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Re:CHRIST OR the devil
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Quote from: blackeyedpeas on February 20, 2005, 03:48:29 PM
Bronzesnake,
Brother, I have studied bible prophecy for many years, but that does not imply that I understand all of it. The easiest parts to understand and accept are the Promises of Almighty God. A promise made thousands of years ago will be a promise kept completely and perfectly. I simply consider the Promises of Almighty God to be done at His appointed time.
Israel's greatest suffering is yet to come. When one considers the great suffering just in the last 100 years, it's difficult to understand how much greater suffering and punishment is yet to come. Israel's disobedience did not go unpunished. HOWEVER, every Promise Almighty God made to Israel will be kept most completely and perfectly.
Israel's greatest punishment is yet to come, but so is the restoration of Israel. The greatest battles of all times will be against Israel, and JESUS will fight on the side of Israel. Israel will win because of JESUS, not because of the might and power of Israel, rather because of the MIGHT AND POWER OF JESUS. Israel's King, JESUS CHRIST, will take HIS earthly throne in Jerusalem and rule and reign over the earth from the Throne of David. The Heavenly Throne and Earthly Throne of JESUS CHRIST are two different Thrones. No Christian doubts the absolute reality of JESUS CHRIST'S HEAVENLY THRONE, but many are confused about HIS Earthly Throne that will also be absolute reality. JESUS CHRIST is the KING OF ISRAEL and HE will TAKE HIS THRONE just as surely as HE sits on a HEAVENLY THRONE.
Love In Christ,
Tom
Colossians 2:16-17 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holy day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days; which are a shadow of things to come; but the body [substance] is of Christ.
Amen my brother!
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The easiest parts to understand and accept are the Promises of Almighty God
Why do we need "faith" if we are supposed to fully understand all of His ways? God says something - I believe it...it's really that simple.
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Re:CHRIST OR the devil
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God says something - I believe it...it's really that simple.
Amen! It is indeed that simple.
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Re:CHRIST OR the devil
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Please read this whole post and tell me how I should receive what I have read if I have indeed read wrong. Please do not skim through and not bring me any understanding on the scriptures that I have posted. Anyone, everyone.
Quote"That's all I can offer you on this topic my friend. If you don't believe ALL scripture, then you should seriously consider whether the scriptures which you choose to believe are just as invalid as the scriptures you choose to reject. It's seems to me that you doubt some of His Word. The scriptures which I posted are a perfect example - another is your uncertainty of whether the Rapture will happen or not - I'll quote you on this...(The rapture we may or may not see). God says it will happen and all Christians will "see it"- why don't you unconditionally trust Him Lisa?"
First of all I am not studying GOD's word to come to my own conclusions but so that I may know Him more and more.
I do not reject anything in the Bible but I realize that I have to receive what He has said in all the 66 books.
Now with that said I do believe in the rapture and I know we will see it. I'll refrase my statement. We may or may not be alive when Jesus comes back. This is what I ment.
If you are falling away from this thread please don't let it be because you think it will get ugly, because I'm not getting the least bit upset (or ugly
).
1 Thessalonians 4:13-17 (New King James Version)
The Comfort of Christ's Coming
13But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. 14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.[a]
15For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God.
And the dead in Christ will rise first.
17Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
Every jew?
Past, present and future?
A Warning
(Luke 13)
21Not everyone who calls me their Lord will get into the kingdom of heaven. Only the ones who obey my Father in heaven will get in.
This does not say except the jews, they will get in regardless.
Galatians 2:13-21 (New King James Version)
13And the rest of the Jews also played the hypocrite with him, so that even Barnabas was carried away with their hypocrisy.
Hypocrite don't get in because the do not truly believe.
You do not die and get another chance to believe, you have to believe while you are alive!! After death it's judgement
Apparent Failure of the promises to ISRAEL explained by their unbelief
Brethren, my heart's desire and my prayer to GOD for them is for their salvation.
For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for GOD, but not in accordance with knowledge. For not knowing about GODs righteousness, and seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of GOD. For CHRIST is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
Romans 11 (New King James Version)
Israel's Rejection Not Total
Jews and Gentiles Grafted into One Tree
1 I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2God has not cast away His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel, saying, 3"LORD, they have killed Your prophets and torn down Your altars, and I alone am left, and they seek my life"?[a] 4But what does the divine response say to him? "I have reserved for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal."
5Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 6And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace.
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Hello Lisa my sister.
I will try (again) to show you that ALL Jews will be forgiven and saved. But first, I would like to get a grip on how you view the Rapture.
You said...
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Now with that said I do believe in the rapture and I know we will see it. I'll refrase my statement. We may or may not be alive when Jesus comes back. This is what I ment.
The Rapture happens before Jesus returns. The dead in Christ will rise first, then, those which are alive at that time will rise up together with them to meet Jesus in the air. From there Raptured Christians remain with Jesus in Heaven for the entire seven year Tribulation. When Jesus returns after the seven years, we return with Him, and rule with Him for 1,000 years.
So, I don't know what you mean when you make that comment on the Rapture. All saved Christians will be Raptured.
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(Luke 13)
21Not everyone who calls me their Lord will get into the kingdom of heaven. Only the ones who obey my Father in heaven will get in.
This does not say except the jews, they will get in regardless.
Lisa, this verse is used in reference to non Jewish people who claim to be Christians for their own selfish reasons - such as false healers - and scamers who take peoples money in the name of Jesus.
We know this can not possibly apply to Jews because God says ALL Jews will be forgiven and saved.
Let me attempt to lay out God's plan of redemption of both Jews and Gentiles in as short a span as I can.
(Bronzesnake takes in a very deep breath and holds it in......Bronzesnake begins to attempt a seemingly impossible task, while slowly releasing his breath)
Gen 12:1
Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
Abram was a Hebrew who God singled out to use as a conduit for His great plan of redemption (more on this later)
Gen 12:2
And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
Self evident verse.
Gen 12:3
And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee:
and in thee
shall all families of the earth be blessed.
This is a key verse Lisa. This is a great prophecy which proves that all families (Jew and gentile) would be blessed because of Abram and his descendants. (more on this later)
Gen 12:7
And the LORD appeared unto Abram, and said, Unto thy seed will I give this land: and there builded he an altar unto the LORD, who appeared unto him.
Jesus physically appeared to Abram
Gen 15:18
In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying,
Unto thy seed
have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:
Gen 17:2
And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly.
God is being very specific here - He is making a special covenant between Himself and Abram's descendants (Jews)
Gen 17:3
And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying,
Gen 17:4
As for me, behold, my covenant [is] with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.
Gen 17:5
Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.
God gives Abram a new name.Jesus did this with His desciples, in order to distinguish them as His own
Gen 17:6
And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee.
Gen 17:7
And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations
for an everlasting covenant
, to be a God unto thee,
and to thy seed after thee
.
Lisa, read this verse very carefully and think about what is going on here. Think about what God has just promised to Abram and all his future generations.
Gen 17:8
And I will give unto thee,
and to thy seed after thee
, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for
an everlasting possession
;
and I will be their God.
Gen 17:19
And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name
Isaac
: and I will establish my covenant with him for
an everlasting covenant,
[and] with his seed after him
.
God goes out of His way to reaffirm His special covenant with His one chosen people (Jews) God never made this promise to any other peoples - exclusively the Jews.
Gen 22:1
And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, [here] I [am].
Gen 22:2
And he said, Take now thy son, thine only [son] Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.
Gen 22:3
And Abraham rose up early in the morning, and saddled his ass, and took two of his young men with him, and Isaac his son, and clave the wood for the burnt offering, and rose up, and went unto the place of which God had told him.
God has asked Abraham to do the unthinkable, and Abraham obeys!
Gen 22:10
And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son.
Gen 22:11
And the angel of the LORD called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here [am] I.
Gen 22:12
And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only [son] from me.
Gen 22:13
And Abraham lifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold behind [him] a ram caught in a thicket by his horns: and Abraham went and took the ram, and offered him up for a burnt offering in the stead of his son.
God provides a sacrafice as a foreshadow of Jesus the Lamb.
Gen 22:15
And the angel of the LORD called unto Abraham out of heaven the second time,
Gen 22:16
And said, By myself have I sworn, saith the LORD, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only [son]:
Gen 22:17
That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which [is] upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;
Gen 22:18
And in thy seed
shall all the nations of the earth be blessed
; because thou hast obeyed my voice.
Do you understand what God is saying here Lisa? The Jews are God's "chosen people" He chose the Jews. Through this "chosen" bloodline, came the Messiah Jesus. Jesus was a Jew - not an African - not an Englishman - not a Chinaman - not an Indian - you see where I'm going here?
God's plan of redemption would only work if there was a Christ who would be rejected. This is extremely important to understand. If Jesus was not rejected, He would not have been crucified - If Jesus was not crucified, we would be doomed.
God CHOSE the Jews so that through the Jewish bloodline Jesus would become a man-Christ - the Jews HAD TO REJECT HIM - this was part of God's plan all along! The Jews would suffer greatly because of this covenant with God - That's why God made the promises with the Jews - He promised them that, They would be His conduit for redemption through the Jewish bloodline - for all humanity! So God told the Jews that they would be forgiven and saved because they are His chosen people through which all humanity would receive a chance at salvation!
This is almost impossible to express in such a short space, but I believe I have done a fairly good job of laying out specific details in relation to the two covenants and God's method of salvation for Jews and Gentiles.
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Re:CHRIST OR the devil
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Do you understand what God is saying here Lisa? The Jews are God's "chosen people" He chose the Jews. Through this "chosen" bloodline, came the Messiah Jesus. Jesus was a Jew - not an African - not an Englishman - not a Chinaman - not an Indian - you see where I'm going here?
Who was Ruth?
Who was Rahab?
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Re:CHRIST OR the devil
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1 Peter 1:1
1:1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
KJV
.......
1 Peter 2:9
9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
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Bronzesnake,
AMEN BROTHER!
Had Israel accepted JESUS CHRIST as King and Messiah over 2,000 years ago, the Gentiles would probably still be waiting to hear the GOSPEL.
The CROSS is the most precious and significant event in human history. Man was and is desperate for a Saviour, and JESUS died for us to fill our greatest need. I don't want to even imagine where we would be without the cross.
HOWEVER, we know that Almighty God knew in eternity past what would happen when Jesus Christ was made manifest in the flesh. Jesus Christ is Almighty God, so JESUS knew HE was to be a perfect sacrifice, and HE knew the precise moment HE would be nailed to the CROSS before the foundation of the world.
Almighty God's foreknowledge of all is impossible for simple men to understand. We are all simple men, and HE is our CREATOR. It's just as difficult to understand that God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit had NO beginning, and they are ONE.
HE, the ONE ALMIGHTY GOD was before time began and will be for time eternity.
Simple men should not be upset that they don't have an understanding of the FULL MIGHT, POWER, AND MAJESTY OF ALMIGHTY GOD. Many of HIS ways are past finding out. Just think about Almighty God humbling Himself, making Himself manifest in the flesh, and giving Himself for us on the CROSS. If we understand and accept HIS PERFECT SACRIFICE AND GIFT TO US, we will spend eternity with Him in Heaven.
Thanks be unto God for His unspeakable GIFT, Jesus Christ, our Lord and Saviour Forever!
Love In Christ,
Tom
1 Corinthians 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
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Quote from: blackeyedpeas on February 21, 2005, 01:40:50 AM
Bronzesnake,
AMEN BROTHER!
Had Israel accepted JESUS CHRIST as King and Messiah over 2,000 years ago, the Gentiles would probably still be waiting to hear the GOSPEL.
The CROSS is the most precious and significant event in human history. Man was and is desperate for a Saviour, and JESUS died for us to fill our greatest need. I don't want to even imagine where we would be without the cross.
HOWEVER, we know that Almighty God knew in eternity past what would happen when Jesus Christ was made manifest in the flesh. Jesus Christ is Almighty God, so JESUS knew HE was to be a perfect sacrifice, and HE knew the precise moment HE would be nailed to the CROSS before the foundation of the world.
Almighty God's foreknowledge of all is impossible for simple men to understand. We are all simple men, and HE is our CREATOR. It's just as difficult to understand that God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit had NO beginning, and they are ONE.
HE, the ONE ALMIGHTY GOD was before time began and will be for time eternity.
Simple men should not be upset that they don't have an understanding of the FULL MIGHT, POWER, AND MAJESTY OF ALMIGHTY GOD. Many of HIS ways are past finding out. Just think about Almighty God humbling Himself, making Himself manifest in the flesh, and giving Himself for us on the CROSS. If we understand and accept HIS PERFECT SACRIFICE AND GIFT TO US, we will spend eternity with Him in Heaven.
Thanks be unto God for His unspeakable GIFT, Jesus Christ, our Lord and Saviour Forever!
Love In Christ,
Tom
1 Corinthians 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
Hey my brother - Thank you for filling in the "however" part. I forgot to add that bit.
and that is very important.
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Quote from: Reba on February 21, 2005, 01:16:17 AM
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Do you understand what God is saying here Lisa? The Jews are God's "chosen people" He chose the Jews. Through this "chosen" bloodline, came the Messiah Jesus. Jesus was a Jew - not an African - not an Englishman - not a Chinaman - not an Indian - you see where I'm going here?
Who was Ruth?
Who was Rahab?
Hey Reba.
I see where this is heading...again!
Look my sister. God says
all Jews
will be forgiven
and saved
. You are asking me whether specific people are considered Jews, and if I say yes, you will point out that they are not. If I say no, then you will ask about the children...how am I doing so far?
I don't claim to know if these "non Jews" are included into the Jewish family. But I would think that they are, much in the same way that Gentiles are included into God's plan of redemption throught he Jews.
The fact does not change though. God says
ALL JEWS
will be saved. It shall be done.
Why does this bother you so much my sister?
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Re:CHRIST OR the devil
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bRONZE YOU ARE LIKE NO HELP AT ALL TO ME BECAUSE YOU ONLY GIVE ME WHAT YOU WANT . IVE SAID OK YOU SAY THIS, BUT CAN YOU HELP ME WITH THESE SCRIPTURES AND WHAT THEY MEAN?
So why have you left me hanging? I posted these scriptures more that twice and I'm just asking that you break them down for me like you've done with the others, yet again you just by past.
Like you keep posting the book of Genn. but you won't help me with the scriptures I'm asking you to to explain.
WHY? I'm not gonna post them again so could you just scroll up to see the last post? As far as the rapture, I believe it to be exactly like you said. My words are hard to explain sometimes. I guess thats why everyone was thinking I said Judaism was a cult when thats not what I said. So this is what I'm saying. When the funk hits the fan and the dead IN CHRIST shall rise, rapture, 2nd coming of CHRIST. We might be dead before all this takes place is what I'm saying. We are not promised tomorrow. So when the Saints are being Raptured, we might be risen and not raptured. I noticed when you broke this down I didn't see the jews being risen or raptured. So the dead jews that didn't die in CHRIST just get a favortism ticket in? Thats not what I read in the Holy Bible.
Although I'm not a jew that does not make me not chosen. Thats my name (Mrs. Chosen). GOD chose me too thats why I serve HIM. He does not love them any more than us gentiles.
GOD loves us equally. So they better die believing Jesus or they will see hell and GOD did promise that.
Jesus said IAM the way the truth and the life. No man (jews are men/woman) comes through the Father except by me.
I'm not talking about in the end. I'm talking about that jew who just died today without Christianity but in judaism.
He died today, and when the dead in Christ shall rise, that wont be him.
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Mrs. Chosen,
Sister, if I understand all of your questions correctly, some of your questions will be answered only by God at His appointed time.
However, there is much written in the Holy Bible. It would represent a long, difficult, and arduous Bible study that might involve months or years. Some would lack the patience to complete such a study, and others might lack the health to do such a difficult study. I would probably fall in the health problem category.
Sister, I don't think it is possible to answer your questions in a few short posts or threads. If someone tried, there would still be the unanswered questions that only God knows the answers to. Some of the greatest Old Testament Bible scholars in the world have been and are in Israel. They've had thousands of years to understand Daniel's prophecy, and most of them either reject it or explain it away as fables, parables, or something other than the future truth about Israel.
Sister, the answers you seek about Israel involve many portions of the Holy Bible, both in the Old Testament and the New Testament. In fact, some of the answers you seek represent some of the deepest and most lengthy studies of the Holy Bible. AND, let's not forget that some of the answers you seek can only be answered by GOD. Israel obviously didn't understand all of the promises of God, and they still don't. Does anyone but GOD?
Sister, some of the answers you seek are in the Holy Bible, but some of the specifics you seek might or might not be there without GOD HIMSELF giving the answers, or revealing the specifics at the time HE fulfills the Promises. I would also like to know the answers to many of your questions, but I also have a huge list of questions that don't involve Israel at all.
As an example, the Holy Bible gives some beautiful descriptions of Heaven. I can apply my imagination with the Biblical descriptions, but the Holy Bible tells us that we can't imagine what HE has prepared for us. I won't really know until JESUS takes me home.
Sister, I hope this helps some.
Love In Christ,
Tom
Philippians 4:6-7 Be careful anxious for nothing; but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God. And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding. shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.
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Who knows where this scriptures is found and what it means?
Apparent Failure of the promises to ISRAEL explained by their unbelief
Brethren, my heart's desire and my prayer to GOD for them is for their salvation.
For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for GOD, but not in accordance with knowledge. For not knowing about GODs righteousness, and seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of GOD. For CHRIST is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
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Quote from: blackeyedpeas on February 21, 2005, 01:40:50 AM
Bronzesnake,
AMEN BROTHER!
Had Israel accepted JESUS CHRIST as King and Messiah over 2,000 years ago, the Gentiles would probably still be waiting to hear the GOSPEL.
The CROSS is the most precious and significant event in human history. Man was and is desperate for a Saviour, and JESUS died for us to fill our greatest need. I don't want to even imagine where we would be without the cross.
HOWEVER, we know that Almighty God knew in eternity past what would happen when Jesus Christ was made manifest in the flesh. Jesus Christ is Almighty God, so JESUS knew HE was to be a perfect sacrifice, and HE knew the precise moment HE would be nailed to the CROSS before the foundation of the world.
Almighty God's foreknowledge of all is impossible for simple men to understand. We are all simple men, and HE is our CREATOR. It's just as difficult to understand that God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit had NO beginning, and they are ONE.
HE, the ONE ALMIGHTY GOD was before time began and will be for time eternity.
Simple men should not be upset that they don't have an understanding of the FULL MIGHT, POWER, AND MAJESTY OF ALMIGHTY GOD. Many of HIS ways are past finding out. Just think about Almighty God humbling Himself, making Himself manifest in the flesh, and giving Himself for us on the CROSS. If we understand and accept HIS PERFECT SACRIFICE AND GIFT TO US, we will spend eternity with Him in Heaven.
Thanks be unto God for His unspeakable GIFT, Jesus Christ, our Lord and Saviour Forever!
Love In Christ,
Tom
1 Corinthians 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
Rev 13:8
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
KJV
Matt 25:34
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
KJV
Heb 4:3
3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
KJV
O my! The Cross was not an after thought but the plan of God from the foundation of the world.
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Quote from: Bronzesnake on February 21, 2005, 02:18:31 AM
Quote from: Reba on February 21, 2005, 01:16:17 AM
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Do you understand what God is saying here Lisa? The Jews are God's "chosen people" He chose the Jews. Through this "chosen" bloodline, came the Messiah Jesus. Jesus was a Jew - not an African - not an Englishman - not a Chinaman - not an Indian - you see where I'm going here?
Who was Ruth?
Who was Rahab?
Hey Reba.
I see where this is heading...again!
Look my sister. God says
all Jews
will be forgiven
and saved
. You are asking me whether specific people are considered Jews, and if I say yes, you will point out that they are not. If I say no, then you will ask about the children...how am I doing so far?
I don't claim to know if these "non Jews" are included into the Jewish family. But I would think that they are, much in the same way that Gentiles are included into God's plan of redemption throught he Jews.
The fact does not change though. God says
ALL JEWS
will be saved. It shall be done.
Why does this bother you so much my sister?
Bronzesnake
Ruth and Rahab are "grandmothers' of Jesus
This bothers me becasue i see this as distortion of Holy Scripture. The scripture does say all Jews will be saved it plainly says 'all Israel' again i ask who is man to change the Word of God.
And it bothers me because you will not answer a simple question. It bothers me because if some one does not agree with you THEY need to study or They are not trusting God. Bronze you do not have all the answers nor do i. If my questions did not bother you, you would answer directly.
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Reply #104 on:
February 21, 2005, 10:14:53 AM »
1 Tim 2:6
6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
KJV
Here is a verse that tell us He is the ramsom for
'all'
So now in reading this and accepting Gods Word,
all
are ramsoned correct?
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