[whosoever will,]

The foreknowledge of God says that all and whosoever will
come to Christ are the saved and will take of the water of life freely. The "all" and "whosoever" that come to christ and obey God's word through Christ are the elect and predestined.
Elected and predestined because of obedience to God's will.

Revelation 22:17.  And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

Ollie,

You have already, You ignored my question, and gotten off the path, Foreknowledge is subject, in the discussion here.

My question is again,  Is foreknowledge to you, something that is acquired by God, because he sacanned the future to determine if Ollie, would choses Jesus, somtime during his life??

or,

Is the foreknowledge of God, one of foreknowing it bacuase be made the plan??  Without need to consult the furture.

The key verse to understanding this is Acts 2:23

In the light of scripture and what I have  given you;

Isa 46
9  Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,
10  Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

Eph 1
4  According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5  Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
7  In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, paccording to the riches of his grace;
9  Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
11  In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

Phil 2
13  For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.








Can't go any further until this is cleared up..

Here is an example of what I am saying;

If I make plans to go fishing tomorrow with you,
 
DO,  I foreknow it because;

I looked into the crystal ball of the future, and realized I am supposed to go fishing tomorrow,

or is it because;

I planned it??

No one that comes to Chirst ever planned to come to Christ humanly speaking, why am I saying this, because God say;

Rom 3
  10  As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
11  There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
12  They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
13  Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
14  Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
15  Their feet are swift to shed blood:
16  Destruction and misery are in their ways:
17  And the way of peace have they not known:
18  There is no fear of God before their eyes.
23  For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24  Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25  Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

Rom 5
12  Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Jhn 8
34  Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.[/b]

Rom 7
17  But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
18  Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
19  I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
20  For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.

Eph 2
2  Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
3  Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.


Jesus said no one can come to me unless the father draw him, and no one can know the father, but by the Son, neither can anyone know thre Son, but by the Father, and whoseever He wills.

Foreknowledge, has to do with election and predestination, those whom God called (the elect), He has predestinated to be confromed to the image of His Son

Rom 8
29  For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30  Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.


Can you honestly say, that one who was dead in sin, came to, be a, whosoever, of his own will and volition, voluntarily??

Or, was it because God miraculeously worked in his life to bring him, to be that whosoever person.

Please see, if you can answer my first question,

Does,  God foreknow because He made his Gosple plan, without consulting the future, or Does He FOREKNOW, because he planned it  with no regard for consultation with the others  (this is to say man, to see what man does first, then makes his plans).


Blessings,


Petro

[the commandments of the Lord.]

Ollie,

Good reminder, I was thinking, that it doesn't have to be a large number of persons either, quantityt means nothing,

For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.  Mat 18:20

So is it possible for a family of two to worship at home, and commune with the Lord, Absolutely!

I am afraid, we have been brain washed into believeing we must meet, with an ordanined pastor or preacher in our midst, in fact, alot of christians, would never even dream of attending a church, that doesn't have a big ten christian seminarian graduate as its leader.  This is bunk.

I am convinced, a simple gathering, where both share, what the Lord brings to mind, with a rememberance observance and elements, is sufficient to meet the words of the Lord, when He spoke to the samaritan woman.  

Who gauges the quality of these??   To determine if the gathering met the minimum qualifications to call it a worship service; it isn't no man on earth.

The desire to have things done a certain way is only evidence of someone wanting power over others.

I am in agreement with lightsavior, discernment is the gift, which must be excersized, as for woman pastors,

I have always wondered what these have done with the verse in 1 Cor 14:34, "woman are not even permitted to speak in church", (This is not saying a woman cannot speak to her husband or others, it means to teach the congregation)  

I don't understand why  the Lord set this commandment, but the verse that settles this matter in my mind is, only 3 verses away;

37  If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
38  But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.

The ignorant are them, that insist in attending a church gathering with a woman pastor, and being taught by her....

Blessings,

Petro

juan,

Actually I do see what you are saying.

And it is funny, when you think of it in that context, but in actuality one can also, see the other side of it also, no doubt they were crying as they rercounted all these things to Jesus, especially when they thought about what He looked like after having been beaten, as He was, the scripture says;


At ,Isa 53
2  For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.
3  He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
4  Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
5  But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

Imagine that, we are joint heirers with Him, according Rom 8:17.

One can even imagine their joy at seeing Him, and speaking to him somuchso, that they even walked back to tell the others that same night.,


Amen,

Petro

[after]

Hey Broken,

There are 3 major camps of thought as far as the end times:

Pre-Tribs or Premilinialists:  Christ will come and take all the believers away at the dawn of the start of the 7 year Tribulation callendar.  He will then return at the end of the 7 years to reign on earth for 1000 years.  Interpretation of the Revelations are taken as literal, in-your-face events...locust hoards and all.

Amilinialist:  They believe that we are currently living in the end times, and that the discriptions of Revelations are figurative in nature.  Christ will return at the appointed time, but that time is vague.

Post-millinialists:  They believe that Christ will return at the appointed time after the 7 year tribulation.  There is no "pre-millinial rapture".  Interpretation of the word follows along the same lines as the premils, but with that one exception.

I think there might be one other camp of thought out there, but it eludes me at present.  If there is anyone out there with a better discription or fells I'm wrong on my deffinitions above, feel free to correct/ammend me.

As far as why they believe what they do, there are certain factors that led to it:  1: Self discovery (they saw something within their own studies), 2: Church led (their church believes that it is translated like this...so therefore you should believe it also), and 3: Peer lead (Someone showed you something that made you believe).  But no matter what got them there, it all comes down to interpretation.  And that my friend is the rub, because it is a subject of hot and sometimes dividing debate.  People have lost faith because they argued this point.


For me, through a combination of peer and self study, I have come to the concusion that the pre-millinial interpretation is the right one, based on the fact that God has proven that His actions are not figurative...they are literal.  God didn't figuratively part the Red Sea, or send clouds of locust upon Egypt, or figuratively flood the world.  These are actual events that have substance.  So why wouldn't a army of horseman with mounts with snake tails, human heads, and breathing fire not a real thing???  With God, all things are possible!?!  Satan is real...Christ is real...so will the events of the Tribulation.

 

Post Millinialist, isn't that after the thousand year reign of Christ on Earth??

Petro

You know, I am hard on myself, and occasionally am hard on those who contend with me, in a manner, that tries to interject error for the truth, especially by those who call themselves christian, but I do it, for two reasons, one to get them to think, I am not sure I am able to accomplish that soemtimes, two, that they might see their error.

Now having said that, that just happens to be the way, I do it, you are more loving and understanding, while I don't have patience for some of the nonsense Christians, want to accept as inspired, and teach, you may not take the time to wrestle little with them, and would rather use words, the church already has enough heresies it needs to clean out of its house,
we don't need more, especially since by this age they are all established, and have been rejected over and over.

I press the matter to get confessions, because I want to hear it from their own lips..

I have always enjoyed a good arm bending wrestling contest, perhaps this is why the Lord has given me, these physical attributes, and the injuries that come with being physical.

Nevertheless, it was a good lesson for myself, as I was thinking on this matter, since it reminded me of my own children, how all of them are different, they all love their father, yet some take more liberties, where others don't at all, and yet we learn to be patient with all of them, knowing their strengths and weaknesses; encouraging them and occasionally having to correct them along lifes way, but never leaving nor forsaking them.

Besides you answered it yourself, when you spoke about knowing Him, more intimately, and therefore, being able to take liberties.

Remember this, the Lord knoweth His own, and He remembers our frame, that we are but dust, if it were not for His grace, He would consume all of us, when we sin, especially in the ignorance and liberty  we take, sometimes even assuming and presuming, that we are outside His everlasting gaze.


Blessings,

Petro

[little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.]

Ahhhhh!!  Conforter, welcome to the board;  already I like you..

The little horn of Daniel 7:8.

little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

9  I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
10  A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
11  I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

This will also, be the end of those who receives the mark of the beast.


I think I 've read this story, before...but I say lets review it, again!

Blessings,

Petro

[He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.]

Mahatma Gandhi, is given much credit for being a wise man.

His profession In that order,  sounds wise.....and....

It sounds to me like he covered his tracks pretty well..

But,..........(he doesn't have the last word)......... God says;

He taketh the wise in their own craftiness. 1 Cor 3:19

I can asure you, he might have been similing when he wrote these things; but (there is that word again)...he wont be, when he stands before the Throne of Judgment; far better it would have  been to stand at the Throne of Grace.



It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
(Heb 10:31)



Blessings,

Petro

"Once connected please upload your burden of SIN through the REPENTANCE  procedure."

  This is entirely true, however in simplicity we can see how a mind/heart in true need would find this a ridiculous thing to adhere to. When I was unsaved and a rebellious teenager I did not mind the christians who spoke of God in a light manner, because it "did harm" to the truth of God's word to be light in speech, and so it was easier to move it aside. The words of God spoken in great reverance, perhaps using the understanding of one's car repair or recall would be much more effective.

  Again I stress it was of no direct offence, but of passing intrigue to me that this seems right and wrong in the same second. I do not guess your place in God's great grace because you seem to understand what it is that saves. However, it also seems as if very little discernment was used in presenting the Gospel on the internet.

  Be that as it may, perhaps you have presented the Gospel many times in many different ways, and this is just another attempt to reach people, I do not know. It is simply interesting to me as I question the response from an unsaved person having read this. Perhaps they would be intrigued as well, I cant know. It seems that we should be simple and clear in our reverance. Using our understanding only slightly, allowing the Holy Spirit to use the Holy scriptures as was the purpose of keeping the kjv so in tune with the past translations from greek/hebrew.

  Just simple observations.

 God bless you all.

lightsavior,

I am reminded of what Paul says about the brethern, concerning sin, being sin to some while not to others and of course, if one finds something offensive, in depicting the gopsel or whatever, should  supposedly communicate the concern to His brother, but what you may see as offensive, isn't to others, and knowing Jason, from the board herein, even though we, have had some lively interchanges, he did not, present this gosple lightly at all, it appears to me there is nothing which he has said which can not be understood by those living today, and how it applys to the everyday living of it, and the blessings available to them that believe in God.

I myself have spoken on the owners manual of a new car, being similar to the Holy Bible, which informs the owner of the physical body one possess and the keeping of it according to the will of God, that is to say if the owner desires to have a healthy and fulfilled life, it is not the idea that the manual is equal to mans writings, but the message it gives the hearer of these words which the word of the creator intsructs man for righteous living, and gives the answers to all questions arising about life.

Now, the Apostle writes, the following;

Phil 1
14  And many of the brethren in the Lord, waxing confident by my bonds, are much more bold to speak the word without fear.
15  Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will:
16  The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds:
17  But the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel.
18  What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.

does this offend him, we can't answer that, but knowing Jason, we know his  motive behind the meassge, is Christ preached, you bet..

I can asure you this post in a secular forum, would have already been derided for its mere  religious  connotations;

 The Creator, Jesus, Atonement, Sin, Repentance,  not to mention;  love, joy, peace, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, patience, self-control.

They know...



Blessings,

Petro

Bronze Snake,

I tell you, the story is heart warming, and I know, what you are going thru, I had my own brother killed here not long ago.

And it is true, there are many out there who are hurting and going thru their own trials,  and on top of it all, when the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing imagine the delima.

It is important to help, others especially those of the household of God, and of course those who know not the Lord.

I'll be praying for your brothers family, and your fund raisers.

In Christ
Petro

[our church.]

texs...

Why does anyone have to change anything??

What can not be changed anyhow..

What you call symbolic is a remmebrance celebration of "Thanksgiving".

! Cor 11
26  For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till he come.


Why do religious people make more of it than what it is.

Because the natural man in them, wants to add his own two little mites into it..and turn it into something which gives tangible evidence,  of their hand in the matter.

This is why men proudly proclaim, this is the way, we do it at our church.

No more no less,


Petro

lightsavior,

I understand now what you are asking.

The problem is that the word "works" in the theology of religion, has become a bad word, used by those who hold to a works , faith gosple, of course the favorite verse for this thought is found in James 2.  

And, here the scriptures are not identifying a specific work whichg must be done, but simply making the statement, that those who trust God, will manifest it by producing His work, and that is "to believe in Him whom He has sent" (Jhn 6:29)

As I see it, all that is done to the glory of God, is the work of God given to men that ultimately He might be praised, and Glorified.

And it is all done by faith, for whatsoever in not of faith is sin..


Christians should work for the Lord, this is the reason why we are saved; we are the work of God created for the purpose of "Good Works" (Eph 2:10).

Our works should be motivated by love for God and for others not self interest (this is why I mentioned Motives).

Only by good works can the elect, reflect whose child they are, and whether they are being obedient to God (1 Jhn 3:1-10)  

Works also reflect the nature of the kind of faith that saves (James 2:14-26)

All Works will in the end be judged (1 Cor 3:13-15)

And reflects the measure of commitment, one has towards his Master..


Blessings

Petro

Wel, I didn't figure anyone would respond of this subject, further,  but I did want to confess something;

I always have wondered, where and when Mary Magdalen and Mary got the sweet spices, they brought with them, on the first day of the week?

But I never let that distract me, from what the scriptures teach, concerning this point..of the Resurrection.

Blessings,
Petro

Before launching on a survey, it would seem to me, one must define "WORK"

And what is of God, and what isn't??

No one is saved by Works, this is clear from scripture, yet,

the natural man in us, wants to work, to achieve what is not able to be achieved by any type of human work.

So, the problem and danger is this, that the relative good, a man is able to do, he might  consider ultimate good.

Yet the only ultimate good any man can do is when he does all things for the glory of God.

So motive is very much a part of the equation, which distorts the object of ones faith.

What works are you speaking of??


Blessings,

Petro

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Jason,

I must give credit where credit is do, this is a very good analogy,  Very Good, Roght on the Money..


Thanks,

Petro

[And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.]

Genesis 22:18.  And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.

Some questions.

God has revealed that He foreknows that in Abraham's seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed. This because of Abraham's obedience.
Did God foreknow Abraham's obedience?
Did He have to see if Abraham would obey before He had this forknowledge of all the nations being blessed?

Ollie

Ollie,

God had already declared Abram, righteous,

Gen 15
6  And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.
18  In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:

His name wasn't changed until, he was given a knew name, and the covenant concerning what you have raise, was made with him (that of: all the nations of the earth being blessed in him ,bacause of his obediance)

Gen 12
12:1  Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will show thee:
2  And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
3  And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
4  So Abram departed, as the LORD had spoken unto him; and Lot went with him: and Abram was seventy and five years old when he departed out of Haran.
5  And Abram took Sarai his wife, and Lot his brother's son, and all their substance that they had gathered, and the souls that they had gotten in Haran; and they went forth to go into the land of Canaan; and into the land of Canaan they came.
6  And Abram passed through the land unto the place of Sichem, unto the plain of Moreh. And the Canaanite was then in the land.
7  And the LORD appeared unto Abram, and said, Unto thy seed will I give this land: and there builded he an altar unto the LORD, who appeared unto him.
8  And he removed from thence unto a mountain on the east of Bethel, and pitched his tent, having Bethel on the west, and Hai on the east: and there he builded an altar unto the LORD, and called upon the name of the LORD.
9  And Abram journeyed, going on still toward the south.

Abram, could have chosen not to go, yet he did..

Where do you read God foreknew Abraham would obey??

If He foreknew anything about Abraham, it was because He predetermined it..

This what the scripture says about this matter;

Rom 8
28  And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29  For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30  Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Was not Abram called to go..

Sorry?, wrong key stroke, and it posted before I was done..

This is the question you need to settle in your mind,

If God formulated His plan, then He is under obligation to bring it to fruition, otherwise, He is a false God.

The question, which is more important than the one you ask, is;

Did He chose Abraham, because He foreknew, that Abraham would obey Him, by looking forward in time??

What does God say; about Abraham??

Gen 17
1  And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.
2  And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly.
3  And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying,
4  As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.
5  Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.
6  And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee.
7  And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.
8  And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.
9  And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations.
10  This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.
11  And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.

God made His covenant with Abram, before Abram obeyed, in Gen 12, God simply said to him, " Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will show thee:" Gen 12:1.

And God even promised to make him a great nation and to make a covenant with him, before Abram, did anything.

At Gen 17:5, God changed his name to Abraham, the result of the covenant which he had stated he would make with him, at Gen 12, when he called him out of the UR of the Chaldees.


Gen 18
19  For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the LORD, to do justice and judgment; that the LORD may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him.

God said all this before God tested Abram; before he obeyed, whereby God used this testing to declare Abraham Justified by faith

Gen 22
1  And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am.

And then Paul says in;

Heb 11
17  By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son.
18  Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:
19  Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.

Rom 4
3  For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
6  Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
7  Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8  Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
9  Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.
10  How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.
11  And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
12  And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.
13  For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
14  For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:
15  Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
16  Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
17  (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.
18  Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations, according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be.
19  And being not weak in faith, he considered not his own body now dead, when he was about an hundred years old, neither yet the deadness of Sarah's womb:
20  He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
21  And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.
22  And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
23  Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
24  But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;


Blessings

Petro

If God caused men of old to prophecy, the Judas Iscariot, would deliver the Lord to be cruxified, hundreds of years before Judas was born, it was a settled fact Judas would be that traitor which would hand him, over.

Was it by chance he didn't break his leg, going down the stairs, on that mission the night he dleivered him to the jews, after eating the passover supper with Him, in the upper room?

Or was Jesus "delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God," as written in Acts 2:23.??