel advisories.

Authorities say the region has wet, slippery driving conditions.

Temperatures were in the upper 20s to lower 30s around noon.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on November 16, 2008, 03:14:58 PM
Global warming gaffe discredits Al Gore ally
Error brings out NASA confession that temperature stats aren't quality controlled

A surreal scientific blunder last week raised a huge question mark about the temperature records that underpin the worldwide alarm over global warming. On Monday, Nasa's Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS), which is run by Al Gore's chief scientific ally, Dr James Hansen, and is one of four bodies responsible for monitoring global temperatures, announced that last month was the hottest October on record.

This was startling. Across the world there were reports of unseasonal snow and plummeting temperatures last month, from the American Great Plains to China, and from the Alps to New Zealand. China's official news agency reported that Tibet had suffered its "worst snowstorm ever". In the US, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration registered 63 local snowfall records and 115 lowest-ever temperatures for the month, and ranked it as only the 70th-warmest October in 114 years.

So what explained the anomaly? GISS's computerised temperature maps seemed to show readings across a large part of Russia had been up to 10 degrees higher than normal. But when expert readers of the two leading warming-sceptic blogs, Watts Up With That and Climate Audit, began detailed analysis of the GISS data they made an astonishing discovery. The reason for the freak figures was that scores of temperature records from Russia and elsewhere were not based on October readings at all. Figures from the previous month had simply been carried over and repeated two months running.

The error was so glaring that when it was reported on the two blogs - run by the US meteorologist Anthony Watts and Steve McIntyre, the Canadian computer analyst who won fame for his expert debunking of the notorious "hockey stick" graph - GISS began hastily revising its figures. This only made the confusion worse because, to compensate for the lowered temperatures in Russia, GISS claimed to have discovered a new "hotspot" in the Arctic - in a month when satellite images were showing Arctic sea-ice recovering so fast from its summer melt that three weeks ago it was 30 per cent more extensive than at the same time last year.

A GISS spokesman lamely explained that the reason for the error in the Russian figures was that they were obtained from another body, and that GISS did not have resources to exercise proper quality control over the data it was supplied with. This is an astonishing admission: the figures published by Dr Hansen's institute are not only one of the four data sets that the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) relies on to promote its case for global warming, but they are the most widely quoted, since they consistently show higher temperatures than the others.

If there is one scientist more responsible than any other for the alarm over global warming it is Dr Hansen, who set the whole scare in train back in 1988 with his testimony to a US Senate committee chaired by Al Gore. Again and again, Dr Hansen has been to the fore in making extreme claims over the dangers of climate change. (He was recently in the news here for supporting the Greenpeace activists acquitted of criminally damaging a coal-fired power station in Kent, on the grounds that the harm done to the planet by a new power station would far outweigh any damage they had done themselves.)

Yet last week's latest episode is far from the first time Dr Hansen's methodology has been called in question. In 2007 he was forced by Mr Watts and Mr McIntyre to revise his published figures for US surface temperatures, to show that the hottest decade of the 20th century was not the 1990s, as he had claimed, but the 1930s.

Another of his close allies is Dr Rajendra Pachauri, chairman of the IPCC, who recently startled a university audience in Australia by claiming that global temperatures have recently been rising "very much faster" than ever, in front of a graph showing them rising sharply in the past decade. In fact, as many of his audience were aware, they have not been rising in recent years and since 2007 have dropped.

Dr Pachauri, a former railway engineer with no qualifications in climate science, may believe what Dr Hansen tells him. But whether, on the basis of such evidence, it is wise for the world's governments to embark on some of the most costly economic measures ever proposed, to remedy a problem which may actually not exist, is a question which should give us all pause for thought.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: HisDaughter on November 16, 2008, 06:13:19 PM
Global warming gaffe discredits Al Gore ally
Error brings out NASA confession that temperature stats aren't quality controlled

A surreal scientific blunder last week raised a huge question mark about the temperature records that underpin the worldwide alarm over global warming. On Monday, Nasa's Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS), which is run by Al Gore's chief scientific ally, Dr James Hansen, and is one of four bodies responsible for monitoring global temperatures, announced that last month was the hottest October on record.

This was startling. Across the world there were reports of unseasonal snow and plummeting temperatures last month, from the American Great Plains to China, and from the Alps to New Zealand. China's official news agency reported that Tibet had suffered its "worst snowstorm ever". In the US, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration registered 63 local snowfall records and 115 lowest-ever temperatures for the month, and ranked it as only the 70th-warmest October in 114 years.

So what explained the anomaly? GISS's computerised temperature maps seemed to show readings across a large part of Russia had been up to 10 degrees higher than normal. But when expert readers of the two leading warming-sceptic blogs, Watts Up With That and Climate Audit, began detailed analysis of the GISS data they made an astonishing discovery. The reason for the freak figures was that scores of temperature records from Russia and elsewhere were not based on October readings at all. Figures from the previous month had simply been carried over and repeated two months running.

The error was so glaring that when it was reported on the two blogs - run by the US meteorologist Anthony Watts and Steve McIntyre, the Canadian computer analyst who won fame for his expert debunking of the notorious "hockey stick" graph - GISS began hastily revising its figures. This only made the confusion worse because, to compensate for the lowered temperatures in Russia, GISS claimed to have discovered a new "hotspot" in the Arctic - in a month when satellite images were showing Arctic sea-ice recovering so fast from its summer melt that three weeks ago it was 30 per cent more extensive than at the same time last year.

A GISS spokesman lamely explained that the reason for the error in the Russian figures was that they were obtained from another body, and that GISS did not have resources to exercise proper quality control over the data it was supplied with. This is an astonishing admission: the figures published by Dr Hansen's institute are not only one of the four data sets that the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) relies on to promote its case for global warming, but they are the most widely quoted, since they consistently show higher temperatures than the others.

If there is one scientist more responsible than any other for the alarm over global warming it is Dr Hansen, who set the whole scare in train back in 1988 with his testimony to a US Senate committee chaired by Al Gore. Again and again, Dr Hansen has been to the fore in making extreme claims over the dangers of climate change. (He was recently in the news here for supporting the Greenpeace activists acquitted of criminally damaging a coal-fired power station in Kent, on the grounds that the harm done to the planet by a new power station would far outweigh any damage they had done themselves.)

Yet last week's latest episode is far from the first time Dr Hansen's methodology has been called in question. In 2007 he was forced by Mr Watts and Mr McIntyre to revise his published figures for US surface temperatures, to show that the hottest decade of the 20th century was not the 1990s, as he had claimed, but the 1930s.

Another of his close allies is Dr Rajendra Pachauri, chairman of the IPCC, who recently startled a university audience in Australia by claiming that global temperatures have recently been rising "very much faster" than ever, in front of a graph showing them rising sharply in the past decade. In fact, as many of his audience were aware, they have not been rising in recent years and since 2007 have dropped.

Dr Pachauri, a former railway engineer with no qualifications in climate science, may believe what Dr Hansen tells him. But whether, on the basis of such evidence, it is wise for the world's governments to embark on some of the most costly economic measures ever proposed, to remedy a problem which may actually not exist, is a question which should give us all pause for thought.



This is actually funny and should be in "Laughter" section!  It's like "Dumb and Dumber" or it just gets dumb and dumber.

(http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x125/luvmarley_bucket/super_smilies007.gif)


(http://i496.photobucket.com/albums/rr328/slypuck3/Al_gore_planet.jpg)


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: HisDaughter on November 16, 2008, 06:25:40 PM
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f383/MomTo2Sons/np_gore_fruit_t.jpg)

I just couldn't help myself....


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on November 16, 2008, 07:40:11 PM
Those images are quite funny and yet very fitting. It may not be in the laughter section but at least it's in the Entertainment area.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on November 16, 2008, 08:02:49 PM
Al Gore and Dr James Hansen


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/randers/cox_cold_protest.jpg)



Title: The world has never seen such freezing heat
Post by: Shammu on November 16, 2008, 08:48:15 PM
The world has never seen such freezing heat

By Christopher Booker
16/11/2008

A surreal scientific blunder last week raised a huge question mark about the temperature records that underpin the worldwide alarm over global warming. On Monday, Nasa's Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS), which is run by Al Gore's chief scientific ally, Dr James Hansen, and is one of four bodies responsible for monitoring global temperatures, announced that last month was the hottest October on record.

This was startling. Across the world there were reports of unseasonal snow and plummeting temperatures last month, from the American Great Plains to China, and from the Alps to New Zealand. China's official news agency reported that Tibet had suffered its "worst snowstorm ever". In the US, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration registered 63 local snowfall records and 115 lowest-ever temperatures for the month, and ranked it as only the 70th-warmest October in 114 years.

So what explained the anomaly? GISS's computerised temperature maps seemed to show readings across a large part of Russia had been up to 10 degrees higher than normal. But when expert readers of the two leading warming-sceptic blogs, Watts Up With That and Climate Audit, began detailed analysis of the GISS data they made an astonishing discovery. The reason for the freak figures was that scores of temperature records from Russia and elsewhere were not based on October readings at all. Figures from the previous month had simply been carried over and repeated two months running.

The error was so glaring that when it was reported on the two blogs - run by the US meteorologist Anthony Watts and Steve McIntyre, the Canadian computer analyst who won fame for his expert debunking of the notorious "hockey stick" graph - GISS began hastily revising its figures. This only made the confusion worse because, to compensate for the lowered temperatures in Russia, GISS claimed to have discovered a new "hotspot" in the Arctic - in a month when satellite images were showing Arctic sea-ice recovering so fast from its summer melt that three weeks ago it was 30 per cent more extensive than at the same time last year.

A GISS spokesman lamely explained that the reason for the error in the Russian figures was that they were obtained from another body, and that GISS did not have resources to exercise proper quality control over the data it was supplied with. This is an astonishing admission: the figures published by Dr Hansen's institute are not only one of the four data sets that the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) relies on to promote its case for global warming, but they are the most widely quoted, since they consistently show higher temperatures than the others.

If there is one scientist more responsible than any other for the alarm over global warming it is Dr Hansen, who set the whole scare in train back in 1988 with his testimony to a US Senate committee chaired by Al Gore. Again and again, Dr Hansen has been to the fore in making extreme claims over the dangers of climate change. (He was recently in the news here for supporting the Greenpeace activists acquitted of criminally damaging a coal-fired power station in Kent, on the grounds that the harm done to the planet by a new power station would far outweigh any damage they had done themselves.)

Yet last week's latest episode is far from the first time Dr Hansen's methodology has been called in question. In 2007 he was forced by Mr Watts and Mr McIntyre to revise his published figures for US surface temperatures, to show that the hottest decade of the 20th century was not the 1990s, as he had claimed, but the 1930s.

Another of his close allies is Dr Rajendra Pachauri, chairman of the IPCC, who recently startled a university audience in Australia by claiming that global temperatures have recently been rising "very much faster" than ever, in front of a graph showing them rising sharply in the past decade. In fact, as many of his audience were aware, they have not been rising in recent years and since 2007 have dropped.

Dr Pachauri, a former railway engineer with no qualifications in climate science, may believe what Dr Hansen tells him. But whether, on the basis of such evidence, it is wise for the world's governments to embark on some of the most costly economic measures ever proposed, to remedy a problem which may actually not exist, is a question which should give us all pause for thought.

 The world has never seen such freezing heat (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2008/11/16/do1610.xml)


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on November 16, 2008, 08:55:04 PM
Quote
The world has never seen such freezing heat

LOL ... that post has gotten a lot of exposure here in this thread.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on November 17, 2008, 01:39:07 PM
The global warming alarmists are getting desperate. With forecasts such as we have now where the high temps are 5 to 15 degrees below average and getting higher than normal snowfalls around the world they have to do something to attempt to save their jobs and prove that they were not wrong. This is one of the reasons that they have changed the words "global warming" to "climate change".

What is really pathetic is the Weather Channel. They just gave the weather forecast saying the temps were going to be well below average for this coming week nationwide with some areas getting above average amounts of snow then immediately went into a show talking about how dangerous global warming is for us all and what we need to do to prevent it. It really does give a person great confidence in what they are reporting (NOT!)



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: HisDaughter on November 17, 2008, 08:19:32 PM
Film-makers taking on our 'global warming hysteria'

HARRY McGEEA new Irish film claims that climate change guru Al Gore is an alarmist and that those who think they are saving the planet are only hurting the poor

IF THE ADVANCE publicity is anything to go by, Not Evil Just Wrong will do for Al Gore what Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11 did for George W Bush.

"This is the film Al Gore and Hollywood don't want you to see," declares the website for the latest work by film-makers Ann McElhinney and Phelim McAleer. The site even features a big picture of Gore, with his lips in the photograph seemingly digitally enhanced to make them look like Heath Ledger's Joker from the latest Batman film.

The website goes on to say that their latest film - which takes on what are described as global warming alarmists - is "the most controversial documentary of the year". Indeed, it could very well be the most controversial. And Al Gore and Hollywood may well not want you to see it. And in that respect, Gore and co are actually succeeding for the moment. Because there is no completed film. Not yet anyway.

McElhinney and McAleer have raised almost $1 million (€799,000) but need a total of $4.5m (€3.6m) to allow for a full cinema release. They say they were acutely disappointed at being turned down for funding by the Irish Film Board, especially its conclusion that it was "repetitive and creatively thin".

Instead, they have gone onto the internet hoping to solicit donations in the style of Barack Obama. The finished product will be around 90 minutes long. Both film-makers rebut the Film Board's criticism by pointing out that a near-complete version of the film has been chosen in the audience category at the Amsterdam Film Festival later this month.

However, for now, there is no finished product. And that creates a bit of a difficulty. The merits of the case put forward in the film can only be judged - for now - on a short trailer and on the spirited arguments put forward by its two creators, and not on the work itself.

McElhinney and McAleer, who are a married couple, are former journalists. McElhinney broke the Tristan Dowse story and the questionable money-making industry that had grown up around adoptions abroad. McAleer is a former journalist with the Sunday Times and the Financial Times, who worked as a correspondent in Bucharest for a number of years.

THIS IS NOT the first time they have courted controversy. An earlier documentary, Mine Your Own Business, contended that the actions of environmentalists were destroying communities and lives in developing countries. A screening in the US was picketed by environmental groups. And the documentary was also criticised because it was 70 per cent funded by Gabriel Resources, the Canadian mining company that wanted to develop an open pit gold mine in an impoverished village in Romania. This surely compromised the editorial objectivity of the film.

On the contrary, McAleer says. He points out that it is stated clearly in the first five minutes of the film where the funding came from. He also asserts that the funder had no editorial control and only saw the film after completion. But why fund it then?

"They saw what I had written [about the village] in the Financial Times and saw that I was representing it in a fair way. Also they had a good story to tell. They were the only people who could save this village from being destroyed by environmentalists."

The latest work, when it appears, will tackle the same subject but on a far more ambitious - and provocative - scale. They will set out to prove the true cost of what they call "global warming hysteria", which they claim damages the lives of vulnerable people. Shooting took place in Ireland, Uganda, China, England, France and the US.

The film, as outlined by both, explores three strands. The first looks at previous "scares", namely the widespread ban on the use of the anti-malaria pesticide DDT, because of its effect on the environment. The ban was highly controversial because there was evidence that its absence actually increased the incidence of malaria in poorer countries. Both describe the ban as appalling and a disgrace, putting the lives of birds and wildlife ahead of human beings who died from disease-carrying mosquitoes.

The second strand explores what they contend are "flaws" in the climate change argument. It is clear that the biggest "flaw" from their perspective has a name and it is Al Gore.

"We look at the bigger errors that are in An Inconvenient Truth," says McElhinney, who asserts that scientists are not settled on climate change, and there is not incontrovertible evidence that it is happening.

It's not possible to gainsay the film. But you wonder does the logic follow all the way through. Gore still believes in a ban on DDT, says McElhinney, arguing that this compromises his views on climate change. Not necessarily. They also explore nine "flaws" in Gore's film, established by the High Court in Britain during a civil case. Their major contentions include criticism of the famous inverted hockey stick graph which purported to show constant emissions for many centuries and big increases in CO2 emissions since 1900. That model completely neglected medieval warming (proven) and the little ice age from the 16th century to 1850 (also proven), they argue.

IN BRIEF, THEIR other main assertions are: there has been no global warming since 1995; the polar bear population is not under threat from climate change but from human hunters; they also say that the Arctic and Greenland glaciers have been receding since 1850, long before the invention of SUVs; and, finally, that the UN's International Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) takes issue with Al Gore's contention that sea levels will rise by 20ft (more like 19 inches, says the IPCC).

None of these arguments are new. It is the view of critics of global warming that the Earth's climate is still recovering from the Little Ice Age after it ended around 1850. A quick Google of any of the above issues does point to potential flaws (ie too much reliance on modelling, projecting and extrapolation) but the problem is that the contrary argument often teeters on a rickety foundation.

The third strand is McAleer's argument that the measures proposed to tackle climate change will cause crisis and chaos. The world would collapse without fossil fuel, he says. "The cure could be worse than the disease." He is particularly scathing of Al Gore's call for a total ban on fossil fuels in a decade, which would be a disaster, leading to millions of people being driven into poverty.

The views are certainly contrarian. But there are some eminent scientists among the contributors, including Dr Syun-Ichi Akasofu, former director of the International Arctic Research Centre and Prof Richard Lindzen, an atmospheric physicist from MIT, both of whom are sceptics.

The authority of all the arguments will be severely tested. One is mindful of Martin Durkin's controversial The Great Global Warming Swindle for Channel 4 that set about debunking global warming as an overstated theory. The film was criticised by the UK TV regulator (Ofcom) for inaccuracies, and the Ofcom decision gave Durkin's critics a field day in attacking the credibility of his film.

Do McElhinney and McAleer themselves reject climate change, reject the need to cut down on our dependency on oil? "The idea that CO2 causes climate change or causes global warming - let's keep it clear - is not settled," says McElhinney. "The idea of dramatically altering the way we live would be a mistake until more information has been gathered." Both believe that there is no panic, and that the world has 300 years (until coal is exhausted) to come up with alternative sources of energy.

They are right about one thing - it will be very controversial. Their arguments will be unremittingly scrutinised, leaving only two possible outcomes: the film will debunk and expose, or be itself debunked and exposed.

© 2008 The Irish Times



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on November 17, 2008, 08:33:44 PM
Thanks Sister Yvette!

I wish that everyone knew the TRUTH about so-called GLOBAL WARMING. It isn't settled because it doesn't exist, and thousands of prominent scientists have tried to expose it as a MASSIVE FRAUD AND CON GAME. It's a money game to control masses of people, and that's all that GLOBAL WARMING EVER WAS. It isn't good science or even a good theory - IT'S JUNK THAT COSTS TONS OF MONEY. Real scientists who try to inform the government and the public the TRUTH about so-called global warming are hushed, shunned, and even persecuted. The BIG MONEY FOLKS like Al Gore don't want the truth to get out, and they do have the POWER to abuse those who try to get the TRUTH out. BLUNTLY, GLOBAL WARMING IS NOTHING BUT A GLOBAL CON GAME WHERE CRIMINALS ARE STEALING MONEY FROM THE PEOPLE!


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on November 17, 2008, 08:38:40 PM
"The idea that CO2 causes climate change or causes global warming - let's keep it clear - is not settled," says McElhinney.

Only in the minds of those that don't know the truth about CO2 of willing to accept the facts as they truly are.

Quote
the actions of environmentalists were destroying communities and lives in developing countries

Not just in developing countries but worldwide. They are already the main cause of millions of deaths.


BLUNTLY, GLOBAL WARMING IS NOTHING BUT A GLOBAL CON GAME WHERE CRIMINALS ARE STEALING MONEY FROM THE PEOPLE![/b]

and costing many lives with many more yet to pay for this stupidity.



Title: Remember the Kyoto Treaty, well now Nations now paying fines.
Post by: Shammu on November 17, 2008, 09:01:29 PM
Europe, Japan Face $46 Billion Global-Warming Penalty (Update1)

By Alex Morales and Jeremy van Loon

Nov. 14 (Bloomberg) -- Twenty nations including Japan, Italy and Australia may be releasing more greenhouse-gas pollution than they agreed to under the Kyoto treaty to curb global warming.

They're failing to rein in carbon-dioxide output enough to meet their pledges signed in 1997 in Kyoto, Japan, according to reports by individual countries. As a penalty for missing their goals under the treaty, the nations are required to buy permits for every excess ton of the heat-trapping gas released through 2012. That will total 2.3 billion permits for 20 nations, New Carbon Finance, a research firm in London, has estimated.

The potential penalty, 36 billion euros ($46 billion) for the group based on current permit prices, and the fact that only a minority of 37 Kyoto signatory nations may meet their pledges bodes poorly for international efforts to limit global warming.

``This shows there's a lot more interest in promising stuff than actually keeping those promises,'' Bjorn Lomborg, author of the book ``The Skeptical Environmentalist,'' said in a telephone interview from Copenhagen. ``What you should be doing is investing in research and development to make much more dramatic emissions cuts much cheaper in the future.''

In three days the UN will publish a report on emissions data for 2006, compiling figures from national reports already released. Analysts have been using that data to estimate emissions for Kyoto's 2008-2012 measurement period because a nation's CO2 output from factories, power plants and vehicles varies little year to year. It takes about 10 years, for example, to build a low-emissions nuclear plant to replace several dirtier coal-fired power stations.

Cost-Sharing

Kyoto's binding targets are a cornerstone in the international effort to limit global warming. The U.S. is the only developed nation not to ratify the pact.

Under the treaty, countries that are unable to meet targets must buy permits from nations that have a surplus. The government must pay the bill, and some such as Italy and Spain are requiring industry to share in the costs.

Alternatively nations may buy credits representing greenhouse-gas reductions made abroad through investments in clean-energy and forestry projects. That comes at a cost. UN- Certified Emission Reduction credits, or CERs, which double as a Kyoto permit, today traded at 15.80 euros for a 2008 contract.

The U.K., Sweden and several eastern European nations are headed to meet their Kyoto obligations, according to carbon analysts. Others are set to miss by a wide margin, with Canada, Japan, Italy and Spain the worst transgressors.

Canada, facing the biggest emissions overshoot, has already said it won't meet its Kyoto target, even by buying permits. It wasn't included in New Carbon Finance's forecast.

`Impossible Goals'

In Italy's case, ``It's obvious the goals are not possible,'' Corrado Clini said today at an energy conference today in Rome. Italy will need 421 million permits over the five-year period, and Spain, 405 million, the research firm said. That would cost each country more than 6 billion euros, using the current price of CERs, though both governments have said they may share the costs with local industry.

Point Carbon, an Oslo-based emissions-market analysis company, estimates Italy will need 325 million permits and Spain 395 million.

Italian government and corporate officials are increasingly criticizing the Mediterranean nation's looming emissions costs. Kyoto is ``pure folly,'' Paolo Scaroni, chief executive of Eni SpA, the nation's largest oil company, said Nov. 10 on an Il Sole 24 Ore Radiocor report.

Canadian Route

Italy is among countries that may go the Canadian route of choosing not to buy the permits they need to meet their targets, said Steven Knell, a London-based energy analyst at the economic consulting and research firm Global Insight Inc.

``It is unlikely that Italy would formally drop out of the Kyoto, however non-compliance is a distinct possibility,'' Knell said. ``The cases of non-compliance may well pile up as many states are well off the mark.''

Italy's Clini said the government and industry would purchase the permits together and not withdraw from the treaty. ``We won't pull out of Kyoto,'' Clini said. ``At this point, we're in it.''

Australia, which only ratified Kyoto in 2007, will need credits to cover 20.6 million tons a year, at an estimated annual cost of 325 million euros, based on the CER price. Japan, which New Carbon Finance predicts will need 587 million credits, says new energy-efficiency policies will help the nation meet its target.

`Exaggerated Burden'

``We are going to strengthen the energy-efficiency standard for buildings and factories,'' Hiroaki Takiguchi, director of Japan's office of international strategy on climate change, said in an Oct. 28 interview from Tokyo. ``We are promoting renewable energy such as solar, wind.''

Improved energy policies mean Japan will only need 100 million credits, or less than one-fifth of New Carbon Finance's estimate, over the five-year period, Takiguchi said.

``More and more countries are improving energy efficiency and promoting alternative fuels,'' said Claudia Kemfert, head of energy at the DIW economic research institute in Berlin. ``The fear about how much of a burden this will be is exaggerated.''

The UN Framework Convention on Climate Change, which guided the Kyoto talks, aims to negotiate a new treaty for the post- 2012 period at a meeting next year in Copenhagen. Failure by countries to meet their Kyoto targets suggests there's no point in agreeing to a new deal, said Lomborg.

``It questions the whole idea of getting together in Copenhagen next year and making even more ambitious promises when we haven't even been able to fulfill our promises so far,'' said Lomborg, an economist and director of the Copenhagen Consensus Center, an economic advisory body.

Europe, Japan Face $46 Billion Global-Warming Penalty (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601101&sid=aTYTqcXZf7fE&refer=japan)


Title: Re: Remember the Kyoto Treaty, well now Nations now paying fines.
Post by: Shammu on November 17, 2008, 09:05:25 PM

All these countries signed up because they thought the US was signing up. That the United States, would pay their fines and then people probably wouldn't have noticed, that they didn't pay theirs.  But, Kyoto was never about the environment. It was a money grab. The main goal of Kyoto was to transfer Billions from rich countries to poor countries.



Title: New Bible has a 'green' theme
Post by: Shammu on November 17, 2008, 09:09:45 PM
New Bible has a 'green' theme
Posted 10/8/2008

By Cathy Lynn Grossman, USA TODAY
A new edition of the Bible sets out to show that the seeds of environmentalism were first sown in the Garden of Eden.

Just as "red letter" Bibles highlight the words of Jesus in red ink, The Green Bible, in stores this week, uses green ink to spotlight more than 1,000 passages extolling the goodness of creation and God's charge to mankind to care for it.

The first chapter of Genesis is grass green, as are big chunks of Psalms and threads through every book including the Gospels, where Jesus considers the lilies of the field and keeps his eye on the sparrow.

Publisher HarperOne uses the New Revised Standard Translation of the Bible to present the earth-loving book printed with soy ink on recycled paper and bound in eco-friendly linen.

IDEA CLUB: Are you weary of eco-preaching?
PUBLISHERS: Niche Bibles reach new audiences

Where other Bibles have theological analysis, The Green Bible has essays by conservationists and theologians who link its calls to compassion, love and brotherhood to eco-concerns. It concludes with a reading guide tracking environmental themes throughout the Bible.

The Humane Society of the United States is distributing copies at upcoming events for its All Creatures Great and Small campaign to promote moral awareness of the treatment of animals on the farm or in the family home as pets.

A national survey by Baylor University in Waco, Texas, released in September, found most religious people of all denominations agreed that "dramatic" changes were needed to prevent further damage to the earth, air and living creatures. However, those who said they had no religion were 12 to 15 percentage points stronger in their view that mankind must step up on stewardship. Also, evangelical Protestants were consistently less likely to agree on any of the environmental issues than other Christian groups.

"We need a Bible like this," says Rev. Richard Cizik, vice president of the National Association of Evangelicals, who has led the group into environmental activism. "I've traveled the country for two years now speaking at college chapel services. I ask, 'Has anyone here ever heard a sermon at their home church on the stewardship of creation?' Rarely does even one hand go up."

Environmentalism faces hurdles among evangelicals, Cizik says, citing suspicions that it is "liberal-leftist" or "witchy-pagan," or that it leans to government regulation.

Another hurdle: "Dominionism — the idea that God gave this to us and we can do what we darn well please.

"When people tell me, Jesus never talked about the environment, I say, God says, 'Love your neighbor,' not drown him in melting sea ice," Cizik says.

However, this newest Green Bible is not the first. A 1993 book also called The Green Bible, co-authored by religious studies expert Stephen Scharper and anthopologist Hilary Cunningham, has no green ink but has the same intentions.

It intertwines ecology and ecumenism by drawing quotes from a wide range of sacred texts, saints, poets and scientists, says Scharper, who teaches on social movements in the University of Toronto's Centre for Environment,.

"We wanted to address the tension between Biblically based Christians and environmentally based Christians and to show the corresponding views of other faith and humanist traditions with quotes from the Dalai Lama, Gandhi and others," says Scharper.

New Bible has a 'green' theme (http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2008-10-08-green-bible_N.htm)


Title: Re: New Bible has a 'green' theme
Post by: Shammu on November 17, 2008, 09:17:04 PM

I personally find irritating about this sort of endeavor is that these people are willfully ignorant that there is, not a fine line but a very marked and distinct difference, between being good stewards of God's creation and the form of mother earth worship that humanists engage in.

Good stewardship means that the earth and all therein is given for our use knowing that one day we will answer to the Creator for how we used it. Humanists tend to see human activity as a blight on the earth. If they want to save the earth, then they need to quit their jobs, cars, life, and move into the forests and live off the land.

Their view is that a beaver's dam, built by beavers for beaver's purposes, is more noble than a human dam built by humans, for human's purposes. Similarly, they look at animal carnivores and say "nature red in tooth and claw," but human carnivores is cruel and evil.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on November 18, 2008, 10:43:35 PM
Alaskan Glaciers Grow for First Time in 250 Years

High snowfall and cold weather to blame.

A bitterly cold Alaskan summer has had surprising results. For the first time in the area's recorded history, area glaciers have begun to expand, rather than shrink. Summer temperatures, which were some 3 degrees below average, allowed record levels of winter snow to remain much longer, leading to the increase in glacial mass.

"In mid-June, I was surprised to see snow still at sea level in Prince William Sound", said glaciologist Bruce Molnia. "In general, the weather this summer was the worst I have seen in at least 20 years".

"On the Juneau Icefield, there was still 20 feet of new snow on the surface [in] late July. At Bering Glacier, a landslide I am studying [did] not become snow free until early August."

Molnia, who works for the US Geological Survey, said it's been a "long time" since area glaciers have seen a positive mass balance -- an increase in the total amount of ice they contain.

Since 1946, the USGS has maintained a research project measuring the state of Alaskan glaciers. This year saw records broken for most snow buildup. It was also the first time since any records began being that the glaciers did not shrink during the summer months.

Those records date from the mid 1700s, when the region was first visited by Russian explorers.  Molnia estimates that Alaskan glaciers have lost about 15% of their total area since that time -- an area the size of Connecticut.

One of the largest areas of shrinkage has been at the national park of Glacier Bay. When Alexei Ilich Chirikof first arrived in 1741, the bay didn't exist at all -- only a solid wall of ice. From that time until the early 1900s, the ice retreated some 50 miles, to form the bay and surrounding area.

Accordingly to Molnia, a difference of just 3 or 4 degrees is enough to shift the mass balance of glaciers from rapid shrinkage to rapid growth. From the 1600s to the 1900s, that’s just the amount of warming that was seen, as the planet exited the Little Ice Age.

Molnia says one cold summer doesn't mean the start of a new climatic trend. At least years like this, however, might mark the beginning of another Little Ice Age.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on November 18, 2008, 10:49:11 PM
In just 15 days, Barrow has received twice its average monthly Nov snowfall … on top of a record-breaking October

BARROW SET AN ALL TIME RECORD MONTHLY SNOWFALL DURING OCTOBER OF THIS YEAR...THE TREND OF ABOVE AVERAGE SNOWFALL CONTINUES…6.8 INCHES OF SNOW FOR THE FIRST 15 DAYS OF THE MONTH...ALREADY WELL ABOVE THE AVERAGE MONTHLY SNOWFALL OF 3.9 INCHES...

 

IN ADDITION, THIS RANKS AS THE 7TH SNOWIEST FIRST FIFTEEN DAYS OF THE MONTH ...MEASURABLE SNOW WAS RECORDED ON 14 OF 15 DAYS SO FAR THIS MONTH WITH THE MAXIMUM DAILY AMOUNT OF 1.3 INCHES OF THE 15TH.

STATISTICS FOR SNOWIEST FIRST 15 DAYS OF NOVEMBER

1. 17.0 1925
2. 11.4 2006
3. 10.1 1965
4.  9.2 2001
5.  7.1 2005
6.  6.9 1943
7.  6.8 2008
7.  6.8 1968
9.  6.2 2007
10. 5.9 1958

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Winter storm warning for West Virginia - 5 to 15 inches of snow expected

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE CHARLESTON WV

A WINTER STORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL MIDNIGHT EST

TUESDAY NIGHT...IS EXPECTED TO PRODUCE A SIGNIFICANT UPSLOPE SNOW SHOWER EVENT FOR SOME OF THE MOUNTAINOUS COUNTIES IN WEST VIRGINIA.

TOTAL SNOW ACCUMULATION FROM MONDAY AFTERNOON INTO TUESDAY NIGHT ARE EXPECTED TO BE IN THE 5 TO 15 INCH RANGE.  ELEVATIONS ABOVE 2500 FEET IN THE WARNING AREA...ARE LIKELY TO HAVE THE HIGHER AMOUNTS...



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on November 19, 2008, 12:14:46 PM
Global Warming to Shrink Brains?

In news that is sure to set the mind of climate change denialist Sen. James Inhofe (R-Oklahoma) a spinnin', two head shrinkers at the University at Albany will soon publish research that suggests the human brain grew dramatically as our ancestors adapted to colder temperatures.

Jessica Ash and Gordon Gallup studied 109 fossilized skulls from different latitudes to determine that "climate may have been an important selective force behind the evolution of human cranial capacity," according to Gallup, who theorized that changes in global temperature could account for as much as 50 percent of the variation in headmeat. "Specifically, we found that as the distance from the equator increased, north or south, so did brain size," he said. The researchers will publish their study in the spring edition of Human Nature.


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I think the brain size of the global warmist has already shrunk.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on November 19, 2008, 12:32:05 PM
 ;D   ;D   ROFL!

Senator James Inhofe is my Representative, and I like him. He has served Oklahoma well for many years, and I wish that he could share some of his common sense with folks in Washington. Sadly, there aren't many like him left.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: HisDaughter on November 19, 2008, 12:51:46 PM
It feels like snow may be coming to the NW.  I haven't checked with local weather reports, I'm just going by my bones.  I haven't found the weathermen here too reliable for the past 15 years anyway.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on November 20, 2008, 01:11:01 PM
South Carolina Police:
Record low temperatures practically froze criminal activity overnight

 “Near zero temperatures Tuesday night caused the number of 911 emergency calls to slow to just a trickle for Greenville County sheriff’s deputies, who were jumping with 3 robberies the night before, a spokesman said.

“We usually have 200 to 300 calls a night, said Lt. Tim Ridgeway, a sheriff’s spokesman. Right now, we’ve only had a handful of calls.

“Ridgeway attributed the fall off in calls for service to the cold weather. The temperature at 11 p.m. was 33-degrees, according to the National Weather Service.

_________


Record cold - More on the way

Lows early this morning plummeted into the 20s across much of the eastern third of the United States.

Portions of northwestern Florida were gripped by a hard freeze. Tallahassee dipped below the record cold low of 29 degrees set in 1990. The Severe Weather Center has a list of freeze-related watches and warnings in effect in the South.

Highs will be as much as 20 degrees below normal today throughout most of the East, challenging even more record cold temperatures.

The coldest air mass of the season is yet to come. Expect the next wave of arctic air to move across the Midwest and into the East by this weekend, and sparking the next round of lake-effect snow.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on November 21, 2008, 04:23:29 PM
The Earth’s Not Flat, and It’s Not Warming

It boggles the mind. Years after global temperature rises peaked around 1998, and the world has been cooling ever since we're still hearing shrill warnings that we are doomed to be deep fried by Mother Nature.

It's almost like insisting the world is flat even after Columbus made it to the New World without plunging over the edge of the earth.

And the warming alarmists have the gall to compare  the growing number of scientists and others who scoff at their specious claims to flat-earth believers.

Look. Whatever warming that took place as the world slowly emerged from the last little ice age has stopped. The cold hard fact of the matter is that the world is getting cooler. Spring and Fall seasons are getting shorter and all the evidence points to the onset of a new little ice age, if not a big one.

We don't have to worry about proving the case for global cooling. Mother Nature is doing the job for us. I'm willing to bet that as this winter gets underway she's going to put on a real winter carnival for us, with blizzards of unprecedented fury, shoulder-high snow falls, and temperatures so cold as to be in some cases life-threatening.

Global warming is a fraud.

Listen to Award-Winning NASA Astronaut and Moonwalker Jack Schmitt: "As a geologist, I love Earth observations. But, it is ridiculous to tie this objective to a "consensus" that humans are causing global warming in when human experience, geologic data and history, and current cooling can argue otherwise. "Consensus", as many have said, merely represents the absence of definitive science. You know as well as I, the "global warming scare" is being used as a political tool to increase government control over American lives, incomes and decision making. It has no place in the Society's activities."

And it's getting colder:

According to the November 13 issue of Britain's Daily Mail   scientists claim we are actually heading towards a new Global Ice Age:

"It has plagued scientists and politicians for decades, but scientists now say global warming is not the problem. We are actually heading for the next Ice Age, they claim. British and Canadian experts warned the big freeze could bury the east of Britain in 6,000ft of ice. A taste of the future: Most of Scotland, Northern Ireland and England could be covered in 3,000ft-thick ice fields. The expanses could reach 6,000ft from Aberdeen to Kent – towering above Ben Nevis, Britain’s tallest mountain. And what's more, the experts blame the global change on falling - rather than climbing - levels of greenhouse gases. [...] Lead author Thomas Crowley from the University of Edinburgh and Canadian colleague William Hyde say that currently vilified greenhouse gases – such as carbon dioxide – could actually be the key to averting the chill. The warning, published in the authoritative journal Nature, is based on records of tiny marine fossils and the earth’s shifting orbit."

Says  Geologist Dr. Don J. Easterbrook, Emeritus Professor at Western Washington University, who has authored eight books and 150 journal publications. "Rather than drastic global warming at a rate of 0.5C (1F) per decade, historic records of past natural cycles suggest global cooling for the first several decades of the 21st century to about 2030, followed by global warming from about 2030 to about 2060, and renewed global cooling from 2060 to 2090 .  Climatic fluctuations over the past several hundred years suggest ~30 year climatic cycles of global warming and cooling, on a general rising trend from the Little Ice Age. […]The PDO cool mode has replaced the warm mode in the Pacific Ocean, virtually assuring us of about 30 years of global cooling, perhaps much deeper than the global cooling from about 1945 to 1977.  Just how much cooler the global climate will be during this cool cycle is uncertain.  Recent solar changes suggest that it could be fairly severe, perhaps more like the 1880 to 1915 cool cycle than the more moderate 1945-1977 cool cycle.  A more drastic cooling, similar to that during the Dalton and Maunder minimums, could plunge the Earth into another Little Ice Age, but only time will tell if that is likely.

The public in Europe and Australia are demanding an end to the crack-pot economy-destroying schemes of the alarmists to tackle climate change as the global financial crisis threatens jobs and economic growth. Opinion polls show public support for dealing with climate change if the economic cost is too high wavering

Alarmist stories about the melting of Arctic ice have been shown to be false.

"As expected a few days ago: October 2008 has seen the fastest Arctic sea ice extent growth ever recorded. According to the data published by IARC-JAXA, the amount of growth has reached 3,481,575 square kilometers for the month, or 112,319 sq km per day on average. The previous maximum was October 2007, with 3,330,937 sq km for the month and 107,450 sq km per day on average. Record shrinkage remains July 2007, with 2,913,593 sq km lost and 93,987 sq km per day on average. Growth should be starting leveling off now. November values could be as high as 2,179,844 sq km (2002) or as low as 964,688 sq km (2006).”



________________

After reading this article think about this for a few minutes. Each time that mankind calls God a liar He does something that shows them that He is still the one in charge not them. The Bible is replete with examples of this. Now consider this:

Quote
On 12 November 1998, Vice President Al Gore symbolically signed the protocol.

This was about the same time that the earth's warming came to an end and actually started into a cooling trend that not only has continued up to this time but is now expected to continue for at least another decade if not more. Unfortunately as it also has been the case there are way too many people that are still not listening to Him.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on November 21, 2008, 04:26:14 PM
Athens, Georgia breaks 'low-temperature mark that stood for 117 years'

The waves of cold, Canadian air washing over the eastern United States brought a record low to Athens this morning, breaking a low-temperature mark that stood for 117 years.

The official temperature in Athens sank to 20 degrees, breaking the old record of 23 degrees set in 1891.

Overnight lows this weekend could drop back into the low to mid-20s as another mass of cold, dry air forces its way across the Southeast, the weather service said.

Bitter cold shatters North Carolina record - The frigid readings yesterday morning not only set a record for the date, but  marked the earliest ever that the temperature has fallen below 20 degrees in Charlotte.

The unofficial low at Charlotte/Douglas International Airport was 18 degrees, breaking the mark of 20 degrees for the date set in 1951. The previous earliest sub-20 reading in Charlotte was on Nov. 20, 1951.

Among the unofficial morning lows across the area:

18 degrees: Lincolnton, Statesville.

19 degrees: Albemarle, Salisbury.

20 degrees: Concord, Monroe, Rock Hill.

21 degrees: Hickory.

Forecasters expect the next cold front to push morning lows into the 20s on Saturday.

Early freeze in Florida

Very cold here in Florida. I have lived in West Central Florida (50 miles north of Tampa) for 12 years. As an avid Gardner I pay attention to the weather. During these 12 years we never had a frost in October, but this year we had a freeze October 29th. Usually the first frost is around Thanksgiving or later. The last two nights we had a freeze and tonight it should be a good one. Whenever it is cold in Florida it also dry so we don't get any snow.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on November 21, 2008, 05:52:09 PM
 ;D

All I can say is that so-called global warming sure is cold in Oklahoma right now. I just think about how easy it appears to DECEIVE most people these days when I think about non-existent global warming. Many folks will believe almost anything, and they prove it all of the time. Nobody wins on this except the con men raking in the money from global warming schemes. It's almost the perfect crime.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on November 21, 2008, 05:59:03 PM
I just think about how easy it appears to DECEIVE most people these days when I think about non-existent global warming. Many folks will believe almost anything, and they prove it all of the time.

And in many things.

It's cold here also. I like your newest little penquin you posted in another thread and thought this one was perfect for him. If I were to step out my front door that would probably be what I would end up doing.

(http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i160/tlr10/pengu/pengu020.gif)



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on November 21, 2008, 06:27:00 PM
And in many things.

It's cold here also. I like your newest little penquin you posted in another thread and thought this one was perfect for him. If I were to step out my front door that would probably be what I would end up doing.

(http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i160/tlr10/pengu/pengu020.gif)



 ;D   ;D

If you're talking about a graphic to honor Al Gore, I have others that might be more appropriate:

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Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on November 21, 2008, 06:42:19 PM
 ;D ;D
No, I meant appropriate for the weather that we are getting right now. Those that would be appropriate for Al Gore wouldn't be as cute.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/randers/gore-dunce.jpg)



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on November 21, 2008, 06:57:16 PM
;D ;D
No, I meant appropriate for the weather that we are getting right now. Those that would be appropriate for Al Gore wouldn't be as cute.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/randers/gore-dunce.jpg)



 ;D   ;D

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I'm a little slow with this cold, but I'm with you now. Consider your graphic snagged.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on November 21, 2008, 08:44:09 PM
NBC Fires Weather Channel Environmental Unit

Some on-camera meteorologists also let go

NBC Universal made the first of potentially several rounds of staffing cuts at The Weather Channel (TWC) on Wednesday, axing the entire staff of the “Forecast Earth” environmental program during the middle of NBC’s “Green Week”, as well as several on-camera meteorologists. The layoffs totaled about 10 percent of the workforce, and are the first major changes made since NBC completed its purchase of the venerable weather network in September.

The layoffs affected about 80 people, but left the long-term leadership of the network unclear, according to a source who requested anonymity due to the continuing uncertainty at the station.

Among the meteorologists who was let go was Dave Schwartz, a Weather Channel veteran and a viewer staple due to his lively on camera presentations (also a global warmist). USA Today reported that meteorologists Cheryl Lemke and Eboni Deon were also let go.

The timing of the Forecast Earth cancellation was ironic, since it came in the middle of NBC’s “Green is Universal” week, during which the network has been touting its environmental coverage across all of its platforms. Forecast Earth normally aired on weekends, but its presumed last episode was shown on a weekday due to the environmentally-oriented week.

Forecast Earth was hosted by former CNN anchor Natalie Allen, with contributions from climate expert Heidi Cullen. It was the sole program on TWC that focused on global climate change, which raises the question of whether the station will still report on the subject. Cullen’s future role at the network is not known.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on November 25, 2008, 07:05:41 PM
UK brought to standstill as five inches of snow
falls in an hour

Severe weather warnings were issued by the Met Office for much of the south east of England, the east of England, the East Midlands and Yorkshire, with the freezing temperatures and heavy snowfall prompting fears of traffic chaos.

Some 14cm (5.5 inches) of snow fell in Aberdeen between Saturday and Sunday. In Norfolk and Lincolnshire, up to fivecm (2.4 inches) fell in just one hour.

In rural Oxfordshire, the temperature sank to -21F (-6 C) overnight on Saturday.

Gales gusting at 50mph raged in the Irish Sea and fast ferry services between Holyhead and Dublin were cancelled.

______________


Snow depths in Switzerland
up to five times normal

Almost the entire country is 150% - 500% of normal, with one station registering 1200% of normal.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on November 30, 2008, 09:20:24 PM
Snow in parts of Switzerland 12 times deeper
than average

Ski resorts across Europe will open this weekend ahead of schedule after the biggest November snowfalls for at least a decade - in some places the biggest November snowfalls in more than 40 years - including 60cm (23in) of snow on Alpine slopes and even more in the Pyrenees.

“This is nature's way of cocking a snook (thumbing your nose) at the experts,” said Christian Rochette, the director of Ski France International, the tourist body for French resorts.

“We've got excellent conditions for this time of year and very cold temperatures, which means we can use the snow cannons to make artificial snow as well,” he said.

                                                    Snow is thigh deep

Michael Broom Smith, of Purple Ski, said: “On the lower pistes, the snow is thigh deep and beautifully light and fluffy and more snow is forecast this weekend.”

Val d'Isčre will also open today with snow two metres deep at 3,000 metres. “We've often had to put off the opening,” a tourist office spokeswoman said. “Last year we opened a few slopes at the start of the season but this year we're opening them all.”

The Ski Club of Great Britain said that snow in parts of Switzerland was 12 times deeper than average.

Pyrenean resorts are also enjoying snowfalls unseen for years. “Oh, what happiness!” said Hervé Mairal, director of the Pyrenean Tourist Federation. “We've got 95cm at the foot of the slopes and 1.4m at the top. We've not had that for a decade.”

Andorra, which has had some poor conditions in recent years, is enjoying its best start to a season for four decades and both the main areas of Grandvalira and Vallnord will be open fully from this weekend.

On the Spanish side Roberto Buil, the marketing manager of the Baqueira Beret resort, said that the slopes had opened on November 22 for the first time in 44 years. “All our 69 ski runs are open,” he said. “We are having an amazing start.”

The cold snap comes after an OECD report said that a two-degree rise in temperature could eliminate a third of all Europe's ski slopes over the next 40 years.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on December 03, 2008, 09:17:12 AM
Rapid Surging of Glacial Ice Lobes
by Larry Vardiman, Ph.D.*

J. Harlen Bretz published an article in the Journal of Geology in 1923 that described a catastrophic flood that swept across eastern Washington state near the end of the Ice Age. He claimed that it eroded massive channels through solid rock and flooded the Columbia River Gorge to nearly 400 feet in depth as far downstream as Portland, Oregon. Bretz's theory that a lobe of ice from the ice sheet in Canada blocked the Clark Fork River in western Montana, created a lake as far upstream as Missoula, and released walls of water across eastern Washington when the dam was breached was rejected by most geologists until he lay on his deathbed in 1981.

The reason his observations were ignored for so many years was because the floods in eastern Washington required ice lobes to block the valleys, the sudden releases of the ice dams, and massive flows of water hundreds of feet deep over thousands of square miles. These events smacked of similar stories found in the Bible. However, the evidence of rapid, catastrophic erosion that was carved in the rocks eventually overwhelmed the ridicule of the conventional geological community and is widely accepted today. The Lake Missoula Flood is only one of many events that have led to the development of a rapid, high-energy explanation for geological process called neo-catastrophism.

Rapid Ice Age processes similar to those associated with the ice lobe that caused the Lake Missoula Flood have also begun to be recognized in the formation, movement, and melting of ice sheets in the upper Midwest. During the Ice Age, large ice lobes surged from the Laurentide ice sheet from central Canada southward into the Dakotas, Minnesota, and Iowa. If the Ice Age was a relatively short event of only a few thousand years, as implied by biblical constraints, then these ice lobes must have moved rapidly. Yet, it has been commonly assumed until recently that ice moves relatively slowly.

Mark Horstemeyer and Philip Gullet reported at the 5th International Conference on Creationism (ICC) on their finite element simulations in one dimension of ice sheets.1 They studied the rate at which steep edges could move and deform under heavy accumulations of snow and found that the rapid movement of ice and multiple surges were plausible during a short Ice Age on the order of 500 years. Jesse Sherburn and associates reported at the 6th ICC in the summer of 2008 even more detailed simulations in three dimensions specifically for the Des Moines ice lobe in Iowa.2 They considered deformable till under the ice lobe, various porosity and crack levels, and various temperatures, slopes, and load angles. They agreed with previous simulations that surging could reach peak velocities of approximately 6.5 km/year and that the movement of ice lobes could in fact fit within a biblical time frame.

Even the conventional glaciology and paleoclimatology communities have come to believe that ice sheets several thousand feet thick in Canada may have melted in just a few hundred years. A major event during the deglaciation of the ice sheets called the Younger Dryas is now thought to have occurred in as little as a few decades. So, fewer and fewer pieces of evidence seem to justify hundreds of thousands of years for the Ice Age. Several of the articles presented at the ICC in the summer of 2008, including the one on the Des Moines ice lobe, may be found on the ICR website at www.icr.org/research.

References

   1. Horstemeyer, M. and P. Gullet. 2003. Will Mechanics Allow a Rapid Ice Age Following the Flood? Paper presented at the Fifth International Conference on Creationism, August 4-8, in Pittsburgh, PA.
   2. Sherburn, J. A., M. F. Horstemeyer and K. Solanki. 2008. Simulation Analysis of Glacial Surging in the Des Moines Ice Lobe. Paper presented at the Sixth International Conference on Creation-ism, August 3-7, in Pittsburgh, PA.


* Dr. Vardiman is Chair of the Department of Astro/Geophysics.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on December 04, 2008, 10:07:44 AM
European metal workers: 'We don't want to lose our job'
11,000 turn out to protest EU's climate policy

About 11,000 workers from the steel industry in European countries gathered on Tuesday in Brussels to protest the European Union's climate change policy which they fear might make them lose their jobs.

    The European Parliament and the French Presidency of the European Union agreed Monday on details of future targets on emissions from cars, setting the target for 2020 at 95 g CO2 per kilometer.

    "We don't want to lose our job," one protester said, adding that the new regulations will possibly kill the steel industry in Europe. Several protesters held a coffin to indicate that the European steel industry will die when EU's climate change plan is implemented.

    Under the new regulations, from 2012 to 2018 manufacturers exceeding the carbon dioxide targets set by the regulation will have to pay fines 5 euros for the first gram of CO2, 15 euros for the second gram of CO2 and 95 euros from the fourth gram of CO2.

    From 2019, car manufacturers will have to pay 95 euro for each gram exceeding the target.

    The protesters, most of who come from the car industry giant Germany, marched around the European Parliament building and other EU institutions.

    The protest was organized by the European Metalworkers' Federation (EMF). The federation criticized the EU's plan to cut CO2 emissions, saying it endangers production and jobs in the steel and non-ferrous metal sectors.

    In a statement, the EMF said that European producers "are confronted with increasing international competition from producers who do not meet European norms."     


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on December 04, 2008, 10:11:29 AM
New EU president is prominent climate skeptic
Czech Republic's Vaclav Klaus has questioned sanity of Al Gore

Czech President: EU's Outspoken Global Warming Doubter
Klaus with US President George W. Bush at a military parade
Großansicht des Bildes mit der Bildunterschrift:  Klaus (right) seems to be more in line with his US counterpart than others in the EU
 
Czech President Vaclav Klaus, one of the most prominent climate change doubters, is about to get a new platform: the EU presidency. Others in the bloc worry that he could stall important climate talks next year.

Klaus has called manmade global warming a myth and questioned sanity of Al Gore, the former US vice-president who received the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize for turning a spotlight on climate change.

Most recently, Klaus expressed hopes the EU would give up its ambitious plan to spearhead the global struggle against climate change in the face of the global financial crisis.

From his vantage point in Prague's Hradcany castle, Klaus could be involved in negotiating a new set of EU climate laws while the Czech Republic chairs the EU in the first half of 2009.

That could happen if EU leaders fail to agree on a plan at their December summit, where a disputed proposal to cut EU greenhouse gas emissions by 20 percent by 2020 is on the table.

In any case, the Czechs will lead the EU in the run-up to a crucial global climate conference in Denmark late next year.

Climate on the backburner?

Having Klaus at the helm of the 27-member bloc "is clearly going to cause some anxiety," said Simon Tilford, chief economist at the London-based Center for European Reform.

While presidential office in the Czech Republic is largely ceremonial and the center-right government of Prime Minister Mirek Topolanek does not share Klaus' views, western Europe worries that "Czechs would not attach as much priority" to the climate efforts, Tilford said.

"It is unfair to say: If we don't agree this year we won't have it," he said. "But there are some concerns because the Czech government is not as enthusiastic."

The Czech government has tried to alleviate such fears.

James Hunt, the Czech environment minister's climate envoy, recently said that if internal EU squabbling spills into next year, "the Czech presidency will make every effort to achieve adoption" of the climate package in early 2009.

Pro business

But Czech officials also made it clear that they would prefer a softer, pro-business plan.

"We can't fight for the climate at the expense of our competitiveness," Topolanek said last week. "That is especially valid at a time of the global financial crisis."

Across the region, coal-fired power plants are a big reason why countries balked at the EU proposal.

Central European energy firms, including the Czech Republic's state-controlled CEZ that pours billions of koruny in dividends into state coffers, would like to see the package scrapped.

They especially oppose a plan that would force them to buy carbon emission permits at auction from 2013. The rule would add an extra cost amid the financial crisis and certainly hike electricity prices, they say.

"A unilateral cut of emission limits combined with a brutal start of credit auctions will not help the climate because nobody will join the EU and our emission cut of 20 percent ... will be easily offset and surmounted by a rise in emissions in China," Topolanek said.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on December 04, 2008, 01:14:40 PM
Over 200 inches of snow greets Alyeska skiers
and riders


Yes you read that right - over 200 inches  - 16.7 feet! - of snow. And 117 inches of the total came in the last week at Alyeska Resort, about 40 miles south of Anchorage, Alaska.

Alyeska opened for business on November 26 and according to a press release, with "epic conditions that rival the best opening day on record."

“Conditions are more reminiscent of early spring than they are in December,” says the Alyeska marketing machine, “with several feet of deep soft snow covering all elevations of the mountain. More snowfall is forecasted for the next five days. Alyeska opened on November 26th to epic conditions that rival the best opening day on record. “

"This is the best opening weekend I can remember", stated Di Hiibner, Ski Area General Manager. "We were able to open the entire mountain with the exception of our outer areas and the lower bowl with waist deep powder that made this a memorable week."


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Shammu on December 04, 2008, 09:19:47 PM
Quote
Czech Republic's Vaclav Klaus has questioned sanity of Al Gore


I'm in agreement with Vaclav Klaus.       (http://bestsmileys.com/lol/4.gif)


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on December 05, 2008, 09:45:26 PM
 ;D  Make that two, and I'm sure there are countless "DITTOS".

I have wondered several times if Al actually believes his global warming absurdity. If he does, the handle has broken off of Al's teapot. I really think that Al is just another con man wanting to line his pockets with money.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on December 08, 2008, 01:30:23 PM
Thousands stranded as Siberian front
sweeps China


“A Siberian cold front swept China on Thursday, with temperatures in the capital plunging below freezing and thousands stranded on snowbound expressways in the remote far northwest.

In the northwestern region of Xinjiang, about 3,400 people were stranded on blocked expressways after two days of snow, the China Daily said. Temperatures in the region have plunged by about 18C. Snowstorms also hit northern Inner Mongolia and Gansu province.

In Beijing, temperatures plunged about 10 degrees overnight to minus 3C.

Hundreds of thousands of people made homeless by the devastating May 12 earthquake are sleeping in tents or temporary housing in the mountains of Sichuan and surrounding southwestern provinces where temperatures at night can fall well below freezing.

_____________

On Sunday, West Virginia,
western Maryland, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, New York and New England could
receive atrace to 4 inches of snow. New York City and Boston could see their first
measurable snow of the season. Down East Maine from Bar Harbor to the Canadian
border could seemore than 6 inches of snow.

Meanwhile, areas downwind of Lake Erie and Lake Ontario could see nearly a foot
of snow by early Monday



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on December 08, 2008, 01:31:40 PM
Early snowfalls in Europe hit Historic Levels

    * 20 year record snowfall in Dolomites enough to last all season
    * Some Swiss train services cancelled due to excess snow
    * Still more heavy snow in the Pyrenees
    * More snow for Scotland

Skiinfo.com is following still more heavy snowfalls across Europe over the past 48 hours, with much more snow in other parts of Europe and many areas of North America too.

The snowfall has been so great that it has closed roads, brought down power lines and even led to the cancellation of some Swiss rail services this week.

One of the greatest beneficiaries are the Italian Dolomites where 150cm (five feet) has fallen at Cortina in a 48 hour period up to Monday, with snow still falling.

Alessandro Fregni of Skiinfo.com’s Italian office commented, “In three days ski areas have seen almost as much snowfall as for the whole winter last year.”

The snow has arrived with perfect timing for the ski resorts who are seeing a boom in ticket sales at a time of economic uncertainty. Alessandro believes the snow is enough to last all season and will also mean resorts can save money by not needing to use snow making equipment.

However the snow is causing practical problems for both locals and those wanting to reach the snow with almost every pass in to the Dolomites closed on Monday and many villages without electricity. However the situation will be resolved quickly once the snow stops falling.

It was a similar if slightly less dramatic picture to the north where competitors at the annual season opening Santa Claus World Championships in Samnaun had difficulty getting to and from the event as Swiss public transport in the area struggled to cope with heavy snowfall there.

On Monday rail services were cancelled in the area of Eastern Switzerland due to the snow. “We should have used their magic sleighs.” joked a bemused competitor after missing his flight home as a result.

Most other Swiss resorts have great cover and more new snow. Skiinfo issued powder alarms in the past week for Skiinfo with 70cm (28 inches) and Davos 53cm (17 inches) of fresh snow each. Many major resorts now have snow depths of 2-3 metres (7 – 10 feet).

In Austria the snow cover is also superb with Heiligenblut the biggest recipient of the week’s latest dump, receiving a metre (40 inches) of powder in the past seven days.

Many of the open French ski areas have reported at least a foot of new snow in the past week. Several have much more including Les Arcs, with 80cm (32 inches). New openings this weekend include Les Orres, Chamrousse, L e Grand Bornand, Isola 2000 and Montgenevre. Alpe D’Huez and Courchevel will be fully open and Megčve partly open.

It looks like the ski areas in the Pyrenees and elsewhere in Spain which dominated snowfall news in November with record pre-season accumulations leading top early openings of ski areas in the region will continue in to December, as the snow keeps falling.

A new cold front has brought still more fresh powder to Spain (Formigal and Sierra Nevada have both received 70 cm/28 inches more powder in the past week) all the ski resorts in Spain will open for a three day holiday weekend. For Spanish skiers and boarders the Purísima Feast on December 8 is a must every year and represents the official opening of the winter season.

On the French side of the range Cauterets opened last weekend with 80% of runs available on opening day and up to 150cm (five feet) of snow.

Elsewhere in Europe conditions continue to be very good in Scandinavian countries too. Norway’s Hemsedal currently has 65cm (over two feet) of snow on its slopes, with Bjorli registering the greatest snow depth at present with 100 cm (40 inches). The country’s ski areas have received up to 38cm (15 inches) of new snow in the last week with Skiimnfo.com issuing a powder alarm for Trysil, the largest resort in Norway. The snowfall makes it possible for Trysil to open more slopes and lifts for the upcoming weekend, said Jan Linstad, Trysil ski area’s manager.

In Eastern Europe it’s a more mixed picture with some warm temperatures limiting cover. However Slovenian areas are open and Bansko has opened in Bulgaria with largely machine made snow.

In Scotland The Lecht re-opened last week before closing for a second time in November as the snow thawed. However more snow fell yesterday (Tuesday, December 2), temperatures remain well below freezing and heavy snow is forecast for tomorrow, Thursday (December 4), raising hopes of a weekend re-opening.

In North America the picture has improved dramatically in Colorado, just as it did this time last year before a meteoric snowfall season in which several resorts set record snowfall figures after a warm November 2007. One of the best reports is from Vail which has had 63cm (25 inches) of snow in the past week. Nearby Copper Mountain has also been able to open its Superpipe, the first on the continent this season. Conditions are generally less good on the country’s West coast however with delayed openings or limited cover at many ski areas.

Further north it’s a mixed picture in Western Canada with Mount Washington announcing it will delay its opening due, planned for this Friday, December 5, due to lack of snow.

“We have patchy snow on the ground right now after some rainfall last weekend,” explains resort spokesperson Brent Curtain. “We need to see approximately one metre of snow on the ground before we can begin slope preparations for our opening day.”

Further north still however Alyeska in Alaska has opened with a huge five metre (200 inch) base, although temperatures were reported to be as low as a seriously chilly 8F at the ski area summit on Monday.

On the other side of the region one of the early openers, Marmot Basin in Alberta, which has already seen 89cm (three feet) of snow this winter, opening another five runs.

On North America’s East Coast most resorts are open and in the case of resorts in states like Maine and Vermont reporting “The best start to the season for years.” with a foot (30cm) or more of natural snowfall at most, topped up by the extensive snowmaking systems common in the area.

Further afield Japan has had its first taste of winter too. Grand Hirafu in Niseko opened on 22nd November with things not looking promising and very little snow in the village and just a light cover of snow on the top of the resort. True to its self-proclaimed status of “powder capital of the world” however, over a metre (40 inches) of snow then fell in just three days.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on December 11, 2008, 09:42:30 AM
Scientists abandon global warming 'lie'
650 to dissent at U.N. climate change conference

A United Nations climate change conference in Poland is about to get a surprise from 650 leading scientists who scoff at doomsday reports of man-made global warming – labeling them variously a lie, a hoax and part of a new religion.

Later today, their voices will be heard in a U.S. Senate minority report quoting the scientists, many of whom are current and former members of the U.N.'s own Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

About 250 of the scientists quoted in the report have joined the dissenting scientists in the last year alone.

In fact, the total number of scientists represented in the report is 12 times the number of U.N. scientists who authored the official IPCC 2007 report.

Here are some choice excerpts from the report:

    * "I am a skeptic ... . Global warming has become a new religion." -- Nobel Prize Winner for Physics, Ivar Giaever.

    * "Since I am no longer affiliated with any organization nor receiving any funding, I can speak quite frankly ... . As a scientist I remain skeptical." -- Atmospheric Scientist Dr. Joanne Simpson, the first woman in the world to receive a Ph.D. in meteorology  and formerly of NASA who has authored more than 190 studies and has been called "among the most pre-eminent scientists of the last 100 years."

    * Warming fears are the "worst scientific scandal in the history ... . When people come to know what the truth is, they will feel deceived by science and scientists." -- U.N. IPCC Japanese Scientist Dr. Kiminori Itoh, an award-winning Ph.D. environmental physical chemist.

    * "The IPCC has actually become a closed circuit; it doesn't listen to others. It doesn't have open minds ... . I am really amazed that the Nobel Peace Prize has been given on scientifically incorrect conclusions by people who are not geologists." -- Indian geologist Dr. Arun D. Ahluwalia at Punjab University and a board member of the U.N.-supported International Year of the Planet.

    * "The models and forecasts of the U.N. IPCC "are incorrect because they only are based on mathematical models and presented results at scenarios that do not include, for example, solar activity." -- Victor Manuel Velasco Herrera, a researcher at the Institute of Geophysics of the National Autonomous University of Mexico.

    * "It is a blatant lie put forth in the media that makes it seem there is only a fringe of scientists who don't buy into anthropogenic global warming." -- U.S. Government Atmospheric Scientist Stanley B. Goldenberg of the Hurricane Research Division of NOAA, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

    * "Even doubling or tripling the amount of carbon dioxide will virtually have little impact, as water vapor and water condensed on particles as clouds dominate the worldwide scene and always will." -- Geoffrey G. Duffy, a professor in the Department of Chemical and Materials Engineering of the University of Auckland, New Zealand.

    * "After reading [U.N. IPCC chairman] Pachauri's asinine comment [comparing skeptics to] Flat Earthers, it's hard to remain quiet." -- Climate statistician Dr. William M. Briggs, who specializes in the statistics of forecast evaluation, serves on the American Meteorological Society's Probability and Statistics Committee and is an associate editor of Monthly Weather Review.

    * "For how many years must the planet cool before we begin to understand that the planet is not warming? For how many years must cooling go on?" -- Geologist Dr. David Gee, the chairman of the science committee of the 2008 International Geological Congress who has authored 130 plus peer-reviewed papers, and is currently at Uppsala University in Sweden.

    * "Gore prompted me to start delving into the science again and I quickly found myself solidly in the skeptic camp ... . Climate models can at best be useful for explaining climate changes after the fact." -- Meteorologist Hajo Smit of Holland, who reversed his belief in man-made warming to become a skeptic, is a former member of the Dutch U.N. IPCC committee.

    * "Many [scientists] are now searching for a way to back out quietly (from promoting warming fears), without having their professional careers ruined." -- Atmospheric physicist James A. Peden, formerly of the Space Research and Coordination Center in Pittsburgh, Pa.

    * "Creating an ideology pegged to carbon dioxide is a dangerous nonsense ... . The present alarm on climate change is an instrument of social control, a pretext for major businesses and political battle. It became an ideology, which is concerning." -- Environmental Scientist Professor Delgado Domingos of Portugal, the founder of the Numerical Weather Forecast group, has more than 150 published articles.

    * "CO2 emissions make absolutely no difference one way or another ... . Every scientist knows this, but it doesn't pay to say so ... . Global warming, as a political vehicle, keeps Europeans in the driver's seat and developing nations walking barefoot." -- Dr. Takeda Kunihiko, vice-chancellor of the Institute of Science and Technology Research at Chubu University in Japan.

    * "The [global warming] scaremongering has its justification in the fact that it is something that generates funds." -- Award-winning Paleontologist Dr. Eduardo Tonni, of the Committee for Scientific Research in Buenos Aires and head of the Paleontology Department at the University of La Plata.

The report also includes new peer-reviewed scientific studies and analyses refuting man-made warming fears and a climate developments that contradict the theory.

It is 4 degrees Celsius (39 Fahrenheit) today in Poznan, Poland, where the U.N. conference is being held.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on December 11, 2008, 10:36:12 AM
Brother,

I think this is great news, but I still wonder who will really listen. After all, there's a ton of money involved in this huge con game.

As for Christians, this is a MOST SIMPLE MATTER. GOD has stated that HE will provide the SEASONS for raising crops. This will only be interrupted by COMING BIBLE PROPHECY that is also a Promise from GOD.

Ecclesiastes 3:1-3 KJV  To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:  2  A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;  3  A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;

Jeremiah 5:24 KJV  Neither say they in their heart, Let us now fear the LORD our God, that giveth rain, both the former and the latter, in his season: he reserveth unto us the appointed weeks of the harvest.

Jeremiah 33:20-26 KJV  Thus saith the LORD; If ye can break my covenant of the day, and my covenant of the night, and that there should not be day and night in their season;  21  Then may also my covenant be broken with David my servant, that he should not have a son to reign upon his throne; and with the Levites the priests, my ministers.  22  As the host of heaven cannot be numbered, neither the sand of the sea measured: so will I multiply the seed of David my servant, and the Levites that minister unto me.  23  Moreover the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah, saying,  24  Considerest thou not what this people have spoken, saying, The two families which the LORD hath chosen, he hath even cast them off? thus they have despised my people, that they should be no more a nation before them.  25  Thus saith the LORD; If my covenant be not with day and night, and if I have not appointed the ordinances of heaven and earth;  26  Then will I cast away the seed of Jacob, and David my servant, so that I will not take any of his seed to be rulers over the seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob: for I will cause their captivity to return, and have mercy on them.


If you wish to study this further, take a look at the cross references. GOD makes it abundantly clear that the time, seasons, and harvests are HIS. All good things are from HIM, and it is HE that makes each new day. As Christians, we belong to HIM and should know something about HIS Creation, Power, and Majesty. GOD IS IN CONTROL - NOT MAN! Science makes some men wise if they first understand that GOD is the CREATOR and ALL belongs to HIM. I'm not hinting that men should abuse GOD'S Creation, rather that they think about GOD'S Creation. As an example, do our crops require a carbon product to grow? Let this fact seep in for a moment, and then think about the foolishness of man.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Psalms 103:1-5 NASB  A Psalm of David. Bless the LORD, O my soul, And all that is within me, bless His holy name. Bless the LORD, O my soul, And forget none of His benefits; Who pardons all your iniquities, Who heals all your diseases; Who redeems your life from the pit, Who crowns you with lovingkindness and compassion; Who satisfies your years with good things, So that your youth is renewed like the eagle.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on December 11, 2008, 12:05:37 PM
GOD IS IN CONTROL - NOT MAN! Science makes some men wise if they first understand that GOD is the CREATOR and ALL belongs to HIM. I'm not hinting that men should abuse GOD'S Creation, rather that they think about GOD'S Creation. As an example, do our crops require a carbon product to grow? Let this fact seep in for a moment, and then think about the foolishness of man.

Amen! God is indeed in control and His promises will be kept!

Jer 8:9  The wise men are ashamed, they are dismayed and taken: lo, they have rejected the word of the LORD; and what wisdom is in them?



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on December 11, 2008, 08:46:20 PM
Surprise snow warms Houston hearts
Southern city's fluffy flakes tie 64-year-old record

Falling snowflakes glimmered in streetlights, so wide that they billowed to the ground like parachutes, and so tantalizing that even awestruck adults reached out their hands or stuck out their tongues to catch one.

By Wednesday evening, the flakes were big enough to hold their shape for a moment on the street before melting into the pavement, and a dusting had collected on parked cars in some parts of town.

The flurries tied a record for Houston's earliest snowfall ever and warmed the hearts of winter weather lovers who have pined for snow since it last made an appearance on Christmas Eve 2004.

"I've got a pot roast in the Crock-Pot, and I'm going to go home, change into my warmest pajamas and eat pot roast and enjoy what may be the only real winter day we have all year," said Tina Arnold, an Illinois native who took advantage of the wintry backdrop to pick up Christmas presents Wednesday at The Woodlands Mall.

Since 1895, records indicate, snow has fallen this early just once — on Dec. 10, 1944.

Ali Ahly had been cooped up in an office all day when he stopped to gas up his white Mercedes-Benz near the corner of Hillcroft and the Southwest Freeway at 7:30 p.m.

The 43-year-old, wearing jeans and a leather jacket, stepped out from under the gas station canopy and looked up as the downy flakes sifted toward him. Then he stretched his hand toward the sky.

"This is real snow," he said. "I feel like I'm in Lake Tahoe."

Ahly's 9-year-old daughter is the family's true snow aficionado, he said. She went running around a mall parking lot that afternoon when the flakes began to fall.

"She's going nuts," he said.

Across the street from the gas station, a line formed for lattes and hot chocolate at the Starbucks drive-through window. There was no wait at the cash register inside, however.

"People just don't want to walk inside," said a barista.

Outside, 18-year-old Ingrid Mejia beamed in the brisk night air as her 10-year-old brother shivered in cargo shorts.

"I'm excited," Ingrid said. "I just hope it stays overnight, so it's on the ground when we wake up."

The Lamar High senior wasn't holding her breath for a snow day, though. She couldn't think of a time when winter weather had delayed school.

"I don't think so, unless it gets to be a blizzard," she said hopefully.

Late Wednesday, there were no reports of school or business closings Thursday morning in the Houston area.

Patrick Trahan, a spokesman for the city, said the icy weather was expected to taper off overnight and was not expected to disrupt morning traffic. He added that if conditions did not improve, the Public Works Department would clear the roads this morning.

Forecasters at the Houston/Galveston office of the National Weather Service said clouds and precipitation should give way today to sunshine and temperatures in the upper 50s.

Overnight lows for all areas but those north and west of Harris County were expected to stay above freezing tonight, said the weather service's Paul Lewis.

Snowfall in the metro Houston area Wednesday caught forecasters somewhat by surprise. A significant chance for snowfall didn't show up in computer models until about 9 p.m. Tuesday.

"The midnight crew adjusted the forecast at that time," Lewis said.

Because the ground in the Houston area was relatively warm — 77 degrees as late as Tuesday afternoon — neither snow nor ice was expected to stick and cause major transportation problems for long.

Still, because a freeze was expected to overnight, a winter weather advisory was issued Wednesday evening for much of Southeast Texas, including Harris County, because of the potential for slick, icy conditions north of Interstate 10 on bridges and other exposed areas.

By 9 p.m. Wednesday, the overpass on the Eastex Freeway at the beltway had frozen, authorities said.

"We are asking drivers to be careful on the roadway, mindful of the danger," said Harris County Sheriff's Office spokesman Lt. John Legg.

Daytime highs should return to the 70s by Sunday. Early next week, possibly Monday night, another cold front is expected to reach Houston, but it isn't expected to pack the punch of this week's chilly frontal system.

Wednesday's brush with winter left some Houstonians less enamored with the snowfall, including those stuck in delays of up to three hours at local airports. Drivers unaccustomed to snow encountered difficulties on the roadways, and even getting into their cars.

Paul Ramirez spent several minutes digging through his truck Wednesday evening outside the Fry's electronics store on West Road, trying to find something he could use to scrape the ice and snow from the windshield of his truck.

"It's really coming down," said Ramirez, 33, as he tried dragging a large envelope across his window. "This is crazy. It's Houston — we shouldn't need to keep ice scrapers in our cars."


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on December 13, 2008, 01:03:09 PM
People fill shelters after ice storm knocks out power to 1.25 million customers in Northeast

As it got down into the teens and single digits in New Hampshire, people who lost power from a massive ice storm showed up at some shelters by the dozens.

"We're just loading up more cots and more blankets; I guess we're up to 36 people already," Kevin Pratt, fire chief in the southern New Hampshire town of Raymond said Friday night.

The local middle school usually houses 25 people comfortably, but if the need's there, they'll accommodate, he said. Visitors could eat a spaghetti-and-meatball dinner and take a shower.

"People's houses are getting cold and they're getting cold," Pratt said. "They're wise."

The town has about 10,000 residents, just about all of whom were in the dark following the storm, which left 1.25 million homes and businesses in New England without electricity; some were expected to stay that way for at least several days.

In New Hampshire, emergency management officials, the Red Cross and local communities opened at least 25 shelters across the state.

Gov. John Lynch, who requested a federal emergency declaration in order to receive generators, cots and other supplies from the government, urged residents to check on their neighbors, especially those who are elderly and live alone.

"I think there's no substitute for that kind of neighbor-to-neighbor assistance that New Hampshire is traditionally famous for," Lynch said.

The ice storm compared with some of the Northeast's worst, especially in New Hampshire, where more than half the state — 400,000-plus homes and businesses — was without power. There were far fewer outages during the infamous Ice Storm of '98, when some residents spent more than a week in the dark.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on December 13, 2008, 01:05:24 PM
NWS declares a blizzard warning

The National Weather Service in Grand Forks has issued a blizzard warning for the Red River Valley, west-central Minnesota and northeastern South Dakota from tonight through late Sunday. Blizzard warnings have been issued for this afternoon in western and central North Dakota.

Today, according to NWS, snow is likely after 3 p.m. The temperature will be around 7 by 5 p.m., but wind chills will drop to 15 below. Expect winds to howl from the northeast in the 20 mph range. (Montana winds from the same storm gusted to 56 mph Saturday morning.)

Tonight, expect heavy snow with even stronger winds up to 40 mph. Chance of precipitation is 90 percent. New snow accumulation of 3 to 7 inches is possible.

Expect the worst on Sunday. The storm will linger into Monday with areas of blowing snow up to 25 mph. The high will be no more than 10 below.

The storm, considered to be life-threatening, generally is forecast to bring 2 to 10 inches of snow as it moves across the region. Blowing snow may reduce visibility to zero in open country.

Travel in Minnesota on Sunday is predicted to be dangerous or even impossible because of a mix of freezing rain and snow.

Been here, done that

According to the weather service, this storm has the potential to be similar to the blizzards of 1996-97. “It’s our first real Arctic blast of the year,” said Al Voelker, National Weather Service. “Sunday, the temperatures and the wind chill will be falling during the course of the day and the snow will still be blowing.”

Voelker said Grand Forks likely will see 4 to 8 inches of new snow combine with about 4 inches already on the ground. He said the storm will move slowly, and the strong winds will create some very high drifts.

Stocking up

Storm shoppers and Christmas shoppers likely will create long lines today at grocers and retailers.

Sue Johnson, supervisor at Home of Economy, said Friday shoppers made a run on shovels, boots, gloves and heavy coveralls. Hugo’s on 32nd Avenue South reported the aisles were a little bit busier than usual Friday evening. Tractor Supply managers said they’re anticipating a good sales day for snowblowers.

By Friday afternoon, news of the coming blizzard caused the North Dakota National Guard to cancel a meeting at Camp Grafton near Devils Lake that had been set for Friday evening and most of today. The Legislature’s Administrative Rules Committee, set to meet Monday morning, also has been canceled.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on December 13, 2008, 01:08:51 PM
Much of SD under blizzard warning

A blizzard warning was issued for a large part of South Dakota beginning Saturday night and continuing through much of Sunday.

Three to 5 inches of snow is forecast in much of the warning area, with northerly winds of 25-35 mph gusting to 45 mph. Forecasters said dangerous wind chills will develop Sunday as colder air moves in.

The blizzard warning area is largely north and west of a line from Brookings to Huron to Mitchell and to Lake Andes.

A blizzard watch on Sunday includes the Brookings, Huron and Mitchell areas.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on December 13, 2008, 07:56:11 PM
Manmade CO2 induced global warming now affects graph charts.

__________________

Something is rotten in Norway - 500,000 sq-km of sea ice disappears overnight

by Anthony Watts

I had planned to do a post yesterday evening about how sea ice area and extent had returned to very near normal levels. But I was tired, so I saved off the graphs from the NANSEN arctic sea ice site.

This morning I was shocked to discover that overnight, huge amounts of sea ice simply disappeared. Fortunately I had saved the images and a copy of the webpage last night. Here is the before and after in a blink comparator:

(http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/nansen_sea_ice_extent2-520.gif)
NANSEN sea ice extent comparison to 1979-2000 average, Dec 10 to Dec 11 2008


There is no mention on the NANSEN website as to this change. So either it is an automation error or an undocumented adjustment. Either way, since this is for public consumption, NANSEN owes the public an explanation.

And there is more, see additional blink comparator graphs I’ve added below:

(http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/nansen_sea_ice_extent1-520.gif)
NANSEN sea ice extent, Dec 10 to Dec 11 2008

(http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/nansen_sea_ice_area1-520.gif)
NANSEN sea ice area comparison, Dec 10 to Dec 11 2008

(http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/nansen_sea_ice_area2-520.gif)
NANSEN sea ice extent comparison to 1979-2000 average, Dec 10 to Dec 11 2008

After examining the above, it appears the issue only manifests itself when comparisons to the 1979-2000 monthly average are made. The adjustment starting point appears to start around September 10th - at the summer minimum for both area and extent.

This could be a data processing error, though if so, it is so blatantly obvious to anyone who follows the NANSEN presentation that it immediately stands out. Many people commenting  on this blog and others also saw the change without the benefit of my handy-dandy blinkj comparator above.

That fact that it occurs on a weekend could be viewed as suspicious due to fewer eyes on the website , or an indication that they have sloppy quality control there at NANSEN and this was published via automation with no human inspection prior to the update.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: HisDaughter on December 15, 2008, 01:07:39 PM
Global Warming has hit Seattle pretty hard the past couple of days.  It's supposed to get up to a balmy 29 degrees today!  Whew!  I only used 3 quilts on the bed last night instead of 2.  My, my, my.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on December 15, 2008, 01:12:26 PM
 ;D ;D ;D

Don't you just love it.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on December 15, 2008, 02:26:43 PM
Not So Rare Cold Weather

By Alan Caruba

It’s December, the season of the year in which we in the northern hemisphere are accustomed to hearing about cold weather. It is, after all, winter.

It is, however, also the end of the first decade of a cooling cycle that began in 1998. Every single piece of legislation the in-coming Obama administration bases on the need to “reduce greenhouse gas emissions” to “stop global warming” will be based on a lie.

What Americans, the British, Europeans and others in the northern climes will soon grow accustomed to are longer, harsher winters. At one point during the Little Ice Age from 1300 to 1850 there literally was no summer!

That’s why we keep seeing journalists report “rare” wintry events. Having wed themselves to the global warming hoax for so long, they cannot conceive that everything they reported was a lie and thus greet each new wintry event as “rare” or “unusual” when, in fact, climatologists and meteorologists keep telling them that a big chunk of the Earth is headed for the deep freeze.

In early December, Californians and others were informed that a “Rare 50 year Arctic Blast Sets Sights on Southern California.” Yes, rare in the past, but not so rare in the years ahead. With temperatures in Siberia plunging, the cold air has to go somewhere and Californians are going to experience the spillover.

That’s the thing about the weather; it just doesn’t care if Al Gore and the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change received a Nobel Peace Prize. I noticed at the time that no journalist asked what lying about global warming had to do with peace?

On December 10, Houston received a flurry of snow, tying the record for Houston’s earliest snowfall ever. There hadn’t been any snow in Houston since 2004 and it hadn’t snowed that early since December 10, 1944!

In the same region, New Orleans was blanketed with snow on December 11, the first time in nearly four years that snow had fallen, catching Metairie, Kenner and other suburbs off guard. It was soon replaced by freezing rain.

We are accustomed to looking toward various government agencies to announce their findings and this is particularly true of those charged with predicting the weather or analyzing its trends. It is useful to keep in mind that the best weather computer models can at best make a reasonably accurate prediction about five days out from today.

Short term weather trends, such as those tracked by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) often do not reflect the bigger picture of what is actually occurring.

While New Orleans and Houston were getting early snowfalls, NOAA was announcing that the November weather for the U.S. was “warmer than average”, albeit the January to November temperatures were “near average” for the U.S. According to NOAA, the U.S. is a virtual tropical paradise with an average temperature of 54.9 degrees F. Wait a minute, 54.9 degrees F is cold!

To its credit, NOAA announced that “an early November blizzard forced more than 100 businesses and schools, and Interstate 90, to close in western South Dakota on Nov 5 and 6.” And there were “mountain-enhanced snowfalls across the mountains of Virginia, North Carolina, and extreme northern Georgia.” Turns out that Banner Elk, N.C., recorded 6.2 inches of snow “making it the snowiest November since 1983.”

Here’s a tip when reading NOAA and other government news releases about the weather. Skip the headline and get into the heart of the text. While November was “warmer than average”, it was still cold and early snowfalls were occurring.

This is not rocket science, nor does it take a lot of brainpower to figure out that colder weather, blizzards and such, are becoming the “average” for the world’s northern hemisphere and there are increasing cold weather events affecting the southern hemisphere as well.

The global warming hoax was and is intended to wreck the economies of the U.S. and other developed, western nations. It’s proposed “carbon taxes” and “cap-and-trade” programs have NOTHING to do with the actual climate or weather.


If Americans do not PROTEST the Obama administration efforts to limit the ability of energy industries to acquire coal, natural gas, and nuclear power, we will all end up FREEZING IN THE DARK.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on December 16, 2008, 12:36:35 AM
The GLOBAL WARMING HOAX AND CON GAME are falling apart as we speak. The scientists who supposedly said all kinds of things DIDN'T and were GROSSLY MISREPRESENTED. There are many thousands of other scientists who are also coming forward in mass to call global warming what it is: A MASSIVE HOAX AND CON GAME.

Average people are becoming informed now. The politicians will need to be careful about what they attempt to do in furthering this HOAX AND CON GAME or they will find themselves facing charges. Some of these politicians are being pushed by far-left supporters who might actually believe part of the global warming garbage. I actually question the motives for their global warming initiatives. For many, it furthers SOCIALISM and has nothing to do with the lies of global warming, so they have other AGENDAS. Regardless, average folks are becoming more educated on the issue AND WILL hold the politicians accountable. The bottom line is very simple:  only the RICH can afford to play the global warming lies, and it will make them much richer. The poor folks paying the bills won't put up with it because they are NOW learning about the CON GAME. Let's tell it like it is: the GLOBAL WARMING CON GAME has CRIMINAL CONSEQUENCES. It's one thing to talk about it and quite another to try and implement the criminal acts associated with global warming initiatives. It would involve CRIMINAL FRAUD at the very least and involve millions of victims. Average people will soon know that the so-called facts about global warming are nothing but lies for criminals to use.

POLITICIANS TRYING TO MAKE THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE PUBLIC VICTIMS OF FRAUD WOULD NOT BE VERY SMART! WHY? - THE PEOPLE ALSO OWN PRISONS!


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: HisDaughter on December 18, 2008, 12:17:02 PM
Things really seem pretty clear to me.  All of this has to happen.  If we hypothesize that we are headed for another "Little Ice Age" doesn't that fall in line with the famine that will surely come?  Also the fact that the weather is turning colder now, proving that Global Warming is a hoax, adds to the chaos that must happen along with Obamanation thrown into the works.  We have to have absolute chaos in order for a one world government to look appealing to enough people to accept it.  But does this make sense to anyone else?  I think it does.  All of the corruptness in our government (too numerous to mention) including that the Supreme Court seemingly is absolutly unwilling to do anything about the Obama birth certificate factor, falls right in line of how how country is rotting from the inside out and will without a doubt fall and fall hard.  You can add scenerio upon scenerio about what will happen after that around the whole world, including the ramafications to Israel.

I mentioned the phrase, "The writing is on the wall" in another thread this morning, and it is there folks.  Let him who has ears to hear, hear.  All the rest of you better get your hearing checked!


Matthew 13:15
For this people's heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them.'


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: HisDaughter on December 18, 2008, 12:25:09 PM
By the way...Global warming in Seattle this morning looks white and about 2 inches deep.  "Rare" for Seattle at this time of year....at least since I was kid.  Cycles, right?


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on December 18, 2008, 01:25:15 PM
Yep, cycles and yes it does make sense when looked at from a biblical perspective.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Shammu on December 18, 2008, 01:32:46 PM
Quote from: Grammy
We have to have absolute chaos in order for a one world government to look appealing to enough people to accept it.  But does this make sense to anyone else?  I think it does.


Yes it makes perfect sense to me.

By the way...Global warming in Seattle this morning looks white and about 2 inches deep.  "Rare" for Seattle at this time of year....at least since I was kid.  Cycles, right?


I remember back in 1967, snow in Los Angeles.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on December 18, 2008, 02:06:30 PM
In Jan/Feb of 75 there was a snow storm that took 20 mins to close Snoqualmie Pass with over 5 ft of snow. I barely made it back to my apt in Redmond before the street getting to my apt was also closed. The Dec before that there were numerous incidents of snow and ice storms that kept me from getting up the hill from my apt complex. The following winter I was going outside in t-shirts it was so warm.

History records several times before the official weather records were started nationwide where Los Angeles and San Diego have had snow. The passes headed out of LA going north have been made impassible by snow storms.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: HisDaughter on December 18, 2008, 04:17:58 PM
Our Global Warming is now 4 to 6 inches deep and still coming down.  I have to tell you that Seattleites have no idea what to do with it and the last thing that would occur to them is to stay home.  I know that where some of you are, this is a miniscule amount and so you will laugh with me...
I was just out on my deck which over looks Hwy 99.  This is the old highway that was the only route (before my time) that went from Canada through Calif.  Parts of it are just road and parts of it are just gone.  The part that I can see from my deck is still a freeway.  Anyway.....I was just standing out there checking things out when I hear a loud speaker say, "EVERYONE TURN AROUND AND GO THE CORRECT WAY ON THE FREEWAY!!"  This was said twice, the second time with some disscust (sp?) and frustration.  I look out to the freeway and at least 10 cars (the ones I could count) were headed the wrong way, off to one side, trying to get off the freeway!  It really only took them ALL only about 5 minutes to get turned around but in that time I could see a "back up about a mile long!

So here's the question: If the density of stupidity is a quarter mile long heading in just one direction what is the total density of stupidity heading in both directions and what is the name of the conductor on the train that has no place what so ever in my story?   ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on December 18, 2008, 04:36:41 PM
lol ... maybe the conductor lost his way also?

 :D :D

I've used portions of Hwy 99 many times before I-5 was complete. Much of I-5 was built right over top Hwy 99 in many places.

6 inches of snow is quite a bit for there. Even though we have received more than 6 inches before it is still sometimes enough to close things down here. Even then we still see a lot of that same stupidity. Drivers here either tend to think they can still drive as if the roads were dry or they go to a crawl when it isn't necessary.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on December 18, 2008, 05:06:08 PM
We were supposed to get some rough winter weather here, but it didn't happen except for some wind and cold temperatures. They say that we might have another chance for snow and ice next week.

You're right about many people not having a clue about how to drive on snow and ice. It's almost like a demolition derby in some places that don't have snow and ice often. We rarely have any accumulation of snow and ice here, so it's a nightmare when we do. I remember times in winter storms of over 100 accidents an hour, and that's horrible for a city with less that 150,000 population. I can't imagine what it would be like in a big city not used to snow and ice. I remember trying to work out in those winter storms, and it was a pretty good trick just to keep from being run over. I haven't heard yet, but Arizona where Brother Bob lives was supposed to get 8 inches of snow. That much up in the mountains would shut things down unless you had some sort of 4-wheel drive vehicle pretty high off the ground.

YES - this Global Warming is horrible.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on December 18, 2008, 05:26:30 PM
8 inches would put a hamper on those steeper inclines. I have driven a 1980 Pontiac station wagon through snow that was above the hood of the car just in order to get home. A lot of other vehicles got stuck or slid off the road into the ditches. One of them was a 4wheel drive. I don't think I would want to attempt that in the mountains though. Some of those roads have some pretty big dropoffs along the side.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on December 18, 2008, 06:01:22 PM
8 inches would put a hamper on those steeper inclines. I have driven a 1980 Pontiac station wagon through snow that was above the hood of the car just in order to get home. A lot of other vehicles got stuck or slid off the road into the ditches. One of them was a 4wheel drive. I don't think I would want to attempt that in the mountains though. Some of those roads have some pretty big dropoffs along the side.



Brother,

I wouldn't have any confidence driving on snow and ice up in the mountains or on steep inclines or declines. We used chains in police work when we had snow and ice, and that helps a bunch. However, I wouldn't want to try chains in the mountains. If I absolutely had to, I might try cleated chains in some sort of an emergency. Otherwise, I wouldn't be driving in the mountains on snow and ice. One must also be concerned with what other drivers do or don't do. Up in the mountains, that's just too much to be out unless you have a good reason or an emergency.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Shammu on December 19, 2008, 01:50:54 AM
I haven't heard yet, but Arizona where Brother Bob lives was supposed to get 8 inches of snow. That much up in the mountains would shut things down unless you had some sort of 4-wheel drive vehicle pretty high off the ground.

YES - this Global Warming is horrible.

8 inches?? ???

Brother, I have driven a car in 18 inches of snow, and plowed the road with my car. In fact, my Escort last year had snow coming over the hood.

Yes, I do have a 1969 4X4 Chev 3/4 ton truck I sometimes use for bad weather. That's when the snow is over 2 feet though. Mainly I use the truck for carrying heavy stuff, cause of the gas mileage. The (poor) truck only gets 81/2 MPG in town 11 MPG per gallon on the highway.  :'(  Where as the Escort gets 38 MPG in town, and 52 MPG on the highway.  ;D


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on December 19, 2008, 08:36:56 AM
Brother Bob,

If you're talking about steep inclines and declines for any distance, I would say that you need to give lessons. Ice layers would also be interesting. Can I assume that you don't live near the more radical grades? Just thinking out loud.   ;)


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Shammu on December 19, 2008, 02:24:12 PM
Brother Bob,

If you're talking about steep inclines and declines for any distance, I would say that you need to give lessons. Ice layers would also be interesting. Can I assume that you don't live near the more radical grades? Just thinking out loud.   ;)

My driveway is about a 40 degree incline. I'm not sure if that is radical or not though. One thing about driving on snow and ice is common sense. Something this world has forgotten about. If conditions are bad enough just slow your speed down. :D 

The rule of thumb I tell everyone is, if don't go faster then it is safe to drive. If the speed limit is 65, but conditions are ok for 45, then do 45 not 65. There have been a few times, Ive had cops follow me.

Yes I know brother, I'm weird. :P


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on December 19, 2008, 10:00:42 PM
Sun Still In Deep Slumber - 2008 Now Ranks #2 Since 1900 in # Sunspotless Days

With the number of sunspotless days reaching 16 so far this month, we have now exceeded 1912 as the 2nd quietest sun year since 1900. Only 1913 ranked higher with 311 days. With 12 more days this month as of this writing, we could reach as high as 266 days. Note that 2007 also ranked in the top 10.

And guess what? An extreme cold period hit the world in 1912 and 1913 just as it is doing now.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on December 19, 2008, 10:18:53 PM
Record snowstorm shuts down Spokane
The most snow - ever! – in a 24-hour period


The winter storm that paralyzed Spokane set a record for the amount of snow dumped in a 24-hour period, the National Weather Service said Thursday.

Some 17 inches of snow was recorded at Spokane International Airport, 4 inches more than the record 13 inches set in 1984. Records have been kept since 1881.

More than 3 additional inches of snow had fallen on the city since 4 a.m., the weather service said, driving the total to more than 20 inches.

Last year the region endured one of the snowiest winters in its history.

..... and there is more yet to come.


Parade of winter storms to continue into Hanukkah and Christmas

Three more storms will travel from the West Coast to the Midwest to the Northeast in the days leading up to the holiday, producing substantial snow and soaking rain over the Midwest and Northeast. A layer of ice will be sandwiched in between.

The current storm train will emerge onto the Plains tonight, but not before blanketing the southern Rockies with up to a foot of snow today.

Between 6 to 12 inches is forecast from southern Wisconsin to southern New England, including the cities of Detroit, Buffalo and Boston.

Twenty-two inches of snow blanketed Llano, California, in the upper deserts northeast of Los Angeles. Wrightwood, a nearby mountain, received 30 inches.

Another storm will likely dump more snow the two days before Christmas.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on December 20, 2008, 12:48:30 PM
Scientists: Man caused global warming ... 8,000 years ago
Study says development of agriculture has prevented new ice age

ScienceDaily (Dec. 18, 2008) — The common wisdom is that the invention of the steam engine and the advent of the coal-fueled industrial age marked the beginning of human influence on global climate.

But gathering physical evidence, backed by powerful simulations on the world's most advanced computer climate models, is reshaping that view and lending strong support to the radical idea that human-induced climate change began not 200 years ago, but thousands of years ago with the onset of large-scale agriculture in Asia and extensive deforestation in Europe.

What's more, according to the same computer simulations, the cumulative effect of thousands of years of human influence on climate is preventing the world from entering a new glacial age, altering a clockwork rhythm of periodic cooling of the planet that extends back more than a million years.

"This challenges the paradigm that things began changing with the Industrial Revolution," says Stephen Vavrus, a climatologist at the University of Wisconsin-Madison's Center for Climatic Research and the Nelson Institute for Environmental Studies. "If you think about even a small rate of increase over a long period of time, it becomes important."

Addressing scientists on Dec 17 at a meeting of the American Geophysical Union, Vavrus and colleagues John Kutzbach and Gwenaëlle Philippon provided detailed evidence in support of a controversial idea first put forward by climatologist William F. Ruddiman of the University of Virginia. That idea, debated for the past several years by climate scientists, holds that the introduction of large-scale rice agriculture in Asia, coupled with extensive deforestation in Europe began to alter world climate by pumping significant amounts of greenhouse gases — methane from terraced rice paddies and carbon dioxide from burning forests — into the atmosphere. In turn, a warmer atmosphere heated the oceans making them much less efficient storehouses of carbon dioxide and reinforcing global warming.

That one-two punch, say Kutzbach and Vavrus, was enough to set human-induced climate change in motion.

"No one disputes the large rate of increase in greenhouse gases with the Industrial Revolution," Kutzbach notes. "The large-scale burning of coal for industry has swamped everything else" in the record.

But looking farther back in time, using climatic archives such as 850,000-year-old ice core records from Antarctica, scientists are teasing out evidence of past greenhouse gases in the form of fossil air trapped in the ice. That ancient air, say Vavrus and Kutzbach, contains the unmistakable signature of increased levels of atmospheric methane and carbon dioxide beginning thousands of years before the industrial age.

"Between 5,000 and 8,000 years ago, both methane and carbon dioxide started an upward trend, unlike during previous interglacial periods," explains Kutzbach. Indeed, Ruddiman has shown that during the latter stages of six previous interglacials, greenhouse gases trended downward, not upward. Thus, the accumulation of greenhouse gases over the past few thousands of years, the Wisconsin-Virginia team argue, is very likely forestalling the onset of a new glacial cycle, such as have occurred at regular 100,000-year intervals during the last million years. Each glacial period has been paced by regular and predictable changes in the orbit of the Earth known as Milankovitch cycles, a mechanism thought to kick start glacial cycles.

"We're at a very favorable state right now for increased glaciation," says Kutzbach. "Nature is favoring it at this time in orbital cycles, and if humans weren't in the picture it would probably be happening today."

Importantly, the new research underscores the key role of greenhouse gases in influencing Earth's climate. Whereas decreasing greenhouse gases in the past helped initiate glaciations, the early agricultural and recent industrial increases in greenhouse gases may be forestalling them, say Kutzbach and Vavrus.

Using three different climate models and removing the amount of greenhouse gases humans have injected into the atmosphere during the past 5,000 to 8,000 years, Vavrus and Kutzbach observed more permanent snow and ice cover in regions of Canada, Siberia, Greenland and the Rocky Mountains, all known to be seed regions for glaciers from previous ice ages. Vavrus notes: "With every feedback we've included, it seems to support the hypothesis (of a forestalled ice age) even more. We keep getting the same answer."


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on December 20, 2008, 12:55:27 PM
With the science of global warming falling flat on it's face those scientists that have been global warming advocates are fighting to save face. They are struggling and grasping at any straw in the dark just to maintain their false theories and continued attempt to prove that they are right and God is wrong.

Even if they were correct in saying that mankind is responsible for global warming (which they aren't) what is wrong with this? A glacial age would be detrimental to both the earth and to all living things on the earth.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: HisDaughter on December 20, 2008, 01:26:16 PM
Record snowstorm shuts down Spokane
The most snow - ever! – in a 24-hour period


The winter storm that paralyzed Spokane set a record for the amount of snow dumped in a 24-hour period, the National Weather Service said Thursday.

Some 17 inches of snow was recorded at Spokane International Airport, 4 inches more than the record 13 inches set in 1984. Records have been kept since 1881.

More than 3 additional inches of snow had fallen on the city since 4 a.m., the weather service said, driving the total to more than 20 inches.

Last year the region endured one of the snowiest winters in its history.

..... and there is more yet to come.


Parade of winter storms to continue into Hanukkah and Christmas

Three more storms will travel from the West Coast to the Midwest to the Northeast in the days leading up to the holiday, producing substantial snow and soaking rain over the Midwest and Northeast. A layer of ice will be sandwiched in between.

The current storm train will emerge onto the Plains tonight, but not before blanketing the southern Rockies with up to a foot of snow today.

Between 6 to 12 inches is forecast from southern Wisconsin to southern New England, including the cities of Detroit, Buffalo and Boston.

Twenty-two inches of snow blanketed Llano, California, in the upper deserts northeast of Los Angeles. Wrightwood, a nearby mountain, received 30 inches.

Another storm will likely dump more snow the two days before Christmas.



One of my grandaughters and one of my best friends live in Spokane.  My grandaughter is supposed to fly into Seattle today for Christmas break.  We are still waiting to see if she can make it.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on December 20, 2008, 01:48:23 PM
There is one good thing about the extremely COLD weather. It might slow down or stop the nude bicycle riding.    ;D


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on December 20, 2008, 05:29:46 PM
Nearly 1500 cold temp records & 770 snow records set in U.S. in past week!
Atlanta Bismarck Boise Butte Chicago Denver Houston Miami Minneapolis Mobile New York Oklahoma City Phoenix Portland Raleigh San Francisco Seattle St. Louis

Yep, "human influence on climate is preventing the world from entering a new glacial age" ... ri-ight....


 ::) ::)



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Shammu on December 20, 2008, 11:23:28 PM
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Using three different climate models and removing the amount of greenhouse gases humans have injected into the atmosphere during the past 5,000 to 8,000 years

That would be kind of hard, since this world is only 6,000 years old. ;D ;D

There is one good thing about the extremely COLD weather. It might slow down or stop the nude bicycle riding.    ;D

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Nearly 1500 cold temp records & 770 snow records set in U.S. in past week!
Atlanta Bismarck Boise Butte Chicago Denver Houston Miami Minneapolis Mobile New York Oklahoma City Phoenix Portland Raleigh San Francisco Seattle St. Louis

Yep, "human influence on climate is preventing the world from entering a new glacial age" ... ri-ight....


 ::) ::)



I don't know about y'all but, we had a heat wave here. It got up to 44 degrees, now that is above the norm. My normal temp here is around 33-35 degrees. But it is suppose to cool back down Monday.

I kind of enjoyed the warmth today. :D :D :D :D

With the science of global warming falling flat on it's face those scientists that have been global warming advocates are fighting to save face. They are struggling and grasping at any straw in the dark just to maintain their false theories and continued attempt to prove that they are right and God is wrong.


All man can do is lie to get his way.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: HisDaughter on December 21, 2008, 01:08:43 AM
I just got home.  Buses are few and far between.  We've got another snow storm that is expected to drop 6-8in on top of the 4-6 that we had the other day.  At my house we've already got the extra 5 and it only started late this afternoon.  It's expected to last all day tomorrow.

If Al Gore were here I would make him lay down, at squirtgun point and make snow angles while hollering to the world: "I'm an idiot!!", "I'm a liar!!", I'm an idiot!!"
What a moron.

At least my grandaughter made it in from Spokane so I will have all my grandchildren here for Christmas! (She is only 6 just in case some you think I'm old...I'M NOT!)   ;D :o ;D


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on December 21, 2008, 10:42:06 AM
I just got home.  Buses are few and far between.  We've got another snow storm that is expected to drop 6-8in on top of the 4-6 that we had the other day.  At my house we've already got the extra 5 and it only started late this afternoon.  It's expected to last all day tomorrow.

If Al Gore were here I would make him lay down, at squirtgun point and make snow angles while hollering to the world: "I'm an idiot!!", "I'm a liar!!", I'm an idiot!!"
What a moron.

Obama needs to be right along side of him.

_____________

If politics were a beach, President-elect Barack Obama would be kicking a little Al Gore sand onto President Bush today.

In his Saturday web address to the nation, the next president, in announcing the completion of his White House science team, says his administration will be marked by a respect for scientific inquiry even when the truths it reveals are "inconvenient."

Obama said in part:

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Because the truth is that promoting science isn't just about providing resources--it's about protecting free and open inquiry. It's about ensuring that facts and evidence are never twisted or obscured by politics or ideology. It's about listening to what our scientists have to say, even when it's inconvenient--especially when it's inconvenient. Because the highest purpose of science is the search for knowledge, truth and a greater understanding of the world around us. That will be my goal as President of the United States--and I could not have a better team to guide me in this work.

Former Vice President Gore has spent recent years castigating Bush and his administration for ignoring scientific results that didn't fit with their conservative worldview, a critique that culminated in Gore's Oscar-winning movie "An Inconvenient Truth" and in his winning a Nobel Prize.

It was a criticism made by many others that appeared to be borne out by reporting by journalists.

Those days are over, Obama was essentially saying.

Obama's science team includes Harvard University professor John Holdren who will be assistant to the President for Science and Technology and Director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy.

Dr. Harold Varmus, a Nobel-Prize winning cancer researcher and onetime Director of the National Institutes of Health, and Eric Lander of MIT and Harvard, a leader of the Human Genome Project, were named Council of Advisors on Science and Technology co-chairs.

Also, Jane Lubchenco, an Oregon State University marine scientist respected for her environmental research, was named administrator of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration which is part of the Commerce Department.


At least my grandaughter made it in from Spokane so I will have all my grandchildren here for Christmas! (She is only 6 just in case some you think I'm old...I'M NOT!)   ;D :o ;D

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Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: HisDaughter on December 21, 2008, 11:20:04 AM
quote: Because the highest purpose of science is the search for knowledge, truth and a greater understanding of the world around us.  

I thought that's what we turned to GOD for.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on December 21, 2008, 11:26:06 AM
quote: Because the highest purpose of science is the search for knowledge, truth and a greater understanding of the world around us.  

I thought that's what we turned to GOD for.

Only those that believe in Him do. Others turn to their false god's.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: HisDaughter on December 21, 2008, 11:42:13 AM
Only those that believe in Him do. Others turn to their false god's.



Exactly.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: HisDaughter on December 21, 2008, 11:54:07 AM
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Dan DeLong / P-ITwo buses slid down the snow- and ice-covered East Thomas Street, hitting each other and then careening on through a guardrail on Melrose Avenue East, and finally stopping, 20 to 30 feet above Interstate 5.
Students screamed as bus crashed through I-5 barrier
'Start praying now'
By MIKE BARBER, BRAD WONG AND KERY MURAKAMI
P-I REPORTERS

Packed with students ready for the holidays, two chartered buses headed downtown Friday on Seattle's icy, snowy streets.

Drivers had taken the buses -- weighing tens of thousands of pounds -- down East Thomas Street because it is part of a loop used by buses exiting northbound Interstate 5 onto Olive Way. They can't turn left where Olive crosses Denny Way.

Suddenly, "I was watching the cars drive below us," said Jesse Till, a 20-year-old passenger who was on the phone with his mother at the time.

The two Northwestern Trailways buses slid down the snow-covered cobblestones of East Thomas on Capitol Hill and smashed into each other, careening through a guardrail on Melrose Avenue East, 20 to 30 feet above Interstate 5.

Till's one thought: "I'm going to die."

The buses were caravanning about 80 students with the Columbia Basin Job Corps home for Christmas break from Moses Lake to Seattle's Greyhound bus station. A third bus in the caravan escaped the crash.

Instead of reaching the station, the buses came to rest with their front ends hanging over I-5.

Seattle police were investigating the accident Friday, but a report could take months to complete, department spokeswoman Renee Witt said.

Neither driver received a citation at the scene, she said, and "drivers were not aware of the icy conditions on East Thomas."

Rick Sheridan, a Seattle Department of Transportation spokesman, said transportation crews keep a list of streets that could be closed because of snow and ice.

"It is not one that we typically highlight for being closed," he said. "But again, it's all about conditions of a specific storm."

Witt was uncertain whether East Thomas was officially open or not. Exactly why the street had vehicles traveling on it, including buses that measured 40 to 45 feet, remained unclear Friday.

All the passengers got off the buses with mainly minor injuries. A dozen, ranging in age from 18 to 23, were taken to Harborview Medical Center as a precaution.

They suffered bumps, bruises, minor cuts, and neck and knee pain, a hospital spokeswoman said.

A representative for Northwestern Trailways, which has offices in Spokane and Boise, Idaho, said Friday evening that supervisors were unavailable to comment.

On Friday night, crews managed to remove the buses, a state transportation spokeswoman said. The accident, which occurred around 12:30 p.m., had closed the two right northbound lanes of Interstate 5, causing a half-mile backup. All lanes of I-5 near Denny should be open by Saturday morning.

Till, a Tacoma resident who was on the first bus, said he knew something was wrong when it started down the hill. As he talked on the phone with his mother, Patty Till, he grabbed his friend's knee.

Patty Till, who was going to meet him at the Greyhound station in Tacoma, panicked and raced to Seattle.

"I just heard a lot of chaos and crashing sounds," she said.

Passenger Rico Collins, 16, said the buses exited I-5 at Olive Way, taking a route westbound down East Thomas. The first bus hit the railing and the second apparently turned at the last moment striking it on the side instead of the rear.

"It almost pushed the first bus off," said Jessica Gilbertson, a 19-year-old from Burien who was on the second bus.

Students pulled emergency window latches and jumped out windows.

"I was just sitting in the back of the bus, and I didn't think anything like this would happen," said Collins, who was on the second bus.

Another passenger on the second bus, Alex Hammell, 16, of Bothell, said passengers were telling the driver, "Don't go down this hill." Windows shattered, and people were cut, he said.

Gilbertson was sitting in the middle section of the second bus' right side. She quickly spotted the first bus, which was stuck. "I saw the tail end of the (other) bus come right at my face," she said.

Jeremy Barker, who lives on East Thomas, did not see the accident but said the street, a steep cobblestone road covered by snow Friday, is a common route for buses headed to the Greyhound station.

Buses leave northbound I-5 at Olive Way, Barker said. The streets are configured so that those exiting the freeway can't turn left to go west on Denny Way.

Buses must make a left from Olive onto Bellevue Avenue East; from there, the next left they can make is onto East Thomas.

"I don't think the city knows that it (Thomas) is a bus route, it's a minor street or else I think the city would have closed it," Barker said.

Judi Milburn said she saw the accident as she was walking down Thomas.

Had the second bus not turned, it would have hit the first bus square-on from the rear and knocked it over the barrier, Milburn said.

The Columbia Basin Job Corps is a federal education and job-training program for students 16 to 24 years old, who live on residential campuses.

One student, Brittney Doyle, 18, of Enumclaw, who was on the first bus in a fourth row seat, said the bus began to slide as it descended the hill, hitting the curb.

"I started praying when we bumped the curb. I was like, 'Oh, my God, start praying now,' " she said.

As the bus gained momentum, Doyle said she looked across to the other side of the freeway and fixed her eyes on a sign. "I just saw the Evergreen Bank sign getting closer and closer and I thought, 'Oh, my God, we're not going to stop,' " she said. "When we were hit by the second bus everybody started panicking. They all scrambled out the (emergency) windows."

Passenger Cody Lamb, 22, was unhurt and made it to the Greyhound Bus station at Eighth Avenue and Stewart Street, where his mother, Evelyn Lamb, who knew about the accident, waited.

When she saw Cody arrive unhurt, she cried, "There he is ... I was wondering if he was hurt. I was scared to death."

She was just happy to have her son home safe.

"We don't have much for Christmas," she said. "It was just going to be us."



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: HisDaughter on December 21, 2008, 12:57:33 PM
Winter Weather Blasts Nation From Coast to Coast
Sunday, December 21, 2008

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Dec. 20: A giant star on a Macy's store shines as heavy snow falls late at night in downtown Seattle.

 SEATTLE —  A fierce winter storm blew in from the Pacific with up to 2 feet of snow and icy wind, creating a nightmare for holiday travelers already stymied by winter's fury across the northern half of the country.

Snow, sleet and freezing rain caused treacherous driving conditions throughout the Pacific Northwest. Sections of two major highways — Interstate 84 in Oregon east of Portland, and Interstate 90 in Washington — were closed overnight into Sunday and authorities urged people not to drive unless it was an emergency.

"It is extremely dangerous to be on the roads at this time," said Multnomah County Deputy Paul McRedmond, sheriff's spokesman.

Centralia, about 25 miles south of Olympia, had already received 9 inches Saturday night. The Seattle area was predicted to get 4 to 8 inches, and early Sunday had a wind chill of 15, the national Weather Service said.

"It'll be nasty well into Sunday evening," said Jonathan Wolfe, a weather service meteorologist.

A blizzard warning was posted for parts of the Columbia River Gorge between the two states.

Winter Storms Grip the Nation Authorities closed a 45-mile stretch of Interstate 84 from the Portland suburb of Troutdale to East River, Ore., and Interstate 90 across Snoqualmie Pass in the Cascade Range, Washington's main east-west roadway. There was no indication how long the highways would be closed.

The storm striking the Northwest on the first official day of winter was the third major cold-weather system to punch the country in two days. Northeasterners, many still recovering from an ice storm earlier in the week, dug out Saturday from several inches of snow the night before, and Midwesterners coped with weekend blizzard conditions.

Blizzard warnings were in effect Sunday for parts of northern Illinois, Iowa and southern Minnesota, the weather service said.

Homeless people filled shelters in Chicago, where the Sunday morning low was 6 below zero, with a wind chill down to about 29 below. Jennifer Martinez of the city's Office of Emergency Management and Communication said social service workers went out to check on people living on the streets and the elderly who live alone.

Parts of Michigan had gotten 13 inches of snow from the latest storm.

As of Saturday, the December snowfall total in Bismarck, N.D., nearly equaled the 19.3-inch accumulation for of all last winter, said weather service meteorologist Joshua Scheck.

"The thing about North Dakota is that it's extreme," Scheck said. "For several years we haven't had an aggressive winter like this."

"If you get caught in this stuff, it really is life-threatening," said Dan Miller, science and operations officer at the weather service in Duluth, Minn.

Authorities warned that the latest storm could deliver a wallop as it moved eastward, potentially causing new power outages.

Gov. John Lynch of New Hampshire, where more than 20,000 homes and businesses were still in the dark Saturday, noted the long wait and the threat of further power failures, with a chance of up to 16 inches of snow forecast for the southern part of the state.

"I continue to hear frustration from the local communities regarding communication with the utilities, and I share their frustration," he said.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on December 22, 2008, 02:40:45 PM
Prominent Scientist Fired By Gore Says Warming Alarm ‘Mistaken’


Joins Senate Report of More Than 650 Dissenting Scientists. Award winning Princeton University Physicist Dr. Will Happer, who was reportedly fired by former Vice President Al Gore in 1993 for failing to adhere to Gore�s scientific views, has now declared man-made global warming fears “mistaken.”

“I am convinced that the current alarm over carbon dioxide is mistaken,” Happer, who has published over 200 scientific papers, told EPW on December 22, 2008. Happer made his remarks while requesting to join the 2008 U.S. Senate Minority Report from Environment and Public Works Ranking Member James Inhofe (R-OK) of over 650 (and growing) dissenting international scientists disputing anthropogenic climate fears. [Note: Joining Happer as new additions to the Senate report, are at least 8 more scientists, including meteorologists from Germany, Netherlands and CNN, as well as a professors from MIT and University of Arizona.

“I had the privilege of being fired by Al Gore, since I refused to go along with his alarmism. I did not need the job that badly,” Happer said this week. Happer is a Professor at the Department of Physics at Princeton University and former Director of Energy Research at the Department of Energy from 1990 to 1993, has published over 200 scientific papers, and is a fellow of the American Physical Society, The American Association for the Advancement of Science, and the National Academy of Sciences.

Senator Inhofe said that the continued outpouring of prominent scientists like Happer—who are willing to publicly dissent from climate fears—are yet another strike to the UN, Gore and the media’s claims about global warming. “The endless claims of a ‘consensus’ about man-made global warming grow less-and-less credible every day,” Inhofe said.

Happer, who served as the Director of Energy Research at the Department of Energy in 1993, says he was fired by Gore in 1993 for not going along with Gore’s scientific views on ozone and climate issues. “I was told that science was not going to intrude on policy,” Happer explained in 1993.

“I have spent a long research career studying physics that is closely related to the greenhouse effect, for example, absorption and emission of visible and infrared radiation, and fluid flow,” Happer said this week. “Fears about man-made global warming are unwarranted and are not based on good science. The earth’s climate is changing now, as it always has. There is no evidence that the changes differ in any qualitative way from those of the past,” he added. 



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on December 22, 2008, 03:13:15 PM
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“I am convinced that the current alarm over carbon dioxide is mistaken,” Happer, who has published over 200 scientific papers, told EPW on December 22, 2008. Happer made his remarks while requesting to join the 2008 U.S. Senate Minority Report from Environment and Public Works Ranking Member James Inhofe (R-OK) of over 650 (and growing) dissenting international scientists disputing anthropogenic climate fears. [Note: Joining Happer as new additions to the Senate report, are at least 8 more scientists, including meteorologists from Germany, Netherlands and CNN, as well as a professors from MIT and University of Arizona.

James Inhofe has been my choice for Senate for many years. He has common sense, honesty, and courage. He's one of my favorite politicians, and I'm happy to hear that someone of his stature is taking on the Al Gore BALONEY! They will probably try to make him pay for standing up, but Inhofe will stand up anyway.


Title: 2008 was the year man-made global warming was disproved
Post by: Shammu on December 29, 2008, 01:15:54 AM
2008 was the year man-made global warming was disproved
By Christopher Booker
28 Dec 2008

The first, on May 21, headed "Climate change threat to Alpine ski resorts" , reported that the entire Alpine "winter sports industry" could soon "grind to a halt for lack of snow". The second, on December 19, headed "The Alps have best snow conditions in a generation" , reported that this winter's Alpine snowfalls "look set to beat all records by New Year's Day".

Easily one of the most important stories of 2008 has been all the evidence suggesting that this may be looked back on as the year when there was a turning point in the great worldwide panic over man-made global warming. Just when politicians in Europe and America have been adopting the most costly and damaging measures politicians have ever proposed, to combat this supposed menace, the tide has turned in three significant respects.

First, all over the world, temperatures have been dropping in a way wholly unpredicted by all those computer models which have been used as the main drivers of the scare. Last winter, as temperatures plummeted, many parts of the world had snowfalls on a scale not seen for decades. This winter, with the whole of Canada and half the US under snow, looks likely to be even worse. After several years flatlining, global temperatures have dropped sharply enough to cancel out much of their net rise in the 20th century.

Ever shriller and more frantic has become the insistence of the warmists, cheered on by their army of media groupies such as the BBC, that the last 10 years have been the "hottest in history" and that the North Pole would soon be ice-free – as the poles remain defiantly icebound and those polar bears fail to drown. All those hysterical predictions that we are seeing more droughts and hurricanes than ever before have infuriatingly failed to materialise.

Even the more cautious scientific acolytes of the official orthodoxy now admit that, thanks to "natural factors" such as ocean currents, temperatures have failed to rise as predicted (although they plaintively assure us that this cooling effect is merely "masking the underlying warming trend", and that the temperature rise will resume worse than ever by the middle of the next decade).

Secondly, 2008 was the year when any pretence that there was a "scientific consensus" in favour of man-made global warming collapsed. At long last, as in the Manhattan Declaration last March, hundreds of proper scientists, including many of the world's most eminent climate experts, have been rallying to pour scorn on that "consensus" which was only a politically engineered artefact, based on ever more blatantly manipulated data and computer models programmed to produce no more than convenient fictions.

Thirdly, as banks collapsed and the global economy plunged into its worst recession for decades, harsh reality at last began to break in on those self-deluding dreams which have for so long possessed almost every politician in the western world. As we saw in this month's Poznan conference, when 10,000 politicians, officials and "environmentalists" gathered to plan next year's "son of Kyoto" treaty in Copenhagen, panicking politicians are waking up to the fact that the world can no longer afford all those quixotic schemes for "combating climate change" with which they were so happy to indulge themselves in more comfortable times.

Suddenly it has become rather less appealing that we should divert trillions of dollars, pounds and euros into the fantasy that we could reduce emissions of carbon dioxide by 80 per cent. All those grandiose projects for "emissions trading", "carbon capture", building tens of thousands more useless wind turbines, switching vast areas of farmland from producing food to "biofuels", are being exposed as no more than enormously damaging and futile gestures, costing astronomic sums we no longer possess.

As 2009 dawns, it is time we in Britain faced up to the genuine crisis now fast approaching from the fact that – unless we get on very soon with building enough proper power stations to fill our looming "energy gap" - within a few years our lights will go out and what remains of our economy will judder to a halt. After years of infantile displacement activity, it is high time our politicians – along with those of the EU and President Obama's US – were brought back with a mighty jolt into contact with the real world.

I must end this year by again paying tribute to my readers for the wonderful generosity with which they came to the aid of two causes. First their donations made it possible for the latest "metric martyr", the east London market trader Janet Devers, to fight Hackney council's vindictive decision to prosecute her on 13 criminal charges, ranging from selling in pounds and ounces to selling produce "by the bowl" (to avoid using weights her customers dislike and don't understand). The embarrassment caused by this historic battle has thrown the forced metrication policy of both our governments, in London and Brussels, into total disarray.

Since Hackney backed out of allowing four criminal charges against Janet to go before a jury next month, all that remains is for her to win her appeal in February against eight convictions which now look quite absurd (including those for selling veg by the bowl, as thousands of other London market traders do every day). The final goal, as Neil Herron of the Metric Martyrs Defence Fund insists, must then be a pardon for the late Steve Thoburn and the four other original "martyrs" who were found guilty in 2002 – after a legal battle also made possible by this column's readers – of breaking laws so ridiculous that the EU Commission has even denied they existed (but which are still on the statute book).

Readers were equally generous this year in rushing to the aid of Sue Smith, whose son was killed in a Snatch Land Rover in Iraq in 2005. Their contributions made it possible for her to carry on with the High Court action she has brought against the Ministry of Defence, with the sole aim of calling it to account for needlessly risking soldiers' lives by sending them into battle in hopelessly inappropriate vehicles. Thanks not least to Mrs Smith's determined fight, the Snatch Land Rover scandal, first reported here in 2006, has at last become a national cause celebre.

2008 was the year man-made global warming was disproved  (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/3982101/2008-was-the-year-man-made-global-warming-was-disproved.html)


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on January 03, 2009, 02:17:58 PM
Sea Ice Ends Year at Same Level as 1979

Rapid growth spurt leaves amount of ice at levels seen 29 years ago.

Thanks to a rapid rebound in recent months, global sea ice levels now equal those seen 29 years ago, when the year 1979 also drew to a close.

Ice levels had been tracking lower throughout much of 2008, but rapidly recovered in the last quarter. In fact, the rate of increase from September onward is the fastest rate of change on record, either upwards or downwards.

The data is being reported by the University of Illinois's Arctic Climate Research Center, and is derived from satellite observations of the Northern and Southern hemisphere polar regions.

Each year, millions of square kilometers of sea ice melt and refreeze. However, the mean ice anomaly -- defined as the seasonally-adjusted difference between the current value and the average from 1979-2000, varies much more slowly. That anomaly now stands at just under zero, a value identical to one recorded at the end of 1979, the year satellite record-keeping began.

Sea ice is floating and, unlike the massive ice sheets anchored to bedrock in Greenland and Antarctica, doesn't affect ocean levels. However, due to its transient nature, sea ice responds much faster to changes in temperature or precipitation and is therefore a useful barometer of changing conditions.

Earlier this year, predictions were rife that the North Pole could melt entirely in 2008. Instead, the Arctic ice saw a substantial recovery. Bill Chapman, a researcher with the UIUC's Arctic Center, tells DailyTech this was due in part to colder temperatures in the region. Chapman says wind patterns have also been weaker this year. Strong winds can slow ice formation as well as forcing ice into warmer waters where it will melt.

Why were predictions so wrong? Researchers had expected the newer sea ice, which is thinner, to be less resilient and melt easier. Instead, the thinner ice had less snow cover to insulate it from the bitterly cold air, and therefore grew much faster than expected, according to the National Snow and Ice Data Center.

In May, concerns over disappearing sea ice led the U.S. to officially list the polar bear a threatened species, over objections from experts who claimed the animal's numbers were increasing.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: David_james on January 03, 2009, 07:26:34 PM
maybe next hoax will be called global cooling  :D


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on January 03, 2009, 07:34:50 PM
maybe next hoax will be called global cooling  :D

That's the reason why they are now calling it "climate change."



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on January 03, 2009, 07:38:59 PM
Climate scientists: it's time for 'Plan B'

Poll of international experts by The Independent reveals consensus that CO2 cuts have failed – and their growing support for technological intervention

An emergency "Plan B" using the latest technology is needed to save the world from dangerous climate change, according to a poll of leading scientists carried out by The Independent. The collective international failure to curb the growing emissions of carbon dioxide (CO2) in the atmosphere has meant that an alternative to merely curbing emissions may become necessary.

The plan would involve highly controversial proposals to lower global temperatures artificially through daringly ambitious schemes that either reduce sunlight levels by man-made means or take CO2 out of the air. This "geoengineering" approach – including schemes such as fertilising the oceans with iron to stimulate algal blooms – would have been dismissed as a distraction a few years ago but is now being seen by the majority of scientists we surveyed as a viable emergency backup plan that could save the planet from the worst effects of climate change, at least until deep cuts are made in CO2 emissions.

What has worried many of the experts, who include recognised authorities from the world's leading universities and research institutes, as well as a Nobel Laureate, is the failure to curb global greenhouse gas emissions through international agreements, namely the Kyoto Treaty, and recent studies indicating that the Earth's natural carbon "sinks" are becoming less efficient at absorbing man-made CO2 from the atmosphere.

Levels of CO2 have continued to increase during the past decade since the treaty was agreed and they are now rising faster than even the worst-case scenarios from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, a United Nations body. In the meantime the natural absorption of CO2 by the world's forests and oceans has decreased significantly. Most of the scientists we polled agreed that the failure to curb emissions of CO2, which are increasing at a rate of 1 per cent a year, has created the need for an emergency "plan B" involving research, development and possible implementation of a worldwide geoengineering strategy.

Just over half – 54 per cent – of the 80 international specialists in climate science who took part in our survey agreed that the situation is now so dire that we need a backup plan that involves the artificial manipulation of the global climate to counter the effects of man-made emissions of greenhouse gases. About 35 per cent of respondents disagreed with the need for a "plan B", arguing that it would distract from the main objective of cutting CO2 emissions, with the remaining 11 per cent saying that they did not know whether a geoengineering strategy is needed or not.

Almost everyone who thought that geoengineering should be studied as a possible plan B said that it must not be seen as an alternative to international agreements on cutting carbon emissions but something that runs in parallel to binding treaties in case climate change runs out of control and there an urgent need to cool the planet quickly.

Geoengineering was dismissed as a distraction a few years ago but it has recently become a serious topic of research. Next summer, for example, the Royal Society, in London, is due to publish a report on the subject, led by Professor John Shepherd of the National Oceanography Centre at Southampton University. Professor Shepherd was one of the scientists who said that a plan B was needed because he was now less optimistic about the prospects of curbing CO2 levels since Kyoto was agreed, and less optimistic about the ability of the Earth's climate system to cope with the expected CO2 increases. "Geoengineering options... must not be allowed to detract from efforts to reduce CO2 emissions directly," said Professor Shepherd, who studies the interaction between the climate and oceans. In answer to the question of whether scientists were more optimistic or less optimistic about the ability of the climate system to cope with increases in man-made CO2 without dangerous climate change, just one out of the 80 respondents to our survey was more optimistic, 72 per cent were less optimistic, and 23 per cent felt about the same.

Professor James Lovelock, a geo-scientist and author of the Gaia hypothesis, in which the Earth is a quasi-living organism, is one of those who is less optimistic. He believes that a plan B is urgently needed. "I never thought that the Kyoto agreement would lead to any useful cut back in greenhouse gas emissions so I am neither more nor less optimistic now about prospect of curbing CO2 compared to 10 years ago. I am, however, less optimistic now about the ability of the Earth's climate system to cope with expected increases in atmospheric carbon levels compared with 10 years ago," he told The Independent. "I strongly agree that we now need a 'plan B' where a geoengineering strategy is drawn up in parallel with other measures to curb CO2 emissions."

Among those who oppose geoengineering is Professor David Archer, a geophysicist at Chicago University and expert on ocean chemistry. "Carbon dioxide released to the atmosphere will continue to affect climate for many millennia," he said. "Relying on geoengineering schemes such as sulphate aerosols would be analogous to putting the planet on life support. If future humanity failed to pay its 'climate bill' – a bill that we left them, thank you very much – they would bear the full brunt of climate change within a very short time."

Gummer set for green role

The former Tory cabinet member who publicly fed his daughter a beefburger during the outbreak of so-called "mad cow disease" is in line for a leading role in helping the Government fight against global warming, writes Nigel Morris.

John Gummer, who served as Environment Secretary in the previous Conservative government, has been shortlisted for the post of chairman of the Committee on Climate Change. He is one of three candidates being discussed in Whitehall to succeed Baron Turner of Ecchinswell. The others are Rachel Lomax, a former Treasury official who has recently retired as a deputy governor of the Bank of England, and Sir John Harman, former chairman of the Environment Agency.

Mr Gummer, 69, has been a Conservative activist for almost half a century and has spent 34 years as an MP. He represents the safe seat of Suffolk Coastal. A 16-year spell in government culminated with his promotion by John Major to Environment Secretary, when he was regarded as a pioneering minister, introducing the landfill tax and the fuel-price escalator.

Mr Gummer said last night he knew nothing about the vacant post.

Fixing the planet Could technology help save the world?

Injecting the air with particles to reflect sunlight

Volcanic eruptions release huge amounts of sulphate particles into the upper atmosphere, where they reflect sunlight. After Mount Pinatubo erupted in 1991, sulphates reflected enough sunlight to cool the Earth by 0.5C for a year or two. The Nobel Laureate Paul Crutzen suggested in 2006 that it may be possible to inject artificial sulphate particles into the upper atmosphere – the stratosphere. However, the idea does not address ocean acidification caused by rising CO2 levels. There may be side-effects such as acid rain and adverse effects on agriculture.

Creating low clouds over the oceans

Another variation on the theme of increasing the Earth's albedo, or reflectivity to sunlight, is to pump water vapour into the air to stimulate cloud formation over the sea. John Latham of the United States National Centre for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colorado is working with Stephen Salter of Edinburgh University and Mike Smith at Leeds to atomise seawater to produce tiny droplets to form low-level maritime clouds that cover part of the oceanic surface. The only raw material is seawater and the process can be quickly turned off. The cloud cover would only affect the oceans, but still lower global temperatures.

Fertilising the sea with iron filings

This idea arises from the fact that the limiting factor in the multiplication of phytoplankton – tiny marine plants – is the lack of iron salts in the sea. When scientists add iron to "dead" areas of the sea, the result is a phytoplankton bloom which absorbs CO2. The hope is that carbon taken up by the microscopic plants will sink to deep layers of the ocean, and be taken out of circulation. Experiments support the idea, but blooms may be eaten by animals so carbon returns to the atmosphere as CO2.

Mixing the deep water of the ocean

The Earth scientist James Lovelock, working with Chris Rapley of the Science Museum in London, devised a plan to put giant tubes into the seas to take surface water rich in dissolved CO2 to lower depths where it will not surface. The idea is to take CO2 out of the short-term carbon cycle, cutting the gas in the atmosphere. Critics say it may bring carbon locked away in the deep ocean to the surface.

Giant mirrors in space

Some scientists suggest it would be possible to deflect sunlight with a giant mirror or a fleet of small mirrors between the Earth and the Sun. The scheme would be costly and prompt debate over who controls it. Many scientists see it as contrary to the idea of working with the Earth's systems.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on January 03, 2009, 07:47:27 PM
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The plan would involve highly controversial proposals to lower global temperatures artificially through daringly ambitious schemes that either reduce sunlight levels by man-made means or take CO2 out of the air.

At least this article is now accepting the fact that the sun is a player in the earth's climate. It still has it wrong with CO2 which is a necessary element for proper plant growth. Removing CO2 will do nothing for climate control but it will cause many, many deaths of plants and those that rely on plants for nutrition.

This entire article is about mankind trying to be God. History has shown us exactly what happens when men attempt to do so. God proves to them again and again that He is the one in control and not them. The Tower of Babel is just one of the examples of this. Perhaps this is one of the reasons that we are told in Revelations about the angel that is given control over the sun and scorches the earth, burning much of the earth and mankind.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: HisDaughter on January 04, 2009, 11:34:21 AM
Climate scientists: it's time for 'Plan B'



An emergency "Plan B" using the latest technology is needed to save the world from dangerous climate change

These guys need to look at their 4th grade maps of the galaxzy and then find that little planet called earth and then find their even smaller country and then find their even smaller states and then find their even smaller cities and then picture their tiny insignificant selves there and then get a grip on who they are and who GOD is.  To think that man could change the climate in that scenerio is ludicrous.  This is the audacity of man and as PR says, they are trying to play God and haven't a clue.  How about they quit spending their time and our money on insanity and get to work on real issues, like growing better crops, our own oil resources, taking care of our sick and homeless, etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc

"Save the world" pooey.  Save us from those idiots would be a better choice.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: HisDaughter on January 04, 2009, 11:36:46 AM
This country is in dept for no other reasons than greed and insane spending.  And the below projects and others, MANY others like it are case in point.  Period.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Shammu on January 04, 2009, 08:46:58 PM
Climate scientists: it's time for 'Plan B'

Poll of international experts by The Independent reveals consensus that CO2 cuts have failed – and their growing support for technological intervention

An emergency "Plan B" using the latest technology is needed to save the world from dangerous climate change, according to a poll of leading scientists carried out by The Independent. The collective international failure to curb the growing emissions of carbon dioxide (CO2) in the atmosphere has meant that an alternative to merely curbing emissions may become necessary.

The plan would involve highly controversial proposals to lower global temperatures artificially through daringly ambitious schemes that either reduce sunlight levels by man-made means or take CO2 out of the air. This "geoengineering" approach – including schemes such as fertilising the oceans with iron to stimulate algal blooms – would have been dismissed as a distraction a few years ago but is now being seen by the majority of scientists we surveyed as a viable emergency backup plan that could save the planet from the worst effects of climate change, at least until deep cuts are made in CO2 emissions.


What they really need is, to have their mouths washed out with soap.  All their lies they keep trying to spread, they keep getting caught with their mouths open.................... ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Shammu on January 04, 2009, 08:48:32 PM
maybe next hoax will be called global cooling  :D

Brother,

I remember back in the 70's, they were calling for a ice-age to hit us at anytime. ::) ::)


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on January 04, 2009, 09:12:11 PM
Yep, I remember that also. Now there are some that are calling for another one however they are calling it a "mini ice age" now.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: HisDaughter on January 05, 2009, 01:34:00 AM
Well the "mini iceage" hit Seattle again tonight.  What a mess.



Hey Al!  I've got something for ya!


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What a sap.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on January 10, 2009, 10:52:54 PM
Brazil summer temps coldest in 99 years

 Excerpts – “Ive been hearing about the dry weather in the south of Brazil.   Although I knew the reports were accurate, it was still hard to believe ...   

“So I decided to get a first-hand weather report from Eroni Paniz, our Cropwatcher from Brazils southernmost state Rio Grande do Sul.   

His report:

“It was a dry winter! In the spring, we had a strong rain, and after that, in October and November, we got nearly nothing.

“… Its really strange, as it rains torrentially in the middle of the state but on the extremities, nothing.  I guess that, between the two, I would pick drought over floods at least with droughts you dont lose everything you own. But, with floods, everything can get washed away.

“I think that a good portion of the grain crop will decrease in size, mainly the corn and edible beans that were hit hard. According to what Ive heard, we should suffer a loss of around 25 percent.  The livestock sector is taking it in the face!

“… The forecast isnt good, with just a few, sparse rains not big enough to get a whole farm wet. Weve had cold weather for this time of year its been 99 years since we have had such cold temperatures during the period of the year, and Im not sure how long its been since weve had such a bad drought.

Its really strange; when it should be cold, its hot enough to fry an egg. And vice versa. Theres no explaining it."


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on January 10, 2009, 10:54:39 PM
Madrid airport closed as Europe freezes



- Nearly 400 km (250 miles) of traffic jams in and around the Spanish capital.

- Several rivers in Germany frozen

- Much of Europe enduring Siberian conditions.

- Days of heavy snow in France's southern Marseille region -- not seen for 20 years -- causing major disruption to travel.

- Germany experiencing one of its coldest winters in 100 years - several rivers frozen over, blocking ship traffic – thermometer plunges to minus 34.6C (minus 30.3F) in the mountains in the south.

- Drift ice covers 80 to 90 percent of the surface of the river Elbe from Doemnitz to  Germany's main port of Hamburg.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on January 10, 2009, 10:57:09 PM
Seattle Cut Off!

Yes, Seattle was cut off. Interstate 5 was closed,
with three feet of water over the roadway in places. And all three
passes over the mountains – Snoqualmie Pass (I-90), Stevens Pass,
and Blewett Pass - were closed due to avalanches.

People worried that all of these roads would remain closed for
several days - and that grocery stores and gas stations would
therefore run out of product - but they are all now re-opened.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Shammu on January 10, 2009, 11:12:33 PM
Quote from: Eroni Paniz
Its really strange; when it should be cold, its hot enough to fry an egg. And vice versa. Theres no explaining it."

Gee, I wonder if he has thought about, a global cycle the earth goes through?? ::)

I seem to remember this happening before, in California. That is when they said, that we were entering a "Ice Age".

Lets see, global warming fools, and now there are ice age fools. Hmmmmmmmmmm I wonder when these people will get a brain....................... Oh look, a brain is rolling around on the floor Eroni.


Hmmmmmmmmm I wonder if it belongs to Eroni. (http://bestsmileys.com/lol/4.gif)


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on January 10, 2009, 11:52:43 PM
From a Belgian newspaper, ‘De Standaard’:

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Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on January 11, 2009, 01:17:15 PM
AGW Today: Believers Must Stop Using The Interwebz

posted at "Stop the ACLU" by William Teach

It’s confirmed: the Internet is bad for global warming, er, climate change, or whateverthe**** they are calling it nowadays. Revealed: the environmental impact of Google searches

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    Performing two Google searches from a desktop computer can generate about the same amount of carbon dioxide as boiling a kettle for a cup of tea, according to new research.

    While millions of people tap into Google without considering the environment, a typical search generates about 7g of CO2 Boiling a kettle generates about 15g. “Google operates huge data centres around the world that consume a great deal of power,” said Alex Wissner-Gross, a Harvard University physicist whose research on the environmental impact of computing is due out soon. “A Google search has a definite environmental impact.”

    Google is secretive about its energy consumption and carbon footprint. It also refuses to divulge the locations of its data centres. However, with more than 200m internet searches estimated globally daily, the electricity consumption and greenhouse gas emissions caused by computers and the internet is provoking concern. A recent report by Gartner, the industry analysts, said the global IT industry generated as much greenhouse gas as the world’s airlines - about 2% of global CO2 emissions. “Data centres are among the most energy-intensive facilities imaginable,” said Evan Mills, a scientist at the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory in California. Banks of servers storing billions of web pages require power.

I guess they are calling AGW the “environmental impact” now. Kinda like how they call the lifestyle the 15 people who actually live the life they think everyone else should in order to be “carbon neutral” “going green.” Strange, since plants, plankton, and basically “the environment” needs CO2 to sustain life.

So, I guess it is time for all the Believers to walk the talk and give up their Internet connections. Yeah, that’ll happen! Most of them believe that it is the other guy, or the government, or Big (insert industry here) that should “do something.” I applaud the 15 Believers (double Randi Rhodes’ listener-ship) who actually live the life.

The funniest part of the story is that the majority of people who will read it will read it on the Interwebz. But no one is missing the subtext, which is that people should BUY carbon credits to offset their ‘Net usage. That’ll come later.

Oh, and I did about 15 Google searches this morning. On purpose. For no reason.

Jules Crittenden: There’s an Al Gore exception, because he can’t save the world without checking his email while jetting from his sprawling mansion to his uberboat. But the rest of you, off now. For Gaia.

Fausta: Guilt is a powerful emotion and propagandists never hesitate to use it, even when they risk being silly. (Sea kittens is also mentioned)

Jammie Wearing Fool: Just for fun I allowed this blog post to simmer for about 20 minutes, hoping to generate even more CO2.

Patterico: So which will it be, my internet friends? If you’re still worried about the environment, maybe it’s time for you to log off.

________________

The truth is they don’t want people on the interwebz because they may see the truth and spread it to others. They have to do something to stop the horrible “virus of truth” from spreading.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on January 12, 2009, 10:29:44 AM
 ;D

I just don't have the money to GO GREEN like Al Gore has.

Green jet.

Green mansions in various states.

Green Hummer and other big gas hogs.

Green lipstick and FULL OF HOT AIR.

Al Gore even wears Green shoes, but his carbon footprint is large enough to equal about a thousand regular folks, so me thinks that Al Gore might be a Green hypocrite. He also has the biggest Green con-game of all time and rakes in tons of Green money on a problem that doesn't exist.
_____________________________



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on January 12, 2009, 10:38:22 AM
There is a saying that lawyers and politicians are biggest con artists. I wonder if his eyes and that hot air are also green.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on January 12, 2009, 12:03:51 PM
I just think that we need to build a GIANT GREEN PRISON and fill it with folks who richly deserve to be there!


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on January 12, 2009, 12:31:28 PM
Slovenia with record low temperature -49

Slovenia registered the lowest temperatures ever. At the Bohin resort, a half frozen weatherman standing outside, reported minus 49°C.

Slovenian Media have reported recommendations of the meteorological institute of Germany, which alarms over the risks of having piercings – the metal earrings on people’s body could cause dangerous freezing.

No metal objects attached to the body should be worn, warns the media, for people who must venture outside. For everyone else, Slovenian media urges its citizens to stay in their homes.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on January 17, 2009, 11:15:39 AM
Frigid weather startles South, blankets East
Subzero temps in multiple states; Alabama colder than Alaska for a day

Miserable, lung-burning, face-numbing temperatures are one thing in the Midwest and Northeast. But the Deep South?

Temperatures plummeted Friday across the Midwest and eastern U.S., and delivered a stinging slap to Southerners unaccustomed to the frigid weather. Schools were closed in a dozen states and homeless shelters were overcrowded. Those that did venture outside bundled up and made quick trips.

In an odd twist, Alabama was colder than Alaska.
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"I never thought I'd see weather like this, not at all," said Maya Morgan, a 20-year-old Christian missionary from Barbados, who is on a fellowship at the Atlanta University complex. "And so that's why I like have, literally, six jackets on. Sometimes it's too cold to keep your eyes open."

Forecasters said temperatures in the upper Midwest could turn into the coldest in years as Arctic air keeps spilling southward from Canada. The cold snap has claimed at least six lives and contributed to dozens of traffic accidents. One death involved a man in a wheelchair who was found in subzero temperatures stuck in the snow, a shovel in his hand, outside his home in Des Moines, Iowa. He died at a hospital.

The cold weather has gripped the Midwest and Northeast for days, but as it crept farther South, some were growing worried.

"We're afraid people will die in this kind of weather," said Anita Beaty, who works with the homeless in Atlanta, where temperatures dropped below the teens, some 20 degrees below normal lows in January. About 900 men packed a shelter that normally houses 700.

Freezing temperatures threatened to kill picturesque Spanish moss hanging from Gulf Coast trees. Wind and choppy seas frustrated efforts to free an endangered right whale tangled in fishing gear off the Southeastern coast. And it was too cold to bet on dogs in West Virginia: A greyhound track shut down because of a predicted high of 7 degrees.

Testing the hearty
Then again, the cold was testing even the heartiest winter-weather states. On Friday morning, it was minus 10 in Cleveland, minus 6 in Detroit and minus 11 in Chicago. In upstate New York, areas near Lake Erie received up to 2 inches of snow per hour.

Quentin Masters wore two coats and long underwear to mail a gift at the post office in downtown Syracuse.

"It was almost too cold to come down here today but it's a birthday present for my sister in Buffalo," said Masters, 28. "It's on Monday and I don't want it to be late."

It was so cold in Milwaukee that ice thawed at skating rinks. The subzero temperatures froze the ammonia tank needed to make ice at the indoor Pettit National Ice Center. Workers fixed the problem and two hockey rinks and the Olympic oval were expected to be ready for skaters later in the day.

Some in Illinois and Ohio lost power for several hours while Charleston, W.Va.-based Appalachian Power, which delivers electricity to more than 1 million customers Tennessee, Virginia and West Virginia, had a record for electricity demand as businesses and homes cranked up the heat.

The National Weather Service predicted the frigid temperatures would persist into the weekend. Wind chill warnings were in effect and forecasters said the cold and strong winds could lead to hypothermia, frostbite and death.

Like an icebox
To Southerners, who rarely see temperatures so cold, the icebox-like weather was the most jarring. Construction worker Allen Johnson wore a gray beanie, flannel shirt, long johns and boots as he stopped for morning coffee in Montgomery, where the overnight low was 22 degrees.

"No matter how bad it is, it could be worse — we could be in Anchorage, Alaska," Johnson said. Actually, the temperature was about 20 degrees warmer in Anchorage.

Second-grader Abbey Roberts waited for the school bus as the temperature hovered at 12 degrees in suburban Birmingham.

"I stood out there for a couple of minutes and my nose turned red. I was so cold I thought I was going to turn to an ice cube," Roberts said.

In western Georgia, about 15,000 students got a day off in Carroll County; the temperature only made it to 25 degrees by lunchtime.

"You know us Southerners," said schools spokeswoman Elena Schulenburg. "We might have the gloves and scarves, but we might not consider pulling them out. We may not consider how cold it is."


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: HisDaughter on January 17, 2009, 12:16:27 PM
I talked to my dad yesterday who lives in Mobile, AL.  He was telling me how cold it's been.  In the 20's he said.  Yep.  This global warming sure is something!  I can think of a book full of things this country should be worrying about besides the weather and wondering what's on Mars!


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on January 17, 2009, 03:21:14 PM
 ;D

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Can anyone spare a fan?


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on January 17, 2009, 03:48:28 PM
I don't have any fans right now but I have some icicles and snow.

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Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on January 17, 2009, 04:21:12 PM
Opps ... I forgot about that big outdoor fan that is somewhere north of us.

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Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Shammu on January 17, 2009, 08:24:06 PM
;D

(http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i160/tlr10/weath/weath026.gif)

Can anyone spare a fan?

Yup, I have a fan you can use............. ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on January 18, 2009, 11:01:26 AM
Everyone need a good laugh now and then.

Laughingstock Al Gore dumbfounded as he tries to explain record-breaking cold around the U.S.

Can you detect the pattern?

• Flint Michigan set a record low Wednesday hitting 19 degrees below zero.

• The windchill in Massena, NY hit 33 below zero.

• Maine residents braced for nighttime readings down to 40 below zero.

• In Tallahasee, Florida, temperatures will hit the mid-20's, the lowest since 1977.

• Sioux City, S.D. hit a record low of 20 below zero.

• Chicago saw a record ninth consecutive day of snowfall with a high of three below.

• In Jackson County, Alabama, lows will hit a record low tonight of zero.

• Columbia, Missouri will see the coldest temperaturs in 23 years.

• Evansville, Indiana saw record cold with temperatures starting in the single digits.

• In Iowa, residents were warned that temperatures could drop as far as 27 below zero, matching the record set in 1972.

• Mt. Washington, New Hampshire air temperatures will hit 35 below with windchills reaching 75 to 80 below. That's a little shy of the record, set in 2004.

• Much of Wisconsin is experiencing near record cold, with 40 below windchills anticipated.

• And Europe is experiencing "the worst cold snap in decades."

• And in Pollock, S.D., the temperature has dropped to a record-setting 47 below zero. A gas station worker said it actually "hurts to breathe."

Laughingstock Al Gore, whose carbon trading bunko scam continues to unravel, was also having trouble breathing:


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Gore’s church losing followers -- In 1971, perhaps entertaining thoughts of entering the full-time ministry, Al Gore, raised in and baptized into the Southern Baptist Church, entered the Vanderbilt Divinity School.

His sojourn was relatively brief. In three semesters, he enrolled in eight classes. He received an “F” as his grade in five of those classes. So, having failed out of school, he entered the family business, which was politics. But he apparently never lost his desire to enter a ministry, and since he couldn’t make the grade in the conventional sense, he did the next best thing. He started his own religion.

The result was the Church of Global Warming. With Gore as its high priest, the church was not long in establishing tenets of faith, nor in immediately branding those who refused to worship there as apostate.

[However] Sunspot activity, it appears, is on the wane, and the result has been a gradual cooling of Earth’s climate. Indeed, 2008 may be the first “coldest year” of the 21st century...



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on January 18, 2009, 11:49:08 AM
Everyone need a good laugh now and then.

Laughingstock Al Gore dumbfounded as he tries to explain record-breaking cold around the U.S.

Can you detect the pattern?

• Flint Michigan set a record low Wednesday hitting 19 degrees below zero.

• The windchill in Massena, NY hit 33 below zero.

• Maine residents braced for nighttime readings down to 40 below zero.

• In Tallahasee, Florida, temperatures will hit the mid-20's, the lowest since 1977.

• Sioux City, S.D. hit a record low of 20 below zero.

• Chicago saw a record ninth consecutive day of snowfall with a high of three below.

• In Jackson County, Alabama, lows will hit a record low tonight of zero.

• Columbia, Missouri will see the coldest temperaturs in 23 years.

• Evansville, Indiana saw record cold with temperatures starting in the single digits.

• In Iowa, residents were warned that temperatures could drop as far as 27 below zero, matching the record set in 1972.

• Mt. Washington, New Hampshire air temperatures will hit 35 below with windchills reaching 75 to 80 below. That's a little shy of the record, set in 2004.

• Much of Wisconsin is experiencing near record cold, with 40 below windchills anticipated.

• And Europe is experiencing "the worst cold snap in decades."

• And in Pollock, S.D., the temperature has dropped to a record-setting 47 below zero. A gas station worker said it actually "hurts to breathe."

Laughingstock Al Gore, whose carbon trading bunko scam continues to unravel, was also having trouble breathing:


(http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i160/tlr10/laugh/laugh102.jpg)

WOW! I'm amazed! Everyone but Al Gore is finally figuring out:

1 - Increased solar activity in the sun results in warming.

2 - Decreased solar activity in the sun results in cooling.

 ;D   ;D   Al Gore had nothing to do with this earth-shattering discovery that's really nothing more than COMMON SENSE. FOR AL:  THERE IS ALSO MORE LIGHT WHEN THE SUN COMES UP AND LESS LIGHT WHEN THE SUN GOES DOWN! Al, it wouldn't be wise for you to spend all that money you made in this CRIMINAL CON GAME. You might be able to use the money in bargaining a LOWER PRISON SENTENCE!



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on January 26, 2009, 12:55:28 PM
Snow covers UAE mountain, first time in history

   
For the first time in the desert country's history, snow blanketed the peak of Jais Mountain in the northern United Arab Emirate of Ras Al Khaimah Sunday.

So rare was the event that one lifelong resident said the local dialect had no word for it.

Sunday's snowfall was only the second time in recorded history that it has snowed in the emirate, with temperatures dropping two degrees below zero as 20 cm (eight inches) of snow accumulated in some places.

“The sight up there this morning was totally unbelievable, with the snow-capped mountain and the entire area covered with fresh, dazzling white snow,” said a helicopter pilot who flew over the area. “It is still freezing cold up there and there are chances that it might snow again tonight.”

Limited snowfall has been recorded on the mountain in 2004, but for the first time in its history the mountain's peak was fully covered, the WAM news agency reported.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on January 27, 2009, 03:49:57 PM
Icy Reception for Al Gore

Al Gore is scheduled to testify before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee tomorrow morning about the 'urgent need' to combat global warming.

The nation’s capitol is under a  winter storm watch with the possibility of significant accumulations of snow, sleet, or ice.

Global warming advocates have suggested this year's wild winter spells are proof of climate change.

          Cold is hot and snow is - what? - white Hawaiian sand?
          How long before we begin to understand that we're being lied to?

The “Gore Effect” has a long and storied history. What follows is a sampling of how God enjoys putting global warming fear promoters in their place.

1)      First October snow since 1922 blankets London as global warming bill debated – October 2008

2)      Global Warming Vote on Snowy Day in Washington - Senate committee debates expensive climate change bill snow blanket D.C. – December 2007

3)      House hearing on ‘warming of the planet' canceled after snow/ice storm – February 2007

4)      Not again! DC 'Snow Advisory' Issued on Day of Congressional Global Warming Hearing – March 2007

5)      Gore decries 'global warming' in bitterly cold NYC – December 2006

6)      Gore delivers environmental message at Harvard - ...with near 125-year record breaking low temps – October 2008

7)      Global warming activists urged to focus on Earth Day rallies and ignore snow as it 'piles up outside our windows' – April 17, 2007

8)      No Joke! Cyclists 'braved freezing cold temps' to promote global warming awareness in New York - October 22, 2008

9)      Global warming protest in Maryland frosted with snow – January 2008

10)  Global warming rally in the snow – April 2007

11)  Snow won't dampen global-warming rallies – April 2007

12)  Brrr. - Obama to global warming demonstrators: 'This is probably not the weather to hold up those signs...it's a little chilly today' - October 28,  2008

13)  Global Warming Awareness Walk Braves Snow Storm – March 2007 

14)  The Gore Effect, Cont. - Gore speaks in Italy during 'rare' cold and snow

15)  Tracking 'The Gore Effect’ – Politico November 26,6, 2008

16)  Climate protest cancelled 'due to rain and cold' – Nov. 23, 2008



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on January 27, 2009, 03:55:45 PM
Global warming supposedly killing trees


Excerpts - “Trees in the western United States and Canada are dying twice as quickly as they did just 30 years ago, with rising average temperatures almost certainly to blame,” said an article today by Maggie Fox.

“These thinner and weaker forests will become more vulnerable to wildfires and may soak up less carbon dioxide, in turn speeding up global warming, they (researchers) said.

“Warmer temperatures may be encouraging pine beetles and other organisms that attack trees, the researchers said. That, along with the stress of prolonged droughts, may be accelerating death rates.

“Thomas Veblen of the University of Colorado said new regulations may be needed to help the forests survive.

"We may only be talking about an annual tree mortality rate changing from 1 percent a year to 2 percent a year, an extra tree here and there," said Mark Harmon, a professor of forest ecology at Oregon State University.”

Did you catch that? They want to saddle us with more regulations in
                order to save “an extra tree here and there” from a threat that may -
                or may not - exist.

                And did you catch all of the qualifying words?
                     - rising average temperatures almost certainly to blame
                     - may soak up less carbon dioxide
                     - may be encouraging pine beetles
                     - new regulations may be needed
                     - may only be talking about an annual
                       tree mortality rate changing

               What about the fact that the Cascades have endured record
                snowpacks – twice - during the past ten years? There’s no
               “maybe” there. Record snowpack twice. In ten years.


                What about the fact that as we’ve headed into previous ice
                ages, the warm-weather tree line moved south?

                I think today’s dying trees could just as easily be blamed on the
                record snows.




Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on February 15, 2009, 07:52:21 PM
NASA official: 'Coal greatest threat to all life'
Climate-change guru blasts alarms of fuel-burning 'death factories'

"Coal is the single greatest threat to civilization and all life on the planet," charges James Hansen, the director of NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies, whose dire climate-change predictions have reached the apocalyptic stage.

In an op-ed piece penned for the London Guardian, Hansen said he is asking world leaders to place moratoria on new coal-fired power plants to fight global warming and pollution.

"The climate is nearing tipping points," he writes. "Changes are beginning to appear and there is a potential for explosive changes, effects that would be irreversible, if we do not rapidly slow fossil-fuel emissions over the next few decades. As Arctic sea ice melts, the darker ocean absorbs more sunlight and speeds melting. As the tundra melts, methane, a strong greenhouse gas, is released, causing more warming. As species are exterminated by shifting climate zones, ecosystems can collapse, destroying more species."

He implied there is no longer any time to debate climate change in public, because the public cannot be expected to analyze the data.

"The public, buffeted by weather fluctuations and economic turmoil, has little time to analyze decadal changes," he wrote. "How can people be expected to evaluate and filter out advice emanating from those pushing special interests? How can people distinguish between top-notch science and pseudo-science?"

Leaders, Hansen explained, have at their disposal the best scientific organizations in the world to help formulate the policies needed.

"Our planet is in peril," he wrote. "If we do not change course, we'll hand our children a situation that is out of their control. One ecological collapse will lead to another, in amplifying feedbacks."

He predicted massive flooding of half the world's great cities if no action is taken. He also forecasts the extermination of species if global warming is unchecked.

But it gets worse. Hansen said failure to take action now will result in the planet's destruction.

"Clearly, if we burn all fossil fuels, we will destroy the planet we know," he charged. "Carbon dioxide would increase to 500 ppm or more. We would set the planet on a course to the ice-free state, with sea level 75 meters higher. Climatic disasters would occur continually. The tragedy of the situation, if we do not wake up in time, is that the changes that must be made to stabilize the atmosphere and climate make sense for other reasons. They would produce a healthier atmosphere, improved agricultural productivity, clean water and an ocean providing fish that are safe to eat."

But it is coal for which Hansen held out special contempt.

"The trains carrying coal to power plants are death trains," he wrote. "Coal-fired power plants are factories of death."

Hansen is identified at the end of the piece as the "first scientist to warn the U.S. Congress of the dangers of climate change."


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on February 15, 2009, 07:57:10 PM
All of this coming from a person that was caught falsifying temperature data more than once.


Quote
He implied there is no longer any time to debate climate change in public, because the public cannot be expected to analyze the data.

That's another one of those let's hurry up and get things done before the public finds out the truth because the public doesn't know what's best for them.

Coal is far from being the most dangerous threat to civilization. The biggest threat to civilization that is on this earth are the environmentalists and politicians that have jumped on their bandwagon.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on February 15, 2009, 09:31:42 PM
Hello Pastor Roger,

You've already got it.

There are tons of power and money on the line, and that's why scoundrels are going to do everything in their power to sell the global warming lies. Besides, it fits in perfectly with the ushering in of the Tribulation Period and all kinds of globalization BALONEY. Many have already been deceived - SO THEY HAVE ALREADY BOUGHT INTO THE LIES.

If their LIES are exposed, the U.N. (United Nuts) WOULD LOSE BIG FACE! Lots of other BIG MONEY AND BIG POWER would also LOSE BIG FACE! There is so much money and power involved that it wouldn't surprise me if laws were enacted to prevent exposing it. Proof has already been given that global warming is GARBAGE, but those folks don't run or plan to run the world. AFTER ALL, THERE MUST BE A COMING GLOBAL METHOD OF CONTROL, GOVERNMENT, TAXATION, ETC. It will be extremely DUMB, but we are seeing all kinds of DUMB things happening every day now. THE MESS WE'RE IN IS NO ACCIDENT OR COINCIDENCE! We are seeing the beginning of CHAOS, and GOD'S WORD tells us it will get MUCH WORSE!


Title: The Hummers of food in global warming, are Hamburgers!!
Post by: Shammu on February 18, 2009, 09:22:11 AM
The Hummers of food in global warming, are Hamburgers!!

Feb 16 2009

When it comes to global warming, hamburgers are the Hummers of food, scientists say.

Simply switching from steak to salad could cut as much carbon as leaving the car at home a couple days a week.

That's because beef is such an incredibly inefficient food to produce and cows release so much harmful methane into the atmosphere, said Nathan Pelletier of Dalhousie University in Canada.

Pelletier is one of a growing number of scientists studying the environmental costs of food from field to plate.

By looking at everything from how much grain a cow eats before it is ready for slaughter to the emissions released by manure, they are getting a clearer idea of the true costs of food.

The livestock sector is estimated to account for 18 percent of global greenhouse gas emissions and beef is the biggest culprit.

Even though beef only accounts for 30 percent of meat consumption in the developed world it's responsible for 78 percent of the emissions, Pelletier said Sunday at a meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science.

That's because a single kilogram of beef produces 16 kilograms carbon dioxide equivalent emissions: four times higher than pork and more than ten times as much as a kilogram of poultry, Pelletier said.

If people were to simply switch from beef to chicken, emissions would be cut by 70 percent, Pelletier said.

Another part of the problem is people are eating far more meat than they need to.

"Meat once was a luxury in our diet," Pelletier said. "We used to eat it once a week. Now we eat it every day."

If meat consumption in the developed world was cut from the current level of about 90 kilograms a year to the recommended level of 53 kilograms a year, livestock related emissions would fall by 44 percent.

"Given the projected doubling of (global) meat production by 2050, we're going to have to cut our emissions by half just to maintain current levels," Pelletier said.

"Technical improvements are not going to get us there."

That's why changing the kinds of food people eat is so important, said Chris Weber, a professor of civil and environmental engineering at Carnegie Mellon University in Pennsylvania.

Food is the third largest contributor to the average US household's carbon footprint after driving and utilities, and in Europe - where people drive less and have smaller homes - it has an even greater impact.

"Food is of particular importance to a consumer's impact because it's a daily choice that is, at least in theory, easy to change," Weber said.

"You make your choice every day about what to eat, but once you have a house and a car you're locked into that for a while."

The average US household contributes about five tons of carbon dioxide a year by driving and about 3.5 tons of equivalent emissions with what they eat, he said.

"Switching to no red meat and no dairy products is the equivalent of (cutting out) 8,100 miles driven in a car ... that gets 25 miles to the gallon," Weber said in an interview following the symposium.

Buying local meat and produce will not have nearly the same effect, he cautioned.

That's because only five percent of the emissions related to food come from transporting food to market.

"You can have a much bigger impact by shifting just one day a week from meat and dairy to anything else than going local every day of the year," Weber said.

The Hummers of food in global warming, are Hamburgers!! (http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.e36a67d49c1127a8c17cc38ed4a4c27e.211&show_article=1)


Title: Re: The Hummers of food in global warming, are Hamburgers!!
Post by: Shammu on February 18, 2009, 09:24:24 AM

And the JUNK science continues............ Think of all the methane we'll produce if we eat nothing but veggies all day!! I'm going to have Burgers for dinner tonight.  ;D ;D


Title: Re: The Hummers of food in global warming, are Hamburgers!!
Post by: nChrist on February 19, 2009, 12:12:09 AM
And the JUNK science continues............ Think of all the methane we'll produce if we eat nothing but veggies all day!! I'm going to have Burgers for dinner tonight.  ;D ;D

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UM? What are they going to do about natural things like volcanoes? I'd also like to know if anyone has studied gas emissions from whales, mankind, etc.

Ooooooophs! Did someone forget that plants all require greenhouse gases to grow and make oxygen? Did someone open an insane asylum, or has Al Gore driven a lot of people crazy?

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Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on February 21, 2009, 09:15:24 PM
10,000 people cut off from outside world


 It is snowing not only in Bulgaria, but also in other countries in the region.

In Serbia, more than 30 villages are blocked. There are communities where power has been cut off. The situation is very serious in Central, Western and Southern Serbia. The snow has caused 289 road accidents over the last 24 hours. Two people died and 44 were injured.

The snow is 3 meters (10 feet) deep in some regions in Albania. At least five municipalities and some 10,000 people are blocked.

In Macedonia, the snow in the municipality of Gostivar is one meter (3 feet) deep, and traffic is hampered in the municipalities of Kumanovo and Kicevo.

In Dubrovnik, Croatia, snow forced closure of the region’s airport.

In northern Greece, the Civil Protection Service warns that snowfall will become heavier.

It is snowing not only in Bulgaria, but also in other countries in the region. The Balkans expect low temperatures, frosty streets and bad weather over the next days as well.

The snow caused hundreds of road accidents in Serbia. Over the last 24 hours 289 road accidents have been registered. 2 people died and 44 were injured. The regional highways and roads are covered with a thin layer of snow, under which there is frosty sections. More than 30 villages are blocked. There are communities where power has been cut off. The situation is very serious in Central, Western and Southern Serbia.

The snow is 3 meters deep in some regions in Albania. At least five municipalities and some 10,000 people are blocked. Morina- Kukes highway is closed. There might be stranded cars.

The heavy snowfall hampers the traffic along the roads in Macedonia. For now railway and air transport do not encounter problems.

The Regional Crisis Management Department announced the snow in the municipality of Gostivar is one meter deep. Trucks are allowed to travel through the Pass of Strazha, between Gostivar and Kicevo, and along Mavrovo-Debar road. The traffic is hampered in the municipalities of Kumanovo and Kicevo. Sections of the regional roads to Makedonska Kamenica and Bitola are frosty.

The international trains between Belgrade and Thessaloniki are moving a bit behind the schedule.
A snow storm struck Dubrovnik, Croatia. The airport in the region is closed.

The Civil Protection Service in Greece warns that snowfall in Northern Greece will become heavier. Storms will lash Western Europe and the islands in northern and eastern Aegean Sea, as well as Dodecanese islands.

 “Heavy snowfall has blocked a key trans-European highway in Serbia, leaving hundreds of motorists trapped.

“Swept by strong crosswinds, the unrelenting snowfall left motorists stranded for up to 12 hours in both directions on the E75 highway near the southern Serbian city of Nis, reports said.

“The E75 links Western Europe with Bulgaria, Greece, Kosovo, Macedonia and Turkey.

“Hundreds of towns in Bulgaria's north were left without electricity as power lines across the Balkan mountain range were brought down, while an avalanche closed the key mountain pass of Petrohan.

“In Serbia, a number of regional roads including the main one to Macedonia had also been blocked as snow had been falling non-stop for more than 48 hours in some parts of Serbia's southeast.

“An elderly couple froze to death in their house in a village near Pozarevac, about 70km southeast of Belgrade, while another man was found dead on the outskirts of the capital.”



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on February 21, 2009, 09:31:50 PM
10,000 people cut off from outside world


 It is snowing not only in Bulgaria, but also in other countries in the region.

In Serbia, more than 30 villages are blocked. There are communities where power has been cut off. The situation is very serious in Central, Western and Southern Serbia. The snow has caused 289 road accidents over the last 24 hours. Two people died and 44 were injured.

The snow is 3 meters (10 feet) deep in some regions in Albania. At least five municipalities and some 10,000 people are blocked.

In Macedonia, the snow in the municipality of Gostivar is one meter (3 feet) deep, and traffic is hampered in the municipalities of Kumanovo and Kicevo.

In Dubrovnik, Croatia, snow forced closure of the region’s airport.

In northern Greece, the Civil Protection Service warns that snowfall will become heavier.

It is snowing not only in Bulgaria, but also in other countries in the region. The Balkans expect low temperatures, frosty streets and bad weather over the next days as well.

The snow caused hundreds of road accidents in Serbia. Over the last 24 hours 289 road accidents have been registered. 2 people died and 44 were injured. The regional highways and roads are covered with a thin layer of snow, under which there is frosty sections. More than 30 villages are blocked. There are communities where power has been cut off. The situation is very serious in Central, Western and Southern Serbia.

The snow is 3 meters deep in some regions in Albania. At least five municipalities and some 10,000 people are blocked. Morina- Kukes highway is closed. There might be stranded cars.

The heavy snowfall hampers the traffic along the roads in Macedonia. For now railway and air transport do not encounter problems.

The Regional Crisis Management Department announced the snow in the municipality of Gostivar is one meter deep. Trucks are allowed to travel through the Pass of Strazha, between Gostivar and Kicevo, and along Mavrovo-Debar road. The traffic is hampered in the municipalities of Kumanovo and Kicevo. Sections of the regional roads to Makedonska Kamenica and Bitola are frosty.

The international trains between Belgrade and Thessaloniki are moving a bit behind the schedule.
A snow storm struck Dubrovnik, Croatia. The airport in the region is closed.

The Civil Protection Service in Greece warns that snowfall in Northern Greece will become heavier. Storms will lash Western Europe and the islands in northern and eastern Aegean Sea, as well as Dodecanese islands.

 “Heavy snowfall has blocked a key trans-European highway in Serbia, leaving hundreds of motorists trapped.

“Swept by strong crosswinds, the unrelenting snowfall left motorists stranded for up to 12 hours in both directions on the E75 highway near the southern Serbian city of Nis, reports said.

“The E75 links Western Europe with Bulgaria, Greece, Kosovo, Macedonia and Turkey.

“Hundreds of towns in Bulgaria's north were left without electricity as power lines across the Balkan mountain range were brought down, while an avalanche closed the key mountain pass of Petrohan.

“In Serbia, a number of regional roads including the main one to Macedonia had also been blocked as snow had been falling non-stop for more than 48 hours in some parts of Serbia's southeast.

“An elderly couple froze to death in their house in a village near Pozarevac, about 70km southeast of Belgrade, while another man was found dead on the outskirts of the capital.”

This sounds like a job for Al Gore.

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Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on March 02, 2009, 09:38:47 PM
God does indeed have a sense of humor and I do believe that He is using it to get a message across.

A massive snow storm hits during a mass civil disobedience at the coal fired power plant in Washington, DC

It seems like the Climate Crew has had some trouble getting their messages across.  It’s almost as if mixed signals are coordinated by nature itself. Marc Marano,  Communications Director for the GOP on the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee (EPW) sent out a list of events that seem to follow the Gore Effect.  This was labeled by Politico.com as:

    The so-called Gore Effect happens when a global warming-related event, or appearance by the former vice president and climate change crusader, Al Gore, is marked by exceedingly cold weather or unseasonably winter weather.

Check out this list courtesy of Marc Marano:

Note: The “Gore Effect” has a long and storied history. What follows is a sampling of how Mother Nature enjoys mocking global warming fear promoters.

1) First October snow since 1922 blankets London as global warming bill debated – October 2008

2) Global Warming Vote on Snowy Day in Washington - Senate committee debates expensive climate change bill snow blanket D.C. – December 2007

3) HOUSE HEARING ON ‘WARMING OF THE PLANET’ CANCELED AFTER SNOW/ICE STORM – February 2007

4) NOT AGAIN! DC ‘Snow Advisory’ Issued on Day of Congressional Global Warming Hearing – March 2007

5) Gore decries ‘global warming’ in bitterly cold NYC – December 2006

6) Gore delivers environmental message at Harvard - …with near 125-year record breaking low temps – October 2008

7) Global warming activists urged to focus on Earth Day rallies and ignore snow as it ‘piles up outside our windows’ – April 17, 2007

8) No Joke! Cyclists ‘braved freezing cold temps’ to promote global warming awareness in New York - October 22, 2008

9) Global warming protest in Maryland frosted with snow – January 2008

10) Global warming rally in the snow – April 2007

11) Snow won’t dampen global-warming rallies – April 2007

12) Brrr. - Obama to global warming demonstrators: ‘This is probably not the weather to hold up those signs…it’s a little chilly today’ - October 28,  2008

13) Global Warming Awareness Walk Braves Snow Storm – March 2007

14) The Gore Effect, Cont. - Gore speaks in Italy during ‘rare’ cold and snow

15) Tracking ‘The Gore Effect’ – Politico November 26,6, 2008

16) Climate protest cancelled ‘due to rain and cold’ – Nov. 23, 2008



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on March 02, 2009, 10:56:37 PM
God does indeed have a sense of humor and I do believe that He is using it to get a message across.

A massive snow storm hits during a mass civil disobedience at the coal fired power plant in Washington, DC

It seems like the Climate Crew has had some trouble getting their messages across.  It’s almost as if mixed signals are coordinated by nature itself. Marc Marano,  Communications Director for the GOP on the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee (EPW) sent out a list of events that seem to follow the Gore Effect.  This was labeled by Politico.com as:

    The so-called Gore Effect happens when a global warming-related event, or appearance by the former vice president and climate change crusader, Al Gore, is marked by exceedingly cold weather or unseasonably winter weather.

Check out this list courtesy of Marc Marano:

Note: The “Gore Effect” has a long and storied history. What follows is a sampling of how Mother Nature enjoys mocking global warming fear promoters.

1) First October snow since 1922 blankets London as global warming bill debated – October 2008

2) Global Warming Vote on Snowy Day in Washington - Senate committee debates expensive climate change bill snow blanket D.C. – December 2007

3) HOUSE HEARING ON ‘WARMING OF THE PLANET’ CANCELED AFTER SNOW/ICE STORM – February 2007

4) NOT AGAIN! DC ‘Snow Advisory’ Issued on Day of Congressional Global Warming Hearing – March 2007

5) Gore decries ‘global warming’ in bitterly cold NYC – December 2006

6) Gore delivers environmental message at Harvard - …with near 125-year record breaking low temps – October 2008

7) Global warming activists urged to focus on Earth Day rallies and ignore snow as it ‘piles up outside our windows’ – April 17, 2007

8) No Joke! Cyclists ‘braved freezing cold temps’ to promote global warming awareness in New York - October 22, 2008

9) Global warming protest in Maryland frosted with snow – January 2008

10) Global warming rally in the snow – April 2007

11) Snow won’t dampen global-warming rallies – April 2007

12) Brrr. - Obama to global warming demonstrators: ‘This is probably not the weather to hold up those signs…it’s a little chilly today’ - October 28,  2008

13) Global Warming Awareness Walk Braves Snow Storm – March 2007

14) The Gore Effect, Cont. - Gore speaks in Italy during ‘rare’ cold and snow

15) Tracking ‘The Gore Effect’ – Politico November 26,6, 2008

16) Climate protest cancelled ‘due to rain and cold’ – Nov. 23, 2008



THE FACTS ARE IN  --  GORE LIED FOR MONEY!

Now, here's the bad news: this lie is going to effect nearly everyone in the entire world if they get their way. GORE'S "CAP AND TRADE" con game was hidden in the SO-CALLED STIMULUS package and has now been signed into law. You don't care? You will when your electric and heating bills start changing radically. THAT'S RIGHT - THEY SLIPPED A BIG ONE THROUGH! This will be a huge increase for many people who simply can't pay the bill. You certainly won't be able to pay for it with that GIANT tax cut you got of $13 a week!

DID ANYONE MENTION GASOLINE PRICES GOING UP OVER A DOLLAR A GALLON? Does anyone know how many other things are about to go up drastically THAT EVERYONE WILL BE PAYING - NOT JUST THE RICH PEOPLE? By the way, what happens if the rich people decide they won't put up with this and leave? Their OVERALL TAXES aren't going up about 10% - TRY 30 TO 40%! If the rich folks don't pay the extra bills, who will? By the way, a tax rate of 100% on the rich people wouldn't pay the bill - the MATH JUST DOESN'T WORK! SO - WHAT IS ALL THIS MESS THAT OBAMA IS PUSHING?  --  GUESS!  --  DESTROY WHAT'S LEFT AND RECREATE A COMMUNIST COUNTRY!  Nothing else works because it's designed NOT TO WORK!


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on March 02, 2009, 11:39:15 PM
Not only are the prices going up because of things like the Federal cap and trade but it will be amplified even further because the state governments will also have to increase taxes in order to cover their costs and so will the county and city governments. In addition to the $1.27 per gallon increase on gas some states are already putting an increase of 25 to 35 cents increase. This will put gas immediately back up to $4.00 a gal if not more. That's at least double it's current cost and utilities will also at least double in cost if not more.

Yes, that is their agenda ... break the financial back of America so that they can put a communistic system in place. One thing is for certain. There are some very tough times ahead of us and they are coming soon.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on March 03, 2009, 12:13:20 AM
Brother Roger,

I fear that most people don't have a clue what's going on. Average people will wake up one day and simply realize they can't pay for necessities. Everything being done by our so-called government is INTENTIONAL, and they know exactly what they're doing. DESTRUCTION is exactly what they want, and that appears to be in our immediate future. The only thing I know to do is stand against evil with every opportunity AND PRAY! Our FOUNDERS also PRAYED!

Love In Christ,
Tom

Romans 1:16-32 ASV  For I am not ashamed of the gospel: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.  17  For therein is revealed a righteousness of God from faith unto faith: as it is written, But the righteous shall live by faith.  18  For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hinder the truth in unrighteousness;  19  because that which is known of God is manifest in them; for God manifested it unto them.  20  For the invisible things of him since the creation of the world are clearly seen, being perceived through the things that are made, even his everlasting power and divinity; that they may be without excuse:  21  because that, knowing God, they glorified him not as God, neither gave thanks; but became vain in their reasonings, and their senseless heart was darkened.  22  Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,  23  and changed the glory of the incorruptible God for the likeness of an image of corruptible man, and of birds, and four-footed beasts, and creeping things.  24  Wherefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts unto uncleanness, that their bodies should be dishonored among themselves:  25  for that they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.  26  For this cause God gave them up unto vile passions: for their women changed the natural use into that which is against nature:  27  and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another, men with men working unseemliness, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was due.  28  And even as they refused to have God in their knowledge, God gave them up unto a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not fitting;  29  being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malignity; whisperers,  30  backbiters, hateful to God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,  31  without understanding, covenant-breakers, without natural affection, unmerciful:  32  who, knowing the ordinance of God, that they that practise such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but also consent with them that practise them.


2 Timothy 1:7-10 ASV  For God gave us not a spirit of fearfulness; but of power and love and discipline.  8  Be not ashamed therefore of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but suffer hardship with the gospel according to the power of God;  9  who saved us, and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before times eternal,  10  but hath now been manifested by the appearing of our Saviour Christ Jesus, who abolished death, and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel,


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Shammu on March 04, 2009, 11:48:02 PM
Quote
God does indeed have a sense of humor and I do believe that He is using it to get a message across.

A massive snow storm hits during a mass civil disobedience at the coal fired power plant in Washington, DC

It is also the biggest snow storm since the stimulus package passed...........
 


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on March 05, 2009, 12:48:55 AM
It is also the biggest snow storm since the stimulus package passed...........
 

Most scientists around the world already know that global warming is nothing but a CON GAME to steal money from the people and CONTROL THEM! It's a terrible mess of SPOILED FISH that sure does stink, but they're trying it anyway. They tried to HIDE this DEAD FISH in the piles of paper, but it's hard to hide a DEAD FISH. Sadly, this DEAD FISH will push many people over the edge and they won't be able to pay the electric and heating bills. This is a VERY CRUEL DEAD FISH AT A TIME WHEN SO MANY PEOPLE ARE ALREADY HURTING. WE NEED TO DEMAND THAT THIS DEAD FISH BE BURIED! IF NOT - CRIMINAL CHARGES ARE NEXT!


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Shammu on March 06, 2009, 12:12:07 AM
Quote from: Brother Tom
It's a terrible mess of SPOILED FISH that sure does stink, but they're trying it anyway. They tried to HIDE this DEAD FISH in the piles of paper, but it's hard to hide a DEAD FISH. Sadly, this DEAD FISH will push many people over the edge and they won't be able to pay the electric and heating bills.

You know brother, during tribulation there will be dead fish stinking up the worlds oceans. Then it will happen to the lakes and rivers.

Revelations 16:3-4 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea. 4 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.

By the way brother, I tried to make a funny in my Reply #542 post.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on March 06, 2009, 01:11:27 AM
Quote
DreamWeaver Said:

By the way brother, I tried to make a funny in my Reply #542 post.

Brother, I'm sorry I missed it. I do get it now, and yes it was a "snow storm".    ;D  Thanks! - I needed that laugh. I think that my mind was on a news spot I was listening to at the time that was dealing with the high costs. I need to turn the news off more often.


Title: Bucking the media trend on global warming 'crisis' (THEY GOT CAUGHT!!)
Post by: nChrist on March 09, 2009, 04:09:55 PM
Bucking the media trend on global warming 'crisis'
Pete Chagnon - OneNewsNow - 3/9/2009 8:15:00 AMBookmark and Share


GW conference 2009 smallNEW YORK CITY - Speakers at a conference on climate change are making the case that the alarmism behind the global-warming bandwagon is politically motivated, has nothing to do with science, and could affect the sovereignty of the U.S.

The second annual International Conference on Climate Change hosted by The Heartland Institute is well under way in New York City. More than 700 registrants have gathered in the Big Apple to hear more than 70 scientists -- representing the views of tens of thousands of their colleagues -- make the argument that media and environmental advocacy groups have it all wrong, that global warming is not a crisis.

One of the headlining speakers to open the event Sunday evening was European Union and Czech Republic President Vaclav Klaus, who was welcomed with a standing ovation. Klaus, one of the most outspoken critics of manmade global warming in Europe, says those who propagate global-warming hysteria are like the communists of old Europe. Like global-warming alarmists, he stated, the communists did not listen to opposing views.

Vaclav Klaus (Pres. of Czech Republic)"They didn't even try to argue back," said Klaus. "They considered you a naďve, uninformed and confused person, an eccentric complainer....It is very similar now."

Klaus believes that politicians who propagate global warming hysteria only have one goal in mind: control of the public. "It is evident that the environmentalists don't want to change the climate," he said. "They want to change our behavior...to control and manipulate us."

And he warns that those same politicians wish to engage in energy rationing -- all because of a problem that he believes does not exist. Klaus concluded his speech with this remark.

"The environmentalists speak about saving the planet. We have to ask -- From what? And from whom?" said the EU leader. "I think I know [those answers] for sure. We have to save the planet, and us, from them."

Why isn't the mainstream press covering the EU president's visit to the U.S.?

Opposition an 'uphill battle' (audio report)

Dr. Richard Lindzen, who has been Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology at MIT for over 25 years, was one of the keynote speakers on the opening day. He said global warming hysteria is more about a political agenda and has nothing to do with science.

"I think [there is] one point you should notice as one discusses the science, and that is that global warming alarm -- as far as I can tell -- has always been a political movement, a highly organized one," Lindzen observed. "And although it took me a while to realize this, opposing it has always been an uphill battle."

The MIT professor, one of the world's most respected atmospheric physicists, said that many of his good friends and colleagues have subscribed to global warming alarmism because they either fear for their jobs or see it as a way to get funding for scientific projects. He also discussed the use of supposed "climate models," and quipped that as scientists debate intelligent design, climate models are an example of "unintelligent design."

Lindzen contends that climate models are being fed erroneous information in order to get the results that global-warming alarmists want.

Throwing money away (audio report)

Dr. Michael Coffman is the CEO of Sovereignty International, a U.N. watchdog organization. During an interview at the conference with OneNewsNow, he explained that the basis of his skepticism regarding global warming comes from research he himself has conducted.

"During the 1980s and early 1990s, I lead a multimillion-dollar research effort on global warming and found that the data that was being collected just didn't support the hypothesis that man was causing global warming," says Coffman.

Therefore he concludes that any money thrown at fixing the alleged problem is a waste.

"Any amount of money that we spend on it is not going to change any temperatures whatsoever," he observes, arguing that every family in America will be affected. "Because depending upon what legislation is passed, it will actually cause every American family to spend at least two- to five-thousand dollars more a year...to try to support this effort to curb carbon-dioxide emissions."

Coffman warns that politicians are moving towards having an international tribunal established which will regulate carbon emissions.

"Which means basically since carbon dioxide is involved in all elements of business in the United States, ...whoever does this controls the economy of the United States, and therefore our sovereignty," he cautions.

Later Monday a keynote speaker from Congress will be discussing the political aspect of global warming in greater detail.


Title: Scientists meet to dispute global warming theory (YEAH! - THEY GOT CAUGHT!)
Post by: nChrist on March 09, 2009, 04:12:36 PM
Scientists meet to dispute global warming theory
Pete Chagnon - OneNewsNow - 3/8/2009 4:00:00 AMBookmark and Share


NEW YORK CITY - The A-list of manmade climate-change skeptics is meeting in New York City for the 2009 International Conference on Climate Change.

The Conference is definitely international in scope. Opening the conference is Vaclav Klaus, president of the Czech Republic and the European Union. When it comes to manmade global warming, Klaus calls that a myth. He is also an outspoken critic of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, and says the panel is one-sided and has a political agenda.

GW conference 2009 smallFeatured at the conference will be more than 70 scientists who do not subscribe to the notion that so-called global warming is driven by manmade emissions of carbon dioxide, one of those being Harrison "Jack" Schmitt -- one of the last astronauts to walk on the moon.

The Conference is being hosted by The Heartland Institute. Dan Miller is the director of public relations at Heartland.

"What we are trying to accomplish with this conference is to present to the politicians and to the public that the debate is not over about global warming or climate change; that there is plenty of room for disagreement; and that sound science shows that the earth is not warming," says Miller.

"For much of the latter part of the 20th century there's been a mild warming as we come out of an ice age -- but the planet today is much cooler than it was a thousand years ago."

Besides the 70+ scientists at this conference, more than 650 scientists worldwide have expressed skepticism over manmade climate change.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on March 10, 2009, 02:20:01 PM
Blizzard Warning for North Dakota

9 Mar 09 – A major winter storm system organizing in the central Rockies will
move across the northern Plains on Tuesday. The heaviest snowfall is expected
along and south of a line from Lisbon to Fosston and Baudette where a foot or
more of snow is expected, making travel “extremely difficult if not impossible.”
“Wind chills are expected to fall to hazardous levels of 30 to 40 below zero.”

This is on top of their snowiest winter on record!



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on March 10, 2009, 11:43:26 PM
 ;D

WHEW!

Heat like that would melt all the snow off the Alps. This sounds like a job for LIMO AL!  Al should do fine if he'll just keep his mouth closed.

(http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i160/tlr10/weath/weath102.gif)

 



Title: Increased Number Think Global Warming Is “Exaggerated”
Post by: Shammu on March 12, 2009, 05:19:28 PM
Increased Number Think Global Warming Is “Exaggerated”
Most believe global warming is happening, but urgency has stalled

by Lydia Saad
March 11 2009

PRINCETON, NJ -- Although a majority of Americans believe the seriousness of global warming is either correctly portrayed in the news or underestimated, a record-high 41% now say it is exaggerated. This represents the highest level of public skepticism about mainstream reporting on global warming seen in more than a decade of Gallup polling on the subject.

As recently as 2006, significantly more Americans thought the news underestimated the seriousness of global warming than said it exaggerated it, 38% vs. 30%. Now, according to Gallup's 2009 Environment survey, more Americans say the problem is exaggerated rather than underestimated, 41% vs. 28%.

The trend in the "exaggerated" response has been somewhat volatile since 2001, and the previous high point, 38%, came in 2004. Over the next two years, "exaggerated" sentiment fell to 31% and 30%. Still, as noted, the current 41% is the highest since Gallup's trend on this measure began in 1997.

Since 1997, Republicans have grown increasingly likely to believe media coverage of global warming is exaggerated, and that trend continues in the 2009 survey; however, this year marks a relatively sharp increase among independents as well. In just the past year, Republican doubters grew from 59% to 66%, and independents from 33% to 44%, while the rate among Democrats remained close to 20%.

Increased Number Think Global Warming Is “Exaggerated” (http://www.gallup.com/poll/116590/Increased-Number-Think-Global-Warming-Exaggerated.aspx)
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Well, what do you know, maybe people are starting to wake up to the lies of Albert Gore!! :D


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on March 12, 2009, 06:09:17 PM
Not only do they "Think Global Warming Is “Exaggerated”" there is an even larger increase of people that are moving over to the complete skeptic ranks. I think having to run their furnaces longer and having to deal with more snow and ice has had a strong effect on some peoples minds. Of course there are still those without minds to be effected by it.

 ;D ;D



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on March 12, 2009, 09:19:12 PM
AGW Today: Life Threatening Cold, End Global Warming!

Pure comedy. You have to wonder if people even read what they write. From the Planet In Peril portion of CNN: Team battles Arctic winter to measure melting ice caps

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It could be the ultimate test of human endurance: Three British explorers are risking their lives in subzero temperatures to measure the melting Arctic ice cap.

In case you didn't catch that let me post it again.

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It could be the ultimate test of human endurance: Three British explorers are risking their lives in subzero temperatures to measure the melting Arctic ice cap.

That's right "melting Artic ice cap" in "sub-zero temperatures".

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    The team is on a three-month, 621-mile (1,000-kilometer) hike to their final destination at the North Pole. Along the way, taking precise measurements to determine exactly how fast the ice cap is disappearing.

    “It’s extremely difficult to live out here. It’s very, very easy to get cold injuries in seconds,” said Martin Hartley, team photographer and filmmaker, via satellite phone.

    The team has been braving temperatures as low as minus 40 degrees Fahrenheit/Celsius spending their nights sleeping in tents and their days trudging across the shifting, barren polar expanse.

    The unique expedition was prompted by this chilling prospect: The Arctic ice cap is melting at an unprecedented rate, which may lead to a dramatic shift in average global temperatures.

So, it’s really, really, really cold, the kind of cold that risks lives. They are traveling over the ice all the way to the North Pole to measure the supposed melting ice, which they happen to be traveling across. Did I mention that they are traveling across the ice that is supposedly melting at an unprecedented rate, while it is really, really, really cold?

I can understand that not everyone has the capacity for logic. The world today however goes way beyond just a lack of logic. It has gone into complete insanity.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Shammu on March 12, 2009, 10:55:22 PM
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I can understand that not everyone has the capacity for logic. The world today however goes way beyond just a lack of logic. It has gone into complete insanity.

As Mr. Spock (Star Trek) would say, "that is completely illogical", or "your logic is flawed". This is past insanity, this is plain out, and out stupidity.

What ever happened to common sense?? (http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc142/MajesticSpirit76/Smilies/shrug.gif)


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on March 14, 2009, 03:36:00 AM
The REALITY  is MUCH MORE ICE NOW - NOT LESS! There are also MORE POLAR BEARS NOW - NOT LESS!

It's all a hype to steal your money with the CON GAME OF CAP AND TRADE - AL GORE'S MONEY-MAKER that will cause poor people and average people to suffer greatly. It's also highly destructive to any kind of possible recovery on the economy. Other that this - IT'S NOTHING BUT CRIMINAL FRAUD AND LIES!

HINT:  climate change - especially temperature - is caused directly from the sun. The sun IS NOT a stable source for light and heat, and it NEVER HAS BEEN! Solar activity goes up and down - has trends - and frequent changes that scientists don't understand!  COMMON SENSE:  more solar activity results in more light and more heat  --  less solar activity results in less light and less heat.  DUH!

UMS?

Plants must have greenhouse gases to survive and thrive!

Humans must eat plants to survive and thrive!

Other life must eat plants to survive and thrive!

Plants convert greenhouse gases to oxygen!

We would have a real crisis with low amounts of greenhouse gases!

Man has no control over the sun - ZERO! Relatively small changes in the sun could cause man to either freeze or fry, and man couldn't do a thing about it! GOD'S IN CHARGE! - not man!

AL GORE  --  DUH!!  --  All the money you STEAL in cap and trade will be confiscated under RICCO STATUTES!!  --  ORGANIZED CRIME!!


Title: "Unprecedented" snowfall expected in Oklahoma
Post by: Soldier4Christ on March 26, 2009, 10:09:53 PM
"Unprecedented" snowfall expected in Oklahoma
"Near blizzard conditions" - "Possibly crippling"

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE - A POWERFUL LATE-SEASON WINTER STORM WILL IMPACT MUCH OF OKLAHOMA AND NORTHERN TEXAS FROM LATE THURSDAY NIGHT THROUGH EARLY SATURDAY AFTERNOON.

HEAVY SNOW IS EXPECTED OVER PARTS OF NORTHERN AND WESTERN OKLAHOMA... AND STRONG WINDS WILL CREATE NEAR-BLIZZARD CONDITIONS IN SOME AREAS.

STORM-TOTAL SNOWFALL COULD REACH UNPRECEDENTED LEVELS FOR SO LATE IN THE SEASON... AND BLOWING AND DRIFTING SNOW COULD VIRTUALLY SHUT DOWN MANY PARTS OF NORTHWESTERN OKLAHOMA BY SATURDAY.

INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...BUFFALO...ALVA... CHEROKEE... MEDFORD... PONCA CITY...ARNETT... WOODWARD... FAIRVIEW... ENID... PERRY... CHEYENNE...TALOGA... WEATHERFORD... CLINTON... WATONGA... KINGFISHER...ELK CITY...SAYRE

THIS WINTER STORM HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BECOME A PARTICULARLY SIGNIFICANT AND POSSIBLY CRIPPLING WEATHER EVENT IN NORTHWESTERN OKLAHOMA... WITH THE POSSIBILITY OF VERY HEAVY SNOW ACCUMULATIONS OF A FOOT OR MORE... AND STRONG WINDS LEADING TO MAJOR BLOWING AND DRIFTING ALONG WITH NEAR-WHITEOUT CONDITIONS AT TIMES.

SNOW IS FORECAST TO BEGIN FALLING OVER FAR NORTHWEST OKLAHOMA LATE THURSDAY NIGHT. SNOW WILL SPREAD SOUTHEAST AND BECOME HEAVY AT TIMES DURING THE DAY ON FRIDAY. SOME ADDITIONAL LIGHT SNOW IS EXPECTED TO CONTINUE FRIDAY NIGHT. TOTAL SNOW ACCUMULATIONS GREATER THAN 4 INCHES ARE LIKELY WITHIN THE WATCH AREA... WITH SIGNIFICANTLY GREATER AMOUNTS POSSIBLE ESPECIALLY IN FAR
NORTHWESTERN OKLAHOMA.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on March 27, 2009, 06:32:02 AM
All of this Al Gore global warming sure is cold.

I would hope that most realize that the CAP AND TRADE CON-GAME is a FRAUD, and CRIMINAL CHARGES can be filed. Here's the rest of the secret:  THIS IS HOW THEY PLAN TO PAY FOR THE SWITCH TO SOCIALISM AND COMMUNISM. It really doesn't matter that it will cripple and/or BANKRUPT nearly everything required for JOBS. In our current situation, NOTHING COULD BE WORSE TO IMPLEMENT. Other things in the AGENDA are almost as BAD! Try adding on SOCIALIZED MEDICINE AND SOCIALIZED WORK FORCES. NOBODY wins (IN THIS COUNTRY) except people like GEORGE SOROS. There are OBVIOUSLY more winners in the COMMUNIST WORLD! In the meantime, start saying GOODBYE TO FREEDOM, RIGHTS, THE RULE OF LAW, AND THE CONSTITUTION!


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Shammu on March 27, 2009, 11:11:51 PM
All of this Al Gore global warming sure is cold.



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Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on March 28, 2009, 10:30:01 AM
Turn on your lights!
Exclusive: Joseph Farah urges opposite action to tonight's 'global warming' ritual

From 8:30 to 9:30 tonight, lights will be turned off all over the world – from the Eiffel Tower to the Great Pyramids of Giza to the decadent marquees of Las Vegas and Broadway.

So be it.

The occasion is "Earth Hour" – organized by the World Wildlife Fund to persuade world leaders, as if they needed any more persuading, to take of what's left of your money and use it to cool off the planet.

I have a better idea.

Be sure to switch on every light in your home between 8:30 p.m. and 9:30 p.m. tonight as a way to protest this madness.

Let me start at the beginning.

Man-made global warming is a hoax – a fraud being perpetrated on people worldwide as part of a power grab by elitists determined to steal what remains of your personal freedom.

It's not science. It's raw politics.

No amount of man-made activity, certainly not illuminating lights, is going to cause even the most infinitesimal heating of the planet.

Further, the real science shows the planet is no longer warming for any reason whatsoever! The temperature of the Earth is actually cooling slightly, and has been for about five years.

Warming and cooling of the planet are natural cycles that have occurred from the beginning of time. Ask any scientist. In fact, these cycles occur on other planets where there is no life and no industry. How does Al Gore explain that?

But worse than the lie is the insidious strategy behind it. You are being indoctrinated to believe in this fraud so you can be more easily manipulated – so you won't squeal quite as loud when your wealth is confiscated, so you won't object when you're told (or your children are told some day) that the population must be limited to save the planet, when you're told that means you can't have any more children.

That's where this plot leads.

Many are falling for it – in spite of all the evidence to the contrary.

"Global warming" is taught like a religion in your schools. And that's just what it is – it's a throwback to pagan Earth worship.

"Global warming" is taught as a way of life in your colleges and universities.

"Global warming" is preached as fact in your new media.

"Global warming" is stealthily propagated as a real threat in your entertainment – including in the best show on television, Fox's "24."

"Global warming" is, in fact, the new name for global control of the populace. It's the new name for worldwide fascism. It's the new excuse for communism or whatever name you choose for the coming tyranny.

Don't be fooled.

Don't participate.

Don't believe it.

Don't fall for it.

Resist.

You can begin tonight by turning on your lights when your less-informed, easily led neighbors are going dark.

Make a statement.

Let there be light tonight.

Evil loves darkness, so it's no surprise that some very evil people are promoting it once again. Don't be seduced.

Don't be like the sheep led to slaughter.

Fight back.

Think!

Do you really believe this hoax?

On what basis?

Do you really believe carbon dioxide leads to a warmer planet? There is no evidence to suggest it. Further, man is responsible for producing only a tiny portion of the carbon dioxide in our atmosphere. And carbon dioxide is not a pollutant, as you are being told. It is a naturally occurring gas that is vital to the support of life on the planet.

Use your brain.

Turn on the lights.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on March 29, 2009, 12:42:03 PM
Global warming pictures of the day. These were just taken this morning.


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/randers/100_0502.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/randers/100_0504.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/randers/100_0503.jpg)



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Rhys on March 29, 2009, 07:23:19 PM
Global warming is defined as a Long-Term increase in global average temperatures, particularly night-time temperatures. Long term means hundreds of years.

A cold year, or even a cold decade, doesn't disprove global warming.

Scientific data overwhelmingly supports global warming:

Atmospheric CO2 increases:
http://celebrating200years.noaa.gov/datasets/mauna/image3b.html (http://celebrating200years.noaa.gov/datasets/mauna/image3b.html)

Global Average Temperature 1850 - 2008:
http://hadobs.metoffice.com/hadcrut3/diagnostics/comparison.html (http://hadobs.metoffice.com/hadcrut3/diagnostics/comparison.html)

Yes, there has been a slight decrease in the last few years, but this is likely due to the sunspot cycle (see below) and will reverse a few years after the cycle resumes. It is a reprieve that buys us some time, but not a reason to dance on the grave of global warming. http://www.popsci.com/environment/article/2009-03/pronouncement-global-warming%E2%80%99s-demise-thin-ice (http://www.popsci.com/environment/article/2009-03/pronouncement-global-warming%E2%80%99s-demise-thin-ice)

Even the Bush administration admitted the reality of global warming http://news.mongabay.com/2008/0530-bush.html (http://news.mongabay.com/2008/0530-bush.html).

Much of the so-called research that debunks global warming comes from the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine, a small institute which has no scientists qualified in meteorology or climate and whose methods are extremely questionable (http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Oregon_Institute_of_Science_and_Medicine (http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Oregon_Institute_of_Science_and_Medicine)). Their petition naming 19,000 "scientists" who oppose global warming pretended to be endorsed by the National Academy of Scientists, although they had never heard of it, and only a few dozen who did sign had anything to do with climate research. In other words, it was an attempt at fraud by people who claim to be Christians.

While I am not going to speak to how much global warming is caused by man, NOAA estimates about 60% is. That means it might still take place without us, but at a much slower pace. There is no good reason not to do what we can to slow it down. Being good stewards of the earth God gave us demands it.



The Maunder Minimum  http://solarscience.msfc.nasa.gov/SunspotCycle.shtml (http://solarscience.msfc.nasa.gov/SunspotCycle.shtml)

Early records of sunspots indicate that the Sun went through a period of inactivity in the late 17th century. Very few sunspots were seen on the Sun from about 1645 to 1715 (38 kb JPEG image). Although the observations were not as extensive as in later years, the Sun was in fact well observed during this time and this lack of sunspots is well documented. This period of solar inactivity also corresponds to a climatic period called the "Little Ice Age" when rivers that are normally ice-free froze and snow fields remained year-round at lower altitudes. There is evidence that the Sun has had similar periods of inactivity in the more distant past. The connection between solar activity and terrestrial climate is an area of on-going research.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on March 29, 2009, 08:45:29 PM
Global warming is defined as a Long-Term increase in global average temperatures, particularly night-time temperatures. Long term means hundreds of years.

A cold year, or even a cold decade, doesn't disprove global warming.

Nor does a warm year or decade prove global warming especially when records have been falsified by NASA's Jim Hansen to indicate warmer temperatures that actually exist. The records have omitted most if not all of the Siberian area that is extremely cold. They were also caught placing Sept 2008 temps in place of Oct 2008 temps. See the following link for other problems in the temperature records given by these organizations, especially the series on How not to measure temperature  http://wattsupwiththat.com/

more on this:

http://surfacestations.org/

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Scientific data overwhelmingly supports global warming:

Atmospheric CO2 increases:
http://celebrating200years.noaa.gov/datasets/mauna/image3b.html (http://celebrating200years.noaa.gov/datasets/mauna/image3b.html)

Global Average Temperature 1850 - 2008:
http://hadobs.metoffice.com/hadcrut3/diagnostics/comparison.html (http://hadobs.metoffice.com/hadcrut3/diagnostics/comparison.html)

CO2 levels for Mauna Loa area does not give CO2 levels for the entire world. Going by ice core samples CO2 levels were much high many years ago than they are now yet it was also at a time that the entire earth was much colder. CO2 levels have nothing to do with generating warmer or colder temps.


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Yes, there has been a slight decrease in the last few years, but this is likely due to the sunspot cycle (see below) and will reverse a few years after the cycle resumes. It is a reprieve that buys us some time, but not a reason to dance on the grave of global warming. http://www.popsci.com/environment/article/2009-03/pronouncement-global-warming%E2%80%99s-demise-thin-ice (http://www.popsci.com/environment/article/2009-03/pronouncement-global-warming%E2%80%99s-demise-thin-ice)

Even the Bush administration admitted the reality of global warming http://news.mongabay.com/2008/0530-bush.html (http://news.mongabay.com/2008/0530-bush.html).


All this indicates is that this is cyclical in nature not a trend toward warming. btw Bush is no expert on this either however he did push it back toward the shelf instead of relying totally on warming garbage.



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Much of the so-called research that debunks global warming comes from the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine, a small institute which has no scientists qualified in meteorology or climate and whose methods are extremely questionable (http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Oregon_Institute_of_Science_and_Medicine (http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Oregon_Institute_of_Science_and_Medicine)). Their petition naming 19,000 "scientists" who oppose global warming pretended to be endorsed by the National Academy of Scientists, although they had never heard of it, and only a few dozen who did sign had anything to do with climate research. In other words, it was an attempt at fraud by people who claim to be Christians.

There are many other reputable Climatologists and Meteorologists that do dispute global warming in the aspect that it is given as non-cyclical or caused by man.

http://icecap.us/index.php/go/experts

http://wattsupwiththat.com/





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While I am not going to speak to how much global warming is caused by man, NOAA estimates about 60% is. That means it might still take place without us, but at a much slower pace. There is no good reason not to do what we can to slow it down. Being good stewards of the earth God gave us demands it.

If mankind thinks that they can do something that is only in the power of God to control then they are sadly mistaken. Personally I wish that global warming were true. All of creation would benefit greatly if we had a warmer climate and had a higher level of CO2. Plants would grow bigger and healthier and fewer people would die. Now the Bible does speak of a time when there will be a global warming on earth. Rev 16:8-9 There is nothing that mankind can do to change, prevent nor delay the timing on that unless all of mankind were to repent and turn to God. Until that time God has promised us that all seasons will continue, that the cycles from cold to hot will not cease. Gen 8:22

The majority of the fraud on this global warming garbage is by the environmentalists that worship the earth placing it above mankind and by politicians that are simply using it as a means to gain more taxes and power.

I am all for doing things that are good for the environment but the majority they want to do is not beneficial for the environment and in fact has done nothing but make the environment a hostile place for animals, plants and mankind.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on March 29, 2009, 11:29:39 PM
I'll just say that I feel sorry for the folks who fall for the global warming hoax and con game. In a best case scenario, it's folks trying to make a mountain out of TINY details when compared to the big picture of REALITY.

Part of the big picture of REALITY is the SUN and other big details that have been ignored for the sake of extortion, fraud, and con games. If one wants to reduce the big picture and look at just earth and nothing more, the bigger REALITY would still be NATURE - not man. In fact, one could talk about a single natural event that would have mind-numbing numbers in comparison to the TINY details some men are making their money with. An example of a single incident would be a volcano or any number of other completely natural events. I must add that many of the substances involved would be deadly in comparison to the tiny details the con men are talking about. Massive amounts of deadly chemicals are locked up in GOD'S CREATION, and GOD holds them in check or releases them as HE pleases.

The BIG PICTURE of REALITY is GOD and HIS CREATION - the universe. The TINY picture and the crime of the week is man and what he thinks that he knows - OR SAYS THAT HE KNOWS. Man really knows almost NOTHING, but maybe he can sell you NOTHING and make tons of money with it.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on April 10, 2009, 03:07:14 PM
A farmer’s view on carbon credits


This short personal essay from “farmer Steve” in North Dakota appeared as a comment on WUWT here. I thought it was a succinct and clear message based on personal experience and values, and thus worth sharing. I’ve made some formatting changes to make it easier to read, otherwise it is exactly as he posted his comment. Anyone who wishes to repost this essay has my permission to do so. - Anthony Watts of "What's Up With That" (WUWT)

Carbon Credits

I have changed my mind about participating in the carbon credit program. And have resolved to give the money I received to St Jude’s Children’s Hospital.

Here is why.

Recently I sat in the fire hall with a few dozen farmers. We had been invited to hear how we can get paid for carbon credits.

The speaker explained how their satellites can measure the carbon in our land individually and how much money we could get. Then asked for questions.

I asked “what is the source of this money”?

The presenter said it comes from big companies that pollute.

I asked “where do they get this money”? He had no answer.

So I answered for him, asking, “won’t it come from everyone who pays their power bill”? He then agreed and said “that could be”.

I then said isn’t this about the theory of man made global warming? he said “we are not going to talk about that”. Here they are on the prairie soliciting land for carbon credits tempting us with free money.

I believe that agreeing to take their money means you agree with taxing cattle gas also, because methane is a greenhouse gas 20 times more powerful than carbon. I believe taking this money without considering its source makes us no better than the bankers who lent money to people, knowing they could not pay it back. Collecting their fees then selling the bad loans in bundles to someone else. They did not care where the money came from either.

Let’s be clear.

Carbon is not a new commodity! No new wealth is being created here! Is this the way we want to make a living? Let me ask you, what if their satellites determine that your land has lost carbon? You will get a bill, not a check, right? If you make a tillage pass you will get a bill for emitting carbon, is this not correct?

It is also a fact that this income will, in short order, get built into your land cost. You will keep very little and be left with the burden of another bureaucratic program.

Let’s be honest, we feel compelled to take this money because of the need to be competitive, however we also need to hold true to our values and lead by example that means placing our principals ahead of money.

No good citizen is opposed to using the earth’s resources wisely, however, wisdom means a person who has both intelligence and humility. In my view many of the proponents of man made global warming have the first and lack the second. We are able to exercise our freedom in this country because we have abundant, reliable and affordable power. It is ironic that we sat in front of the flag in that fire hall and considered trading our liberty for money.

I’ll leave you with a quote from Roy Disney:

“Decision making becomes easier when your values are clear to you”





Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on April 22, 2009, 12:54:13 PM
California EPA to rule against ethanol
Regulators conclude biofuel can't help state reduce 'global warming'

In a decision anticipated as a major setback for proponents of renewable biofuels, California regulators appear ready to conclude that corn ethanol cannot help the state reduce "global warming."

In a hearing scheduled tomorrow in Sacramento, the California Environmental Protection Agency has evidently concluded that corn ethanol will not help the state implement Executive Order S-1-07, the Low Carbon Fuel Standard, signed by Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger Jan. 18, 2007, mandating a 10 percent reduction in the carbon intensity of the state's fuels by 2020.

"Ethanol is a good fuel, but how it is produced is problematic," Dimitri Stanich, public information oOfficer for the California Environmental Protection Agency, told WND. "The corn ethanol industry has to figure out another way to process corn into ethanol that is not so coal intensive."

Stanich pointed out that the formula the California Environmental Protection Agency utilizes to assess the net greenhouse gas impact of alternative fuels takes into consideration that typically the electricity used to produce corn ethanol involves burning coal, which emits carbon dioxide and defeats states regulatory intent to reduce net greenhouse emissions.

Also problematic, Stanich explained, was that increased demand for ethanol will encourage recognition worldwide that more ethanol can be sold. The result is that more land globally will be converted to producing corn for ethanol.

"Converting land that is now a 'carbon sink' to farmland producing ethanol also defeats the purpose of the regulations, because land now absorbing carbon dioxide would be cleared to produce corn," he said.

Another problem Stanich pointed out was that the waste product from producing corn ethanol also requires the burning of coal to convert it into animal feed.

The California Environmental Protection Agency formula assesses as a loss the conversion of the carbon dioxide-absorbing land now populated with trees into cleared farmland producing corn for ethanol.

Stanich told WND the California Environmental Protection Agency has scheduled six hours for public testimony, expecting to hear strong opposition from the ethanol industry.

Current federal government mandates require U.S. gasoline producers to use 12 billion gallons of ethanol this year, with the requirement increasing to 15 billion gallons by 2015.

Under the Obama administration, the U.S. Department of Agriculture and the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency are pushing to increase the percentage of ethanol in gasoline from 10 percent to 15 percent, an increase right now that would mostly come from corn ethanol, not cellulosic ethanol.

The U.S. Department of Agriculture predicts nearly one-fourth of U.S. corn production in 2014-2015 will be diverted to ethanol production, up from 12 percent in 2004-2005.

The USDA estimates that the increased demand for corn to produce ethanol has pushed prices from less than $2 per bushel of corn in 2005 to $3.40 per bushel in 2007. Corn is currently trading at about $3.80 per bushel.

WND reported this week a controversial Congressional Budget Office study concluded that 10 to 15 percent of the increase in food prices from April 2007 to April 2008 is attributable to the increasing demand for corn to produce ethanol, contributing adversely to the problem of world hunger.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on April 22, 2009, 01:27:47 PM
GLOBAL WARMING!

IS THE KEY TERM!

TO REMOVING FREEDOM!

AND CONTROLLING THE MASSES!

_______________________

IT'S LIES!

DOESN'T EXIST!

AND DESIGNED TO

CONTROL YOU!

________________________

GET IT?


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Brother Jerry on April 24, 2009, 12:16:11 PM
Well now to be completely "transparent" and more factually correct.  There is such a thing as global warming.  It does happen, along with global cooling.  I have no problems with the idea of the earth surface warming up or cooling off...the temp of the earth surface is not only a faction of the core temperature radiating out, but also the effects of the sun radiating in...and some other factors.  Any change in any one of those factors can cause a shift in the overall surface temperature.  I have no problems with that whatsoever.

Where I do have a problem is the idea that man has anything to do with it.  I would believe that the surface temp is increasing due to the volume of traffic on the roads, the friction of the tires causing a warming process that conducts out throughout the surface of the earth, before I would believe that CO2 has anything to do with it. 


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on April 24, 2009, 12:48:58 PM
before I would believe that CO2 has anything to do with it. 


Precisely. There is indeed climate change which is now the new terminology. Climate has changed since Noah's flood and will continue to until the ends of the earth. Global warming and climate change as the environmentalists and now politicians claim it to be is non-existent. CO2 is NOT A POLLUTANT IT IS A NECESSARY SUBSTANCE FOR LIFE. Plants need it, animals need it, humans need it. Without CO2 there would be no plants, animals and people would die and not just from starvation. Animals and people would suffer more breathing ailments such as asthma without CO2.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on April 24, 2009, 04:47:03 PM
Brothers and Sisters,

The SEASONS are a perfect example of natural cycles of climate change on the earth. We also know that the sun and the moon have dramatic effects to the climate on earth, ESPECIALLY the SUN. Natural cycles and trends of solar activity on the SUN has almost immediate and drastic effects on the earth. Changes in solar activity could easily freeze or fry mankind, and we do have hard evidence of continual changes in solar activity that man has NO WAY to control. GOD is in charge of that!

The most recent insanity I've heard about so-called global warming caused by man is that obese people should be taxed more because they have more impact on global warming. After all, obese people eat more and create more so-called harmful gases than skinny people do.   ;D  NO, I'm not joking - this is actually being discussed. It's also been discussed that people should stop eating meat because cattle and other sources of meat also create these so-called harmful gases. Global discussions of this topic have gone far beyond the insane and are out there somewhere in the TWILIGHT ZONE! YES, some folks are completely serious about people NOT eating meat! YES, some folks are completely serious about increased taxes for obese people!

In all of this so-called global warming INSANITY, you won't hear about the things that Pastor Roger and I mentioned! WHY? - It's just common sense that ruins the BIGGEST CRIMINAL CON GAME IN THE HISTORY OF MAN! After all, GENERAL ELECTRIC, AL GORE, GEORGE SOROS, PRESIDENT OBAMA, AND OTHER CRIMINAL CONSPIRATORS ARE WAITING FOR THEIR MONEY! It really doesn't matter much that poor people can't afford this and won't survive it! It will only matter when significant numbers of those PAYING THE EXTORTION MONEY STOP OR ARE UNABLE TO CONTINUE PAYING! THEY WOULD THEN HAVE TO REDUCE THEIR EXTORTION DEMANDS TO KEEP GETTING THE CRIMINAL FRUITS OF THEIR LABOR! Let's not forget about THIS being the perfect way to control masses of people. After all, the BIG BOYS would control the needed ENERGY to heat and cool homes or use any other device requiring ENERGY. THEY WOULD HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO PUT THE ENTIRE WORLD BACK IN THE STONE AGE AND KILL A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF THE POPULATION OF THE EARTH!


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on April 24, 2009, 07:54:04 PM
 Dingell grills Gore

Rep. John Dingell (D-Mich.) didn't give his friend Al Gore a free pass when he questioned the former VP during his House testimony today.

"Cap and trade is a tax, and it's a great big one," Dingell said.

He pushed Gore to explain why adopting cap-and-trade wouldn't lead to the same failures Europe encountered with such policies. And he pushed the former VP to explain why America should make such a sacrifice when other big polluters are not.

"They're going to skin us," Dingell said of industrial polluters like China. "How do we protect our people?" he added.

Dingell is the former chairman of the House Energy and Commerce committee, a subcommittee of which Gore was appearing before today. Dingell was replaced by Rep. Henry Waxman (D-Calif.), who is sponsoring the legislation under consideration.

The Michigan Democrat said he wants to make sure energy-intensive industries are allowed to transition into any new regulatory scheme.


Title: Obama plan: Paint roofs white to save world
Post by: Shammu on May 27, 2009, 10:33:38 AM
Obama plan: Paint roofs white to save world
Suggests light colors would reduce global warming
Posted: May 26, 2009

WorldNetDaily

Steven Chu, who directed the Department of Energy's Lawrence Berkeley National Lab and was professor of physics and molecular and cell biology at the University of California before being appointed by President Obama to be the U.S. Energy Secretary, says white paint is what's needed to fix global warming.

Chu, who according to the federal agency's website, successfully applied the techniques he developed in atomic physics to molecular biology and recently led the lab in pursuit of new alternative and renewable energies, has told the London Times  that by making paved surfaces and roofs lighter in color, the world would reduce carbon emissions by as much as parking all the cars in the world for 11 years.

The DOE says Chu's areas of expertise are in atomic physics, quantum electronics, polymer and biophysics. According to the Times, he was speaking at the St. James' Palace Nobel Laureate Symposium, in which the Times partners for media events, when he described his simple and "completely benign" … "geo-engineering" plan.

(Story continues below)

He said building codes should require that flat roofed-buildings have their tops painted white. Visible sloped roofs could be painted "cool" colors. And roads could be made a lighter color.

Chu, a co-winner of the Nobel Prize for Physics in 1997, was sworn in as energy secretary Jan. 21.

Obama said when he appointed Chu, "The future of our economy and national security is inextricably linked to one challenge: energy… Steven has blazed new trails as a scientist, teacher, and administrator."

"I think with flat-type roofs you can't even see, yes, I think you should regulate quite frankly," Chu said in the Times report.

And asked if governments should promote white paint as the global warming "solution," he said, "Yes, absolutely … White roofs everywhere, yes."

Light surfaces reflect more of the sunlight that falls on them, hardly a surprise in warmer parts of the world where walls and roofs have been whitewashed for generations.

Chu told the Times his dogma on the issue was prompted by Art Rosenfeld of the California Energy Commission, who prompted a change in that state that now requires all flat roofs on commercial buildings to be painted white.

The Times report said a year ago, Rosenfeld and several colleagues estimated changing the color of roofs in 100 of the largest cities around the world would save 44 billion tons of carbon dioxide emissions.

"Now, you smile, but [Rosenfeld has] done a calculation, made a paper on this, and if you take all the buildings and make their roofs white and if you make the pavement more of a concrete type of color rather than a black type of color, and you do this uniformly… it's the equivalent of reducing the carbon emissions due to all the cars on the road for 11 years, you just take them off the road for 11 years," Chu told the Times.

"Get a bucket of paint and a brush and save the planet!" wrote a participant in the news page's forums page.


Title: Re: Obama plan: Paint roofs white to save world
Post by: Shammu on May 27, 2009, 10:37:30 AM
Obama plan: Paint roofs white to save world
Suggests light colors would reduce global warming



Now he's pandering to the typical white people!!

Just wait till Jesse Jackson, and/or Al Sharpton hear about this one!!


"Get a bucket of paint and a brush and save the planet!" wrote a participant in the news page's forums page.

Seems more people are still believing the lie of global warming.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: HisDaughter on May 27, 2009, 11:58:31 AM
This guy is as much a maniac as Hitler, Sadaam or any other tyrant that has tried to take over the world.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on May 27, 2009, 02:35:04 PM
This guy is as much a maniac as Hitler, Sadaam or any other tyrant that has tried to take over the world.

Exactly.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on May 27, 2009, 07:04:24 PM
This guy is as much a maniac as Hitler, Sadaam or any other tyrant that has tried to take over the world.

Another exactly! It's beyond me why anyone believe all this garbage. OBAMA'S PICTURE OF SUCCESS WOULD BE WORSE THAN RED CHINA!


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: light2light on June 01, 2009, 08:46:43 PM
Has anyone informed Al Gore of Global Cooling?


GLOBAL COOLING
By Neal Boortz  June 1, 2009

You do know that in spite of all the leftist alarmism, the earth has been cooling for the past eight or so years, don't you? Well ... read this story. There's a graph in the story which shows solar activity decreasing for ... guess what? ... The last eight years. Somehow the anti-capitalist environmentalist moonbats don't seem to believe that decreasing or increasing solar activity can have anything to do with the temperatures on earth.

http://boortz.com/nealz_nuze/2009/06/global-cooling.html



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Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on June 02, 2009, 02:33:09 PM
Hello Light2light and All,

Some people might genuinely believe the GLOBAL WARMING CON GAME, but others like Al Gore know IT'S A LIE for money. If you tell a lie often enough and long enough, some people will believe it, regardless of how foolish it is.

Global warming is one of the mechanisms planned to put the people under TYRANNY, SOCIALISM, AND COMMUNISM. It's also HUGE Money for folks like Al Gore and General Electric. It isn't science at all - JUST A HUGE CON GAME. Real scientists know that trends of solar activity in the SUN cause warming and cooling. In other words:  GOD IS IN CONTROL - not al gore and fellow conspirators.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: light2light on June 05, 2009, 10:14:19 PM
Hello Light2light and All,

Some people might genuinely believe the GLOBAL WARMING CON GAME, but others like Al Gore know IT'S A LIE for money. If you tell a lie often enough and long enough, some people will believe it, regardless of how foolish it is.

Each day, global warming takes another hit, with new reports chipping away at its creditability. 

I'd like to know when it's finally completely debunked if Gore will give back his Oscar.

 ;)



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on June 06, 2009, 12:36:01 AM
Each day, global warming takes another hit, with new reports chipping away at its creditability. 

I'd like to know when it's finally completely debunked if Gore will give back his Oscar.

 ;)



I'd like to see him repay all the millions of dollars he's made with this CON GAME and some CRIMINAL CHARGES FOR FRAUD. Many in the government need to GO DOWN with him, and maybe they can all share a PRISON CELL. Even the NASA Scientists have said man has nothing to do with the climate. Wonder of all wonders, NASA said that changes were caused by trends in SOLAR ACTIVITY. Imagine that:  Changes in the SUN actually have an impact on heating and cooling. DUH! - WHO WOULD HAVE THUNK IT?


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: light2light on June 08, 2009, 12:06:45 PM
Sunday, June 07, 2009
Gore Blames “Tyranny of the Financial Markets” For Global Warming


NEW YORK—Former Vice President Al Gore thinks that financial markets are to blame for environmental problems.

Gore, speaking at a Cornell University-sponsored roundtable in New York City on Wednesday (June 3), told the audience that the "tyranny of short-term horizons” forced companies to maximize returns on a short-term quarterly basis. This, the panelists said, undermined long-term progress in combating environmental ills, such as global warming.

This "tyranny of short-term horizons is not limited to investing but also to politics," said Gore. But the Obama administration has an opportunity to lead the world, he said, especially at the forthcoming United Nations Climate Conference in Copenhagen. And if the cap-and-trade bill to tax carbon passes in Congress this year, it would help create a "global framework" to bring China into a global agreement on regulating carbon, he said.
Gore’s comments came in response to--and echoed sentiments expressed by--Ratan Tata, chairman of the Tata Group, a multi-national conglomerate that promotes itself as environmentally conscious.

Despite decrying the financial markets, both Tata and Gore have direct financial interests in advancing global warming alarmism and promoting environmental technologies.

The Tata group recently unveiled its “green” Nano car, a small car funded in large part by government subsidies. And, in 2008, Gore admitted to having a direct financial interest in a number of green investments.


http://www.federalreview.com/2009/06/gore-blames-tyranny-of-financial.htm



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on June 08, 2009, 01:19:02 PM
Yep, their lack of logic astounds me more each day.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on June 08, 2009, 08:26:00 PM
Al Gore is one of the greatest CON MEN of all time, second only to Obama. GREAT fortunes are directly tied to their CON GAME, and General Electric is right in the middle of it. They all need to go to PRISON.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: light2light on June 09, 2009, 08:38:37 PM
Al Gore is one of the greatest CON MEN of all time, second only to Obama. GREAT fortunes are directly tied to their CON GAME, and General Electric is right in the middle of it. They all need to go to PRISON.

You've heard of or seen the movie Con Air starring Nicolas Cage.

How about Con Men starring Gore and Obama?


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on June 09, 2009, 08:59:37 PM
You've heard of or seen the movie Con Air starring Nicolas Cage.

How about Con Men starring Gore and Obama?

A cross between reality TV and a horror show.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Shammu on June 09, 2009, 11:44:36 PM
Yep, their lack of logic astounds me more each day.




Or as Mr. Spock would say, "their logic is flawed".


You've heard of or seen the movie Con Air starring Nicolas Cage.

How about Con Men starring Gore and Obama?

If it was a clean comedy, I'd watch it but, if it is a horror forget it.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: light2light on June 13, 2009, 06:56:22 AM
(http://i39.tinypic.com/2e2pggk.jpg)

Is he out of his Vulcan mind?

 :)


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on June 13, 2009, 09:27:24 AM
lol  ... it might be better if he did have a Vulcan mind.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on June 13, 2009, 03:00:55 PM
 ;D   ;D   ;D

YES, he is alien, and he is out of his mind. AND, we would be better off if he had a Vulcan mind.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: HisDaughter on June 14, 2009, 12:35:18 PM
Former Vice President Al Gore thinks that financial markets are to blame for environmental problems.


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Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on June 21, 2009, 10:27:33 AM
Big chill in Churchill
Winter grips 90 per cent of north, migratory birds can't breed

Winter refuses to go away in northern Manitoba and most of the eastern Arctic, says this article in the Winnipeg Free Press. Here are excerpts:

“Prolonged cold snowy conditions in the Hudson Bay area are expected to obliterate the breeding season for migratory birds and most other species of wildlife this year.

“According to Environment Canada, the spring of 2009 is record-late in the eastern Arctic with virtually 100 per cent snow cover from James Bay north as of June 11.

“May temperatures in northern Manitoba were almost four degrees C below the long-term average of -0.7, and in early June, temperatures averaged three degrees below normal.

“National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration images confirm snow and ice blanket all of northern Manitoba, part of northern Ontario and almost all of the eastern Arctic as of June 12. U.S. arieal flight surveys confirm the eastern Arctic has no sign of spring so far.

“Six-foot snowdrifts blocked Churchill-area roads. A thick blanket of snow, in places three- and four-feet deep, coated 90 per cent of the local taiga in northern Manitoba.

“Researchers confirm that the lateness of the spring of 2009 dooms local birds to a virtually complete reproductive failure.

“Vegetation is also impacted upon by late Arctic springs, with green-up about three weeks late this year. Consequently, herbivorous animals have delayed breeding



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on June 21, 2009, 02:59:06 PM
Call Al Gore and his gang of thieves. They'll try to tax the problem out of existence and have fun spending our money.

NAH! - I think they call that FRAUD, CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY, AND EXTORTION!


Title: Global-warming special nothing but 'speculative drivel'
Post by: nChrist on June 28, 2009, 01:06:59 PM
Global-warming special nothing but 'speculative drivel'
Pete Chagnon - OneNewsNow - 6/5/2009 6:30:00 AM

Marc Morano says the ABC News special Earth 2100 is science fiction at its worst.

Earth 2100 aired this past Tuesday, June 2, and was hosted by ABC's Bob Woodruff. The special took a futuristic worst-case scenario look at civilization in the next 100 years if no action is taken on supposed "manmade" global warming. ABC collaborated with top scientists who believe human-caused carbon emissions are heating up the planet and who presented their take of the future of earth through the use of a graphic novel that follows the trials and tribulations of a girl named Lucy as she witnesses the fall of civilization due to global warming.

In an ABC News interview, Woodruff claims the special is a new way of doing journalism. Morano, however, has a different take on that.

"It is just sad watching this. They tried to turn a bunch of speculative drivel into a news-style program, which was nothing more than just pure science-fiction fantasy," he contends. "And again, to see the ABC News banner, to see someone like Bob Woodruff -- who had served honorably in Iraq when he got injured -- to see him now reduced to this kind of drivel at ABC news is very sad."

Earth 2100 also included futuristic viewer vlogs that supposedly documented a war in New York City, the burning of Los Angles due to wildfires, and frustration over water rationing that leads to bottles of water being sold for extremely high prices. All the scenarios were allegedly the result of public inaction on alleged climate change.

Woodruff concluded the special by stating that all this can be avoided if people take action now.


Title: CO2 bill will cost jobs, raise energy costs
Post by: nChrist on June 28, 2009, 01:09:42 PM
CO2 bill will cost jobs, raise energy costs
Pete Chagnon and Jody Brown - OneNewsNow - 6/5/2009

The spokesman for the Cornwall Alliance for the Stewardship of Creation says the Waxman-Markey bill will have enormous negative impacts if passed.

The Waxman-Markey bill -- described by some as an energy tax in disguise -- recently made it out of the House Energy and Commerce Committee. The bill seeks to tackle the issue of alleged "manmade climate change" by limiting the amount of carbon dioxide emitted by businesses and power plants. Sometimes referred to as "cap-and-trade" legislation, the bill seeks to reduce CO2 emission by 17 percent by the year 2020.

Energy Secretary Steven Chu praises the legislation. "[It] is our best shot of anything I've seen in recent legislative pasts where Congress might get something [passed], and it's got a lot of support in the industry now," he told Reuters.

But Dr. E Calvin Beisner with the Cornwall Alliance disagrees. "It will increase energy costs across the board," he notes. "It will probably lead to the loss of, in an average year between now and 2035, of about 1.1 million jobs."

Beisner also contends that energy costs will increase by about $125 per month per household. And he says the overall cost will be about $9.6 trillion between now and 2035.

According to Beisner, for the past several years there has been no global warming -- and temperatures have been falling faster than they have been predicted to rise in the next 100 years. He also concludes that if the Waxman-Markey bill passes, it will have no significant effect on global temperatures in the next 50 to 100 years.

Beisner is not alone in his concerns about the Waxman-Markey bill. Ben Lieberman, senior policy analyst with The Heritage Foundation, offered his comments at the International Conference on Climate Change this spring. "This is an energy tax in disguise," he stated. "Energy prices go up -- but it's done in such a roundabout and convoluted way that the hope is the public doesn't recognize it as a tax, at least not until it's too late."

The bill must pass through several more committees before it goes before the full House for a final vote.

(My Note:  This garbage bill has sadly now passed the House and is scheduled for the Senate. Hopefully, common sense will kill this garbage. Call your Senators and let them know what you think before it's too late. Realistically, a group of idiots are using things like this to destroy America and turn it into a COMMUNIST COUNTRY. This is a way for our so-called government to control the masses.)


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: HisDaughter on July 09, 2009, 12:49:01 AM
Al Gore on Climate Change and the Nazis
It could have been called the, "Far Left Attack on Personal Freedoms Under The Guise Of Climate Change," however they are calling it the, "Smith School World Forum on Enterprise and the Environment."


Speaking at the conference held in Oxford, England, Al Gore is sounding the alarm. He says he is having a difficult time getting world leaders to put up the money for his climate change, formerly known as global warming; now changed since the globe seems to be cooling, agenda.


He told the audience the world lacked the political will to act and invoked the spirit of Winston Churchill while encouraging leaders to unite to fight climate change.


He said the fight against climate change is similar to the battle against the Nazis.


Sir David King, England's former chief scientist and now director of the Smith School, berated politicians for not following up with massive amounts of money to fund the various schemes of the climate change leaders. He said, "I tried to pull in a lot of IOUs. But where was Lord Mandelson (Business Secretary), where was Ed Miliband (Energy and Climate Change Secretary), where was David Cameron? Where was William Haque?


World leaders are not stepping up with the money Gore and his associates had counted on.


As credible evidence continues to mount that the earth is actually in a cooling trend, that there may well be natural causes for warming trends when they occur and that humans may not be influencing these trends nearly as much as Gore and others have been telling everyone, there has been a political cooling off toward the demands of the so-called "Green" movement. Except in the United States Congress.


The Liberal Lords and Ladies of our own Congress seem so bent on passing the Cap and Trade bill, which is the largest tax increase ever placed on the American public, they are trying to hurry it through Congress before elected officials who may oppose it can even read it, much less study it.


Yes we can.


The Cap and Trade bill---HR 2454 has passed the House. It has not yet passed the Senate.


The Wall Street Journal calls it, "The biggest tax in American history," and the Heritage Foundation says if passed, the bill could cost every American household $3,000 per year.


Even President Obama says electricity bills will "skyrocket".


The folks meeting with Al Gore this week at Oxford have now moved their conversation from measuring carbon emissions from companies and corporations to individuals.
If this bill becomes law it will undermine our personal freedoms in ways that we have never experienced in the history of this country, will cost millions of jobs, bankrupt more businesses and individuals and make Al Gore and his associates even more wealthy.


Human Events has sent out a message from, "The Center for Individual Freedom," that summarizes the catastrophic consequences of this legislation and how it will erode your personal freedoms. And it gives you an opportunity to respond to our elected officials. I suggest you read their message and act.


Perhaps Gore is right.


There are similarities between the encroachment of this legislation on our freedoms and the heavy handed control by the Nazis.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on July 09, 2009, 05:04:10 PM
This legislation is INTOLERABLE, ILLEGAL, UNCONSTITUTIONAL, AND WON'T BE TOLERATED! - PERIOD! - END OF STORY!


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on July 10, 2009, 10:09:35 PM
Gore boasts: 'Global governance' coming with carbon tax
Tells conference U.S. responding to warming threat with 'cap-and-trade'

Former Vice President Al Gore, whose "An Inconvenient Truth" video epistle on the claims of global warming has not weathered recent scientific research, now has promised at a conference in the United Kingdom that the impending virtual energy tax under the U.S. "cap-and-trade" legislation will bring about "global governance."

Gore, who this year famously left his Nashville mansion's driveway brightly illuminated during the "Earth Hour" event that promoted energy savings, was speaking at the Smith School World Forum on Enterprise and the Environment.

He cited the "cap-and-trade" legislation in the U.S. Congress that  by President Obama's own estimate would cause utility bills to skyrocket for American consumers.

Those taxes are good, Gore said.

"But it is the awareness itself that will drive the change, and one of the ways it will drive the change is through global government and global agreements," he said.

Only a few weeks ago, a former NASA climatologist asserted global warming simply isn't happening.

While so-called "global warming" was supposed to bring more and more horrific hurricanes, according to many scientists and politicians, since 2005 only one major hurricane has struck North America.

It was reported at the time that a new study by Florida State University researcher Ryan Maue showed worldwide cyclone activity – typhoons, as well as hurricanes – had reached at least a 30-year low.

And two more studies – one by the Leibniz Institute of Marine Science and the Max Planck Institute of Meteorology in Germany and another by the University of Wisconsin – predict a slowing, or even a reversal of warming, for at least the next 10 to 20 years.

"The most recent global warming that began in 1977 is over, and the Earth has entered a new phase of global cooling," says Don Easterbrook, professor of geology at Western Washington University in Bellingham.

He maintains that a switch in Pacific Ocean currents "assures about three decades of global cooling. New solar data showing unusual absence of sun spots and changes in the sun’s magnetic field suggest ... the present episode of global cooling may be more severe than the cooling of 1945 to 1977."

Climatologist Joe D’Aleo of the International Climate and Environmental Change Assessment Project says new data "show that in five of the last seven decades since World War II, including this one, global temperatures have cooled while carbon dioxide has continued to rise."

Gore told the conference he was bringing "good news" from the U.S.: that President Obama had secured billions of dollars for renewable energy work.

He noted that two week ago, the House of Representatives passed the Waxman-Markey bill, "which for all of its flaws does put a price on carbon."

"It's very much a step in the right direction. It achieves real reductions below the 1990 base level by 2020, and that is the threshold that many have said … will dramatically increase the prospects for success," Gore said.

He said "awareness" will drive the change "through global governance."

Gore also discussed a lack of efficiency in energy processes.

At the Climate Depot website, writers recalled that French President Jacques Chirac in 2000 confirmed that the U.N.'s Kyoto Protocol – to which the U.S. has not subscribed – is "the first component of an authentic global governance."

He said, "For the first time, humanity is instituting a genuine instrument of global governance. From the very earliest age, we should make environmental awareness a major theme of education and a major theme of political debate, until respect for the environment comes to be as fundamental as safeguarding our rights and freedoms. By acting together, by building this unprecedented instrument, the first component of an authentic global governance, we are working for dialogue and peace."

At a later U.N. conference in Bali, Indonesia, Othmar Schwank, who has advocated for global taxes, said wealthly nations like the U.S. need to "contribute significantly more to this global fund."

According to a forum page participant at the London Times Online, Gore's endorsement of such taxes isn't altogether intended to solve problems.

"I've driven by Al's palatial digs in suburban Nashville and it is quite large. He got clowned recently for the size of his power bills and now is mad at the rest of us. He stands to make a mint over the Cap & Trade legislation if passed and signed into law," said one participant.

"We know your Scam Mr. Gore and the Globalists. Make CO2 a pollutant and then turn it into GOLD by trading it on the BOGUS open market for $$$. We know what you and your ilk are up to and we the people will defeat you. Follow the money!" said another.

"Global warming is NOT a problem. Al Gore is a nut. The earth has actually maintained average temperatures since 2001. It amazes me that the EU has drunk the cool aid and is jumping off the cliff with AL like lemmings. I hope the USA does not follow suit," said a third.

WND also reported that a team of scientists with years of expertise in climate issues recently wrote to Congress asserting the "sky is not falling" and there is no evidence man is causing global warming.

The letter was signed by physics professors Robert H. Austin and William Happer of Princeton, environmental sciences professor S. Fred Singer of the University of Virginia, retired manager for strategic planning at ExxonMobil Roger Cohen, physics professor (emeritus) Harold W. Lewis at UC-Santa Barbara and others.

Their names are tied to long lists of initials, including APS, or the American Physical Society; AAAS, or the American Association for the Advancement of Science; and AGU, or the American Geophysical Union.

WND also has reported on the Petition Project, which has compiled the signatures of more than 31,000 scientists, including some 9,000 Ph.D.s, who flatly reject the "global warming" agenda



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on July 10, 2009, 10:10:35 PM
These people are becoming more and more in your face about what their agenda has been all along.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on July 11, 2009, 04:21:30 PM
These people are becoming more and more in your face about what their agenda has been all along.



YES, it's always been about POWER, CONTROL, AND MONEY! A cheap gang of con men and thieves are trying to CONTROL AND ROB THE WORLD!


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on August 28, 2009, 02:43:24 PM
Blank Sun Continues

28 Aug 09 - The face of the sun has looked exactly the same for
the past seven weeks--utterly blank.

The sun remains eerily quiet, says spaceweather.com, with no
sunspots in the offing. "Solar minimum is shaping up to be a big
event indeed."

“According to NOAA sunspot counts, the longest string of blank
suns during the current solar minimum was 52 days back in July,
Aug. and Sept. of 2008. If the current trend continues for only four
more days, the record will shift to 2009.”

“It's likely to happen,” says spaceweather.com.

http://www.spaceweather.com/


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: HisDaughter on August 29, 2009, 02:25:22 PM
encouraging leaders to unite to fight climate change.


The ravings of a madman!  Like ANYONE can fight "climate change"!  Just think WHO he is really trying to fight.  My money is on the other ONE!


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on August 29, 2009, 02:55:48 PM
The ravings of a madman!

and Wash DC is full of them.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on September 03, 2009, 08:48:07 PM
No reason to discount the idea
that we’re heading into another Little Ice Age,
or possibly a major ice age
By Rich Apuzzo, Chief Meteorologist, Skyeye Weather LLC

Out in space the sun remains on a record pace at 51 days without sunspots, and no expectations of any change soon.  We’ll be in thetop 3 longest quiet periods by Wednesday evening (tied with 54 days from 1879) and by late next week we’ll head into the 2nd position as we surpass 63 days from 1901.  The daily solar observations began in 1849, but we know from other observations between 1400 and 1830 that these periods of sunspot minimums were associated with a 400-year stretch known as the Little Ice Age. 

The only problem with observations from that time is that there were no telescopes and satellites with the observational power we have today.  In other words, the long periods without sunspots are even more impressive now because we can pick out the smallest sunspot, ones that would have been missed 100 to 200 years ago.  We won’t know if this is true for a long time, but at this point there is no reason to discount the idea that we’re heading into another Little Ice Age, or possible a major ice age.  Time will tell…



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on September 04, 2009, 03:14:48 PM
 ;D

I was just laughing and wondering if this administration will figure it out that the sun has everything to do with heating and cooling. NAH! - They aren't bright enough. Should we tell them that we also get light from the sun?


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on October 09, 2009, 02:44:21 PM
1.) 30 To 40 Degrees Below Normal - “An unseasonably cold air mass is preparing to invade the northern Plains and Rockies today,” says accuweather.com. “Temperatures will fall through the 20s by the afternoon across much of Montana and Wyoming, as well as the western Dakotas.”  Montana and Wyoming can expect to set “numerous” record lows.

The cold then will push southward into Colorado and Nebraska. The high in Denver on Saturday is expected to be in the mid- 30s, more than 30 degrees below the normal high of 69.

Billings, Montana can expect a high of 22 on Saturday, 40 degrees below normal.

2.) Record Cold Heading for Omaha - Much colder temperatures are on their way for this weekend, along with the possibility of snow tonight!

The most likely area to see snow looks to be across northeast Nebraska. Overnight temperatures are expected to dip into the mid to upper 20s over most areas Saturday night. Saturday and Sunday's highs will only be in the upper 30s to lower 40s.  Record cold maximum temperatures are possible on both days across the area.  Right now, the records are:

               Saturday 10/10    Sunday 10/11

Omaha    41 (1987)              45 (1946)

Lincoln    41 (1987)              47 (1946)

Norfolk    42 (1932)              41 (1909)

3.) Winter So Soon! Single digits possible - Temperatures will remain well below the freezing mark throughout the day in the western Dakotas, Montana and northern Wyoming, which is almost unheard of this early in the season. The northern Plains and Upper Midwest are also readying for the harsh chill.

Overnight lows will drop to the lower teens in places like Billings, Great Falls and Helena, with single digits in the coldest locations.

In addition, 1 to 3 inches of snow is expected from southwestern Alberta to western Nebraska, with up to 6 inches in some areas. Ski resorts of southwestern Montana and northwest Wyoming will get even more.

4.) Record breaking cold and wind chills possible over weekend - A VERY COLD WEATHER SYSTEM WILL MOVE ACROSS WESTERN MONTANA AND NORTH CENTRAL IDAHO THURSDAY EVENING. … SNOW ACCUMULATIONS OF 3 TO 6 INCHES POSSIBLE BY FRIDAY MORNING. FOLLOWED BY STRONG GUSTY NORTHEAST WINDS USHERING A VERY COLD AIR MASS ACROSS THE CONTINENTAL DIVIDE...

RECORD BREAKING COLD AND LOW WIND CHILLS POSSIBLE OVER THE WEEKEND ...STRONG GUSTY NORTHEAST WINDS 15 TO 25 WITH GUSTS TO 35 MPH … LOCAL WIND CHILLS  APPROACHING 10 DEGREES BELOW ZERO.

5.) Hard freeze warning North Dakota – End of the growing season
COLD AIR WILL BRING ANOTHER ROUND OF FREEZING TEMPS TO WESTERN AND CENTRAL NORTH DAKOTA THURSDAY NIGHT. A HARD FREEZE IS POSSIBLE...LOWS IN THE UPPER TEENS TO MID 20S. ANOTHER COLD FRONT ON FRIDAY WILL BRING MORE COLD AIR... LOW TEMPS  EXPECTED TO RANGE FROM THE LOW TO MID TEENS IN THE WEST TO AROUND 20 IN CENTRAL NORTH DAKOTA. THE UNSEASONABLY COLD WEATHER IS EXPECTED TO CONTINUE THROUGH THE WEEKEND.

A HARD FREEZE WILL MEAN THE END OF THE GROWING SEASON FOR
SENSITIVE VEGETATION.

6.) Colorado ski resort boasts earliest opening day in 64 years - Arapahoe Basin announced it would open Friday, the earliest opening in its 64-year history.

Meanwhile, Loveland opened for skiing today, its earliest opening in 40 years and the first ski area in North America to open this season.

7.) Vegas ski resort to open a record seven weeks early - The 2009-2010 season at the Las Vegas Ski & Snowboard Resort is underway, the earliest the resort has ever opened.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on October 09, 2009, 05:11:13 PM
We're in the 40s in SW Oklahoma, and it is unusually early for temperatures this low. It's that GLOBAL WARMING at work again. If Al Gore would just ask some folks with common sense, they would tell him that the SUN definitely has an effect on HOT and COLD. Who would have thought that the SUN might have something to do with temperature? - JUST FOLKS WITH COMMON SENSE!


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on October 09, 2009, 05:20:42 PM
JUST FOLKS WITH COMMON SENSE!

And we've seen that most of our politicians don't have any of that.


Title: To Cut Global Warming, Swedes Study Their Plates
Post by: Shammu on October 26, 2009, 11:45:18 PM
To Cut Global Warming, Swedes Study Their Plates
By ELISABETH ROSENTHAL
October 23, 2009

STOCKHOLM — Shopping for oatmeal, Helena Bergstrom, 37, admitted that she was flummoxed by the label on the blue box reading, “Climate declared: .87 kg CO2 per kg of product.”

“Right now, I don’t know what this means,” said Ms. Bergstrom, a pharmaceutical company employee.

But if a new experiment here succeeds, she and millions of other Swedes will soon find out. New labels listing the carbon dioxide emissions associated with the production of foods, from whole wheat pasta to fast food burgers, are appearing on some grocery items and restaurant menus around the country.

People who live to eat might dismiss this as silly. But changing one’s diet can be as effective in reducing emissions of climate-changing gases as changing the car one drives or doing away with the clothes dryer, scientific experts say.

“We’re the first to do it, and it’s a new way of thinking for us,” said Ulf Bohman, head of the Nutrition Department at the Swedish National Food Administration, which was given the task last year of creating new food guidelines giving equal weight to climate and health. “We’re used to thinking about safety and nutrition as one thing and environmental as another.”

Some of the proposed new dietary guidelines, released over the summer, may seem startling to the uninitiated. They recommend that Swedes favor carrots over cucumbers and tomatoes, for example. (Unlike carrots, the latter two must be grown in heated greenhouses here, consuming energy.)

They are not counseled to eat more fish, despite the health benefits, because Europe’s stocks are depleted.

And somewhat less surprisingly, they are advised to substitute beans or chicken for red meat, in view of the heavy greenhouse gas emissions associated with raising cattle.

“For consumers, it’s hard,” Mr. Bohman acknowledged. “You are getting environmental advice that you have to coordinate with, ‘How can I eat healthier?’ ”

Many Swedish diners say it is just too much to ask. “I wish I could say that the information has made me change what I eat, but it hasn’t,” said Richard Lalander, 27, who was eating a Max hamburger (1.7 kilograms of carbon dioxide emissions) in the shadow of a menu board revealing that a chicken sandwich (0.4 kilograms) would have been better for the planet.

Yet if the new food guidelines were religiously heeded, some experts say, Sweden could cut its emissions from food production by 20 to 50 percent. An estimated 25 percent of the emissions produced by people in industrialized nations can be traced to the food they eat, according to recent research here. And foods vary enormously in the emissions released in their production.

While today’s American or European shoppers may be well versed in checking for nutrients, calories or fat content, they often have little idea of whether eating tomatoes, chicken or rice is good or bad for the climate.

Complicating matters, the emissions impact of, say, a carrot, can vary by a factor of 10, depending how and where it is grown.

Earlier studies of food emissions focused on the high environmental costs of transporting food and raising cattle. But more nuanced research shows that the emissions depend on many factors, including the type of soil used to grow the food and whether a dairy farmer uses local rapeseed or imported soy for cattle feed.

Business groups, farming cooperatives and organic labeling programs as well as the government have gamely come up with coordinated ways to identify food choices.

Max, Sweden’s largest homegrown chain of burger restaurants, now puts emissions calculations next to each item on its menu boards. Lantmannen, Sweden’s largest farming group, has begun placing precise labels on some categories of foods in grocery stores, including chicken, oatmeal, barley and pasta.

Consumers who pay attention may learn that emissions generated by growing the nation’s most popular grain, rice, are two to three times those of little-used barley, for example.

Some producers argue that the new programs are overly complex and threaten profits. The dietary recommendations, which are being circulated for comment not just in Sweden but across the European Union, have been attacked by the Continent’s meat industry, Norwegian salmon farmers and Malaysian palm oil growers, to name a few.

“This is trial and error; we’re still trying to see what works,” Mr. Bohman said.

Next year, KRAV, Scandinavia’s main organic certification program, will start requiring farmers to convert to low-emissions techniques if they want to display its coveted seal on products, meaning that most greenhouse tomatoes can no longer be called organic.

Those standards have stirred some protests. “There are farmers who are happy and farmers who say they are being ruined,” said Johan Cejie, manager of climate issues for KRAV.

For example, he said, farmers with high concentrations of peat soil on their property may no longer be able to grow carrots, since plowing peat releases huge amounts of carbon dioxide; to get the organic label, they may have to switch to feed crops that require no plowing.

Next year KRAV will require hothouses to use biofuels for heating. Dairy farms will have to obtain at least 70 percent of the food for their herds locally; many previously imported cheap soy from Brazil, generating transport emissions and damaging the rain forest as trees were cleared to make way for farmland.

The Swedish effort grew out of a 2005 study by Sweden’s national environmental agency on how personal consumption generates emissions. Researchers found that 25 percent of national per capita emissions — two metric tons per year — was attributable to eating.

The government realized that encouraging a diet that tilted more toward chicken or vegetables and educating farmers on lowering emissions generally could have an enormous impact.

Sweden has been a world leader in finding new ways to reduce emissions. It has vowed to eliminate the use of fossil fuel for electricity by 2020 and cars that run on gasoline by 2030.

To arrive at numbers for their company’s first carbon dioxide labels, scientists at Lantmannen analyzed life cycles of 20 products. These take into account emissions generated by fertilizer, fuel for harvesting machinery, packaging and transport.

They decided to examine one representative product in each category — say, pasta — rather than performing analyses for fusilli versus penne, or one brand versus another. “Every climate declaration is hugely time-intensive,” said Claes Johansson, Lantmannen’s director of sustainability.

A new generation of Swedish business leaders is stepping up to the climate challenge. Richard Bergfors, president of Max, his family’s burger chain, voluntarily hired a consultant to calculate its carbon footprint; 75 percent was created by its meat.

“We decided to be honest and put it all out there and say we’ll do everything we can to reduce,” said Mr. Bergfors, 40. In addition to putting emissions data on the menu, Max eliminated boxes from its children’s meals, installed low-energy LED lights and pays for wind-generated electricity.

Since the emissions counts started appearing on the menu, sales of climate-friendly items have risen 20 percent. Still, plenty of people head to a burger restaurant lusting only for a burger.

Kristian Eriksson, 26, an information technology specialist, looked embarrassed when asked about the burger he was eating at an outdoor table.

“You feel guilty picking red meat,” he said.

To Cut Global Warming, Swedes Study Their Plates  (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/23/world/europe/23degrees.html?_r=2&pagewanted=print)


Title: Re: To Cut Global Warming, Swedes Study Their Plates
Post by: Shammu on October 26, 2009, 11:51:14 PM

As if we don't have enough problems with the food supply, now we have to put up with this FARCE AGAIN!! Not feeling guilty enough for eating sugar? Well, now you can feel doubly guilty!!

1 Timothy 4:1-5 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; 3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. 4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: 5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

I don't have a problem with eating local produce, in fact, I look out for local produce at farmer's markets. What I do have a problem with is the idea that one should feel guilt for their food choices.

If I want to order a steak.......... I'll order a steak, with no ill feelings!!



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on October 27, 2009, 12:34:24 AM
Maybe the earth worshipers should feel guilty about eating anything? After all the majority of what eat either produces more CO2, requires CO2 production to process it or if harvested takes away from that which takes CO2 from the environment.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Shammu on October 27, 2009, 12:46:26 AM
Maybe the earth worshipers should feel guilty about eating anything? After all the majority of what eat either produces more CO2, requires CO2 production to process it or if harvested takes away from that which takes CO2 from the environment.



Lets not forget their own by-products............................... (http://bestsmileys.com/rude/12.gif)



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on October 29, 2009, 03:13:45 PM
One meaningful word has already been used:  FARCE! This is all beyond ridiculous! If global warming is true, some people are more responsible than cows:  Al Gore.

NEWS FLASH:  1 - CO2 is a requirement for life!  2 - Solar cycles of the SUN cause heating and cooling.  3 - At present, we are in a dramatic COOLING CYCLE - NOT HEATING CYCLE!  4 - Man has NO CONTROL or EFFECT in SOLAR cycles of the SUN!  5 - GOD is probably laughing at the vanity of man!


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Shammu on October 30, 2009, 10:36:12 PM
5 - GOD is probably laughing at the vanity of man!

(http://bestsmileys.com/lol/4.gif)
AMEN brother AMEN!!


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on November 02, 2009, 07:49:49 PM
Hot springs found in Norwegian Sea

The world's northernmost underwater hot springs that sustains coral has been found in the chilly waters of the Arctic by Norwegian researchers.

Using a mini-submarine, researchers at the University of Bergen found the underwater hot springs this summer at a depth of 660 yards on the so-called Mohnsryggen north of the Arctic island of Jan Mayen, where Norway maintains a weather station and military presence, reported Aftenposten Thursday.

The researchers were stunned when the mini-sub glided into an underwater forest featuring pinnacles from which streamed water nearly 500 degrees F and saw sea life including shrimp, sea spiders, coral and eel.

"It was like looking into a fantasy world," said Rolf B. Pedersen, who led the international expedition. "Life that can adapt to extreme conditions can have extreme characteristics."


More reasons to laugh at the global warmists.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Shammu on November 02, 2009, 10:52:53 PM

Hmmmmm

Job 38:16 Hast thou entered into the springs of the sea? or hast thou walked in the search of the depth?

Jonah 2:5-6 The waters compassed me about, even to the soul: the depth closed me round about, the weeds were wrapped about my head. 6 I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars was about me for ever: yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption, O LORD my God.

God talks, and man still doesn't listen to God. The proof has been in the Bible for 2,000 years. Even man discovers something new, God has talked about it in the Bible.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on November 03, 2009, 09:33:13 AM
AMAZING! - Great Article! - The Wonders of God's Creation!

I was just thinking about how little we know about God's Majestic Handiwork. It's awe-inspiring and humbling.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on November 03, 2009, 09:42:37 AM
Hmmmmm

Job 38:16 Hast thou entered into the springs of the sea? or hast thou walked in the search of the depth?

Jonah 2:5-6 The waters compassed me about, even to the soul: the depth closed me round about, the weeds were wrapped about my head. 6 I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars was about me for ever: yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption, O LORD my God.

God talks, and man still doesn't listen to God. The proof has been in the Bible for 2,000 years. Even man discovers something new, God has talked about it in the Bible.



Ancient Truth from God's Word that man is just now discovering! I love things like this that humble man, especially those who mock God and His Word. As for me, I love the beauty of God's Truth that He has revealed to us. The day will come when He will reveal much more, and all will be beyond our imagination.

Love In Christ,
Tom

(http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i160/tlr10/mine/mine040.jpg)


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on November 20, 2009, 01:10:18 PM
Hacked e-mails show global-warming fraud?
Top climate-research center confirms authenticity of data posted on Internet

Officials at a key global warming research center in the United Kingdom are authenticating a series of e-mails and other documents apparently taken from their computer system by a hacker but they cannot explain what was meant by references to a "trick" that would "hide the decline," nor their e-mail exchanges instructing the deletion of certain items.

According to the Australian Investigate magazine, it was a 62 MB Zip file including documents, e-mail exchanges and other information from the University of East Anglia's Climate Research Unit that apparently was posted by an unidentified hacker on a Russian web server.

Phil Jones, chief of the center, confirmed to the magazine the documents appeared accurate and authentic.

"It was a hacker. We were aware of this about threee or four days ago that someone had hacked into our system and taken and copied loads of data files and e-mails," he said.

"It's completely illegal for somebody to hack into our system," he told the magazine.

Author James Delingpole noted in a UK Telegraph column the "most damaging revelations … are those concerning the way Warmist scientists may variously have manipulated or suppressed evidence in order to support their cause."

He cited this e-mail with it's possible admission of manipulation, "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) amd (sic) from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline."

And this expressing internal doubts: "The fact is that we can't account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can't. The CERES data published in the August BAMS 09 supplement on 2008 shows there should be even more warming: but the data are surely wrong. Our observing system is inadequate."

Further, there was an exchange suggesting the suppression of information: "Can you delete any e-mails you may have had with Keith re AR4? Keith will do likewise. He’s not in at the moment – minor family crisis."

"And, perhaps most reprehensibly," Delingpole suggested, "a long series of communications discussing how best to squeeze dissenting scientists out of the peer review process. How, in other words, to create a scientific climate in which anyone who disagrees with AGW can be written off as a crank, whose views do not have a scrap of authority."

He cited this e-mail: "This was the danger of always criticizing the skeptics for not publishing in the 'peer-reviewed literature.' Obviously, they found a solution to that – take over a journal! So what do we do about this? I think we have to stop considering 'Climate Research' as a legitimate peer-reviewed journal. Perhaps we should encourage our colleagues in the climate research community to no longer submit to, or cite papers in, this journal. We would also need to consider what we tell or request of our more reasonable colleagues who currently sit on the editorial board…What do others think?"

The fact is despite the politically correct global warming alarmism promoted by a financially vested former vice president Al Gore and others, thousands of scientists are skeptical about the accuracy, level and cause of "global warming."

U.S. Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, even has suggested to members of Congress that they consider the joint opinion of nearly 32,000 scientists, including more than 9,000 Ph.D.s, who agree humans have nothing to do with any "global warming."

Paul was referring to the Petition Project, which actually was launched some 10 years ago when the first few thousand signatures were assembled. Then, between 1999 and 2007, the list of signatures grew gradually without any special effort or campaign.

But in the last few years, and especially because of the release of the movie "An Inconvenient Truth" by Gore, the campaign has been reinvigorated.

"Mr. Gore's movie, asserting a 'consensus' and 'settled science' in agreement about human-caused global warming, conveyed the claims about human-caused global warming to ordinary movie goers and to public school children, to whom the film was widely distributed. Unfortunately, Mr. Gore's movie contains many very serious incorrect claims which no informed, honest scientist could endorse," project spokesman and founder Art Robinson has told WND.

Robinson, a research professor of chemistry, co-founded the Linus Pauling Institute of Science and Medicine with Linus Pauling in 1973, and later co-founded the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine.

Paul cited the petition results in his statement to Congress.

"Our energy policies must be based upon scientific truth – not fictional movies or self-interested international agendas," Paul said. "They should be based upon the accomplishments of technological free enterprise that have provided our modern civilization, including our energy industries. That free enterprise must not be hindered by bogus claims about imaginary disasters."

The petition states:

"There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate. Moreover, there is substantial scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the Earth."

Robinson has warned that there are some very serious ramifications to assuming "global warming" results from mankind's actions and therefore those behaviors all need to be halted.

"The campaign to severely ration hydrocarbon energy technology has now been markedly expanded," he said. "In the course of this campaign, many scientifically invalid claims about impending climate emergencies are being made. Simultaneously, proposed political actions to severely reduce hydrocarbon use now threaten the prosperity of Americans and the very existence of hundreds of millions of people in poorer countries," he told WND.

Warned Paul, "Above all, we must never forget our contract with the American people – the Constitution that provides the sole source of legitimacy of our government. That Constitution requires that we preserve the basic human rights of our people – including the right to freely manufacture, use, and sell energy produced by any means they devise – including nuclear, hydrocarbon, solar, wind, or even bicycle generators.

"While it is evident that the human right to produce and use energy does not extend to activities that actually endanger the climate of the Earth upon which we all depend, bogus claims about climate dangers should not be used as a justification to further limit the American people's freedom," Paul said.

"The world is currently cooling; electorates are increasingly reluctant to support eco-policies leading to more oppressive regulation, higher taxes and higher utility bills; the tide is turning against Al Gore's Anthropogenic Global Warming theory. The so-called 'skeptical' view is now also the majority view," Delingpole said in his commentary.

Investigate magazine quoted Jones denying there was any attempt to mislead or conceal.

"They're talking about proxy data going further back in time, a thousand years, and it's just about how you add on the last few years, because when you get proxy data you sample things like tree rings and ice cores, and they don't always have the last few years," he said.

He said he could not recall what he meant when he wrote about a plan to "hide the decline."

In the e-mail, dated 10 years ago, Jones wrote: "Once Tim's got a diagram here we'll send that either later today or first thing tomorrow. I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) amd [sic] from1961 for Keith's to hide the decline. Mike's series got the annual land and marine values while the other two got April-Sept for NH land N of 20N. The latter two are real for 1999, while the estimate for 1999 for NH combined is +0.44C wrt 61-90. The Global estimate for 1999 with data through Oct is +0.35C cf. 0.57 for 1998. Thanks for the comments, Ray. Cheers, Phil Prof. Phil Jones Climatic Research Unit."

The documents also included a message dated just a few weeks ago from Kevin Trenberth to Michal Mann about the "BBC U-turn on climate."

"Well I have my own article on where the heck is global warming? We are asking that here in Boulder where we have broken records the past two days for the coldest days on record. We had 4 inches of snow. The high the last 2 days was below 30F and the normal is 69F, and it smashed the previous records for these days by 10F. The low was about 18F and also a record low, well below the previous record low. This is January weather (see the Rockies baseball playoff game was canceled on saturday and then played last night in below freezing weather)."


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Shammu on November 24, 2009, 01:36:32 AM


Hmmmmmm, I worked out the math, (yes I was bored) for the sea rising. Do you know that a 3,000 foot volcano underwater will raise the surface of the sea 3 feet. There has been quite a bit of underwater volcano activity in the oceans of the world here of late.

Now with the talk of islands sinking, seems they should be suing the sea, not countries  which have no blame in the rise of the sea. Or better yet, sue the underwater volcanoes which is causing the rise of the ocean waters.


Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on November 24, 2009, 08:11:01 AM
If they thought they could get money from the sea by suing it then I am sure that they would do just that. After all that is what this global warming farce has become ... a way for more money and bigger government.



Title: Re: Global Warming
Post by: nChrist on November 29, 2009, 06:54:58 PM
I'll just say that I'm really enjoying the exposure of the Global Warming scam and con game. It would be wonderful if those like Al Gore are charged with various CRIMES - like FRAUD - obtaining money by false pretenses. Lots of money has already been taken, but maybe the rest of this CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY can be stopped.