Why don't we call for the president to stop killing IRAQI babies?

[Brother Love]

Why are we Christians not calling for President Bush to stop the killing of Iraqi babies?

 What a huge pile of Hyperbole! How disingenuous does it get folks?

Thou Shall Not Murder is the correct translation my friends.

 Included among the Ten Commandments was the simple command "You shall not murder." This command did not prohibit all killing, but only certain kinds of killing. Under normal circumstances, capital punishment and killing during warfare were not considered murder. Capital punishment was a part of the covenant itself (Exodus 21:12–17).

 Why don't you ask God why He killed all those babies in Egypt? Also, ask God why He killed every living soul, including babies in Sodom & Gomorra?

 In Deuteronomy 20, God gave laws regulating warfare. Offers of surrender, plundering and enslavement of the enemy's females and children are all regulated in chapter 20. Deu 20:16 But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee [for] an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth:  

 My friends, if you hate Bush for fighting against terrorism, you must realy hate God for being so thoroughly brutal huh?

Deuteronomy 20 plainly says that some of Israel's future wars would take them far from their borders. So the warfare anticipated in the chapter was not even limited to defensive warfare fought only in their own territory. Nor was it limited to the occupation of the Promised Land. It involved the destruction of cities and the enslavement of women and children far from the land of Israel.

 These insurgents are sworn enemies of Israel my friends. We know what God does to such as these.

 No sane person wants to see any innocent people get killed in war, especially babies. The U.S. take great care not to hit innocent people. Don't you know that the U.S. military could easily wipe of the entire country without any regard to innocent life? War is nasty business, and a fact of life which can not be avoided. Would you have our enemies attack us without fear of reprisal?

 Look how long the negotiations took place in regard to Falluja. They didn't rush in and wipe everyone out did they? They gave the insurgents many opportunities to surrender their weapons and go home - they offered them amnesty! It was only after months of failed negotiations that the army has finally moved in to secure the city.

Bronzesnake

Right On!!!

 

GOD INVITES YOU TO TRUST HIS SON AND BE SAVED!

Don’t Delay – No Time to Lose!

II Corinthians 6:2 – "For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succored thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation."

You are privileged to live in a dispensation where God is administering His grace! Accept His free offer by faith (in His Son) today. After you leave this life it will be too late.

[BFWard]

" I know this is a difficult time for my supporters, but I ask them, all of you, to join me in doing that. Now, more than ever, with our soldiers in harm's way, we must stand together and succeed in Iraq and win the war on terror."
John Kerry 11/03/04

[Brother Love]

murder is murder is murder.
invading another country without provoked attack and slaughtering innocents by the tens or hundreds of thousands is against the teachings of Christ.

Your response is blatantly ignorant and typical of what Christianity has become to many today:, a way of justifying the legislation of moral principles, despite the grossly apparent hypocrisy inherent to them. NO abortion but YES to the CONDONING THROUGH SUPPORT of the killing of people in a country who never attacked us, including women and children?

the government conducts war KNOWINGLY accepting civilian casualties from the outset. bombs and weapons are built with your tax money that will kill everything for hundreds of miles around. most recently, all "military aged men" from 18 to 34 were prevented from leaving fallujah prior to the tens of thousands-strong invasion by the US and UK. these men needed no prior evidence of insurgent involvement. we just "had to be sure."

THESE ARE NOT THE TEACHINGS OF CHRIST.
the "moral majority" of pat robertson, and now the bush dynasty, has wrestled the word of Jesus away from Jesus in order to justify hatred and murder.

I couldn't have said it better, my friend!

WOW!!!! LOL


 

GOD INVITES YOU TO TRUST HIS SON AND BE SAVED!

Don’t Delay – No Time to Lose!

II Corinthians 6:2 – "For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succored thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation."

You are privileged to live in a dispensation where God is administering His grace! Accept His free offer by faith (in His Son) today. After you leave this life it will be too late.

[Brother Love]

does the word of God detail the "rules of war" when the war itself is fought for political and monetary gain?

iraq did not attack us.

100,000 civilians have died as a result of this war.

more people have died at the hands of "Christian" crusades than of all other wars combined.

is this the "culture of life" that bush speaks of?
a culture that builds nuclear bombs and threatens to kill other people who do the same?
a culture where the death penalty is still used on children, leaving us one of the only countries on earth to still use this practice?
a culture where profits are made from the manufacture of weapons of death?

wake up. please. Jesus would not condone this.

 

GOD INVITES YOU TO TRUST HIS SON AND BE SAVED!

Don’t Delay – No Time to Lose!

II Corinthians 6:2 – "For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succored thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation."

You are privileged to live in a dispensation where God is administering His grace! Accept His free offer by faith (in His Son) today. After you leave this life it will be too late.

[keanon]

Saddam and the insurgents are sworn enemies of the Jews.
The Bible is clear as to how God deals with these peoples.

 
Where is your condemnation of Islamist terrorism?

Bronzesnake

Saddam and the Baathist party were very notably secular socialists. The major middle-eastern conflict with the Jews now has little to do with religious difference and much to do with the fact that the Christian powers created Israel in the Arab homeland of Palestine, and now uses American money and equipment to kill women and children fighting for a return to their homes as they try to prevent starvation and disease.

Terrorism is a product of oppression and violence. Most terrorist recruiting happens in response to people who have lost loved ones to an oppressor (such as the US in Iraq today,) seeking vengeance. The IRA are of the Judeo-Christian faith and are the longest running terrorist organization in the world. This has nothing to do with their faith (talk about one-sided and closed minded...not everything in this world happens because of the human-created notion of vengeful, omnipotent beings...) and a lot to do with the fact that the British government has occupied their homeland forcefully for a LONG time.

I am trying to point out here that THE CONDONING OF DEATH OF INNOCENTS is in direct opposition to the heart of the Christ.
Why will no one acknowledge or counter this argument? How can a weak translation of "thou shalt not murder" justify the killing of hordes and hordes of innocents in the name of an all-loving being who asks us to "turn the other cheek" when we are struck?

This major dilemma is at the core of what is wrong with the world today. There will indeed be a day of reckoning, and I'm hoping for your sake that the Lord is as forgiving as the Bible tells us. A majority of the voting public selected a president who is fighting a war for power and profit because they appealed to a very narrow minded, hateful, and skewed version of Christianity which lacks tolerance and celebrates holocaust-scale murder.

I feel sorry for you.

[Brother Love]

Saddam and the insurgents are sworn enemies of the Jews.
The Bible is clear as to how God deals with these peoples.

  You can not be taken serious when you come to a Christian forum and slam Christians, using disingenuous, one sided arguments such as... more people have died at the hands of "Christian" crusades than of all other wars combined. That is just plain foolish. I don't know if you are lying or just seriously misinformed.
 Where is your condemnation of Islamist terrorism?

 Bronzesnake
 

 


Amen!!!


 
GOD INVITES YOU TO TRUST HIS SON AND BE SAVED!

Don’t Delay – No Time to Lose!

II Corinthians 6:2 – "For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succored thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation."

You are privileged to live in a dispensation where God is administering His grace! Accept His free offer by faith (in His Son) today. After you leave this life it will be too late.

[Brother Love]

The crusades
The Spanish Inquisition
The Reformation
The witch trials
The Holocaust

All that death and more iin the name of Christ.

It would perhaps be unacceptable in some circles to point out the fact that in many European countries, religion plays an even smaller role in people's lives than it does in America - yet levels of violence are lower than here. Were a lack of religion any sort of cause of violence, then we would find higher amounts of violence in countries like Germany rather than Ireland, where both religion and violence have been prominent in daily life.

Facts like this must lead any rational person to treat claim of religion as a solution to our ills - real or perceived - with real skepticism. Religion has in fact done even more to promote base inhumanity when it has become wedded to ruling political powers. It has been a common pattern throughout human history that wherever religious dogmas have gained worldly power, violence was abetted rather than stopped. Even if a person were to successfully argue that none of the violence was caused by religion, the fact would remain that religion not only failed to stop it, but has actually served as a useful tool for those perpetuating it.

Is Christianity only a religion of Peace and Love? I do not think that anyone can honestly and objectively examine American or European history and answer "yes" to that question. Christianity can encourage Peace and Love - but it certainly need not, and it quite often has done just the opposite. Although the people responsible for violence might have found a way to express their hatred without Christianity, it cannot be ignored that Christianity offers a convenient divine mandate for hatred and violent acts against a wide range of people.

 

GOD INVITES YOU TO TRUST HIS SON AND BE SAVED!

Don’t Delay – No Time to Lose!

II Corinthians 6:2 – "For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succored thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation."

You are privileged to live in a dispensation where God is administering His grace! Accept His free offer by faith (in His Son) today. After you leave this life it will be too late.

[BFWard]

So what is being stated is that there is an excuse for Terrorism?  That Terrorism is legitimate?  The Church bombings in Iraq are cool?  What is it you are saying?

[Brother Love]

" I know this is a difficult time for my supporters, but I ask them, all of you, to join me in doing that. Now, more than ever, with our soldiers in harm's way, we must stand together and succeed in Iraq and win the war on terror."
John Kerry 11/03/04

I agree


 
GOD INVITES YOU TO TRUST HIS SON AND BE SAVED!

Don’t Delay – No Time to Lose!

II Corinthians 6:2 – "For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succored thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation."

You are privileged to live in a dispensation where God is administering His grace! Accept His free offer by faith (in His Son) today. After you leave this life it will be too late.

[darwinatridge]

Why don't we just say here, let's hold God accountable here for the killings that are going on in Iraq. Because that seems to be what is being implied here. I myself don't like the fact that innocent people are dying in Iraq. And I definitely want to see our young men and women come home sooner than later. If these foreign fighters that are coming into the country really want peace then why don't they just go home and let the nation of Iraq begin the process of rebuilding its nation. The reason that so many women and children are dying is because these cowards are using them as shields and placing their weapons in hospitals and schools. Tell me, would we allow the military to do this in America. My prayer is that God will watch over the people of Iraq and deal with the criminal element that is trying to destroy any chance for Iraq to come out of this mess as a free democracy.

[keanon]

" I know this is a difficult time for my supporters, but I ask them, all of you, to join me in doing that. Now, more than ever, with our soldiers in harm's way, we must stand together and succeed in Iraq and win the war on terror."
John Kerry 11/03/04

I am not here as a supporter of the other side of a two-devil-headed coin in a Democratic politician.
I am here to raise a question the minds of the unwaveringly faithful that maybe their agenda is being dictated to them from the wrong sources...from the mouths of rich politicians with self-interest in mind and not from the love of the son of God.
The neo-conservative hijacking of politics as morality has forced many great men into compromise, including Kerry and others, given that our nation is predominantly Christian in its makeup. This saddens me...greatly.

This war has been called unjustified and a "war crime" by the most intelligent and compassionate men on the planet including the head of the U.N., Stephen Hawking, the Dalai Lama, and the Pope himself. Please look at what is going on and question yourselves, if not just for one minute.

[Brother Love]

Saddam and the insurgents are sworn enemies of the Jews.
The Bible is clear as to how God deals with these peoples.

 
Where is your condemnation of Islamist terrorism?

Bronzesnake

Saddam and the Baathist party were very notably secular socialists. The major middle-eastern conflict with the Jews now has little to do with religious difference and much to do with the fact that the Christian powers created Israel in the Arab homeland of Palestine, and now uses American money and equipment to kill women and children fighting for a return to their homes as they try to prevent starvation and disease.

Terrorism is a product of oppression and violence. Most terrorist recruiting happens in response to people who have lost loved ones to an oppressor (such as the US in Iraq today,) seeking vengeance. The IRA are of the Judeo-Christian faith and are the longest running terrorist organization in the world. This has nothing to do with their faith (talk about one-sided and closed minded...not everything in this world happens because of the human-created notion of vengeful, omnipotent beings...) and a lot to do with the fact that the British government has occupied their homeland forcefully for a LONG time.

I am trying to point out here that THE CONDONING OF DEATH OF INNOCENTS is in direct opposition to the heart of the Christ.
Why will no one acknowledge or counter this argument? How can a weak translation of "thou shalt not murder" justify the killing of hordes and hordes of innocents in the name of an all-loving being who asks us to "turn the other cheek" when we are struck?

This major dilemma is at the core of what is wrong with the world today. There will indeed be a day of reckoning, and I'm hoping for your sake that the Lord is as forgiving as the Bible tells us. A majority of the voting public selected a president who is fighting a war for power and profit because they appealed to a very narrow minded, hateful, and skewed version of Christianity which lacks tolerance and celebrates holocaust-scale murder.

I feel sorry for you.

 

GOD INVITES YOU TO TRUST HIS SON AND BE SAVED!

Don’t Delay – No Time to Lose!

II Corinthians 6:2 – "For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succored thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation."

You are privileged to live in a dispensation where God is administering His grace! Accept His free offer by faith (in His Son) today. After you leave this life it will be too late.

[Bronzesnake]

The crusades
The Spanish Inquisition
The Reformation
The witch trials
The Holocaust

All that death and more iin the name of Christ.

 The Holocaust was in the name of Christ???

Here's some "non religious" death hogs, you may not have heard of. I'll only list a few of them, as this web site isn't big enough to add them all...

 Stalin

 Hitler

 Pol Pot

 Idi Amin

 Mussolini

 Mao Zedong

 Muammar al-Qaddafi

 Kim Jong Il

 Bashar al-Assad

 Robert Mugabe

 Augusto Pinochet

 Should I list all the Caesars? How about the Mongols? or the Islamists?

 Bronzesnake

[xjesusrocksx]

Saddam and the insurgents are sworn enemies of the Jews.
The Bible is clear as to how God deals with these peoples.

 Bronzesnake
 

Bronzsnake:

You are ABSOLUTELY right.  We are told that GOD is will deal with the enemies of the Jews.  So why aren't you calling on President Bush to leave the Iraqi people alone so that GOD may deal with them and not the United States Army?  

The United States Army is not an army of God, they are not a Christian Army.  That army is not sworn to uphold the laws of God or the bible, or fight for the laws of God or the bible.  They are not sworn to defend the jews.  They are not sworn to defend the holy land in Israel.  They are sworn to defend the United States of America.

Why do you not tell the President to get the American troops out of Iraq and let "GOD deal with these peoples?"

[Brother Love]

Why don't we just say here, let's hold God accountable here for the killings that are going on in Iraq. Because that seems to be what is being implied here. I myself don't like the fact that innocent people are dying in Iraq. And I definitely want to see our young men and women come home sooner than later. If these foreign fighters that are coming into the country really want peace then why don't they just go home and let the nation of Iraq begin the process of rebuilding its nation. The reason that so many women and children are dying is because these cowards are using them as shields and placing their weapons in hospitals and schools. Tell me, would we allow the military to do this in America. My prayer is that God will watch over the people of Iraq and deal with the criminal element that is trying to destroy any chance for Iraq to come out of this mess as a free democracy.

Good


 

GOD INVITES YOU TO TRUST HIS SON AND BE SAVED!

Don’t Delay – No Time to Lose!

II Corinthians 6:2 – "For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succored thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation."

You are privileged to live in a dispensation where God is administering His grace! Accept His free offer by faith (in His Son) today. After you leave this life it will be too late.