European Union

[VNB]

Hello by the way.  

[sunodino]

Obviously, I believe that the ten (are they heads or horns) in the book of Revelation are ten European Union countries that will unite under the AntiChrist.

Might I enquire which ten of the fifteen existing or future member states you are refering to?

As to the 'Christian heritage'  might I ask why you feel that they should mention religion at all in what is after all a political institution? The heritage of Europe is one of division and often warfare, often fueled by (or in many cases caused by) religious difference. Remember, most of the development of the different strands of Christianity was fought out in Europe.

Please remember that the EU is expanding and will soon include non Christian nations such as Turkey as well as only nominally Christian countries such as the UK.

There used to be an expression (do you have it in the US?) "Never talk about religion or politics (at the dinner table)" There is a well established belief in much of the EU that you should not "mix religion and politics".

Yes we have that expression in the US.  But this is a Christian web and religion is not what we believe in, it is LIfe, in Christ.  We expect a secular government one day, pretending to represent religion as well.

By the way,
The ten are not from the EU. Acts chapter 2 tells you who they are.  Everything to do with Bible prophecy and the 7 heads and ten horns is revealed in the Bible.  Western Europe is not where it is at, though everyone seems to be on that page.  Eastern leg of the Roman Empire, take a look at that.

Welcome VNB. Jump right in!

[Corpus]

This just gets more interesting...

Europarliament Rejects Reference to "Judeo-Christian" Roots
British Conservatives Join Opposition to Proposal

STRASBOURG, France, SEPT. 25, 2003 (Zenit.org).- The European Parliament's plenary assembly rejected any reference to the continent's "Judeo-Christian" roots in the draft text of the European Constitution.

The proposal was rejected Wednesday by a vote of 283 to 211. The vote sought to clarify Parliament's position in view of next week's intergovernmental conference in Rome that will approve the draft of the Constitution.

The proposal in Parliament was presented by the European Popular Party (EPP), which called for a "particular reference" in the text to the "Judeo-Christian" roots of Europe, without proposing a specific formulation of the request.

Another amendment presented by the European Union of Nations (EUN), which called for the "express recognition of the legacy of Christianity inscribed in the history and cultural identity of Europe," met with the same result.

Although the EPP has a majority in the European Parliament, it did not obtain the consensus of the majority. It had the support of the EUN, but even within the EPP, members such as the British Conservatives and others, did not support it.

Those voting against the proposal included the European Socialist Party and other minority groups, as well as 30 independent deputies.

"We knew that these were the numbers, but we could not exempt ourselves from the responsibility to present forcefully the position in which we firmly believe," EPP spokeswoman Katrin Ruhrmann said.

EPP President Hans-Gert Pöttering lamented the rejection of the amendment, but explained that the preamble of the draft Constitution presented by the European Convention makes reference to the continent's religious patrimony. And Article 51 of the draft recognizes the status of churches and communities which share a common faith, he said.

Ruhrmann said that the last word now rests with the governments of the European Union. "If they wish, they have the possibility to modify the draft Constitution in the sense we desire," she said.
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[Mr. 5020]

Anti-christ's kingdom I tell you!!!!!!

[Reba]

Again i ask  'What scriptures tell us there is a antichrist king?'

[Mr. 5020]

Again i ask  'What scriptures tell us there is a antichrist king?'

"Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time."  (1 John 2:18, Empasis mine)

"And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world."  (1 John 4:3, Emphasis mine)

"And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain, and blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds."  (Revelation 16:10-11, Emphasis mine)

[Reba]

And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain, and blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds."  (Revelation 16:10-11, Emphasis mine)




I do not see antichrist in that scripture do you?

[Forrest]

Can we say the "Antichrist's kingdom"?

What scripture tells us of an king  antichrist?

What scripture tells us of an antichrist with a kingdom?

1JN 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1JN 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1JN 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2JN 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist

[Reba]

Can we say the "Antichrist's kingdom"?

What scripture tells us of an king  antichrist?

What scripture tells us of an antichrist with a kingdom?

1JN 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1JN 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1JN 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2JN 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist

Yup there they are , and not a kingdom in the crowd. Thanks

[Saved_4ever]

Let's see now shall we.  Anti-Christ would be against Christ would it not?  So then, the supreme of all anti-christs would be who Reba?  Are your horse blinders on that tight?

[Reba]

Saved,


Why is it OK for some folks to change or add to  the WORD? Why not read and see what is written? Why not say beast  when the scripture says beast?  Where to does the  SCRITPURE give a kingdom or "supremeness" to any antichrist? I truly believe GOD chose the words to be written in His Word, and  if i asked you "Saved ya think God chose the words for scripture?" you wourld answer  "YES!" so  why change em? Changing as langauge changes is not the same as what has happened  with the phrase 'antichrist' much doctrine has been developed over that phrase.  I guess 'Saved' i am like the guy who quits smoking then  'preaches' the strongest at others    

[Mr. 5020]

Why is it OK for some folks to change or add to  the WORD? Why not read and see what is written? Why not say beast  when the scripture says beast?  Where to does the  SCRITPURE give a kingdom or "supremeness" to any antichrist? I truly believe GOD chose the words to be written in His Word, and  if i asked you "Saved ya think God chose the words for scripture?" you wourld answer  "YES!" so  why change em? Changing as langauge changes is not the same as what has happened  with the phrase 'antichrist' much doctrine has been developed over that phrase.  I guess 'Saved' i am like the guy who quits smoking then  'preaches' the strongest at others

C'mon Reba, I am a literalist like you claim to be.  But part of being a literalist is knowing when the author is not speaking literally.  The slain Lamb is not a baa-baa wooly lamb, is it.  It is the person of Jesus Christ.  And obviously, the beast is not just some lochness monster that came out, and made an image of itself and forced all to worship it.  It has to be a human.

[Reba]

Why is it OK for some folks to change or add to  the WORD? Why not read and see what is written? Why not say beast  when the scripture says beast?  Where to does the  SCRITPURE give a kingdom or "supremeness" to any antichrist? I truly believe GOD chose the words to be written in His Word, and  if i asked you "Saved ya think God chose the words for scripture?" you wourld answer  "YES!" so  why change em? Changing as langauge changes is not the same as what has happened  with the phrase 'antichrist' much doctrine has been developed over that phrase.  I guess 'Saved' i am like the guy who quits smoking then  'preaches' the strongest at others

C'mon Reba, I am a literalist like you claim to be.  But part of being a literalist is knowing when the author is not speaking literally.  The slain Lamb is not a baa-baa wooly lamb, is it.  It is the person of Jesus Christ.  And obviously, the beast is not just some lochness monster that came out, and made an image of itself and forced all to worship it.  It has to be a human.

1 John 2:18
18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
KJV
1 John 2:22
22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
KJV
1 John 4:3
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
KJV
2 John 7
7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
KJV

Where is the metaphor?

[Mr. 5020]

Originally posted by Reba
1 John 2:18
18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
KJV
1 John 2:22
22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
KJV
1 John 4:3
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
KJV
2 John 7
7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
KJV

Where is the metaphor?

Surely you paid attention enough to my post to realize that I used the word "beast" in it.  So obviously, you're not even in the right book of the Bible.

[Reba]

Saved,


Why is it OK for some folks to change or add to  the WORD? Why not read and see what is written? Why not say beast  when the scripture says beast?  Where to does the  SCRITPURE give a kingdom or "supremeness" to any antichrist? I truly believe GOD chose the words to be written in His Word, and  if i asked you "Saved ya think God chose the words for scripture?" you wourld answer  "YES!" so  why change em? Changing as langauge changes is not the same as what has happened  with the phrase 'antichrist' much doctrine has been developed over that phrase.  I guess 'Saved' i am like the guy who quits smoking then  'preaches' the strongest at others    

Mr.5020 this is the post you quoted from me. It is about antichrist, in response to other statments about antichrists try again.

P.S.
 we agree about the Dixie chicks