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« on: November 08, 2004, 11:48:54 PM »


Should we pray for our pets and farm animals?


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« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2004, 07:44:27 AM »

Why not?  Undecided
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« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2004, 09:55:53 AM »

Unless you mean for salvation.   Huh  Otherwise they are but part of a world we are not.
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« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2004, 08:16:19 PM »


Welcom back, Saved4Ever.  Haven't you been gone awhile??


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« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2004, 03:57:37 AM »


Welcom back, Saved4Ever.  Haven't you been gone awhile??


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Yes I think I've been gone for quite some time haven't I?  I've had a lot happen since last December.  Being the eldest I sort of took up the responcabilty of being the administrator for my Fathers estate which included liquidating his auto repair business.

Let me tell you that was about as far away from fun as you could imagine.  It actually left me with a very bad taste in my mouth for people in general.  So much so that I sort of became a hermit to the world because I was filled with so much disdain for people.

I could give you tons of stories but in general lets just say I saw a lot of the "worst" in people and a lot of "true colors" came out.  I sort of backed away from everything I used to do.  I went to church but I felt no comfort there, though my church family offered it.  So I pretty much drew back from anything Christian.  Though oddly enough try to knock the LORD or his word and I was all up in your face about it.

It's a good thing God loves us first and so much that he won't let us go even when we half heartedly try to.

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« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2004, 03:59:39 AM »

Oh wait this thread was about praying for pets.

Could you be a little more specific about praying for them?  

I'm not a big animal person myself, although they seem to really like me.  I don't mind them or anything, I just don't want to own them.  I have a sort of grandparent attitude toward them.  I like to give 'em back when I'm done.   Grin
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« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2004, 06:47:27 AM »

Oh dear.. sorry to hear about the liquidation of the Auto Business and the death of your father! I just lost my Great Aunt. She died from Pancreatic Cancer. From the time she was diagnosed to the time she died, it was only 4 and a half weeks.  Cry

Regarding praying for pets: I don't see why not. I'm the type of person who connects better with animals than I do humans. I've been messed with far to much by humans to understand them any more.  I understand most animals: Eat, sleep, potty and have a good head scratch every so often **chuckles** . I don't see why God would turn his back on these guys. They may not be human, but I do believe they are just as special to him as everything else he holds dear to his heart! If we have a special request regarding a certain wet nose, smooth scale or soft feather, I'm sure he will sit and listen.
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« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2004, 07:44:11 PM »

welcome, ccpc!!   Grin

Yes, pets and many animals in general certainly have their good points.  On their good side, they're wonderful beings to have around.

We DO take them for granted.  

Wow, so fast to lose your grt aunt, in a month.   Sad


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Yes I think I've been gone for quite some time haven't I?  I've had a lot happen since last December.  Being the eldest I sort of took up the responcabilty of being the administrator for my Fathers estate which included liquidating his auto repair business.

Let me tell you that was about as far away from fun as you could imagine.  It actually left me with a very bad taste in my mouth for people in general.  So much so that I sort of became a hermit to the world because I was filled with so much disdain for people.

I could give you tons of stories but in general lets just say I saw a lot of the "worst" in people and a lot of "true colors" came out.  I sort of backed away from everything I used to do.  I went to church but I felt no comfort there, though my church family offered it.  So I pretty much drew back from anything Christian.  Though oddly enough try to knock the LORD or his word and I was all up in your face about it.

It's a good thing God loves us first and so much that he won't let us go even when we half heartedly try to.

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You've said volumes there, Saved.  Yikes.  Liquidating stuff.  No fun.  And the true natures of people, coming to the surface--sometimes immediately!

Yikes.  

I guess you could say, all you need to find the true nature of people is to bring up the word "will", or "estate".

And your withdrawing.  Hmm.  I guess for just plain survival.  

Is it finished yet?  In less than a year.  That sounds pretty good, tho, that it was all finished reasonably clear?

I've talked only briefly with a probate attorney, but he seemed cynical, disenfranchised, disenchanted.

And I'm guessing all he would see day to day is the same long line of just what you're talking about.  He'd probably dread the next case walking in his door!!

Unless he also is one of the wolves; which of course some of them would be.

But I'll bet lawyers like that would see Christian families, even close families, suddenly broken up, by virtue of a will, or an estate.  siblings who'd maybe gotten along - suddenly, broken up.

And the attorney would probably see these same folk going to church, maybe even at the same church, singing hymns, reading the bible, leading groups, etc.

Oooh, the deceitfulness of possessions.    Sad

The problems of "ownership".  
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« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2004, 02:04:17 AM »

(sincereheart prays for her chickens)

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Just to clarify.....
I don't pray for the salvation of the animals! I pray WITH my eight year old when she requests prayer for their sickness! Now who could refuse that request from a child?  Tongue
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« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2004, 02:50:10 AM »

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Is it finished yet?  In less than a year.  That sounds pretty good, tho, that it was all finished reasonably clear?

Yes it is all finished now.  Seeing as I am not a mechanic and my father had no will and his only "asset" was his business it was interesting indeed.  I learned much that is for sure.  At first I was trying to figure how to get rid of everything.  I didn't no who or how to sell it and I certainly did not know how much it was all worth.  I ended up getting some help from the tool salesman (but that was only after word was getting around that he was trying eerrmm uumm explicitive us out of money for his own gain).  That was going to hurt his ability to sell things around town he did not do right by "Paul's" (my dad) children.  I was pretty annoyed that someone who claimed to be his friend was only worried about getting paid.  My dad almost excusively bought tools from him.   Angry

It turned into a lot of his supposed "friends" around town were only concerned about getting paid.  Out of all his "friends" I only feel one person (Dave) stepped up and I still speak with him.  There was another person I "thought" was ok but after I evened out the debt I never heard from him again, though he was nice and I'm sure if I go back to his parts store he will "take care" of me.  I had one of his friends tell me (well actually he told Dave) that it was too hard for him to come to my dad's shop.  He never called any of us or anything.  I know my father thought of him as a very good friend and spoke with him all the time.   Undecided

I also started to wonder how the heck the world goes round after dealing with banks, credit cards etc.  I promise you some of the most unintelligent, clueless disorganized people run everything.

One example: I was trying to close down the fathers bank account for his credit card which for some reason was based in Denver.  I had to argue with them for a month that I was NOT going to fly to Denver to close an account (you usually have to show up in person) seeing as they had no problems opening it up with out physical contact.  My father never made it any further west than PA.  In the mean time they kept charging him service fees and such for having the account.   Angry

The list just goes on and on.  I did sell some of the stuff through the paper but in the end I just had to auction it off.  I couldn't keep paying the rent, electricity, water etc and have it be worth it.  We won't talk about how awful the landlords were even though he'd been there for 20 years and fixed their cars.

A word of advice to anyone who has to auction off a loved ones belongings.  DO NOT GO TO THE AUCTION.  It has to be one of the worst experiences I can think of.  People are vultures, and I would tell you, being there is like watching the vultures pick apart the corpse of a loved one while you watch.  At least if you aren't there you just find what's left.  It should be a bit easier to deal with.

Yes I am jaded from it all even still.

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But I'll bet lawyers like that would see Christian families, even close families, suddenly broken up, by virtue of a will, or an estate.  siblings who'd maybe gotten along - suddenly, broken up.

And the attorney would probably see these same folk going to church, maybe even at the same church, singing hymns, reading the bible, leading groups, etc.

Oooh, the deceitfulness of possessions.

Not that my family is Christian (though it seems to be getting there) there was no squabbling between us.  My little brother being just who I thought he would be did little to help.  Once he knew that the administrator got a "cut" off the top before anything was distibuted, his attitude was that of "Well, you;'re getting paid so you do the work."  My sister helped much more and I "rewarded" her for it as well.  The same would have gone to my brother but he decided to do as I expected of him.  The thing is that I didn't get much at all from his "estate"  Less than $3000 from it all(this is just from his estate luckily he had life insurance but that is another story).  Keep in mind that after work almost every morning from Jan-April I would be doing something for the estate (I work night shift).  Many days I would not get to bed until 6 PM only to wake up at 11 PM to go do it all over again.

I have learned many a thing and have made it a point to tell my sister that its her turn when my mother dies.  I will help but I don't want that burden ever again.

Do your loved ones a favor and get a will.  I know the concept of death and making arrangements for it are tough but it is something one needs to do.  You lay a heavy burden on your family if you don't.  Much has to be done and no will costs time, money, and many rifts problems.
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« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2004, 03:10:54 AM »

*sigh* All of that reminds me of just why we need a Saviour! Cry
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sincereheart:

Just to clarify.....
I don't pray for the salvation of the animals! I pray WITH my eight year old when she requests prayer for their sickness! Now who could refuse that request from a child?  


'Sorry, sincereheart.   Grin

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Yes it is all finished now.  Seeing as I am not a mechanic and my father had no will and his only "asset" was his business it was interesting indeed.  I learned much that is for sure.  At first I was trying to figure how to get rid of everything.  I didn't no who or how to sell it and I certainly did not know how much it was all worth.  I ended up getting some help from the tool salesman (but that was only after word was getting around that he was trying eerrmm uumm explicitive us out of money for his own gain).  That was going to hurt his ability to sell things around town he did not do right by "Paul's" (my dad) children.  I was pretty annoyed that someone who claimed to be his friend was only worried about getting paid.  My dad almost excusively bought tools from him.  

It turned into a lot of his supposed "friends" around town were only concerned about getting paid.  Out of all his "friends" I only feel one person (Dave) stepped up and I still speak with him.  There was another person I "thought" was ok but after I evened out the debt I never heard from him again, though he was nice and I'm sure if I go back to his parts store he will "take care" of me.  I had one of his friends tell me (well actually he told Dave) that it was too hard for him to come to my dad's shop.  He never called any of us or anything.  I know my father thought of him as a very good friend and spoke with him all the time.  

I also started to wonder how the heck the world goes round after dealing with banks, credit cards etc.  I promise you some of the most unintelligent, clueless disorganized people run everything.

One example: I was trying to close down the fathers bank account for his credit card which for some reason was based in Denver.  I had to argue with them for a month that I was NOT going to fly to Denver to close an account (you usually have to show up in person) seeing as they had no problems opening it up with out physical contact.  My father never made it any further west than PA.  In the mean time they kept charging him service fees and such for having the account.  

The list just goes on and on.  I did sell some of the stuff through the paper but in the end I just had to auction it off.  I couldn't keep paying the rent, electricity, water etc and have it be worth it.  We won't talk about how awful the landlords were even though he'd been there for 20 years and fixed their cars.

A word of advice to anyone who has to auction off a loved ones belongings.  DO NOT GO TO THE AUCTION.  It has to be one of the worst experiences I can think of.  People are vultures, and I would tell you, being there is like watching the vultures pick apart the corpse of a loved one while you watch.  At least if you aren't there you just find what's left.  It should be a bit easier to deal with.

Yes I am jaded from it all even still.

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But I'll bet lawyers like that would see Christian families, even close families, suddenly broken up, by virtue of a will, or an estate.  siblings who'd maybe gotten along - suddenly, broken up.

And the attorney would probably see these same folk going to church, maybe even at the same church, singing hymns, reading the bible, leading groups, etc.

Oooh, the deceitfulness of possessions.  
 

Not that my family is Christian (though it seems to be getting there) there was no squabbling between us.  My little brother being just who I thought he would be did little to help.  Once he knew that the administrator got a "cut" off the top before anything was distibuted, his attitude was that of "Well, you;'re getting paid so you do the work."  My sister helped much more and I "rewarded" her for it as well.  The same would have gone to my brother but he decided to do as I expected of him.  The thing is that I didn't get much at all from his "estate"  Less than $3000 from it all(this is just from his estate luckily he had life insurance but that is another story).  Keep in mind that after work almost every morning from Jan-April I would be doing something for the estate (I work night shift).  Many days I would not get to bed until 6 PM only to wake up at 11 PM to go do it all over again.

I have learned many a thing and have made it a point to tell my sister that its her turn when my mother dies.  I will help but I don't want that burden ever again.

Do your loved ones a favor and get a will.  I know the concept of death and making arrangements for it are tough but it is something one needs to do.  You lay a heavy burden on your family if you don't.  Much has to be done and no will costs time, money, and many rifts problems.


Wow.  What a narrative, Saved.  

Am I wrong or were you the music major, or studying music?  This would all seem so far out of your interests, too.  Maybe I recall incorrectly.

Wow, look at the misgivings, or maybe even just misunderstandings, that crop up out of nowhere.

I had that happen at just a major garage sale we had once.  Some of the townsfolk you'd known all your life--suddenly there they are rifling through your stuff!   Lips Sealed

I promise you some of the most unintelligent, clueless disorganized people run everything.

Boy, isn't that it.  And you have to be so careful.  Some of their fuses are pretty short.

Maybe in lieu of a will, just put specified people on as joint owners?  That way that particular asset would pass to them automatically, upon death?  No need for a will?(but for cost basis tax purposes, a joint owner loses the stepped-up cost benefit; i.e., he has to assign the decedent's original cost basis if he's a joint owner).

I can see how you'd be "jaded" for sure.

YOu seem to have a good attitude about it all, if understandably on the definite retreat.

The thing I notice, is that it's the intervening of "the law', or "the court", as necessary as it may be, that seems to get all the feathers up.

That's why, where possible, I guess I'd opt for the joint owner path.  For large estates, of course, people do trusts, not wills.


 People are vultures, and I would tell you, being there is like watching the vultures pick apart the corpse of a loved one while you watch.  

Boy, I'm getting that feeling from the court and attorneys, too.  They do things "antiseptically"--that's what I call it.  This asset goes, here, that one goes over there--completely unfeeling, it seems.

I know they have to do that to do the job.  

It reminds me so much of Jesus' railing the lawyers, "you cause others to carrying heavy burderns, which you youselves will not touch".  

It's all done administratively, at arm's reach.  Like pulling the trigger to a firearm.  But you're on the receiving end.  Undecided
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Boy, isn't that it.  And you have to be so careful.  Some of their fuses are pretty short.

Actually they ended up fearing me and my fuse.  Actually I noticed that "people 'round town" knew that I was not to be "messed" with.  this became especially prevalent when the "shop" next door to my fathers kept using our space as free parking regardless of my asking several times that they not do it.  One morning when I had come in for the third time in a row and not had a place to park on my paid property I just parked right behind their vans so they couldn't get out.  I ended up "blowing a fuse" on them when they still tried to back out with my car there.  I waited for them to knock on the door and ask first.  Then I "let em have it".  This later lead to a fight with the "owner" of the business next door when he said I was "overreacting".  Now mind you they had tried this garbage with my father when he was alive and he was none to happy about it.  I had even asked the owner and told the drivers several times not to park there.  They didn't listen and so I was quite perturbed to say the least.  After that I actually just put the dumpster and other trash cans in the driveway so they couldn't use it when I wasn't there.  Though they didn't mind throwing their trash in our dumpsters (to which were a high commodity when you are trying to clear out a 20 year old business.  That's actually what lead to the fight with the owner.  I threw his trash back on their property.  They had a dumpster but were too lazy to walk over to it.)


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Maybe in lieu of a will, just put specified people on as joint owners?  That way that particular asset would pass to them automatically, upon death?  No need for a will?(but for cost basis tax purposes, a joint owner loses the stepped-up cost benefit; i.e., he has to assign the decedent's original cost basis if he's a joint owner).

Bad idea actually because then the "co-owner" becomes responsible for a lot of things.  Actually had my parents still been married or he married to his GF then either one of them would have been left with his 10's of thousands of dollars of debt.  It was better this way.  I actually got his 68 RoadRunner without issue because of this.  He said it was so insignificant it wouldn't matter (the motor blew and so it was listed as a non functional 68 Plymouth)  The lawyer in my case was a decent guy and worked for us to get what we could out of it.  His attitude was to stick it to the debt collectors because they have insurance and don't really lose out too much.  I'm just glad he I did as much as I did or else it would have cost a fortune.  My dad's estate was an odd case.  These were the lawyers words.  He said he had never had a case like this before.  

Yes the laws stink and everyone gets to take your money for things THEY require you to do.  For instance you can't do anything with the estate until someone is declared the administrator (this means my siblings had to agree and sign off on it).  This is called putting the estate in probate (now you can start to take care of things) To do this and get this lovely piece of paper and 7 copies that are "legal" cost us $325.  You need these papers so you can close accounts transfer car titles (to which the state wanted one per car) and such.  Every one of these papers that say nothing more than the state declares me the executor or administrator  with a fancy imprinted stamp cost $10 a pop and everyone tries to claim they want one.  Lucky for me the local post office just made a copy of it and all I was doing was having his mail forwarded to my house.   Roll Eyes

I found out from the lawyer that not everyone is entitled to one of these though they try and ask.  The other thing you need is a death certificate and this costs $4 a pop and EVERYONE wants one of these and are entitled to them.  Lucky for me I faxed a lot of them so I didn't need as many but still.  you also have to pay a fee to advertise the estate (so people can come out of the wood work and claim you owe them).  you have to do it in a local newspaper and the legal journal twice.  That cost about $300.  You have to pay a fee to submit your information to the court for review and then another fee to finalize it.  So all these legal things need to be done just so you can do the things you are required to do by law.  How nice.

Lawyers are expensive and I'm sure they are worse in more affluent places.  I was "cut a deal" and the lawyer only charged me $200 an hour instead of $250.  Mind you, when ever you call them for anything (including reminding them to do their job) the bill by the minute.   Angry  They have timers on their phone.  The key is to know exactly what you want to ask, ask it and say good bye.  Another trick is that every lawyer gives you a free 30 minute "consultation" before actually receiving their services.  So call around and keep getting more answers before you commit to one.   Grin  This goes for anything you need to do with lawyers so keep that in mind.

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Am I wrong or were you the music major, or studying music?  This would all seem so far out of your interests, too.  Maybe I recall incorrectly.

hehe no you would be correct.  My initial idea for a career was in the music business though I had decided against strictly studying music and learning the recording end of it.  This fell through as God did not have that one lined up for me, though I take responsibility for not getting there.  Now I work with computers and stuff.  I am quite the computer geek now.  Not that anyone (including myself) thought that would ever happen.

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 ???I have no idea but I don't see what would be wrong with it
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