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Seven Tides
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« Reply #30 on: September 01, 2003, 10:25:15 PM »

Ephesians 2:5
5Even when we were dead in
sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye
are saved;
)


Ephesians 2:8,9
8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the
gift of God:


9Not of works, lest any man
should boast.
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John the Baptist
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« Reply #31 on: September 02, 2003, 05:00:55 AM »

Ephesians 2:5
5Even when we were dead in
sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye
are saved;
)


Ephesians 2:8,9
8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the
gift of God:

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J/t/B here:
You seem to miss the point all together if you are saying that TRUE SAVING 'FAITH'  IS ALONE!!? Are you BORN AGAIN???

There is just NO SUCH thing as SAVING FAITH BEING ALONE!! LOVE IS THE [MOTIVE], but it still is not to be SILENT IN NO/OBEDIENCE! See Rev. 3:16-17's Lukewarn sickening stuff! Spewed OUT the Master's Word says!
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9Not of works, lest any man
should boast.

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Seven Tides
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« Reply #32 on: September 02, 2003, 03:48:08 PM »

Ephesians 2:5
5Even when we were dead in
sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye
are saved;
)


Ephesians 2:8,9
8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the
gift of God:

******
J/t/B here:
You seem to miss the point all together if you are saying that TRUE SAVING 'FAITH'  IS ALONE!!? Are you BORN AGAIN???

There is just NO SUCH thing as SAVING FAITH BEING ALONE!! LOVE IS THE [MOTIVE], but it still is not to be SILENT IN NO/OBEDIENCE! See Rev. 3:16-17's Lukewarn sickening stuff! Spewed OUT the Master's Word says!
*********

9Not of works, lest any man
should boast.


Of course you need more than just faith, but through grace
you are saved. Yes, works do come, once you accept the
Lord through grace by faith. And you also come to the Lord
in full repentance. I'm just stating what the Word says.

May the Lord Jesus Christ bless you richly.
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John the Baptist
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« Reply #33 on: September 02, 2003, 04:31:46 PM »

Ephesians 2:5
5Even when we were dead in
sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye
are saved;
)


Ephesians 2:8,9
8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the
gift of God:

******
J/t/B here:
You seem to miss the point all together if you are saying that TRUE SAVING 'FAITH'  IS ALONE!!? Are you BORN AGAIN???

There is just NO SUCH thing as SAVING FAITH BEING ALONE!! LOVE IS THE [MOTIVE], but it still is not to be SILENT IN NO/OBEDIENCE! See Rev. 3:16-17's Lukewarn sickening stuff! Spewed OUT the Master's Word says!
*********

9Not of works, lest any man
should boast.


Of course you need more than just faith, but through grace
you are saved. Yes, works do come, once you accept the
Lord through grace by faith. And you also come to the Lord
in full repentance. I'm just stating what the Word says.

May the Lord Jesus Christ bless you richly.
******
 Smiley 'i' just wanted the rest of the story! These'ons sometimes think that Salvation has NO Covenant Conditions. Think of Matt. 4:6 with the 'd'evil quoting scripture to the Word Himself, and with just the promise! Christ 'needed' old testament backup to have TRUTH applied! See Psalms 91:11 & then Deut.6:16 i think, for the promise & then Christ's responce?

By the way, regardless,  i was only responding to the post.

---John
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« Reply #34 on: September 02, 2003, 06:23:03 PM »

Dear John

Man does not LIVE BY BREAD ALONE, "[BUT BY EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDETH OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD]" That is conclusive! All Scripture! See 2 Tim. 3:16. The Gospel IS EVERLASTING & THE COVENANT IS EVERLASTING! How does one KNOW THIS if one DOES NOT LIVE BY EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDETH OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD? Why is the Bible CALLED THE WORD OF GOD?? See John 1:1-14.

       John, like I said before, those are good analogies but again, what does that has to do with Salvation?  WHere does it say in Mt 4:4, 2 Timothy 3:16, and John 1:1-14 that you have to be obedient to be saved?  Does it indicate that in the passage itself?  How about the verses around that passage?  I think you are reading in those passages because the thought of obedience is in grained or imprinted in your way of thinking.  By that, every verse that has an instruction, a law, or a statute, you will read in, "...or else..."
       All passages that instruct are good to follow, but they were never meant to be used as the means to be worthy of eternal life.  However, before grace, it was like that.  Romans 2:6 clearly says, It is the hearers of the law and not the doers that are just before God.  However, later on in verse 19-24 (keep in mind, this is the moral law, not cereminial)
, Paul points out that even the Jews who are Not by Nature, sinners like the Gentiles could not follow the Law perfectly and in consenquence, they stain the name of the Lord to the gentiles.  In a passage in Deuteronomy, curse is the man who dooes not keep the whole law.  So who can be justified?  Not even the Jews can keep it.  That is why in Romans 3:19-20:

19   Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
20   Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

       Now if you are going to say that since now, we have Jesus, you've lost the whole point of grace!  Grace in the Bible, means Undeserved Kindness; so if we are saved by Grace, we are saved not because we did our best or we remained faithful, otherwise, we didn't need it.

Agur
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"Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."
Proverbs 30:4 & Ephesians 2:8-9
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