Pilgrim, it is you who is spreading lies, and obviously has no clue whatsoever about what a RCC mass is, or about the many other odd claims you make, but i suspect you are already aware of this now aren't you? Your whole object here is to spread your brand of bigotry, and ignorance.
  I'm not allowed to say anything defending the RCC as you call it due to past problems here, note the Catholic, protestant war is over at the top of the category lists, but sooner or later there ends up being someone like you who just can't hold back, and has to show everybody else what a 'true Christian' is, and how 'true Christians' worship or don't worship in your case.
   I do hope that everyone here has a great thanksgiving, a blessed merry Christmas, and happy new year.
   

Who is this Stam, and how did he get so confused? Did brother love lead him astray or is it vice versa?

He's definitly a "Bill Clinton" Christian, his faith seems to be like most of his positions, he straddles the fence, and just wings it depending on who his audiance is. He's a joker, just like slick Willie.

Michael is right, he really has nothing to say. It seems as if no matter what the subject is, there are a few around here that just can't help spreading their prejudice and hate. May'be we need to give 'em a little slack, this might be the only interaction w/ people they get and their social skills aren't up to snuff yet. Just a thought.

Sorry, i meant the word meritorious as in valuable, not as in deserving reward.

Correction Heidi, i believe that i'm saved(Rom 8:24, Eph 2:5,8
2 Tim 1:9, Tit 3:5)past  event. I also believe that i am being saved(Phil 2:12, 1 Pet 1:9)present process. I also believe that i will be saved if i endure to the end(Mt 10:22, Mt 24:13,
Mk 8:35, Acts 15:11, Rom 5:9-10, Rom 13:11, 1 Cor 3:15,
1 Cor 5:5, Heb 9:28) future event.
  And all of this would be impossible w/o the free gift of Gods grace, but, the key to all of this is that we must endure to the end, as it clearly shows in scripture. If two years from now you denounce Christianity and do not believe in God nor His Son, Our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, than i'm sorry, but you've forfited your salvation.

So what about Mark 11:23, have you told any hills to get up and throw themselves into the sea? He says that if you have faith and believe with out a doubt that it will happen, give it a try and let us know the results.
   Sorry but nowhere in there does it say faith alone. On the contrary, there are many verses that say otherwise.
Jam 2:24, Jam 2:26, Gal 5:6, 1 Cor 13:2, Jn 14:15, Mt 19:16-17
  Catholics follow the whole thing, faith and works, 'both/and,' not 'either/or.'
 The Catholic church does not teach that just works are meritorious for salvation, despite what you keep claiming.
Faith is the beginning, but it is not the complete fulfillment of the will of God.  

Wrong again Heidi, read 1 Cor 4:14-16 carefully, Paul says that in Christ Jesus he bacame their father through the gospel, not that he is the father of the gospel. I don't know what translation of the bible your reading, but all of them i check have it the first way, even my wifes old protestant translation.
   Why do you say that Paul was refering to a specific church, and specific group of people when telling women that they should learn in silence and submission, and to remain silent? Was it because it was intended just for this group at this time, or for everyone at all times?
   Do you not understand that when Jesus told the Pharisees
to not call anyone father, that He was refering to something they were doing at a specific time and place? That He was not condemning what they taught, but the fact that they themselves did't follow the rules they expected others to follow. The whole reason for Him telling them this was because
they didn't use the rules to obey God, but to make themselves look good. They were more interested in power,
wealth, and status and it was spreading to all the people.
    Paul was refering to himself as a spiritual father(leader)  to the early Christians just as priests are our spiritual fathers(leaders) in the Catholic and Orthodox churches.
   By saying that your bigoted and spreading hate, well i'm sorry if this offends you, but just look at the threads and posts you write and start.
   I believe that you are a Christian, a tad misguided, but a Christian none the less, as stated before only God really knows where your heart lies, it is Him that you will have to face someday, not me nor anyone else.
   Are you sure Michael said you don't know Christ, or did he say you don't know Christs words? Maybe he said it because your always telling everyone else they don't know Christ, and that they are not 'true Christians'. Hmm. just a thought.

Wrong again Heidi, i've not, nor have any of the other people
who you so boldly claim are not saved or not 'true Christians'
have ever said that YOU were not a Christian. You don't act like it most of the time, but nobody has said that you weren't.
As far as saying that you are lying, well what do you call it when someone delibretly spreads false information, based on their bigotry, hate and own personal agenda?
   I do not judge you, that is Gods job, pointing out that you're way off base, and full of false information is not judging
you. As stated before only God knows where your heart lies,
and what motives you have, i have never said that you were not a Christian, as you've done to anybody who disagrees w/ you.
   As far as the father issue goes, that also has to be taken into context w/ the whole bible. Do you agree? Or only when your back is against the wall and it suits your puspose?
  It is amazing how good you are at twisting things to fit your
interpretations, but dismissing everybody elses as bad fruit.

Yes Heidi, this is what myself and many others have been trying to tell you. You have to take ALL scripture into account. But why is it that it only applies to what you are being asked or to support your claims? When the bible says that women should be silent, you say there are other parts of scripture that support your claim that women are supposed to spread the word of God. Was Paul lying when he said this? Was he saying this to a particular group of people for some reason?
   Why when shown that Paul and others refered to themselves as father do you not understand that you have to take all of scripture into account? Does the bible contradict itself? Is there more than one way to interpret particular passages? Does everything have to be taken into account?
   I think you know the answers to these questions.But maybe your pride doesn't allow you to admit that sometimes
you might be wrong, or that your interpretation just might be
that, YOUR interpretation.
      You really do need to stop telling others who don't agree w/ you that they don't have the Holy Spirit, or that they are not true believers. Do you even understand that you've done this to some who have agreed w/ you on particular subjects?
Your not God, you have no right to judge the way you do, or to claim that others are not 'true Christians' because they disagree w/ you and your interpretation.
   

Heidi, you claim that you have no interpretations that disagree
w/ scripture? What about 1 Tim. 2:11-14 ?
   "Women should learn in silence and all humility. I do not allow them to teach or have authority over men; they must keep quiet. For Adam was created first, and then Eve. And it was not Adam who was deceived; it was the women who was decieved and broke Gods law."
   Now if you follow what these verses say, we should not be hearing anything from you correct? Or just what is your interpretation of these verses, does he not really mean what he is saying? Or is this a part of scripture that doesn't pertain
to you? Are you going against scripture?
     Just love your take on who causes strife and stirs the pot
around here. Whos name is at the start of many of the threads bashing what others believe? You my dear are a hypocrite in every sense of the word.

Or standing up to those who deliberately twist His words to fit their take on things and their personal agenda. Or standing up to those deliberately twist others beliefs, and refuse to listen when they are corrected on what they are mistakenly spreading as the truth.

Correction, you've seen other posts that agree w/ YOUR interpretation of Christs words. The reason you haven't seen any posts by ebia that contain Christs words is because you ignore them or twist them, just like you do anybody elses who doesn't agree w/ YOU.
        You say you don't know better than Jesus, but looking back at all your posts you sure seem to claim His job by telling everybody where their hearts are, who is and isn't a 'true Christian', judging others, telling others they don't have the Holy Spirit, etc. It seems to be just more of your   self rightous blather to me.
     

No, but you can sure tell where  his true love lies, it really does say it all. Just remember, but for the grace of God go i.  

Need i say more?
Just one more question though, do you actually read what others write? I haven't seen ANY indication that you do.
Because if you do, you would see that i have given far more scripture to back what i believe than you have, but i guess more lies never hurts, right?
 Open your eyes(ears)thats why God gave you two of them and only one mouth.