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16  Theology / General Theology / Re:Why so many? on: May 12, 2004, 11:24:03 PM
Yea Heidi, once again a little confusion on your part, look at the posts you've made, and the subjects you've started.
Now whos attacking who again? Please explain it w/ one of your wonderful explanations, they always make so much sense. Read what you wrote, "attacks only show frustration
at having nothing to say," WOW, bravo, i think you finally understand something, so when are you going to quit attacking, and making your hatefilled posts? So, assume what you want, it's one thing you are good at.
17  Theology / Debate / Re:Knowing Christ's words on: May 12, 2004, 11:07:21 PM
Yes Heidi i do believe Him. That is why i believe that it Is the body and blood of our Savior. Where do you get that i don't believe His words, it is you that is not reading everything He and the apostles said about the institution of the eucharist and what it means.
  ST. Ignatius(110 AD)
 " heretics abstain from Eucharist and from prayer, because
they do not confess that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ".
 St. Justin Martyr (150 AD)
   " not as common bread nor common drink do we receive
these; but as we have been taught, the food which has been made into the Eucharist by the Eucharistic prayer set down by
Him, and by the change of which our blood and flesh is nourished, is both the flesh and blood of that incarnated Jesus".
    St. Cyril of Jerusalem (350 AD)
"He himself, therfore , having declared and said of the bread, '
this is my body' who will dare any longer doubt? And when He Himself has affirmed and said 'this is my blood', who can ever hesitate and say it is not His blood?"
 ST. Cyril again,
     " Do not, therefore, regard the bread and wine as simply that, for they are, according to the Master's declaration,
the body and blood of Christ. Even though the senses suggest to you the other, let faith make you firm. Do not judge in this matter by taste, but be fully assured by faith, not doubting that you have been deemed worthy of the body and blood of Christ".
  So Heidi i believe every word He said about this, it is you that apparently does not. Why do you insist on telling everyone what they think and believe, and i'm not talking about just the Catholics either.
         Again i'll ask you to please take some time to study
what the early Christians taught and belived,(and i'm not talking about the ones from 1500-present). You'll find it doesn't really resemble what you've been led to believe Christianity is. There are volumes of writings from more of the Saints and early Church fathers, much like those above and from the same time frame, check them out. Hmm, but maybe
that's why you don't want to, it doesn't mesh w/ your interpretations.
18  Theology / General Theology / Re:Why so many? on: May 12, 2004, 07:44:07 PM
Yea, it's the Catholics who keep dividing and splitting into new sects and force all the protestant groups to keep fragmenting. Yea right, talk about some very confused and misdirected people, how about the fact that since the 'reformation' and the whole Bible alone theory came about,
all thats happened in protestant circles is that when there is a disagreement, well heck lets form our own group that teaches what we want to hear, and then when we have another disagreement, well no big deal we'll start a new group.
          There is a simple explanation of course, it doesn't work,
each group has bits and pieces of the truth, but not all, why else would there be so many different sects, each w/ their own ideas on salvation, rapture, communion, baptism, once saved always saved, and on and on.
        Talk about doctrines of men, and false teachings, but what do you expect when you get pride and egos involved.
After all that seems to be what drives a fair share of the people on this forum, they keep claiming all they're interested in is the truth, but due to poor information, poor knowledge of history, plain old bigotry, pride, egos, and just wanting to argue, they just keep spewing the same tired old stuff.
         It really is sad to see self professed 'true Christians' filled W/ such hate, bigotry,and misinformation, hopefully one day you will learn to act like the 'true Christians' you all profess to be, until that time some of us misinformed, idol worshipping, Bible burning, crusade causing Catholics will be praying for you.
       

   

19  Theology / Debate / Re:Knowing Christ's words on: May 12, 2004, 07:06:59 PM
There is a huge difference alright, we believe it is His body, because that is what He said it is. He didn't say this symbolizes or represents my body, He said "this IS my body".
Why is it that your so dead set on the whole father thing, you keep saying "because He said it", but when He say's "this IS my body", you think He means it symbolically?
  All the Christians from the time of Christ knew what he meant, and all have followed this teaching up until the last
few hundred years, when certain individuals and their followers
decided they knew more than everyone else, including the early christians.
          If he didn't mean it literally, then why didn't He stop
the followers who left due to it being too hard to accept? He could have stopped them and said " i only mean this symbolically" but he didn't did He? When Nicodemus misunderstood Jesus, He corrected him, when the samaritan women misunderstood Him at the well, he corrected her didn't
He? Why not in this case? More than likely because He meant
what he said.
               It shows your misunderstanding by your statement
"we can not get life from worldly food", we know that it is not
worldly food, but the body and blood of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. It couldn't be any clearer what He meant by all this, but again this is what happens when things are taken out of context.
20  Theology / Debate / Re:A Scene at the Great White Throne...Oops! on: May 12, 2004, 09:04:30 AM
Okay, we've passed ignorance and moved into the realm of stupidity, but coming from the sources, i guess we take it w/ a grain of salt.
21  Theology / Debate / Re:A Scene at the Great White Throne...Oops! on: May 10, 2004, 10:14:18 PM
A very wise man once said "never take personal offense at someone elses ignorance". I think that applies in this case.
  You have a wonderful day.
22  Theology / Debate / Re:Knowing Christ's words on: May 08, 2004, 10:53:23 AM
It's kind of like witnesses to a crime, or accident, you can have five people see the same thing, but all will have a little
different take on what happened.
        Likewise you can take the Bible, and have five different people read the same passages, and all have a little different understanding, and take on what it means. So which one is right and which ones are wrong? That might explain why there are so many different sects in the protestant faith community.
              Heidi, you've been givin more than ample explanations and biblical verses to point out why we do it,
You've already ignored them, so what are you going to ignore even better?
23  Theology / Debate / Re:True teachings vs. false teachings on: May 07, 2004, 11:25:38 AM
Whew, Heidi, are you God? Because you sure seem to know whats in everybodys hearts and minds.
   So when i call my father, father, i'm really referring to the word founder, as in he is the founder of modern me? Wow i've sure been off on that one for awhile now.
       That dictionary might clear up some of your confusion if you would just open it up.
24  Theology / Debate / Re:True teachings vs. false teachings on: May 06, 2004, 08:36:14 PM
Thank you Tibby, that darn work gets in the way of this important stuff sometimes.
25  Theology / Debate / Re:True teachings vs. false teachings on: May 06, 2004, 11:12:49 AM
We stand against teachings that contradict Christs words as well. That's why there have been councils over the years, to
refute false teachings and clear up any other misinformed ideas. We're also guided by the Holy Spirit, Jesus promised the gates of hell would not prevail against us, and we believe Him.
26  Theology / Debate / Re:Cults on: May 06, 2004, 10:17:52 AM
Thats because we just do lip service of course, you can spot
the 'true Christians' very easy on here ya know. Is that a bad apple or pear i smell?  
27  Theology / Debate / Re:True teachings vs. false teachings on: May 06, 2004, 09:05:34 AM
Yea, i'm out in left field, wrong again, i'm a first baseman.
And what's up w/ David Koresh all the time?
28  Theology / Debate / Re:Cults on: May 05, 2004, 09:55:38 PM
There seems to be only one subject that certain(look at who started the thread) people enjoy carrying on about. Of course
certain people believe Catholics are trying to pass themselves off as Christian.  
     It would be kind of nice to see some new topics come up
though wouldn't it?
29  Theology / General Theology / Re:The LIVING God on: May 05, 2004, 09:23:04 PM
And what's different about this post from all the others you've
started? Not attacking, just asking.
30  Theology / Debate / Re:True teachings vs. false teachings on: May 05, 2004, 08:42:03 PM
Well Heidi we can finally agree on one thing, we are certainly
bombarded w/ false teachings, sadly most of it is coming from you.
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