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61  Entertainment / Laughter (Good Medicine) / Simply Not Funny! on: January 22, 2005, 07:03:17 PM
62  Theology / Debate / Re: 4 MORE YEARS on: January 22, 2005, 06:50:12 PM
 Please...don't come here to Canada, we have enough nut cases here already.
Bronzesnake

ROFL! Its true!   Embarrassed

They havent even figgered out what to do with me yet!  Embarrassed
63  Theology / Debate / Re:Why don't we call for the president to stop killing IRAQI babies? on: January 22, 2005, 06:12:26 PM
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The difference is that you are no longer participating in a valid discussion. You are just making up junk and repeating the same old tired propaganda. If you'd like to present some factual statements I'd be willing to listen.

 Oh the irony!!

Hey, ever see that movie...banned man walking. Tongue

Bronzesnake

LOL! Bronzesnake it might be more productive to stick your tongue on a frozen pole!  Grin
64  Entertainment / Laughter (Good Medicine) / Re:Male Syndrome on: January 22, 2005, 06:06:14 PM
lemme alone!  Grin God Bless

joshua

bawk! bawk!  Tongue

  Grin
65  Welcome / About You! / Future_Canadian on: January 22, 2005, 05:57:55 PM
Is that like back to the future  Huh

A canucks welcome   Grin
66  Entertainment / Laughter (Good Medicine) / Re:Male Syndrome on: January 22, 2005, 05:53:45 PM
Bronzesnake, Blackeyedpeas, Jemidon2004, Pastor Roger, Dreamweaver...

haul em all off to the chicken farm!  Tongue
67  Entertainment / Laughter (Good Medicine) / Re:Male Syndrome on: January 22, 2005, 05:51:05 PM
not a male in the house was willing to touch this one...


hrrmmmm  Undecided
68  Entertainment / Laughter (Good Medicine) / Re:!!!?Jesus or Allah?!!! on: January 22, 2005, 03:29:42 PM
Joh 20:31  But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.  Smiley
69  Entertainment / Laughter (Good Medicine) / Re:Jest for laughs on: January 22, 2005, 03:09:20 PM
In a small southern town I saw a wonderful nativity scene, but
one feature bothered me. The three wise men were wearing
firemen's helmets. Unable to come up with a reason or
explanation, I left. At a convenience store on the edge of town, I asked the lady behind the counter about the helmets.

She exploded into a rage, yelling at me, "You Yankees never do read the Bible!"

I assured her that I did, but simply couldn't recall anything
about firemen in the Bible. She jerked her Bible from behind the counter and ruffled through some pages, and finally jabbed her finger at a passage.

Sticking it in my face, she said, "See, it says right here, 'The
three wise men came from afar!'"

  Lips Sealed

70  Theology / Debate / Re:A touchy subject on: January 22, 2005, 03:05:16 PM
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Shylynne Said:

They and those others who believe that God is continuing to reveal truths not contained in or inconsistent with the truth revealed in the Bible have exchanged their authority as ministers of The  Church for the false robes of priests and priestesses of gnosticism. Gnosticism was heresy in the history of the Early Church. It remains heresy."
amen!

Shylynne,

Sister, thanks for sharing this with us. I look around today with absolute shock about what is happening in so many so-called churches and ministries. If they are churches and ministries, they belong to the devil, not Christ. Most older Christians would have never dreamed some of the things happening today. What bothers me the most is some who flaunt their open and continued wallowing in sin and darkness, all the while professing Jesus. In my opinion, this is slapping our Lord and Saviour in the face with evil, and they never knew Jesus, nor does JESUS know them.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Psalms 121:1  I will lift up mine eyes unto the hills, from whence cometh my help.

Amen Tom!
"...Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God"
71  Theology / Apologetics / Re:Mormon on: January 22, 2005, 02:50:37 PM
There is no gray area with God! (James 1:17)
You either love and serve Him or you don't! (Revelation 3:16).
72  Theology / Apologetics / Re:Mormon on: January 22, 2005, 02:29:04 PM
 I was just trying to be wize Grin
73  Theology / Apologetics / Re:Mormon on: January 22, 2005, 01:47:18 PM
Which is it my confused friend? are you an evolutionist - a Mormon - or a Christian? There is only one truth, pick a side and go with it, get off the fence before your bum gets sore!  Grin

  Grin


Evangilist put it quite well in another thread. That fence will be turning into a sword.



 EYOUCH! Talk about a split personality!!

Those who are wize will get to the "bottom" of that remark.

Bronzesnake

  Lips Sealed  

  Cheesy Grin

Bronzesnake

I have only one question...what does EYOUCH mean?  Tongue
74  Theology / Apologetics / Re:Mormon on: January 22, 2005, 01:40:26 PM
Which is it my confused friend? are you an evolutionist - a Mormon - or a Christian? There is only one truth, pick a side and go with it, get off the fence before your bum gets sore!  Grin

  Grin


Evangilist put it quite well in another thread. That fence will be turning into a sword.



 EYOUCH! Talk about a split personality!!

Those who are wize will get to the "bottom" of that remark.

Bronzesnake

  Lips Sealed  
75  Entertainment / Laughter (Good Medicine) / Diagnose This! on: January 22, 2005, 12:38:14 PM
Daniel L. Bohlman is a pastor in Argyle, Wisconsin. This article appeared in The Christian Century. Current articles can be found at www.christiancentury.org

At the pastors’ conference, church diagnostician has been telling me and other glassy-eyed pastors that we have to start seeing things differently. Regional churches, more commonly known as megachurches, are the wave of the future. The statistics show "clearly" that megachurches will continue to draw more and more members because of their ability to provide expanded ministries to specific groups of people. These churches will have bigger choirs and more of them: choirs for adults, men, women, children, toddlers, infants -- maybe even choirs for babes still in the womb. How can another church compete?

They will also have small-group Bible studies, interactive Sunday school groups, and hymnals that you don’t need to hold. I’m ready to run home and tell our members to close up shop.

In my snazzy hotel room, I lie awake with a feeling of foreboding. I am pastor of two rural congregations in the middle of Wisconsin. We average 60 at worship, but if there is a family reunion on Sunday, the number can dip to 30. Diagnose that!

The next morning another diagnostician tells us that his area of expertise is "the integration of people and church." He spends the day going through every inch of a church layout, "walking" us from the parking lot to the toilets, from the sanctuary to the back closets. He tells us how to make all these things more inviting. Do our closets have to be inviting too?

My depression deepens and hope oozes out of me while the doctor of diagnosis smiles on and on.

During the final break, when everyone else is eating bran muffins and drinking some kind of French decaffeinated coffee, I sit alone beside the pop machine, hoping no one sees me huddled there with my Mountain Dew and Snickers bar. Then, in that quiet hallway, the Lord appears to me. Or is it the sugar kicking in? The vision is clear. I see a whole valley of rural congregations, and we are glowing. The brightness is dazzling. Onlookers can’t see that our bathrooms are undecorated, and that there is less than half a roll of toilet paper left in the dispenser. They can’t see that we don’t have parking lot greeters with personalized name tags. But I tell you they can see how we shine!

The revelation is soon over, but I’m inspired. That evening when the pastors get together around the pool, I decide to test my revelation. I want to put our rural congregations up against the megachurch.

Granted, I may need to add a bit of a flourish to God’s revelation, embellishing things here and there -- but nothing to send down the lightning of God’s anger.

One pastor in our group apparently serves a church that could be a poster child for the diagnosticians, and he’s eager to tell us about it.

Pastor Goliath brags that he has a 60-member choir. I put down my pop and matter-of-factly tell him both of our churches have 60-member choirs. I nod with all the persuasiveness I can muster, hoping my eyes don’t give me away.

I’m not lying, really. I just don’t add that our choir anthems are also called congregational hymns.

He tells us about the great small-group Bible studies at his church -- 12 groups of ten each, to be exact. He is taken aback when I inform him that we have small-group Bible studies going at our church too. I don’t explain that every Bible study at our church is a small group.

His voice moves up an octave as he talks about the parenting classes he is offering to the church -- classes, as he says, where parents are learning to share their faith with their kids. I echo him rather smugly with the news that parents meet each week at our churches to do the same thing. As I see it, each time the family gathers for worship, it is "doing" active parenting and sharing the faith within the family. I add that our classes are intergenerational. (After all, I’ve heard grandparents tell their grandkids to "sit down and shut up!")

"We have rest and relaxation classes," Goliath says, "to help people deal with the stress of their busy lives."

"We do too," I counter. What else should I call those who fall asleep in church -- and so what if they need a nap after a busy week?

"Our Sunday school is thriving!" Goliath says. I cut him off ruthlessly.

"Thriving?" I mock, "We’re thriving so much we lose track of kids sometimes." This is nothing to brag about, but it seems to fit the conversation.

Goliath moves on to church structure. He tells about the high visibility his church has: newspaper ads, billboards, TV and radio commercials, cable access. I acknowledge the importance of visibility. "We’re tops in that area too." Yes, that’s right. Both churches are built on top of hills. Of course, the wind can be a terrible nuisance, and in the winter we sometimes have to cancel church because we can’t get up the hill -- but Goliath doesn’t ask about the weather.

Instead he talks about the trained parking lot greeters who make a visitor’s first encounter with the church a pleasant one. I grin. If he knew anything about rural churches he would never have mentioned the parking lot. Everyone knows that in rural churches more is accomplished in the parking lot than in the church itself. In fact, most council decisions are made out there.

Goliath then breathes out the sacred words, "Handicapped parking facilities." I’m on cruise control now. I tell him we already know where Olive parks her car. And if anybody dares to park in her spot, it’s like an alarm bell that reverberates throughout the sanctuary with the message: "Visitor! Visitor!"

"Adequate parking?" he shoots back, his jaw clenched.

I wipe a bead of sweat off my forehead. I stall. In rural America, parishioners park anywhere they please, even on the church lawn. I can imagine how Goliath’s parishioners would react if someone late for church pulled up onto the church’s lush green lawn in a 1985 Ford 4x4 covered with cow manure.

Goliath eyes me carefully. He knows he’s running out of ammunition. Can I withstand the final push?

"Four houses," he spits out finally, his eyes a menacing squint. "We just bought four houses around our church so we can expand."

I pause, then breath a deep sigh of relief. "We’ve expanded too." It’s true. We just bought two more acres to add to our cemetery. We figure that should be enough room for the saints of the next 100 years.

We conclude by discussing issues of hospitality and welcoming, discipline and integration. Through it all, God’s revelation holds strong. God had shown me a great truth. What many of these megachurches are trying to simulate or produce through strategized ministries, we already have in our little podunk church.

The next Sunday, I arrive early at church. I sweep aside the raccoon droppings and unlock the church door. I walk through the church turning on lights and checking to see that there is toilet paper. (I did learn something!) Soon people begin to arrive.

When Hazel walks in, I am a bit surprised. She’s not a member, but her husband was, and his funeral was held at the church two weeks before. I make my way to the back of the church to welcome her. She tells me it is hard. I nod in sympathy and tell her that I’m glad she is here. When she finds a seat in an empty pew near the back of the church, I grimace. I was hoping she wouldn’t sit alone.

Then I see Lenora, also a widow. She stands up, leaves her pew and goes to sit by Hazel. Dorothe, another widow, slides over. For the next 15 minutes, I see Hazel laugh and cry and Lenora put her arm around her and give here a gigantic hug.

We’ll be all right. Goliath has size, but David has a good heart. Cheesy

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