the Passion

[creationist]

I just saw “the Passion”. I thought Mell’s Catholicism showed through it.
Everyone called Mary “mother”.
 Did you guys also notice how much strength The Lord Christ got whenever Mary turned up and how calm and composed she was even though her son was been beaten? Makes me feel like saying a few “Hail Marys”
I just wish there was a message. All I got out of it was that He had been beaten severely. But why? And for whom?

I won’t go on (Maybe later), what I really am confused over is; who was that ugly infant (midget) in Satan’s arms when Christ died?

Ah well! At least it’s got people thinking about Christ again. Even atheists are talking.

[Psalm 119]

Creationist,

I'm glad to see someone is having some qualms about The Passion of Christ.

I saw the PAX special on the making of The Passion ,and several things did not set right with me, i.e. Satan in the Garden of Gethsemane (which did not happen, quite the contrary; God sent an angel to minister to Jesus). Also the strong Catholic influence.

So I have been doing a little digging and it's not pretty.

Mel Gibson used several sources to make the movie.

1) Diaries of St. Anne Catherine Emmerich (1774-1824)a "patron saint" of the Catholic Church  who had "visions of Christ's death and Satan (that's where the part about Satan in the movie was adapted). Emmerich was a German Catholic nun, mystic, and a stigmatist ( she claimed to carry around Christ's wounds in her hands and feet) The movie was primarily based on her book, "The Dolorous Passion of Our Lord Jeseus Christ"

2) "The Mystical City of God" by St. Mary Agreda (mystical city given to denote "The blessed virgin Mary")(also the "sacred heart")

3) The New Testament Gospel accounts ( Matthew, Mark, Luke, John)

Also during my research, I did a little checking on some of the cast members of The Passion (I'm not finished yet) This is the startling information that I have found so far.

Monica Bellucci (Mary Magdalene) played a topless vampire in Bran Stoke's "Dracula" in 2000, she has also played in the Matrix series (very vile) Other information about Monica include nude pictures on the internet (which I couldn't get due to the block on my server)

Rosalinda Celentano (Satan) played in an Italian Movie entitled: Poco piu' di un annofa (2003) in english it is called "Tale of a gay porn star", aka as "Diary of a male porn star"

Claudia Gerini (Claudia) played in a movie "Don't Move" (non ti muovere) which is pornographic. She also played a lesbian rock star in the movie La Vespa E La Regina (2000)

Why has no shepherd of the flock of Jesus Christ done any research on The Passion and it's cast members? Has Satan come as an angel of light to blind the masses? Can Catholicism and Christianity mix?

Yes, some may come to the knowledge of Christ in spite of the overt Catholic theme, and the porno stars. However, knowning what I know now, there is no way I will be participating.

Psalm 119

[Symphony]

Thank you, Psalm, creationist.

I think it's like any other tool by which the Gospel can come to man--perhaps like the Catholic church itself--a mixed bag.  Something pure in the hands of the impure.

Jesus has every kind of debauchery or human indulgence in his earthly lineage; not very savory.  


I haven't seen it yet.  There's a separate thread here, under Movies, that's been running for some months.

[creationist]

These are comments that others have made on a Christian site.(The Peter they are refering to is me)






Absolutely Peter. Imagine a movie with no plot or story development, no character development, full of 'R' rated violence becoming a box office hit.
And who goes to see it? Talk about 'check your brain at the door'. How embarrassing.
And at the fourth station, Jesus says to mary’ “See Mother, I make all things new.” I'm thinking ya right, unsaved people are going to see that. 2000 years later, things are new alright.
I think it is a cloud without water.



Good observations Peter- I hope everyone that sees, or has seen, this movie does so with a critical eye. It's certainlly not unlike Satan to attempt to use "something that seems good" to actually hurt, divide, or destroy.
I cant help but be reminded that it was Satan's minor twist on Scripture that he presented to Jesus, attemting to cause Jesus to fall or sin.
Too, the fall of man came by a simple "did" that he added to God's word.
Each one of us ought to be aware of this whenever anything seems really good, but strays from the exact Word of God. It's not to say that there wont be some good done, but we cant "thank the movie" or "glorify mel gibson". Anyone drawn to God is by the hand of God alone!

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If you know very much about Catholicism that is what it was all the way through. It had most of the Stations of the Cross, including Veronica getting the image of Jesus' face on the cloth. (Look closely at the cloth as it dangles from her hand at the end of the seen.)

[Psalm 119]

Here is a good commentary by Steve Camp (Christian singer and song writer) who has watched The Passion three times. He delves into the Catholicism.

When you click on the link, you then have to go to the left column and click on "The Mass" appeal of "The Passion"

http://www.stevecamp.org/page.php?page=template1.php&pageid=980fa0a91de3dfc9f21d907221ad23ee

Psalm 119

[tqpix]

Thanks for the link, Psalm 119!  

In the link, this was asked:

Where was His death prophesied in the Old Testament...

Can someone answer this, please?  Thank you in advance.

[Tibby]

I believe the verses where in Isaiah.

Mary WAS called Mother by the Earth Church, James especially. It was a name of respect.

I think the infant was just put there to make Satan look creepy. I’ve heard some silly theories like “It’s the anti-Christ.” I think it was just an other Demon.

You didn’t have to do much “digging” to find out about Mel Gibson used the writings of Anne Catherine Emmerich. I though to was common knowledge. I’ll be don’t my own research about the rest of what you said. You do realize no one would be looking into it all if Mel Gibson was Baptist.

[JudgeNot]

You do realize no one would be looking into it all if Mel Gibson was Baptist.  

If Mel were a Baptist at least half the movie would have centered on the Resurrection.
 

[Psalm 119]

Thanks for the link, Psalm 119!  

In the link, this was asked:

Where was His death prophesied in the Old Testament...

Can someone answer this, please?  Thank you in advance.

The prophecy of Jesus is found in Isaiah chapters 52-53. There are many more Old Testament references to Jesus. Actually the Isaiah prophecies were made c. 700 years prior to Christ's birth.

Last night I did find out that another cast member has been involved in pornographic movies (this now makes 4). Sergio Rubini who played Dismas in the Passion, also played in a dark comedy (demonic) called Soul Mate in 2002, he also played in Amnesia (2002) that has a pornography and sodomy theme.These are both Italian films.

Mel Gibson wanted to use "unknowns" in the Passion. Well they are becoming known and it's not pretty. Of course, this is just a movie, right! And to most, character doesn't matter.

If one believes that you can be Catholic and Christian, this movie will not offend you. If you believe it's ok to take away and add to the Scriptures (in violation of Rev. 22:18-19) then this film will not offend you.

Personally, I believe Satan is laughing.....He has come as an angel of light . He has distorted the gospel (with the images of Satan, children turning into demons etc)  and many professing Christians are willing to accept these inacurracies in order to "promote the gospel".

I do hope and pray in spite of the Catholicism and Demonology, contained in The Passion, that there will be those who will realize the penalty Christ paid on the cross for our sins. I pray they will repent and believe in the true gospel of Jesus Christ.

Psalm 119

[creationist]

 Someone from another forum pointed this out.


Mary’s’ words at the cross were “bone of my bone, heart of my heart, let me die with you.” Sounds like co-redeemer to me. But think of it in the context of the garden of Eden. Adam uses similar words about Eve, and then takes the fruit from her hand and eats it in order that he will die with her. Now this 'mary' the 'mother of god', wants to be wife of her son which the whole basis of Isis and Osiris of Egypt.
Pretty sick stuff.

[tqpix]

Thanks for the link, Psalm 119!  

In the link, this was asked:

Where was His death prophesied in the Old Testament...

Can someone answer this, please?  Thank you in advance.

The prophecy of Jesus is found in Isaiah chapters 52-53. There are many more Old Testament references to Jesus.

Psalm 119

Thanks for your reply, Psalm 119!  

I know about Isaiah 53, so I was actually looking for passages outside of the book of Isaiah.  I originally thought that chapter only gave a description of Jesus, but I read it again earlier this morning, and it did prophecize about his crucifixion.

[Tibby]

Someone from another forum pointed this out.


Mary’s’ words at the cross were “bone of my bone, heart of my heart, let me die with you.” Sounds like co-redeemer to me. But think of it in the context of the garden of Eden. Adam uses similar words about Eve, and then takes the fruit from her hand and eats it in order that he will die with her. Now this 'mary' the 'mother of god', wants to be wife of her son which the whole basis of Isis and Osiris of Egypt.
Pretty sick stuff.

Yeah, that has to be the sickest thing I've heard all week. Maybe you should get some help.

Preferably not from a Freudian.


Judgenot- Good point, and Jesus would have turned to the camera and lead the theater in the sinner’s prayer.  

[Symphony]

If Mel were a Baptist at least half the movie would have centered on the Resurrection.
 


No, JudgeNot.

If Mel were a Baptist, he would still be arguing over who's going to bring the potato salad.

   

[JudgeNot]

No, JudgeNot.

If Mel were a Baptist, he would still be arguing over who's going to bring the potato salad.

Don't forget the fried chicken!!! Mmmmmm!  

[creationist]

Did you also notice the cups hanging of Christ’s and the thieves crosses? What do you suppose that symbolised?