The Sins of Baal vs The Sins of America

[darwinatridge]

1 Kings 18
Elijah's Message to Ahab
The Contest on Mount Carmel
1 And it came to pass after many days that the word of the LORD came to Elijah, in the third year, saying, "Go, present yourself to Ahab, and I will send rain on the earth."
2So Elijah went to present himself to Ahab; and there was a severe famine in Samaria. 3And Ahab had called Obadiah, who was in charge of his house. (Now Obadiah feared the LORD greatly. 4For so it was, while Jezebel massacred the prophets of the LORD, that Obadiah had taken one hundred prophets and hidden them, fifty to a cave, and had fed them with bread and water.) 5And Ahab had said to Obadiah, "Go into the land to all the springs of water and to all the brooks; perhaps we may find grass to keep the horses and mules alive, so that we will not have to kill any livestock." 6So they divided the land between them to explore it; Ahab went one way by himself, and Obadiah went another way by himself.
7Now as Obadiah was on his way, suddenly Elijah met him; and he recognized him, and fell on his face, and said, "Is that you, my lord Elijah?"
8And he answered him, "It is I. Go, tell your master, "Elijah is here."'
9So he said, "How have I sinned, that you are delivering your servant into the hand of Ahab, to kill me? 10As the LORD your God lives, there is no nation or kingdom where my master has not sent someone to hunt for you; and when they said, "He is not here,' he took an oath from the kingdom or nation that they could not find you. 11And now you say, "Go, tell your master, "Elijah is here"'! 12And it shall come to pass, as soon as I am gone from you, that the Spirit of the LORD will carry you to a place I do not know; so when I go and tell Ahab, and he cannot find you, he will kill me. But I your servant have feared the LORD from my youth. 13Was it not reported to my lord what I did when Jezebel killed the prophets of the LORD, how I hid one hundred men of the LORD's prophets, fifty to a cave, and fed them with bread and water? 14And now you say, "Go, tell your master, "Elijah is here."' He will kill me!"
15Then Elijah said, "As the LORD of hosts lives, before whom I stand, I will surely present myself to him today."
16So Obadiah went to meet Ahab, and told him; and Ahab went to meet Elijah.
17Then it happened, when Ahab saw Elijah, that Ahab said to him, "Is that you, O troubler of Israel?"
18And he answered, "I have not troubled Israel, but you and your father's house have, in that you have forsaken the commandments of the LORD and have followed the Baals. 19Now therefore, send and gather all Israel to me on Mount Carmel, the four hundred and fifty prophets of Baal, and the four hundred prophets of Asherah,[1] who eat at Jezebel's table."
20 So Ahab sent for all the children of Israel, and gathered the prophets together on Mount Carmel. 21And Elijah came to all the people, and said, "How long will you falter between two opinions? If the LORD is God, follow Him; but if Baal, follow him." But the people answered him not a word. 22Then Elijah said to the people, "I alone am left a prophet of the LORD; but Baal's prophets are four hundred and fifty men. 23Therefore let them give us two bulls; and let them choose one bull for themselves, cut it in pieces, and lay it on the wood, but put no fire under it; and I will prepare the other bull, and lay it on the wood, but put no fire under it. 24Then you call on the name of your gods, and I will call on the name of the LORD; and the God who answers by fire, He is God."
So all the people answered and said, "It is well spoken."
25Now Elijah said to the prophets of Baal, "Choose one bull for yourselves and prepare it first, for you are many; and call on the name of your god, but put no fire under it."
26So they took the bull which was given them, and they prepared it, and called on the name of Baal from morning even till noon, saying, "O Baal, hear us!" But there was no voice; no one answered. Then they leaped about the altar which they had made.
27And so it was, at noon, that Elijah mocked them and said, "Cry aloud, for he is a god; either he is meditating, or he is busy, or he is on a journey, or perhaps he is sleeping and must be awakened." 28So they cried aloud, and cut themselves, as was their custom, with knives and lances, until the blood gushed out on them. 29And when midday was past, they prophesied until the time of the offering of the evening sacrifice. But there was no voice; no one answered, no one paid attention.
30Then Elijah said to all the people, "Come near to me." So all the people came near to him. And he repaired the altar of the LORD that was broken down. 31And Elijah took twelve stones, according to the number of the tribes of the sons of Jacob, to whom the word of the LORD had come, saying, "Israel shall be your name."[2] 32Then with the stones he built an altar in the name of the LORD; and he made a trench around the altar large enough to hold two seahs of seed. 33And he put the wood in order, cut the bull in pieces, and laid it on the wood, and said, "Fill four waterpots with water, and pour it on the burnt sacrifice and on the wood." 34Then he said, "Do it a second time," and they did it a second time; and he said, "Do it a third time," and they did it a third time. 35So the water ran all around the altar; and he also filled the trench with water.
36And it came to pass, at the time of the offering of the evening sacrifice, that Elijah the prophet came near and said, "LORD God of Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, let it be known this day that You are God in Israel and I am Your servant, and that I have done all these things at Your word. 37Hear me, O LORD, hear me, that this people may know that You are the LORD God, and that You have turned their hearts back to You again."
38Then the fire of the LORD fell and consumed the burnt sacrifice, and the wood and the stones and the dust, and it licked up the water that was in the trench. 39Now when all the people saw it, they fell on their faces; and they said, "The LORD, He is God! The LORD, He is God!"
40And Elijah said to them, "Seize the prophets of Baal! Do not let one of them escape!" So they seized them; and Elijah brought them down to the Brook Kishon and executed them there.
41 Then Elijah said to Ahab, "Go up, eat and drink; for there is the sound of abundance of rain." 42So Ahab went up to eat and drink. And Elijah went up to the top of Carmel; then he bowed down on the ground, and put his face between his knees, 43and said to his servant, "Go up now, look toward the sea."
So he went up and looked, and said, "There is nothing." And seven times he said, "Go again."
44Then it came to pass the seventh time, that he said, "There is a cloud, as small as a man's hand, rising out of the sea!" So he said, "Go up, say to Ahab, "Prepare your chariot, and go down before the rain stops you."'
45Now it happened in the meantime that the sky became black with clouds and wind, and there was a heavy rain. So Ahab rode away and went to Jezreel. 46Then the hand of the LORD came upon Elijah; and he girded up his loins and ran ahead of Ahab to the entrance of Jezreel.



There are those in America and the world that discount this event and claim that the Old Testament no longer means anything. During Ahab and Jezebel’s rein many of the priest that they had in their court where practicing homosexuals and had the blood of many children on their hands. God used Elijah to deal with Ahab and Jezebel. He also dealt with the priest that worshipped Baal. Jesus stated that He came to fulfill the law and not to abolish it. This meant that he came to provide a way for us to escape from our sins. It did not mean that we where to continue living in our sins and all would be ok in the end and no matter what we did we would be allowed to enter into heaven. To do this is to call God a liar. This kind of reasoning is to say that God owes Sodom and Gomorrah and the priest of Ahab and Jezebel an apology. The pro-abortionist and the homosexual community are holding on to this belief. Those in America that hold this same belief and see nothing wrong with any politician supporting these groups are calling God a liar as well. If we as a nation continue down this path of moral destruction then we to will face the same consequences that these priest faced. God has offered America a choice, to choose whom it is that we as a nation will serve. Does anyone of you think that God is going to apologize for dealing with the evil that was and is going on in this world? Satan was kicked out of heaven and no matter what version of the Bible you read it says the same thing. Satan will be thrown into the lake of fire forever. It also says that his followers will face the same fate. Jesus came to save us from this but we have the freedom to choose or reject what He has done for us on the cross. We as a nation now have a choice to make, to serve God or to serve Satan. There are only two choices. There is no middle ground on this.

[Symphony]

So true, Darwinatridge...

[MalkyEL]

I am curious, why do you think America has a choice to make now?  Since when has God used a national agenda to bring people into the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ?

This county threw God out years ago, if He was ever part of America in the first place.  There is no such thing as God Bless America.

This country is full of pornography, abortion, homosexuality, physical and sexual abuse, murder, crime and all manner of evil, satanism, and every whim of doctrine and cult ever known to man.

Our current president is a 33rd degree mason [satanic] and the other candidate is blatant evil with no apologies.

I think this country makes the prophets of Baal look like a walk in the park.

Sorry for my tirade - I am tired of it all.

Shalom, Nana

[Soldier4Christ]

MalkyEL,

"Our current president is a 33rd degree mason [satanic]..."

Where do you get this from? President Bush's is a member of the United Methodist Church and is an avid listener of Billy Graham. Have I been in the dark about the methodists and they have masonic levels now?

 

[MalkyEL]

Billy Graham is also a 33rd degree mason.  This level of masonry is steeped in the occult and in demonic practices.

Billy Graham is also pushing ecumenism which is the NWO [New World order] - aka all religions lead to heaven.  He believes that Jesus is one way, not the only Way.  He supports Buddahists, Muslims, etc - whichever works for you. He has believed this for years.

So much for spiritual leadership.


http://www.geocities.com/endtimedeception/billy.htm

http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/bnaibrith.html

http://www.myfortress.org/masoniclodge.html#anchor_16

http://www.angelfire.com/nt/dragon9/GOLDENDAWN.html

Some interesting stuff on the Christian Leaders of our time:

http://www.texemarrs.com/042001/berserk4.htm

http://www.seekgod.ca/topiconeworld.htm

http://www.seekgod.ca/topicpaths.htm


Time for reality coffee.  The path is narrow and few find it.

Shalom, Nana

[Soldier4Christ]

conspiracist  

[MalkyEL]

yes ..............

isn't that satan's game plan from day 1?  he is not a fool.  he knows exactly what he is doing.  he is a liar and the father of lies.

Shalom, Nana

[Soldier4Christ]

I wasn't referring to Bush or Graham.

[darwinatridge]

You are right. America began turning its back on God years ago. But I am thankful that God is still working to try and turn this nation around. How many times did He deal with Israel in an attempt to turn them from their sins? This nation, like Israel claims to have the same God. And like Israel, many times it has turned away. We do need to continue to pray that America turns back to the one true God and Heed the call to serve Him only. We do have a choice. The leaders of this nation are a reflection of America's heart. They are the ones we elect. As we have seen with all this garbage that the news media is doing to divide the country, we are divided. We have lost our moral concept of right and wrong, or more to the point. We have decided to ignore the Holy Spirit who convicts us on our beliefs. The church that claims to belong to Christ needs to stand and be counted. We all know what sin is. It is anything that separates us from God. Baal worshipping has to do with sexual and sensual pleasures, in other words, a lust for worldly things and values. We have allowed our government to replace the Ten Commandments of God with tens of thousands of commandment from the world. We have allowed the abortionist and the homosexuals to dictate the direction that this nation is taking. We have decided to sit down and do nothing as long as we are not effected by the actions of others. That to is a lie. What people do does effect those around them. And if the Christian community does nothing but sit on its hand, that effects a whole lot more than we care to realize.

[MalkyEL]

Pastor Roger,

ahhhhh ...........  you are not convinced .........

maybe I should brew up some more reality coffee?


Shalom, Nana

[MalkyEL]

darwinatridge,

Perhaps you could find me Scripture that says God now uses a nation to do His work.  

The body of Messiah was given a job to do.  It has nothing to do with America.  America is a godless giant.  It is full of corruption and filth.  God is looking for faithful men and women who are sold out to Him to be His hands and feet and to go where He sends them.

The Great Commission is not about America.  It is about you and me.

Shalom, Nana

[darwinatridge]

As for the national agenda you are refering to, God placed a whole nation into captivity to try to turn them around. He has destroyed nations because they refused to turn around. Don't you think that  is in the best interest of the nation to turn back to Him! If that is not a national agenda then I don't know what is.

[MalkyEL]

Please find a reference for me in the NT that talks about national salvation or that God will use a nation to spread the gospel.

[darwinatridge]

And who is you and me and our neighbors and our friends and our families. Jesus died on the cross for all that would answer his call. We are not the 144,000 that some people would claim that are the only ones to make it into heaven. As for scripture, God has used nations throughout history do deal with other nations. He used Babylon to deal with Israel. He used Persia to deal with Babylon. The scripture tell us that God directs all things to the good for those that are in Christ. If he has to use a nation to do so is it our place to tell him that He cannot? He will use the good and bad events to attempt to bring us about. As I have said in the past, we are not the judges of men, just their actions. And if we are so blind to not be able to tell what sin is then we are in trouble. But every man has a chance up until he takes his dying breath. The question is. Does any of us know when that is? The thief on the cross was greatful that his dying breath did not come before he had a chance to call out and claim Jesus as his Lord.

[Soldier4Christ]

Pastor Roger,

ahhhhh ...........  you are not convinced .........

maybe I should brew up some more reality coffee?


Shalom, Nana

Be sure to drink a whole pot yourself.