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« on: April 28, 2005, 10:20:16 AM »

My prayer request is for Ricky Rupert and Zachary Harris two men arrested for attempting to spread the Good News.  Their courage for Christ should be celebrated, and we should ask God to intervene in their determent and detention.  Their story:

http://www.cnsnews.com//ViewForeignBureaus.asp?Page=\ForeignBureaus\archive\200504\FOR20050428a.html

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« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2005, 01:41:47 PM »

Praying, for Ricky Rupert and Zachary Harris.
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« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2005, 12:57:55 AM »

Here also brother.. and for the rest on C.U

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« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2005, 11:45:18 PM »

JudgeNot,

Brother, I had no idea until recently how many are put in prison, beaten, tortured, and killed for JESUS every single day. I pray for hosts every day and give thanks that God allows us peace and safety to worship Him.

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« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2005, 02:09:14 PM »

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The main complaint falls under section 298(a) of the country's penal code, he said, which prohibits causing "disharmony, disunity, or feelings of enmity, hatred or ill-will, or prejudicing ... the maintenance of harmony or unity on grounds of religion."

Seem pretty laget to me. If a Muslim went to a Local Church here in East Texas, they would be LUCKY to have to cops called on them for disterbing the peace or Lotering! Most likely, the good ol' boys would roll up in there one ton dullies and beat the tar out of them. Personally, I would be rather unpleased with someone from another Faith that is the closest thing to a rival we have standing on my church doorstep, herassing us as we walk out! Sorry, guys, I'm going to have to side with the Muslims on this one, I too would call the cops and send those nuts to jail! Undecided
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« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2005, 05:56:07 PM »

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The main complaint falls under section 298(a) of the country's penal code, he said, which prohibits causing "disharmony, disunity, or feelings of enmity, hatred or ill-will, or prejudicing ... the maintenance of harmony or unity on grounds of religion."

Seem pretty laget to me. If a Muslim went to a Local Church here in East Texas, they would be LUCKY to have to cops called on them for disterbing the peace or Lotering! Most likely, the good ol' boys would roll up in there one ton dullies and beat the tar out of them. Personally, I would be rather unpleased with someone from another Faith that is the closest thing to a rival we have standing on my church doorstep, herassing us as we walk out! Sorry, guys, I'm going to have to side with the Muslims on this one, I too would call the cops and send those nuts to jail! Undecided

Tibby,

That could apply to missionaries all over the world trying to point the lost to Christ. In fact, it will apply one day to the world, and Christians will be hunted, persecuted, imprisoned, and killed. Bible prophecy clearly foretells this, and it's already started. Bible prophecy also states that the death of hosts of Christians trying to share the Good News will never stop it. Regardless of how bad this world gets, there will always be many willing to die to share Jesus. The devil will never be able to stop it. Faith does come by hearing, and the Word of God will be given, regardless of how many armies stand against it.

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« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2005, 11:43:43 PM »

If I'm in a foxhole, and a machine gunner starts firing at me from 100 yards, rushing the bunker with the machine gun is not the answer. They could have done it somewhere else. Doing it where they did it is just going to make people angry, of course they would get arrested. And because they did that, we have 2 less people out working for the kingdom of God!
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« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2005, 12:21:12 AM »

If I'm in a foxhole, and a machine gunner starts firing at me from 100 yards, rushing the bunker with the machine gun is not the answer. They could have done it somewhere else. Doing it where they did it is just going to make people angry, of course they would get arrested. And because they did that, we have 2 less people out working for the kingdom of God!

Tibby,

I read the article again, slowly this time, and I see what you are talking about.

 Wink  CHARGE!

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« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2005, 01:55:42 PM »

I'm just saying, there are smarter way to tell people abou the Gospel... The article talked about a few LEGAL ways to tell people about Christ. Why not use thoses? If the Gospel is really this great truth that we claim it is, I think it has the power to work THROUGH to laws of the land. I think I gog will make a way that DOESN'T involve ticking off the people you are tryign to save, making them even less interested in hearing you out next time... Undecided
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« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2005, 08:45:54 PM »

Many a machine gun nest has been destroyed by a person or persons rushing it. Sometimes it is quite effective.

The article does not tell everything about the laws in Malaysia. In Malaysia even if you witness in the "legal" ways if it involves a Muslim and the Muslim converts, then that person and the person that converted them can and will be imprisoned and sometimes killed.

Spreading the Word of God has always had its hazards are we to take the easy way out all the time. If we did then the Word would never get out.

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« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2005, 11:37:15 PM »

Amen PR.
I wish I could be more courageous.  Don't we all?
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« Reply #11 on: May 03, 2005, 03:16:24 PM »

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"The constitution provides for freedom of religion; however, it recognizes Islam as the country's official religion and the practice of Islamic beliefs other than Sunni Islam is significantly restricted," the State Department says in its most recent report on global religious freedom."    So then Muslim citizens of that country have less rights than others.  

"The state's attitude towards religions other than Islam has caused some confusion, most recently when a government minister declared in parliament early this month that the distribution of Bibles in the Malay language was illegal, as it could be construed as trying to spread Christianity to Malay Muslims."

"Prime Minister Abdullah Badawi then issued a statement saying while there was no ban on Bibles published in Bahasa Malay language, they had to be stamped with the words "Not for Muslims."

The solution might be to support internet ministries and satellite television  but that is not accessible to most people.

Muslims have been told that if they read the Bible, they will lose their faith.  That is true.

Muslim governments =  enemies of Christ
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« Reply #12 on: May 03, 2005, 05:25:01 PM »

Many a machine gun nest has been destroyed by a person or persons rushing it. Sometimes it is quite effective.

Yeah, at what cost? Go watch Saving Prvt Ryan and get back to me. Do you know how many men died at normady? Over 3,000 American boys went home in a body bag! Who is going to tell the widows and orphens that the head of their home died in an "effective" tactical manover? No, a Nuke is effective, a bum rush is just bloody. More meat for the grinder, is that it? Let's just run all of God Army through the Chain gun of Muslim legal systems till their is on one left to take the Bunker! People with the will to do true mission work are few and far between, and we don't need to be wasting them like this!


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The article does not tell everything about the laws in Malaysia.

Thats right, it is just a small article, it doesn't give us the whole story from either angle, however, seeing as the article is clearly bias AGAINST Malaysia, it seems locgical to assume they would put up as many laws that would make Malaysia look bad as they could. Their is clearly spin in the direction of the Missionaries.


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Spreading the Word of God has always had its hazards are we to take the easy way out all the time. If we did then the Word would never get out.

Thats right. Very hazardous! Like a fire. A fire is a hazard, but you're never going to see a firefighter just run in, in street clothes, by himself as if we was picking up a pizza! No, he has all the right gear, and a small army of people supporting him inside and out, to make sure he doesn't get hurt! Sure, things happen, but when you're doing something dangerous, it is a good idea NOT to do stupid things (like badgering people who hate you in front of their holy building, or running into a fire with jeans and a tee, without any support) and increase the danger! Some jobs require an amount of risk, which is why one needs to take that much, if not more, of an amount of percautions. And I think avoiding the Muslims place of Worship is not just a good idea, but a respectful thing to do! With Christians in these Muslim countries showing all this disrespect as those 2 did, Of course they arn't going to listen to us! We didn't respect them, why do they have any reason to respect us?


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Muslims have been told that if they read the Bible, they will lose their faith.  That is true.

Muslim governments =  enemies of Christ

M, the Muslims veiw our Government as enemies of God. This idea you are expressing is the very same kind of mindset that fueled the attacks of 911. Mainstream Christianity holds a similer "if you read, you are in sin" policy for many different aspects of our own culture. I'm willing to bet the majority of Christian parents would not be to pleased to find a highlighted, note-filled Koran in their childs room, would they? How about a Satanic bible? How about a Book of Morons? What about one of L. Ron Hubbards books? How about the Book of the Dead? How about the Tao te Ching? The average Christian and Muslim parent would have the very same feelings about finding the holy book of another culture in their home.
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« Reply #13 on: May 03, 2005, 11:27:25 PM »

Tibby, this is the prayer thread and not the debate thread so I will refrain from any further discussion on this subject here but I will respond to you in the debate thread if you wish to join me there.

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« Reply #14 on: May 03, 2005, 11:40:16 PM »

Sure, why not. Go for it.
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