How Could We Trust God If...

[Bronzesnake]

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.  

Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:  

Rom 11:27 For this [is] my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.  

 Gen 17:7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.  

Gen 17:8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.  

 These verses clearly describe a promise that God made with the Jews. Some of us believe God has broken that promise.

 Here's the question...

 If God has broken that promise - for whatever reason - then what makes us so sure He won't break His promise to us?

 Bronzesnake

[Bronzesnake]

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.  

Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:  

Rom 11:27 For this [is] my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.  

 Gen 17:7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.  

Gen 17:8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.  

 These verses clearly describe a promise that God made with the Jews. Some of us believe God has broken that promise.

 Here's the question...

 If God has broken that promise - for whatever reason - then what makes us so sure He won't break His promise to us?

 Bronzesnake

Bronzesnake, God has not broken His promises to the Jews, He never has and He never will.  My Lord and God will never break a promise, to either you or me brother, because He is a great and wonderful God.  There has never been a place in my life where God has failed, and I don't find even one place in the bible where He has failed in regards to the Jews either.

The Jewish nation has a special place in the heart of Yahweh, and I thank God that I have a special place there too.

be blessed  

Silver

 AMEN SILVER!!!

 You just made my point! I was waiting for someone to respond to this, however, I doubt that the few folks here who don't believe God will keep His promise to the Jews will be able to answer this question.

Thank you Silver.

Bronzesnake

[Mrs.Chosen]

ok you want me here, and I'm here  


Blind for a time and a purpose. The jews were blind for a reason. We are the reason. But follow me to Acts where I can clearly show you the blinders must come off.


 11Now as the lame man who was healed held on to Peter and John, all the people ran together to them in the porch which is called Solomon's, greatly amazed. 12So when Peter saw it, he responded to the people: "Men of Israel, why do you marvel at this? Or why look so intently at us, as though by our own power or godliness we had made this man walk? 13The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers, glorified His Servant Jesus, whom you delivered up and denied in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let Him go. 14But you denied the Holy One and the Just, and asked for a murderer to be granted to you, 15and killed the Prince of life, whom God raised from the dead, of which we are witnesses. 16And His name, through faith in His name, has made this man strong, whom you see and know. Yes, the faith which comes through Him has given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.
    17"Yet now, brethren, I know that you did it in ignorance, as did also your rulers. 18But those things which God foretold by the mouth of all His prophets, that the Christ would suffer, He has thus fulfilled. 19Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, 20and that He may send Jesus Christ, who was preached to you before,[a] 21whom heaven must receive until the times of restoration of all things, which God has spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began. 22For Moses truly said to the fathers, "The LORD your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your brethren. Him you shall hear in all things, whatever He says to you. 23And it shall be that every soul who will not hear that Prophet shall be utterly destroyed from among the people.' 24Yes, and all the prophets, from Samuel and those who follow, as many as have spoken, have also foretold[c] these days. 25You are sons of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying to Abraham, "And in your seed all the families of the earth shall be blessed.'[d] 26To you first, God, having raised up His Servant Jesus, sent Him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from your iniquities."

Acts 3:11-26 (New King James Version)
Vearse 17 and 18 are very important. It says you were blind and I understand, but now you must see so that you may be saved!

[Bronzesnake]

Hello Lisa my sister.


 You didn't really answer the question my sister.

 If God has broken that promise - for whatever reason - then what makes us so sure He won't break His promise to us?

Look at the verse you posted lisa. I will hilite  some things which you may have missed.

 17"Yet now, brethren, I know that you did it in ignorance, as did also your rulers. 18But those things which God foretold by the mouth of all His prophets, that the Christ would suffer, He has thus fulfilled.

 This verse described the fullment of the crucifixion. Jews who accepted Jesus will be Raptured out of the seven year Tribulation. The Jews who rejected Jesus because God had "blinded" them for His purpose - will remain "blinded" until the fullfillment of the Gentiles. That happens when Jesus returns, and ALL ISRAEL will be forgiven and saved. The verse you posted corroborates this Lisa. Look at the last few lines in that verse.


 25You (Jews) are sons of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying to Abraham, "And in your seed all the families of the earth shall be blessed.'[d] 26 To you (JEWS) first, God, having raised up His Servant Jesus, sent Him to bless you (JEWS), in turning away every one of you from your iniquities."

 So, I ask you again...
If God has broken that promise - for whatever reason - then what makes us so sure He won't break His promise to us?

 Bronzesnake

[Soldier4Christ]

I have been debating with myself as to whether I should or should not get involved with this "conversation". I still am not sure that I want to go full blown on the subject but I will say this much. God does keep ALL of his promises.

It is in Romans where we are told that "all Israel will be saved". It is also in Romans where we are told, "For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel".

We must also take another portion of Romans into account where we are told, " Rom 2:28  For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Rom 2:29  But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God. "

[Bronzesnake]

I have been debating with myself as to whether I should or should not get involved with this "conversation". I still am not sure that I want to go full blown on the subject but I will say this much. God does keep ALL of his promises.

It is in Romans where we are told that "all Israel will be saved". It is also in Romans where we are told, "For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel".

We must also take another portion of Romans into account where we are told, " Rom 2:28  For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Rom 2:29  But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God. "

 Yes Pastor Roger, you make some good points. So I will modify my assertion.

 Those who God knows as "Jews" will ALL be forgiven and saved. That includes those who He blinded until the fullfillment of the Gentiles.

 Is this middle ground?

Bronzesnake

[Reba]

Gen 17:14

14 And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.
KJV

Jer 11:10

10 They are turned back to the iniquities of their forefathers, which refused to hear my words; and they went after other gods to serve them: the house of Israel and the house of Judah have broken my covenant which I made with their fathers.
KJV


God doesn't break His covenant man does.

[Joshua]

I read all of these posts, And I cannot see how God has broken his promise. Maybe its me, but I don't know. PLease fill me in on how he broke his promise.  

[Soldier4Christ]

God has not broken his promise in keeping th covenant or in anything els. As Reba showed with the verses that she quoted it is man that has broken that covenant not God.

[Bronzesnake]

God has not broken his promise in keeping th covenant or in anything els. As Reba showed with the verses that she quoted it is man that has broken that covenant not God.

 Amen Pastor Roger.
I'm glad you pointed that out, because I don't want Reba to think I go against everything she posts.
Men brake promises - God does not.

Joshua  quote...

I read all of these posts, And I cannot see how God has broken his promise. Maybe its me, but I don't know. PLease fill me in on how he broke his promise.

 The qeustion is rhetorical my friend. God does not - and will not brake any promises He has made. The reason I started this thread was to point that out. As you cab see, some folks post verses such as...

 10 They are turned back to the iniquities of their forefathers, which refused to hear my words; and they went after other gods to serve them: the house of Israel and the house of Judah have broken my covenant which I made with their fathers.

 in order to "prove" that the Old Covenant has been broken by God. It is not God who has broken His promise - He will keep it - it was men who didn't keep their end of the bargan. Is God equal with men that He should break His promises also?...
I think not.

Bronzesnake

[Mrs.Chosen]

Bronze you have to be kidding me!!! All this time and now you say "So I will modify my assertion.

Those who God knows as "Jews" will ALL be forgiven and saved"

This is what I was trying to say the whole time!!!!! There are jews that GOD has chosen!!! The are Jews inwardly like the scriptures says. And they have believed!! Look at acts. Acts proves that all jews are not still blind. Because if that were the case they would not had been asking "What must we do?"
They would still be bumping into walls due to their blindness.

I'm so glad you found your common ground!! I was not goona let you go

[Bronzesnake]

Bronze you have to be kidding me!!! All this time and now you say "So I will modify my assertion.

Those who God knows as "Jews" will ALL be forgiven and saved"

This is what I was trying to say the whole time!!!!! There are jews that GOD has chosen!!! The are Jews inwardly like the scriptures says. And they have believed!! Look at acts. Acts proves that all jews are not still blind. Because if that were the case they would not had been asking "What must we do?"
They would still be bumping into walls due to their blindness.

I'm so glad you found your common ground!! I was not goona let you go

 Whoa! Hold the parade my sister!  

My point is that just because a person says he's Jewish doesn't make him a Jew. Only God can know for certain. There are many Gentiles who are circumcised - they are not Jews - there are many folks who blow from one religion to another, searching for the one that fits their needs it's a certainty that many of these people have converted to Judaism - they would not be considered Jews - being Jewish is a decendancy - not a choice.

 That was my assertion.

Sorry to get you all sweaty and stuff!  

Bronzesnake

[Reba]

God has not broken his promise in keeping th covenant or in anything els. As Reba showed with the verses that she quoted it is man that has broken that covenant not God.

 Amen Pastor Roger.
I'm glad you pointed that out, because I don't want Reba to think I go against everything she posts.
Men brake promises - God does not.

Joshua  quote...

I read all of these posts, And I cannot see how God has broken his promise. Maybe its me, but I don't know. PLease fill me in on how he broke his promise.

 The qeustion is rhetorical my friend. God does not - and will not brake any promises He has made. The reason I started this thread was to point that out. As you cab see, some folks post verses such as...

 10 They are turned back to the iniquities of their forefathers, which refused to hear my words; and they went after other gods to serve them: the house of Israel and the house of Judah have broken my covenant which I made with their fathers.

 in order to "prove" that the Old Covenant has been broken by God. It is not God who has broken His promise - He will keep it - it was men who didn't keep their end of the bargan. Is God equal with men that He should break His promises also?...
I think not.

Bronzesnake

God has not broken his promise in keeping th covenant or in anything els. As Reba showed with the verses that she quoted it is man that has broken that covenant not God.

 

Amen Pastor Roger.
I'm glad you pointed that out, because I don't want Reba to think I go against everything she posts.
Men brake promises - God does not.

I dont understand Bronze.

[Bronzesnake]

Reba...you don't understand???

 I though we were debating on opposite sides of this "Jews and the promise" thing Reba? Did you post that verse to make my point?

Bronzesnake

[Reba]

I posted those verses to plainly show mans breaks God's covenant God doesn't just like Pastor Roger said.