Hello Left Coast,
I was out of town on the business of giving away all that I own so I can be free to follow the Lord. I'm afraid my friends will try to lock me up because of it so I didn't really mention the Lord. It's about the Lord, but it's also about I'm tired of dragging all that stuff around. The first time I moved I gave up everything because I get so tired of people being slaves to their stuff. They're slaves to getting stuff and keeping stuff. I promised myself I would never again collect stuff. Five years later I have amassed massive amounts of stuff again. I'm trying to get rid of it. Sadly, it's in another state so I didn't have time to sell it, my job is here and I took off two days to go take care of it. Instead, I gave it away in hopes and massive prayers that some good use will be put to it. Now I'm exhausted.
Hi Candice
Before I was ever married, I used to move a lot. One of the benefits of moving a lot is getting rid of stuff. I know what you are talking about.
It’s been over 20 years since I was able to dump things by moving. I have quite a collection.
I don’t find I am so attached to anything that it interferes with following the Lord.
My parents both died about 10 years ago, I ended up with a significant amount of their stuff on top of my own.
My mother was a very talented glass artist, I inherited some nice pieces of art. I have 4 children, they are not really children anymore, 10 years ago they were.
Glass + Children = Broken glass. Whenever something got broken I did find myself wondering why it hurt so much. It was just a material thing, but with memories attached.
If your possessions get in the way of your relationship with Christ then I can see the advantage of eliminating them.
Anyway, I'm not claiming to be an expert on Greek. I'm just claiming to know that some translations can be laughable if they are translated word per word. Especially when the concept that develops out of the translation is laughable. And even more especially when there's something to be gained by the mis-translation--then it's not so much laughable as much as possibly evil.
While it is true that the translations can have errors, I don’t believe it was done because of evil intent.
We have an imperfect understanding of Gods word. The translators do the best they can, but there will be errors in translation.
1 Corinthians 13:9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
As others look at the translations they often work to correct the errors, more often than not I think they screw it up more.
As more and more people try to attack the KJV I have found it holds up very well. It was the first bible to be available to the masses, thanks to the printing press.
The Gutenberg bible was the first bible to be printed on the printing press, but it cost the equivalent of 3 years wages for the common man.
I believe God was very much involved with the printing of the KJV because it would become so readily available to the masses.
Scholars, with good and faithful hearts, have looked at these verses concerning the roles of women. They come to the same conclusion, the translation is accurate and faithful to the manuscripts.
Earlier when I showed how sabbatwn was mistranslated (reply 36) I did not come to that conclusion on my own. I learned it from the work of scholars, that studied this in great depth. Fortunately we have the tools to check out their conclusion.
I'll just go with laughable. If a person just went with the translation the way those scriptures translate then it would be boiled down to women must trust in men. The Bible tells us that Wicked are those who trust in men.
Why do you hate men so much?
Where do you find this?
We are not to trust in the wisdom of
man, we are to trust in God. This means man, as in men AND women. There are plenty of Jezebels out there.
Many trust in the works of scientists, male AND female, instead of trusting in the word of God.
Also, how can you explain the female prophets and the female judges of old if it was against God's will for women to teach. And how do you explain away the female leaders of churches in Paul's day?
We were talking about those verses relating to the woman’s roll in the
church. When people are assembled together to hear the word of God.
Women do have the responsibility to teach the children and the older women are to teach the younger women.
Titus 2:3 The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;
Titus 2:4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,
You seem to want to teach women to hate men.
And then when you come to think about it, there are so many interpretations of what "church" actually is. But if the "church" is the body of Christ, like I believe it to be, then the interpretation of those scriptures is saying that women can't be leaders in the body of Christ and women can't be teachers in the body of Christ. That's laughable. Hence, there is evidence that the interpretation is correct EVEN if it is word per word interpretation, the concept is incorrect based on the rest of the Bible.
There are two churches.
Where we assemble together on this earth it is a church. These assemblies are made up of believers and nonbelievers. 1 Timothy and 1 Corinthians 14 is talking about these assemblies. God gives us the guidelines to follow.
I believe that one of the signs we are close to the end is shown by how few churches follow Gods guidelines. Today we not only have divorced, gay, and never married men running the churches. We have women and even lesbian ministers.
The other church is Gods divine church. It is made up of all true believers. As you correctly noted it is the body of Christ.
The true believers are defined as being the bride of Christ.
Revelation 21:9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb’s wife.
In Gods Spiritual Church ALL believers both male and female are considered to be the wife.
So now we take on the spiritual roll of the woman, are you going to tell Jesus, your husband, what to do?
I will happily learn from God in silence, asking my husband (Jesus) in private.
I really don't want to argue. I'm just happy to be able to fellowship with fellow beleivers. I feel utterly sick because I had to spend a whole weekend with folks that don't value the things that I value and feel that my ideas are unaceptable. At least among Christians we can expect the confession that things should be a certain way. Even if us Christians don't live up to our ideals, at least we have ideals. I had to sit and listen to someone tell me that humans are animals and they will follow their animal desires and all that stupid stuff. I can only take so much of it and that's when I'm glad to be back in the Christian chat room where we argue about petty things--at least they seem to be because the important thing is that Christ died for our sins and we agree on that.
Peace.
I agree, Christ died to pay for my sins.
We have strayed off topic a lot. It does belong in the thread started by His_child. Unfortunately I really will be limited in what I can contribute to the forums, and did not want to get on another thread.
I felt I needed to reply to you because I am concerned about your attitude toward men. I see a lot of animosity in your words.
Some would think I would have grounds to be angry toward women, but I take responsibility for my choices.
As I look back on my life I find that many of the women I came closest to had the same dysfunction.
There were many wonderful women but for some reason I didn’t stay with them. I am a rescuer, and it has gotten me women with problems.
Now I am divorced, and yet by Gods word still attached. I no longer date, as my wife still lives. Knowing my choices, I hope she lives a long time.
John
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