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31  Theology / Debate / Re:the Passion on: March 08, 2004, 11:50:07 AM

NEWS FLASH.....one cannot be a Catholic and a Christian!

One cannot be an idolater and enter the kingdom of God.

Psalm 119

btw, no one bashed any "Christian" unless you call reciting Scripture  "bashing".
32  Theology / Debate / Re:the Passion on: March 07, 2004, 05:30:30 PM


Here is a good link for reviews on The Passion.

33  Theology / Debate / Re:the Passion on: March 07, 2004, 04:26:27 PM
"And Jesus answered and said to them; take heed that no one deceives you. For many will come in My name saying,"I am the Christ" and will deceive many."  Matt 24:4-5

"Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons."  I Tim 4:1

"For the time will come WHEN THEY WILL NOT ENDURE SOUND DOCTRINE, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers, and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables." 2 Tim 4:3-4

"Be sober, be vigilant, because your adversary the devil walks about like a a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour. RESIST HIM STEADFAST IN THE FAITH, knowing that the same sufferings are experienced by your brotherhood in the world."  I Peter 5:8-9

"And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light." 2 Cor. 11:15

Fact:Anne Katherine Emmerich a Catholic nun, mystic, stigmatist wrote the "screenplay" of the Passion. Mel Gibson carries a "relic" of hers ( a piece of cloth) in his pocket.Her "unbiblical visions" of satan in the garden are not from Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John

Fact: Most Protestants don't read their Bibles enough to know truth from fiction. Most will readily accept a few lies and then call it "artistic license" ( a little leaven will ruin the whole lump)

Fact: While dozens of Pastors are taking their congregations in Portland, Oregon to see the Passion. Dozens of homosexuals are obtaining "marriage licenses", and not one pastor is present to protest.

Fact:We are living in the most deceptive time in American history.

Fact: God will not be mocked. He will respond to America's moral crisis, as He did with Sodoms.

Awake Awake to Righteousness!

Psalm 119

34  Theology / Debate / Re:the Passion on: March 04, 2004, 01:00:59 PM
Thanks for the link, Psalm 119!  Smiley

In the link, this was asked:

Where was His death prophesied in the Old Testament...

Can someone answer this, please?  Thank you in advance.

The prophecy of Jesus is found in Isaiah chapters 52-53. There are many more Old Testament references to Jesus. Actually the Isaiah prophecies were made c. 700 years prior to Christ's birth.

Last night I did find out that another cast member has been involved in pornographic movies (this now makes 4). Sergio Rubini who played Dismas in the Passion, also played in a dark comedy (demonic) called Soul Mate in 2002, he also played in Amnesia (2002) that has a pornography and sodomy theme.These are both Italian films.

Mel Gibson wanted to use "unknowns" in the Passion. Well they are becoming known and it's not pretty. Of course, this is just a movie, right! And to most, character doesn't matter.

If one believes that you can be Catholic and Christian, this movie will not offend you. If you believe it's ok to take away and add to the Scriptures (in violation of Rev. 22:18-19) then this film will not offend you.

Personally, I believe Satan is laughing.....He has come as an angel of light . He has distorted the gospel (with the images of Satan, children turning into demons etc)  and many professing Christians are willing to accept these inacurracies in order to "promote the gospel".

I do hope and pray in spite of the Catholicism and Demonology, contained in The Passion, that there will be those who will realize the penalty Christ paid on the cross for our sins. I pray they will repent and believe in the true gospel of Jesus Christ.

Psalm 119
35  Theology / Debate / Re:the Passion on: March 03, 2004, 09:46:53 AM
Here is a good commentary by Steve Camp (Christian singer and song writer) who has watched The Passion three times. He delves into the Catholicism.

When you click on the link, you then have to go to the left column and click on "The Mass" appeal of "The Passion"


Psalm 119
36  Theology / Debate / Re:the Passion on: March 02, 2004, 02:47:06 PM

I'm glad to see someone is having some qualms about The Passion of Christ.

I saw the PAX special on the making of The Passion ,and several things did not set right with me, i.e. Satan in the Garden of Gethsemane (which did not happen, quite the contrary; God sent an angel to minister to Jesus). Also the strong Catholic influence.

So I have been doing a little digging and it's not pretty.

Mel Gibson used several sources to make the movie.

1) Diaries of St. Anne Catherine Emmerich (1774-1824)a "patron saint" of the Catholic Church  who had "visions of Christ's death and Satan (that's where the part about Satan in the movie was adapted). Emmerich was a German Catholic nun, mystic, and a stigmatist ( she claimed to carry around Christ's wounds in her hands and feet) The movie was primarily based on her book, "The Dolorous Passion of Our Lord Jeseus Christ"

2) "The Mystical City of God" by St. Mary Agreda (mystical city given to denote "The blessed virgin Mary")(also the "sacred heart")

3) The New Testament Gospel accounts ( Matthew, Mark, Luke, John)

Also during my research, I did a little checking on some of the cast members of The Passion (I'm not finished yet) This is the startling information that I have found so far.

Monica Bellucci (Mary Magdalene) played a topless vampire in Bran Stoke's "Dracula" in 2000, she has also played in the Matrix series (very vile) Other information about Monica include nude pictures on the internet (which I couldn't get due to the block on my server)

Rosalinda Celentano (Satan) played in an Italian Movie entitled: Poco piu' di un annofa (2003) in english it is called "Tale of a gay porn star", aka as "Diary of a male porn star"

Claudia Gerini (Claudia) played in a movie "Don't Move" (non ti muovere) which is pornographic. She also played a lesbian rock star in the movie La Vespa E La Regina (2000)

Why has no shepherd of the flock of Jesus Christ done any research on The Passion and it's cast members? Has Satan come as an angel of light to blind the masses? Can Catholicism and Christianity mix?

Yes, some may come to the knowledge of Christ in spite of the overt Catholic theme, and the porno stars. However, knowning what I know now, there is no way I will be participating.

Psalm 119
37  Fellowship / What are you doing? / Re:Shirts on: February 22, 2004, 04:14:01 PM
"Got AIDS yet?"

This T-shirt was worn by a street preacher in Columbus, Ohio several years ago. He climbed up the flag pole, and removed the "gay flag" at the statehouse during the "gay" parade. He was promptly arrested.

Symphony, you won't be able to use that slogan.

Personally, I have found that the message should be short, and to the point.

"Remember the fireworks display at Sodom"

"Homosexuality is an abomination"

"Homosexuality is sin"

"God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve"

"Abortion is murder"

"Judgement is at the doors"

"Eternity? Smoking or non-smoking?"

"Repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand"

"Which part of "thou shall not" do you not understand?"

Psalms 119
38  Fellowship / What are you doing? / Re:Prisoners on: February 22, 2004, 03:55:32 PM

Thank you for writing Ms. Ling. The above link is for another site. The correct link for prisoners is:


I hope many of you will go to this site and be an encouragement to our brothers and sisters who are being persecuted for their faith in Jesus.

Psalm 119
39  Fellowship / You name it!! / Re:Did You Hear the Love? on: February 17, 2004, 08:39:17 AM

I have a wonderful husband of twenty eight years. He is the love of my life. He worked very hard for a number of years so I could  be home with the kids. He has never been a demanding husband, at the same time, I try never to take advantage.

A Christian woman who is bashing her husband, needs to be reminded that she is called to love her husband and her children. To do otherwise, is to break the oneness of the union of marriage. Our marriage should be a picture on this earth of Christ and His church.

Psalms 119
40  Fellowship / You name it!! / Re:Homeschool on: February 16, 2004, 07:12:50 PM

Yes, you busted me for poor grammar! What can I say? I'm a product of the public government education system. It has been hard to teach this old dog new tricks.

Psalm 119
41  Theology / Debate / Re:Abortion: Right or Wrong? on: February 16, 2004, 07:05:18 PM

It's a miracle! we actually both believe that the pill causes abortions.

You are totally correct, but unfortunately many Christians and even pro-lifers still have not gotten the message. A simple glance at a PDR (Physicians Desk Reference) would plainly give anyone the truth.

Sadly though, you and Broken still believe the lie that abortion is ok. I challenge you both again to go back and view the pictures of these little babies. What could possibly justify mutilating an innocent little baby? What would justify sticking a pair of scissors into the back of a baby's head and sucking it's brains out?

Psalms 119

42  Fellowship / You name it!! / Re:New USA Visa on: February 15, 2004, 10:47:05 PM
You papers please!
43  Theology / Debate / Re:Abortion: Right or Wrong? on: February 15, 2004, 10:38:07 PM

Yes God is love. But do you know there is another side to God? Hear the Word of the Lord!

"For you are not a God who takes pleasure in wickedness, Nor shall evil dwell with You. The boastful shall not stand in Your sight. You hate all workers of iniquity. You shall destroy those who speak falsehood; the Lord abhors the bloodthirsty and deceitful man." Psalm 5:4-6

"The Lord tests the righteous, but the wicked and the one who loves violence His soul hates. Upon the wicked He will rain coals; fire and brimestone and a burning wind shall be the portion of their cup."  Psalms 11:6

""But to the wicked God says: What right have you to declare My statutes, or take My covenant in your mouth, SEEING YOU HATE INSTRUCTION AND CAST MY WORDS BEHIND YOU? When you saw a thief, you consented with him, and have been a partaker with adulterers. You give your mouth to evil, and your tongue frames deceit" Psalms 50:16-19

"The bloodthirsty hate the blameless (babies?), but the uprightseek his well being" Proverbs 29:10

"He who justifies the wicked, and he who condemns the just, both of them are an abomination to the Lord." Proverbs 17:15

"There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way of death." Proverbs 14:12

"For whoever finds Me finds life, and obtains favor from the Lord, but he who sins against Me wrongs his own soul; ALL THOSE WHO HATE ME LOVE DEATH." Proverbs 8:35-36

"For the perverse person is an abomination to the Lord" Proverbs 3:32

Broken, I urge you again to repent of your sins. There is nothing hidden from God. He has known you  before your conception. He has your very breath in His hands. Fear God and give glory to Him!

Psalm 119
44  Prayer / General Discussion / Re:Martyrs on: February 15, 2004, 05:23:49 PM

I just finished reading an excellent book entitled The Heavenly Man. It's about a Chinese pastor in the Home Church movement. It details his sufferings for the cause of Christ. One thing that stands in my mind, he stated that we  should not pray that the persecution will stop. He feared if it did, the church would fail to be strong. It was through the persecution that the Chinese House Church has grown by leaps and bounds.

In America we are a picture of the Laodecian Church. We are in need of nothing. We have our big structures, padded seats, and fine sound systems. It's quite comfortable to be a "Christian" in this nation. It's a cross-less religion here in America. But you take a country like China, coming to Christ and living for Him, is a literal life and death decision.You have full understanding to come to Christ is to be buried into His death, and His sufferings. It will cost you dearly to follow Jesus.

I'm convinced that one day, God in His mercy, will bring our nation to it's knees. The day will come when the church games will stop. We will either be considered a "goat" or a "sheep". God will sift the wheat from chaff.

Psalms 119
45  Theology / Debate / Re:Abortion: Right or Wrong? on: February 15, 2004, 05:09:33 PM

Your comments about cutting down a tree is comical.

I once stood in front of a Planned Parenthood clinic,and some Pro-abortion folks were out there too. A pro-lifer was standing under a tree, and some of the pro-abortion people were bemoaning because someone was standing on the trees roots, all the while, up to twenty little boys and girls were being torn limb to limb inside the Planned Parenthood clinic. Reminds me of Romans 1, they worship the creature rather than the Creator.

Who created the tree Ebia? It was the Creator who created every living thing,including little babies.

Ebia, did you know the word brephos is the greek word for child? The word is interchangeble for an unborn child, newborn child, and an older infant.

"When Elizabeth heard the salutation of Mary , the babe (brephos) leaped in her womb....Luke 1:41

"Ye shall find the babe (brephos) in swaddling clothes lying in a manger....Luke 2:12,16

"And they brought unto Him also infants (brephos)that He would touch them." Luke 18:15

Brephos means to feed and nourish.

God does not differentiate between a babe in the womb and out of the womb.

Often God would speak about "visiting" a woman in regards to conception (as with Hannah).


You state that you are being judged. You are rejecting the Word of the Lord.

Yes, God is your judge! So why are you judging the unborn? Why would you condemm a disabled child to a horrific death?

Psalm 119
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