Hello Lisa my sister.
I will try (again) to show you that ALL Jews will be forgiven and saved. But first, I would like to get a grip on how you view the Rapture.
You said...
Now with that said I do believe in the rapture and I know we will see it. I'll refrase my statement. We may or may not be alive when Jesus comes back. This is what I ment.
The Rapture happens before Jesus returns. The dead in Christ will rise first, then, those which are alive at that time will rise up together with them to meet Jesus in the air. From there Raptured Christians remain with Jesus in Heaven for the entire seven year Tribulation. When Jesus returns after the seven years, we return with Him, and rule with Him for 1,000 years.
So, I don't know what you mean when you make that comment on the Rapture. All saved Christians will be Raptured.
(Luke 13)
21Not everyone who calls me their Lord will get into the kingdom of heaven. Only the ones who obey my Father in heaven will get in.
This does not say except the jews, they will get in regardless.
Lisa, this verse is used in reference to non Jewish people who claim to be Christians for their own selfish reasons - such as false healers - and scamers who take peoples money in the name of Jesus.
We know this can not possibly apply to Jews because God says ALL Jews will be forgiven and saved.
Let me attempt to lay out God's plan of redemption of both Jews and Gentiles in as short a span as I can.
(Bronzesnake takes in a very deep breath and holds it in......Bronzesnake begins to attempt a seemingly impossible task, while slowly releasing his breath)
Gen 12:1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
Abram was a Hebrew who God singled out to use as a conduit for His great plan of redemption (more on this later)Gen 12:2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
Self evident verse. Gen 12:3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee:
and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed. This is a key verse Lisa. This is a great prophecy which proves that all families (Jew and gentile) would be blessed because of Abram and his descendants. (more on this later)Gen 12:7 And the LORD appeared unto Abram, and said, Unto thy seed will I give this land: and there builded he an altar unto the LORD, who appeared unto him.
Jesus physically appeared to AbramGen 15:18 In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying,
Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:
Gen 17:2 And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly.
God is being very specific here - He is making a special covenant between Himself and Abram's descendants (Jews) Gen 17:3 And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying,
Gen 17:4 As for me, behold, my covenant [is] with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.
Gen 17:5 Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.
God gives Abram a new name.Jesus did this with His desciples, in order to distinguish them as His ownGen 17:6 And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee.
Gen 17:7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations
for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee,
and to thy seed after thee.
Lisa, read this verse very carefully and think about what is going on here. Think about what God has just promised to Abram and all his future generations. Gen 17:8 And I will give unto thee,
and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for
an everlasting possession;
and I will be their God. Gen 17:19 And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name
Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for
an everlasting covenant, [and] with his seed after him.
God goes out of His way to reaffirm His special covenant with His one chosen people (Jews) God never made this promise to any other peoples - exclusively the Jews.Gen 22:1 And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, [here] I [am].
Gen 22:2 And he said, Take now thy son, thine only [son] Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.
Gen 22:3 And Abraham rose up early in the morning, and saddled his ass, and took two of his young men with him, and Isaac his son, and clave the wood for the burnt offering, and rose up, and went unto the place of which God had told him.
God has asked Abraham to do the unthinkable, and Abraham obeys!Gen 22:10 And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son.
Gen 22:11 And the angel of the LORD called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here [am] I.
Gen 22:12 And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only [son] from me.
Gen 22:13 And Abraham lifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold behind [him] a ram caught in a thicket by his horns: and Abraham went and took the ram, and offered him up for a burnt offering in the stead of his son.
God provides a sacrafice as a foreshadow of Jesus the Lamb. Gen 22:15 And the angel of the LORD called unto Abraham out of heaven the second time,
Gen 22:16 And said, By myself have I sworn, saith the LORD, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only [son]:
Gen 22:17 That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which [is] upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;
Gen 22:18 And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.
Do you understand what God is saying here Lisa? The Jews are God's "chosen people" He chose the Jews. Through this "chosen" bloodline, came the Messiah Jesus. Jesus was a Jew - not an African - not an Englishman - not a Chinaman - not an Indian - you see where I'm going here? God's plan of redemption would only work if there was a Christ who would be rejected. This is extremely important to understand. If Jesus was not rejected, He would not have been crucified - If Jesus was not crucified, we would be doomed.
God CHOSE the Jews so that through the Jewish bloodline Jesus would become a man-Christ - the Jews HAD TO REJECT HIM - this was part of God's plan all along! The Jews would suffer greatly because of this covenant with God - That's why God made the promises with the Jews - He promised them that, They would be His conduit for redemption through the Jewish bloodline - for all humanity! So God told the Jews that they would be forgiven and saved because they are His chosen people through which all humanity would receive a chance at salvation!
This is almost impossible to express in such a short space, but I believe I have done a fairly good job of laying out specific details in relation to the two covenants and God's method of salvation for Jews and Gentiles.
Bronzesnake
