If - YOU - read vs's 38 and 39 in their - FULL - context, the tares which were sown by Satan are actual human beings who are filled with error (partial truth) and outright deception which they believe, which is how they came to be the children of Satan in the first place. The parable is not describing the world, but describing the kingdom of heaven which is in the world.

And, do you know what? You are not even questioning me about my beginning post anyway.


I hear your accusation of me, which you had better repent doing to the brothers and sisters in Christ.

RE 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
RE 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

And now I have answered you three times. Since you apparently can't hear my answer to you concerning my faith in what Yeshua said, then at least hear Yeshua.

He said it.I only repeated it - 3 times.

MT 13:24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:

Yeshua (Jesus) sowed the truth of God in his field, the kingdom of heaven. He didn't sow into the kingdoms of the world.

MT 13:25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

While men in the kingdom of heaven spent time in spiritual sleep, (when the field was being sowed at seed time), the enemy sowed error, partial truth (which is actually deception), and false doctrines into the kingdom of heaven, the church.
All who believe the error and deception are sleeping spiritually, and therefore as you have said are not truely members of the kingdom of heaven. But they call themselves members of the Body of Christ anyway, because that is what they have been deceived that they are.

MT 13:26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.

In the past year, denominational leaders all across the U.S. have awakened to see that tares are among the wheat. Their sermons are becoming trumpets that they are blowing in Zion.

MT 13:27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
MT 13:28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
MT 13:29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
MT13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

And this is not my opinion, but Yeshua's doctrine, which has become my knowledge and understanding thanks to the Holy Spirit of God!

[temporary members of the kingdom of heaven.]

Among bible believers, we use the word church, to define the body of Christ, not the churches which are visible and prominent to the eye.

I understand that. But those among the church, who have either been deceived by partial teachings and error or by out right deliberate deception, also use the word church to define the body they belong to.

The body of believers is invisible, and the full some of it, is known ONLY unto God (2 Tim 4:19), we only find others who belong to Christ by listening to each others testimony.

Yes. And the body of the deceived among them is also invisible, and yet known only to God. The testimony of the body of Christ will match the testimony of Yeshua the Christ, because we become baptized in his testimony, and his testimony becomes our own through that baptism. The Body of Christ, (the Body of the Anointed), - ALL - have the testimony of people who are - anointed - of God, through Yeshua the anointed of God. (We have the mind of Christ, knowing how and obedient to do the will of God.)

Everyone who does not yet have HIS testimony has been deceived in one way or another.

you said;

"No Petro. Actually most members of the church are temporary members of the kingdom of heaven. "

What proof texts, can you quote, which supports YOUR own personal opinion, you have expressed, concerning "temporary members of the kingdom of heaven??

Petro, I didn't post for debate. From reading your posts, I gather that you know the scriptures. You know the parable of the tares. You know that the only sign of the coming end is the sign of Jonah. You know that these days will be as the days of Noah were. What more text proofs do you need? Or don't you believe those portions of the scriptures. (I,m not being nasty to you, only reminding you of things you already know.)

One either has been given to the Son, by the Father or he hasn't.
Those who haven't do not belong to Christ.

If he has, is a permanent member of the Body of Christ, sealed by the Spirit of Grace.

Did God give you to Yeshua Christ before you repented sin? Is there example anywhere in the scriptures of God giving anyone to Yeshua Christ before that man repented sin? No, there is not. Therefore everyone who is a member of the kingdom of heaven and yet has not repented sin, is A TEMPORARY MEMBER of the kingdom and Yeshua will say to him, "I never knew you. Depart from me you who work iniquety."

Are you a Spirit filled Christian??

  If you are spirit filled you already know the answer to your question.

Yours in Christ,
Anne

The church are all members of the the body of Jesus Christ,

Is your goal to convert those truckers who already believe in Jesus, to that of Jeshua, or is it to give out the good news to those who do not know Jesus.

The great majority of Christians in this country, who are saved, that attend the protestant churches you refer to, came to Christ, and were baptized under His english name "Jesus", and they know Jeshua is his jewish (hebrew) name, ...........meaning same thing.

No Petro. Actually most members of the church are temporary members of the kingdom of heaven. The great majority have only deceived themselves that they are members of the Body of Christ. And unless they wake from their spiritual sleep, on the day of the harvest of the LORD the majority of the field of the LORD will be gathered together and cast into the fire.

The great majority of Christians in this country have been deceived that they are saved by well meaning leaders who have believed deceptions themselves, and therefore teach those deceptions as truth because they believe it to be the truth. This man complains about the deceived Jehovah’s Witness, and that man complains about the deceived Mormons, and another complains about the deceived Catholics, and the list goes on ...  

Most are watching for the enemy to come at this late date to sow the TARES into the field of the LORD. They have never understood that the tares have already been sowed into HIS field in centuries past, to grow together with the wheat until the harvest. At the age of 12, a Southern Baptist minister water baptized me - UNDER - the name of Jesus, and told me that now I was saved. It took me 30 years to discover that I had never been baptized - IN - Jesus’ name at all, only - UNDER - it.

That minister truly believed that he had taught me the truth, and because he believed it and was the leader who was supposed to know that he taught me truth, I believed the same deception for 30 years.  I only discovered the difference between being water baptized - UNDER - his name, and being baptized of thought - IN - his name, after I stopped allowing other things in life to distract my attention from the scriptures.

Therefore, my goal is to cause those truckers who already believe in Yeshua (Jesus) to make sure that they are baptized in the thoughts of his mind unto salvation, and not merely believe that he exists. And my goal is cause those who do not know Yeshua (Jesus) to understand that the good news is the thoughts that are in the mind of Christ, and they they will find salvation through becoming saturated in the thoughts of HIS mind.

In your opening paragraph, you start out by trying to explain something, which is more of a personal teaching, concerning been restored to the Lord, this is purely someones own ideas and teachings, and has nothing to do with the "Parable of the Sower."

Thank you for pointing out that the opening paragraph was disconnected.  But although it is personal knowledge and understanding gained from the scriptures, it is not merely personal. The parables of the kingdom explain this again and again.

Is this better?:
We know for certain that for many decades a great many church congregations have longed for revival in the Lord. We know that they have longed for the Lord God to be restored to them. We also know that meanwhile they claim that God is among them. But those congregations have made double minded claims, for the two claims are contradictory.

The truth is that God is not actually among the congregations who want him restored to them. God is not truly among the congregation who wants to receive revival in him. And they can not be revived in God until they deliberately begin to understand God.

We have probably all heard it said many times, that we must clearly understand the parable of the sower before we will be able to understand much of the Holy Bible at all. And if we are to ever actually achieve the overcoming of the wicked, then the teachings of Yeshua must override and overrule every denominational theology known to religion.


Thanks,
Anne

Hello again,

Fewarechosen7F, I don't mean to sound stupid, but I don't understand what you are saying to me. I have not been baptised yet. Is that what you're asking me? It is something that has been bothering me for a while, and I know I need to be baptised soon. Or are you saying something else?

The word baptize means to saturate, to thoroughly whelm.
When we are water baptized, it only symbolizes to other Christians that our thoughts have been thoroughly saturated in the knowledge and understandiung of sin.

You see John the Baptist came preaching the baptism unto repentance, before he baptized anyone. He first preached cause and effect of sin until they wanted to repent sin. And when they repented, he baptized them in water to symbolize that they had repented sin.

The cause of sin is simple. Yeshua, (Jesus), tells us in John 15:22- exactly what sin is. If I had not come and spoken to them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloak for their sin. He that hates me hates my Father also. If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father.

Sin is hating God, and hating the Son of God, and hating the Holy Spirit of God, which is shown by ignoring God and ignoring those who tell of him in truth. All the other stuff that religious folks call sin are all the results of ignoring God.

This is the understanding that we become saturated in unto -- repentance.  The understanding that we become saturated in unto salvation is understanding the ways of Yeshua (Jesus), understanding his mind, his thoughts. We have the mind of Christ because the thoughts that he spoke -- ARE HIS DOCTRINE. And his is the only treue doctrine.

Hello Stephen,

As we must be baptized in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost, our thoughts must be -- saturated -- in the information about them. That is what the baptism unto salvation actually is, the meaning of baptize being to whelm, to saturate.

In 1991 my husband and I bought the Bible on cassettes, Alexander Scourby. As we are truck drivers, we had plenty of time to listen. We soon discovered that the KJV can be heard from cover to cover every 52 waking hours. Because we listened to the KJV 23.5 times that year, we -- actually -- became baptized - in the name. -

Through this sort of baptizing, the knowledge and understanding found in the scriptures themselves soon identifies whether the preacher who is speaking is authentic unto God, or whether he is a false prophet unknowingly.

Just before the feeding of the 5000, John had been beheaded, and Yesha (Jesus) knew that Herodeous had been given John's head. Yeshua had gone into the desert to be alone to pray. (Was he battling Herodeous for John's head?). The 5000 who followed him were the disciples of John.

I wonder if they had chosen to become Yeshua's disciples now that John was gone? If so, ALL had repented sin, which would have been a factor in the feeding of the 5000.

I am getting ready to produce a monthly "news letter" to be distributed to truck stop ministries across the U.S. Please "critique" this article that is to be in the first paper.
Thank you in advance,
Yours in Christ,
Anne

                       Parable of the Sower

     We know for certain that for many decades a great many church congregations have longed for revival in the Lord. We know that they have longed for the Lord God to be restored to them. We also know that meanwhile they claim that God is among them already. Without realizing the fact, in this they have made double minded claims, for the two claims are contradictory.
     We have probably all heard it said many times, that we must clearly understand the parable of the sower before we will be able to understand much of the Holy Bible at all. And if we are to ever actually achieve the overcoming of the wicked, then the teachings of Yeshua must override and overrule every denominational theology known to religion.
     It is for that reason that I labor in faith together with the works of study, in order to present to the reader my studies of the sayings and deeds of Yeshua. Because we are advised to first seek the kingdom of heaven and his righteousness, I have begun with the parable of the sower and the parables of the kingdom.

Lu 8:1 And it came to pass afterward, that he went throughout every city and village, preaching and showing the glad tidings of the kingdom of God: and the twelve were with him,
Lu 8:2 And certain women, which had been healed of evil spirits and infirmities, Mary called Magdalene, out of whom went seven devils,
Lu 8:3 And Joanna the wife of Chuza Herod's steward, and Susanna, and many others, which ministered unto him of their substance.   
     There were more disciples than the twelve who accompanied Yeshua, as he went about preaching the kingdom of God and teaching his doctrine. In other words, a whole company of disciples went with him. All of them heard most of what he taught first hand. That Mary (their rebellion) Magdalene (a tower) and Joanna (Jehovah is a gracious giver), and Susanna (a lily) were named here, the indication is that they were taught as much as the twelve.  
     Joanna’s husband, Chuza (the seer), is only mentioned this one time in the commonly available scriptures of the New Testament.  Since it is mentioned here that he was Herod's (heroic) steward, and not mentioned whether he was with the disciples, there could be important details about him that were omitted during translations.

Mt 13:1 The same day went Jesus out of the house, and sat by the sea side.
Mt 13:2 And great multitudes were gathered together unto him, so that he went into a ship, and sat; and the whole multitude stood on the shore.
Mt 13:3 And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a sower went forth to sow;
Mr 4:1 And he began again to teach by the sea side: and there was gathered unto him a great multitude, so that he entered into a ship, and sat in the sea; and the whole multitude was by the sea on the land.
Mr 4:2 And he taught them many things by parables, and said unto them in his doctrine,
Lu 8:4 And when much people were gathered together, and were come to him out of every city, he spake by a parable:
Mr 4:3 Hearken; Behold, there went out a sower to sow:
     While the name Yeshua means (he will save), the name Jesus means (Jehovah saved). The effect of the use of the name Jesus (Jehovah-saved) in the scriptures is to both testify of the things that Yeshua taught and did, and to instruct the household of Yeshua in the things that they are to continue teaching and doing.
     Behold! Examine the information in this analogy very carefully. A parable is an example by which doctrine or precept is illustrated. His disciples had been accompanying Yeshua wherever he went, but their minds had not been keeping up with him whatever he said.
     Yeshua was the sower who was himself sowing knowledge and understanding of the ways of God. After him, his disciples would become the sowers of the same knowledge and understanding. And it makes absolutely no difference how much denominational theology a man knows, if he doesn’t know what Yeshua and his first disciples said and did. Because the doctrine of Yeshua overrules and overrides all other religious doctrine.

Mt 13:4 And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up:
Mr 4:4 And it came to pass, as he sowed, some fell by the way side, and the fowls of the air came and devoured it up.
Lu 8:5 A sower went out to sow his seed: and as he sowed, some fell by the way side; and it was trodden down, and the fowls of the air devoured it.
     Knowledge that Yeshua (he will save) sowed fell into bodies of people whose entire way of life was “by the wayside.” Lack of communication in themselves caused them not to understand the things he said. And lack of understanding leaves the man wide open to the misinterpretation of the unknowingly ignorant and the misrepresentation of those who have already been deceived themselves. When people who misrepresent the doctrine of Yeshua gain influence over those who are ignorant of his doctrine, the ignorant become trodden down by misrepresentation.

Mt 13:5 Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth:
Mt 13:6 And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away.
Mr 4:5 And some fell on stony ground, where it had not much earth; and immediately it sprang up, because it had no depth of earth:
Mr 4:6 But when the sun was up, it was scorched; and because it had no root, it withered away.
Lu 8:6 And some fell upon a rock; and as soon as it was sprung up, it withered away, because it lacked moisture.
     Knowledge that Yeshua (he will save) sowed fell into bodies of people who were shallow of thought. The lack of giving serious thought is a personal barrier against the word of the kingdom for each of them. In this kind of man, the word of the kingdom grows outwardly very quickly. He quickly cleans the outward appearance of his life.
     But because that man does not “water” his understanding with serious thought, the word of the kingdom has no way to grow inwardly in him. He knows and lives only the “surface” of the word of the kingdom, the outward appearance of it. Because he doesn’t give it serious thought, he can not defend his faith.
     And so, when “the heat is on” and the word of the kingdom shines light on his shallow knowledge and understanding, he winds up being the one who is offended because he did not put down roots of serious thought into the word of the kingdom. And instead of beginning to think seriously when confronted, he becomes scornful of those who resist him.

Mt 13:7 And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them:
Mr 4:7 And some fell among thorns, and the thorns grew up, and choked it, and it yielded no fruit.
Lu 8:7 And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprang up with it, and choked it.
     Knowledge that Yeshua (he will save) sowed fell into bodies of people who were like thorns pricking one another. This is a very good description of the religious world as we know it today. Varying traditional doctrines from every direction are like thorn bushes working to put to silence the word of the kingdom by all of their confusion. Since variance is abomination to God, it is safe to assume that all denominational doctrines are in error until proven otherwise through Yeshua’s doctrine, especially since Yeshua’s is the only true doctrine.

Mt 13:8 But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold. Mr 4:8 And other fell on good ground, and did yield fruit that sprang up and increased; and brought forth, some thirty, and some sixty, and some an hundred.
Lu 8:8 And other fell on good ground, and sprang up, and bare fruit an hundredfold. And when he had said these things, he cried, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
     Knowledge that Yeshua (he will save) sowed also fell into bodies of people who were good ground, men like John and Paul, and the entire first generation of disciples. Those who are good ground are determined to hear the Lord if they never do anything else at all. Those who are good ground are determined to be obedient to the Lord, even if the members of their own families disown them because of it.
     These bring themselves forth as first fruits to the Lord. And afterward they bring forth other men and women in the word of the kingdom.

Mt 13:9 Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
Mr 4:9 And he said unto them, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
      Whoever is determined in his heart to understand, let him comprehend the things that are told to him.

This "cross" is "the sufferings of Christ" to which all disciples are appointed -- tribulation, distress, persecution, famine, nakedness, peril, sword (Rom.8:35).  Paul took up his cross daily, just as the Lord Jesus Christ took up His cross DAILY.  The Lord suffered every day that He lived on this earth, and then He was subjected to the greatest suffering ever suffered -- the death of the cross.  This was not merely a physical suffering [which in itself was most excruciating], but it was the agony of His soul and spirit as He bore the wrath of God for all our iniquities (see Isa. 53:1-12).

So the Lord says "Follow me" and then puts a path of suffering before us. Are we disciples enough to walk that lonely road?

Hello Sower,
God anointed Yeshua in God's word to the point that Yeshua embodied God's word. That anointing is called Christ, God's anointed. If we, as disciples of Yeshua, allow the word of Yeshua to so fill us up that we embody the word of Yeshua, that anointing is also called Christ. It is Christ in us.

In the eyes of the world outside of discipleship, Christ, the anointing, IS the cross they would attempt to crucify us on. But what they mean for evil, God means for good.

If you truly are a disciple yourself, then you understand what I am speaking of, and know how deeply the Holy Spirit is grieved by the lack of knowledge that permeates the Body of Christ as religion knows her.  

The student must eventually do large amounts of individual study on their own and not depend upon every sip or bite being raised to their lips by the teacher.[/color] Here is where the joy becomes more full and the Holy Spirit becomes a guide and teacher. There is a secret here to be discovered by the student. There are always willing teachers when there is an eager and willing student to put forth some effort of his or her own.

One part of that secret is that if the whole adult part of even one congregation would do this sort of studying, their entire church body could do mighty things very quickly, with far fewer obstacles in their way. It is the lack of this sort of study that throws stumbling blocks in their path to begin with.

As a small child, I remember overhearing discussions between my dad and my uncle, both preachers, when one of the kids did something wrong. They discussed an age or maturity of accountability. I didn't understand what they were talking about then, but I remember portions of those conversations now that the question has come up and I feel a burden on my heart to find out.

That is an interesting question Tom, and one worthy of study.  May have to join you there!  I've always considered the accountability concept to be a necessity.  That is, if one does not know one is a sinner, and does not know that Jesus paid the price for there sin, is not the issue here.  That is covered in Romans 1.  The issue is whether or not the one who does not know, can know, or are capable of understanding.  That's key I believe, but will be the first to say that it is also reason and logic at the heart of it all.  Let me know what ya find on this would you?

One of the prophesies about Yeshua stated that he would eat butter and honey until he learned to choose the good and not the evil. And when he was 12 years old, his mother and Joseph were astonished that he had learned so much.

He was without sin, and yet he had to learn not to choose the evil. Therefore, I believe that the child is not born - in - sin, but - into - sin. In other words, children are taught to sin, by the people in their lives who sin

[and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God.]

Those that teach adherence to another doctrine, rather than that of Christ, have nothing to do with them.

And be careful, not to quickly call any man brother, who speaks words which are familiar, but have another meaning.

Test all things, and search the scriptures to see if they be so..

2 Jhn 1
9  Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
10  If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
11  For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

It is not the will of God, any should be decieved;

Mat 24
4  And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.

2 Cor 11
13  For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14  And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15  Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.


Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath: Jas 1:19

The parable of the tares also describes that the adversary was going to sow unknowingly false Christians into - Yeshua's Church - long before the ripening of the harvest.

Therefore, it is of the utmost importance that every individual test the words of his preacher in the scriptures themselves, especially testing his preacher's words against the quoted words of Yeshua.

Knowledge of God can be gained from all things.
But - wisdom to use the knowledge - comes through many councelors.

Luke 15:11-32
11 And he said, A certain man had two sons:
The father is God.
The younger son is the one we know as the mediocre Christian.
The older son is the one we know as the very faithful Chirstian.

12 And the younger of them said to his father, Father, give me the portion of goods that falleth to me. And he divided unto them his living.
Inheritance - that portion that will be left to this son
(in this case "Give to me my share of wisdom and truth")

He hadn't known that he was asking for wisdom and truth when he went on his own. Obviously he hadn't taken the good advice of those who cared about him, because he very swiftly wasted everything he had. Sometimes great knowledge and wisdom comes from learning things "the hard way."

13 And not many days after the younger son gathered all together, and took his journey into a far country, and there wasted his substance with riotous living.
Gathered - led himself, without advice from God
Far Country - distanced way of existance
Wasted - sowed no seed for future use
Riotous living - overindulgent in a life of pleasures

14 And when he had spent all, there arose a mighty famine in that land; and he began to be in want.
Famine - a very scarce spiritually sound harvest of souls
Want - a failure, spiritual death producing natural death

'Fair weather friends" will help you spend everything that you have, and when your money is gone, you find out who your friends really are. Real friends do not leave you in want, especially if you have footed their bill until you ran out of money.

Many times it is when your "fair weather friends" have left your side that you realize just how spiritually dead you have become. What real life is there for the person whom everyone he knows only uses?

20 And he arose, and came to his father. But when he was yet a great way off, his father saw him, and had compassion, and ran, and fell on his neck, and
kissed him.
Arose and came to father - awake from spiritual sleep and prepare self and bring self back under the influence of the Father
Great way off - still mentally distancing himself from the Father
Compassion - moved with sympathy for the sufferings of another
Fell on neck - reclaim ownership, take possession
Kisses - show mercy, show tender love and forgiveness

Reclaim ownership is really meant in a higher spiritual concept.  When the Lord's own have repented to the point that their every thought is being baptized in the name of the Savior, God sends the Holy Ghost to "reclaim God's ownership."  But in a manner of speaking, it is not ownership, because it is willingly given by the baptized son of God.

Yours in Christ,