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Lscarlette
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« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2011, 05:09:33 PM » |
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I quite obviously disagree with the belief that women have not been called to preach, nor to be leaders is not true a, my opinons are based on the Holy Biblie.
Romans chapter 16 verse 6.
“Greet Mary, who bestowed much labor on us.”
How is this? a woman again is honored and proclaimed victorious! Again
are we men put to shame. Or rather, we are not put to shame only, but
have even an honor conferred upon us. For an honor we have, in that there
are such women amongst us, but we are put to shame, in that we men are
left so far behind by them. But if we come to know whence it comes, that
they are so adorned, we too shall speedily overtake them. Whence then is
their adorning? Let both men and women listen. It is not from bracelets, or
from necklaces, nor from their eunuchs either, and their maid-servants, and
gold-broidered dresses, but from their toils in behalf of the truth. For he
says, “who bestowed much labor on us,” that is, not on herself only, nor
upon her own advancement, (see p. 520) (for this many women of the
present day do, by fasting, and sleeping on the floor), but upon others
also, so carrying on the race Apostles and Evangelists ran. In what sense
then does he say, “I suffer not a woman to teach?” (1 Timothy 2:12.) He
means to hinder her from publicly coming forward (1 Corinthians 14:35),
and from the seat on the bema, not from the word of teaching. Since if this
were the case, how would he have said to the woman that had an
unbelieving husband, “How knowest thou, O woman, if thou shalt save
thy husband?” (ib. 7:16.) Or how came he to suffer her to admonish
children, when he says, but “she shall be saved by child-bearing if they
continue in faith, and charity, and holiness, with sobriety?” (1 Timothy
2:15.) How came Priscilla to instruct even Apollos? It was not then to cut
in sunder private conversing for advantage that he said this, but that before
all, and which it was the teacher’s duty to give in the public assembly; or
again, in case the husband be believing and thoroughly furnished, able also to
instruct her. When she is the wiser, then he does not forbid her teaching and
improving him. And he does not say, who taught much, but “who bestowed much
labor,” because along with teaching (tou~ lo>gou) she performs other ministries
besides, those in the way of dangers, in the way of money, in the way of
travels. For the women of those days were more spirited than lions, sharing
with the Apostles their labors for the Gospel’s sake. In this way they went
traveling with them, and also performed all other ministries. And even in
Christ’s day there followed Him women, “which ministered unto Him of their
substance” (Luke 8:3), and waited upon the Teacher.
Chrysostom : Homilies on Romans – Homily 31 on Rom 16.6
Lets discuss Junia a woman who was an Apostle Romans 16: 7 John Chrysostom said
Junia was a female
Chrysostom was not alone in confirming the gender of Junia as female. Earlier
commentator Origen of Alexander (185-253) understood the name to be feminine.Others included Jerome (340-419) who wrote that Junia was a female. Hatto of Vercelli (924-961,
Theophylack (1050-1108), and Peter Abelar (1079-1142).19
Not only was Junia “worthy of the appellation of apostle,” she was “well known
among the apostles”! The Greek description translated “well known” literally
means “marked out” and can also be rendered “distinguished, outstanding,
eminent”.
I know that some say no way was Junia female, but I also know from well
known Biblical scholar Bernadette Brooten that she is convinced beyond a shadow
of a doubt that she was a woman.. she had this to say "My own search for an
attestation has also proved fruitless. This means that we do not have a single
shred of evidence that the name Junias ever existed. Note that Brooten is not
only speaking of the lack of this name in NT manuscripts, but in ANY ancient
manuscript, Greek or Latin, secular or sacred!"
Then their is Priscilla
Prisca (also called Priscilla) and her husband Aquilla, two of Paul's
"fellow-laborers" in the Gospel, instructed Apollos in the way of God according
to Acts 18:24-26.
Acts 18:28 says that after Apollos left Ephesus with the encouragement and
recommendation of the "brethren," which means the Christian assembly, "he
powerfully refuted the Jews in public, showing by the scriptures that Jesus was
the Messiah." Here we see an account of a woman teacher, along with her
husband, educating an already learned man of great ability and preparing him
fhis greatest accomplishments in the Gospel.
Anna Luke 2:36 There was also a prophet, Anna* the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe
of Asher. She was of a great age, having lived with her husband for seven years
after her marriage, 37then as a widow to the age of eighty-four. She never left
the temple but worshipped there with fasting and prayer night and day. 38At that
moment she came, and began to praise God and to speak about the child* to all
who were looking for the redemption of Jerusalem.
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Women leaders and equality.
Queen of Sheba when she arrived in Solomon land was accepted in Solomons
court without question. :"Her entourage was large and powerful, there was no
question about her ability or legitimacy as a ruler because of gender.The Queen
of Sheba conducted herself with the dignity and stature of the head of state.
She did not seem to abuse her power or to underestimate it. In order for a woman
to achieve her stature and position, she would have had to obtain and retain the
respect of her people,the military and religious leaders andthe palace courtAll
of them primarily male dominated groups" The IVP Women's Bible Commentary pg 192.
Deborah and Jael;~~~~
Deborah status and responsbilities In Israel are taken for granted. She is
introduced as an emergency substitue for the men who have failed to come
forward. Her standing in society is a secure and accepted one as a prophet
through whom God Speak s ibid pg 133." In the time of Judges a married woman
Deborah was already acknowleged as a prophet and judge when she was called to
summon Barak to lead the nations against the enemy. The text does not suggest
that Barak was weak Judges 4: 4-9 he recognized that the Lord had chosen to
speak thru Deborah and with spiritual insight he insisted that she should
accompany him to battle" ibid pg 643.
Jael outwitted Sisera and killed him insuring he could do no more harm.
Phoebe who was the only female to be named as a deacon.
Church Leaders Apphia , Tabitha, Lydia, Nymphas, Euodias and Syntyche, and
Chloe. Lydia started a church in her house Acts 16:15.
Eudoias and Synytche Paul wrote a letter to them and asked them to be of the
same mind and asked of his true companion to do all they could to help them. He
praised them saying they had labored by his side in the gospel. What is never
even hinted at is that they should give up their ministry, or turn it over to
another.
MiriamThe congregation of Israel, a religious body called by God out of bondage and
into the wilderness, was certainly a “church.” Indeed, Stephen spoke of it as
“the church in the wilderness,” Acts 7:38. The very first note of praise raised
to God in that “church,” was responded to by Miriam and her women, with timbrel
and dance,¾“Miriam the prophetess”(Exodus 15:20). And why should she have been
called by the inspired Word “the prophetess,” if God had never, and did never
use her voice to declare His will to Israel? God gives no empty (lying) titles.
And this woman prophetess, was one of three great leaders of whom God said:“I
brought thee up out of the land of Egypt . . . and I sent before thee Moses,
Aaron and Miriam” (Micah 6:4).
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