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31  Prayer / Answered Prayer / Re:WE serve an On Time God on: January 26, 2005, 09:28:04 AM
Wonderful praise report Larry and Terra!   Cheesy
32  Entertainment / Laughter (Good Medicine) / Re:Simply Not Funny! on: January 26, 2005, 09:03:58 AM
Jack: I think you hurt my head real bad. I'm dizzy! I need a doctor!  Grin
33  Theology / Bible Study / Re:tongues???? on: January 26, 2005, 08:56:52 AM
When you are speaking in tongues, you are not speaking from your heart.

You are contradicting scripture, as is written you will only speak what is already in your heart. The Spirit gives you the utterance, but you must do the  speaking. (Acts 2:4)

Deceptive spirits can cause a believer to utter a tongue that is ungodly and evil.
This statement has no scriptural support.

I have talked to people who have prayed in tongues and been in the hearing of a missionary who interprets the words and they are curses uttered against God.  The person that was speaking in tongues was convinced they were speaking as the Spirit gave utterance.

This is hearsay, and nothing more than a fable (a tale), thus has no place in a discussion of sound doctrine.
 Neither give heed to fables... which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: 1Ti 1:4

34  Theology / Bible Study / Re:tongues???? on: January 25, 2005, 09:25:40 PM
Shylynne wrote:
 But until then I'll continue to talk in unknown languages as the Spirit gives the utterance. Wink.

how do you know you aren't blaspheming God when you pray in your tongue?

Luk 6:45  A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.

To blaspheme God means to "speak evil" of God according to the greek text. I cannot speak evil of God if I dont think evil of God in my heart according to the doctrine of Christ.

Mat 7:16  Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Mat 7:17  Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
Mat 7:18  A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither [can] a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Mat 7:19  Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Mat 7:20  Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
35  Theology / Bible Study / Re:tongues???? on: January 25, 2005, 05:13:42 PM
1Co 12:7  But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
1Co 12:8  For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
1Co 12:9  To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
1Co 12:10  To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another [divers] kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
1Co 12:11  But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

If we say that speaking in another language by the manifestation of the Holy Spirit is a doctrine of devils, are we not saying that Paul himself was proclaming a teaching of demons as well? God forbid! If that be so then our foundation is not a very sure foundation.

1Co 14:37  If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
1Co 14:38  But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
1Co 14:39  Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.

Is it possible to forbid a gift of God? It would seem so. And God, being gentle as he is would not force it on anyone who didn't want it. But God forbid we should forbid His gifts or even go as far as to despise them.

1Th 5:19  Quench not the Spirit.
1Th 5:20  Despise not prophesyings.

1Co 14:1  Follow after charity, and desire spiritual [gifts], but rather that ye may prophesy.
1Co 14:2  For he that speaketh in an [unknown] tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth [him]; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries. 1Co 14:3  But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men [to] edification, and exhortation, and comfort.
1Co 14:4  He that speaketh in an [unknown] tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
1Co 14:5  I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater [is] he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

If he that speaks in an unknown language by the manifestation of the Spirit can be understood by "no man" then how can some say that Paul was not refering to a supernatural gift.

1Co 13:8  Charity never faileth: but whether [there be] prophecies, they shall fail; whether [there be] tongues, they shall cease; whether [there be] knowledge, it shall vanish away.
1Co 13:9  For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
1Co 13:10  But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. 1Co 13:11  When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
1Co 13:12  For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

Speaking in other languages by the Spirit have purpose: edifying yourself (1 Co. 14:4), and edifying the church if interpreted (1 Co 14:5). But "when that which is perfect is come" then they will cease to have use.

Eph 4:11  And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
Eph 4:12  For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
Eph 4:13  Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

While it is true that we are being "perfected". We DO NOT "know as we are known". The perfect HAS NOT come. We still see through a glass darkly, and are yet to see "face to face". The evidence is in the fact that Paul refered to iniquity and the paradox of godliness as a mystery in these last days (Acts 2:17):

Col 1:25  Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;
Col 1:26  [Even] the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
Col 1:27  To whom God would make known what [is] the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
Col 1:28  Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus: Col 1:29  Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily.

Eph 3:8  Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;
Eph 3:9  And to make all [men] see what [is] the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

If perfection has already come because the gospel has been preached on in the world, then why did Paul say that he still saw in a "glass darkly"? Paul was still being perfected eventhough he was more educated in the Gospel than most people.

Heb 6:1  Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
Heb 6:2  Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

We are going on to be perfected, by knowledge, revelation, exhortation, etc etc. But until that which is "perfect" is come, we will do what we dont want to do, and not do what we do want to do just as the Apostle Paul declared:

Rom 7:18  For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but [how] to perform that which is good I find not.
Rom 7:19  For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Rom 7:20  Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:21  I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
Rom 7:22  For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23  But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24  O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Rom 7:25  I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

1Co 15:19  If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
1Co 15:20  But now is Christ risen from the dead, [and] become the firstfruits of them that slept.
1Co 15:21  For since by man [came] death, by man [came] also the resurrection of the dead.
1Co 15:22  For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Co 15:23  But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
1Co 15:24  Then [cometh] the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
1Co 15:25  For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
1Co 15:26  The last enemy [that] shall be destroyed [is] DEATH.

Christ must reign until all enemies are destroyed. That last enemy will be DEATH. That is when the perfect will come. Has death ceased yet? I think not. That is when the kingdom of God will be delivered up and we will "know as we are also known". That is when we will see "face to face".

Until the "perfect" has come, then that which is partial must remain. These gifts are here to aid in the perfecting of the saints (Eph 4:11) until our enemy of sin and subsequent death is destroyed.

We all have different gifts. And we are alll important to the function of the Body of Christ. But I wish we wouldn't refuse and even despise the working of the Spirit. God gave it to us for our edification (lifting up). Edification should be our aim because it rests on the Command of Love.

I'm looking forward to the day when death is abolished and there is no need for these manifestations of the Spirit. But until then I'll continue to talk in unknown languages as the Spirit gives the utterance. Wink.

Act 2:1  And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
Act 2:2  And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
Act 2:3  And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
Act 2:4  And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Peace out. Smiley


36  Theology / Bible Study / Re:tongues???? on: January 25, 2005, 02:16:34 PM
1Co 14:39  Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
37  Entertainment / Laughter (Good Medicine) / Re:Simply Not Funny! on: January 25, 2005, 02:13:44 PM
Jack: Do you have the slightest idea what a moral and ethical principle is? Do you?  Grin

38  Theology / Bible Study / Re:tongues???? on: January 25, 2005, 01:42:43 PM
Nothing is real to you until you experience it, otherwise it's just hearsay.
39  Theology / Bible Study / Re:tongues???? on: January 24, 2005, 09:19:01 AM
Thank you Gary, I needed a double blessing today!  Cheesy
I pray that you are renewed in the Spirit also and, "That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God." 1Co 2:5  

Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned. 1Co2:12-14

40  Theology / Bible Study / Re:tongues???? on: January 24, 2005, 08:51:20 AM
I want nothing from God but Himself.

MalkyEL, why reject gifts from someone you love Huh
God offers them, and you say nope, I only want you  Huh
Does this mean a purer, bigger, stronger, love or belief on your part than the rest of us have for God  Huh

Not much need to add to this conversation, Gary is right on target with the Word, and his faith is a blessing to me!  It just begs the question,  for all those who reject spiritual gifts, why bring condemation on those who accept them wholeheartedly.
As for me, I want ALL God has to offer, so I can better serve and worship Him.  

41  Entertainment / Laughter (Good Medicine) / Re:Male Syndrome on: January 24, 2005, 08:35:13 AM
I knew that....clever cop-out too!  Tongue


*secretly i`m sure it made BEP`s day, so I let you away with it,  i`m sure he`s  been itchin to read me my rights for eons!*  Grin

I tried to find a good excuse and that was the best I could come up with as poor of one as it is.  Cheesy

Nah. Beps wouldn't do that to you. He don't go after supporters of God's word. He's too cool for that.  Cool Cool

(Don't tell him I said that though. It might go to his head.)

LOL! Beps is cool, but we wont tell him  Wink
I wouldnt be so sure about him not wanting to throw me in the clunker tho, just to teach me a lesson for picking on the guys !  Grin
My hubby and 9 brothers would cheer  Lips Sealed
42  Entertainment / Politics and Political Issues / Re:Who Are You..IF? on: January 24, 2005, 08:19:24 AM
a squirrel gun  Huh  

LOL, I missed that part, is that like a BB-gun  Huh

Is the plain grit because southerners eat so much grits  Huh

sincereheart sent me grits, they were very good!

Ok..i`m derailing again arnt I  Undecided

43  Theology / General Theology / Re:Enoch? on: January 24, 2005, 08:08:14 AM
So have I, maybe its a farm gal thing!   Wink

The debate is long over this book, and I`ve read much about it, but not much of the book itself.  As I understand it, the reason its not part of the books of the Bible is because the Catholics didnt have proof of validity  Huh They did debate over adding  it, (as they did several others books, as say the book of James) and its referenced too and quoted from in the Bible several times, and is considered by many Bible scholars to be a valuable historical record, all which makes it very interesting to me, certainly not something I`d discard simply because it was`nt included in the books that were chosen to be part of the Bible.
44  Theology / Debate / Re:A touchy subject on: January 24, 2005, 07:47:25 AM
i think that there are two kinds of homosexuality:  biological and environmental.  just as there are two kinds of depression:  biological and environmental.

 Sin by any other name is still sin.
45  Entertainment / Laughter (Good Medicine) / Re:Jest for laughs on: January 24, 2005, 07:37:43 AM
Irving was just coming out of anesthesia after a series of tests in the hospital, and his wife, Sarah, was sitting at his bedside.  His eyes fluttered open, and he murmured, "You're beautiful."

Flattered, Sarah continued her vigil while he drifted back to sleep.  Later he woke up and said, "You're cute."

"What happened to 'beautiful'?" Sarah asked.

"I guess the drugs must be wearing off," he replied.  

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