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« on: October 26, 2004, 11:57:29 AM »

Hal Lindsey hits the nail on the head once again.

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Islam’s Perpetual War with the West

One of the most distressing factors in the current election is that neither candidate understands the root causes of our conflict with Islamic terrorism.

Islam’s Perpetual War with the West

On a scale of a hundred, George Bush understands 80 percent more than John Kerry does. But there is still a fatal flaw in the best thinking of our leaders who are seeking to defend us against the current global Islamic ‘holy war’ that has been launched against us.


We are not involved in a traditional kind of war in which your opponent is either a physical nation or axis of nations. It is not a conflict where they can be confronted and defeated – as in World War One and Two, Korea or Viet Nam. It is not a conflict where we can isolate and blockade them. It is not even a war where we can annihilate them and the menace stops. This enemy is far too diversified, scattered and hidden to easily confront them.

We could capture or kill Osama bin-Laden and all the al-Qaeda leadership and it would not stop this ‘holy war’ or ‘Jihad’ that rages against us. Al-Qaeda is but one group of Islamic fanatics that seek to destroy us.

The root causes of the war we face are deeply embedded in a religion-based culture that totally rejects our culture and religions. Islam’s core teachings breed a deep civilizational hatred toward every thing Western culture stands for. In fact against any culture that is different from the one taught in the Koran. The committed Muslim thinks that this hatred for us is from God. The devout Muslim believes that when he rejects and attacks western culture, he is obeying specific commands in the Koran.

The West rarely takes one of Mohammad’s most basic teachings seriously. Yet it is a defining principle of Islam. Mohammad divided the world into only two spheres: ‘Dar al Islam’ or the region of peace and ‘Dar al Harb’ or the region of war. The ‘region of peace’ means that all its inhabitants are in ‘submission’ to Allah. The ‘region of war’ means that Muslims are to view it as a place of perpetually war until all are in submission to Allah and his laws.

Islam’s method of bringing the inhabitants of ‘Dar al Harb’ into submission is the sword. Islam’s method of ‘evangelism’ is by force of arms. You either convert to Islam or, if they choose, remain alive with no rights and pay an obscene tax for the ‘privilege’ of living among them.

Winston Churchill correctly observed, “The religion of Islam above all others was founded upon the sword … Moreover it provides incentives to slaughter, and in three continents has produced fighting breeds of men – filled with a wild and merciless fanaticism.”

A dispassionate examination of the Koran illustrates why this is. There are over 120 chapters (suras) in the Moslem holy book calling on believers to fight Jews and Christians, subjugate them, murder them, break treaties that are made with them, cut off their heads, tongues, hands, feet, crucify them.

Fourteen hundred years of history clearly bears out how Muslims have understood and implemented these commands from the Koran. The Muslim Faith did not spread from the Pyrenees to the Philippines within 100 years of Mohammed’s death, by peaceful proselytizing.

Judaism, Christianity and Islam have all had a profound impact on the world.

A promised deliverer named Moses founded Judaism. He led the Israelites out of Egyptian slavery and passed on to them the Laws God gave him upon which their nation was then built. According to the Bible, they were created as a people to be a light to guide people to the true God.

Jesus, a man of peace who did not even resist his own execution, founded Christianity. He offered all men atonement for their sins and forgiveness. He did not come to set up a kingdom on this earth, but rather He called people to join Him in an eternal heavenly kingdom that is entered by faith in His atonement for them.

A warlord named Mohammad who led men into battle and murdered disarmed opponents founded Islam. As he gained power, he became progressively more violent. Mohammad forced people to convert are die. Function has continued to follow form.

As we look at the crises of the world today, almost all of terrorism is committed and inspired by Islam. There are Muslim fundamentalists in every part of the world. These are Muslims who begin to take the Koran and the example of Mohammad seriously. As they do, they begin to have an all-consuming hatred of the Western civilization, of Judaism, Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, etc. They then either become active terrorists or support them.

This life or death struggle forced upon us by Islamic Fundamentalism will not be won quickly or easily. We must carry the battle to all Muslim countries that support terrorism in any way. We cannot allow them to supply weapons, money, logistics and sanctuary to them. We especially must immediately confront any nation that would put weapons of mass destruction (WMD) into their hands.

Our defense must be relentless and resolute. Any sign of weakness or loss of resolve will only encourage more attacks against our cities.

The prevalent U.S. policy of “political correctness” toward Islam must be abandoned if we are to survive at all. How can any knowledgeable person describe Islam as a “Religion of peace that has been hijacked by a few fanatics”? In view of the many verses in the Koran that command the faithful to kill and subdue Jews, Christians and other religions; to subject their countries to Islamic Sharia law against their will; the 1400 year history of conquest by the sword of other peoples and countries; the current worldwide plague of Islamic terrorism against the West – how can any sane person not view all Muslims as potential threats.

I am aware that about eighty percent of Muslims are not Fundamentalists and want to live peacefully among us. But these ‘peaceful Muslims’ need to be far more forthright in exposing the signs of radicalism and fanaticism by Muslims living among them. They need to not be offended or amazed if our security forces scrutinize their communities and Mosques. They need to have a spirit of cooperation instead of hollowing about their perceived offended rights. In view of what fellow Muslims have done to this country, they should consider themselves fortunate to have security people that seek to identify the guilty and to protect the innocent among them.

Muslims need to know that more people are learning what the Koran actually commands about subjecting them to submission to Allah by force. In view of the centuries of war, violence and murder that have been inspired by their faith’s core teachings, they need to realize that any Western society has to take some careful preventative measures to protect itself.

The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) needs to be much more concerned about cooperation with policing their communities than wailing about every warning that comes out about the threat Islamic Fundamentalists pose to this host nation.

After all, with Islam’s record of following the some 120 chapters (or surahs) that call for the killing and subjecting of Jewish and Christian ‘infidels’, CAIR should understand our intense concern. The Fundamentalist zealots of their religion, which have appeared in every generation since Mohammad, shouldn’t be allowed into any civilized nation on earth.

CAIR needs to also remember that where Moslems are in the majority, other faiths are proscribed (Saudi Arabia), severely circumscribed (Egypt) or subjected to relentless persecution (Pakistan, Indonesia, the Sudan and Northern Nigeria). Where Moslems are a substantial minority (Serbia, Macedonia, The Kashmir, Israel, Chechnya) there is intifada – terrorism in pursuit of succession.

So don’t lecture us on ‘religious tolerance’. Our survival as a people, nation and culture are at stake. We have been forced to defend ourselves. And given the nature of deception, dedication and lethality of the Islamic terrorist, we have to fight back with every means possible. And was must go where they are most likely to be found – hidden among the Muslim communities.

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Most people are unable to see how this war works (including elected officials).   There is no doubt in my mind that this problem will pervade until we reach the tribulation period.

Grace and Peace!
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« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2004, 12:27:45 PM »

I don't think the terrorists are against Christians or any other religion in America, for that matter.   I rather think they are against America's immoral lifestyles, and have over the years become fed up with the exporting of our ungodliness to their Arab soil.

President Bush seems hell bent on transforming Iraq into a "democracy", yet, when you think of it, what Arab in his right minds would want to fashion his country after America's "Babylonian" type government?!

To do so they'd have to turn from Allah, like America has from Jesus Christ, and embrace ALL gods.  For one thing, that would mean no more mentioning  of Allah in the public square.....and the loudspeakers beckoning them to prayer..... well, they'd be outlawed.

They'd have to basically give their nation to foreigners like Caucasian Americans have done, and set up laws which would make foreigners and minorities a federally protected peoples....... and anyone of their own who would protest to that would be ostracized and labled a racist.

We may have our riches, but the God whom we once served has forsaken us in America....because we've forsaken Him.  And that's a pitiful position to be in....a position I'd not wish upon ANY nation.
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« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2004, 01:47:09 PM »

I don't think the terrorists are against Christians or any other religion in America, for that matter.   I rather think they are against America's immoral lifestyles, and have over the years become fed up with the exporting of our ungodliness to their Arab soil.

President Bush seems hell bent on transforming Iraq into a "democracy", yet, when you think of it, what Arab in his right minds would want to fashion his country after America's "Babylonian" type government?!

To do so they'd have to turn from Allah, like America has from Jesus Christ, and embrace ALL gods.  For one thing, that would mean no more mentioning  of Allah in the public square.....and the loudspeakers beckoning them to prayer..... well, they'd be outlawed.

They'd have to basically give their nation to foreigners like Caucasian Americans have done, and set up laws which would make foreigners and minorities a federally protected peoples....... and anyone of their own who would protest to that would be ostracized and labled a racist.

We may have our riches, but the God whom we once served has forsaken us in America....because we've forsaken Him.  And that's a pitiful position to be in....a position I'd not wish upon ANY nation.


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« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2004, 03:24:18 PM »

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President Bush seems hell bent on transforming Iraq into a "democracy", yet, when you think of it, what Arab in his right minds would want to fashion his country after America's "Babylonian" type government?!

 Ya, why would Iraq want to become Babylon. Huh

 
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To do so they'd have to turn from Allah, like America has from Jesus Christ, and embrace ALL gods.  For one thing, that would mean no more mentioning  of Allah in the public square.....and the loudspeakers beckoning them to prayer..... well, they'd be outlawed.
 We may have our riches, but the God whom we once served has forsaken us in America....because we've forsaken Him.  And that's a pitiful position to be in....a position I'd not wish upon ANY nation.

 Show me a nation with a larger Christian population.

 Faye, find a Bible believing Christian church (be aware of cults) and ask them to wipe out all the confused, twisted ideas you have in your head in regard to Biblical doctrine and general understanding. Then get them to teach you what the Bible really says.

 Bronzesnake.
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« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2004, 07:55:27 AM »

 Smiley You people KNOW I'm telling the truth, so why are you in denial?
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« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2004, 11:43:39 AM »

Smiley You people KNOW I'm telling the truth, so why are you in denial?

Your truth is a bit misguided. The terrorist are against America, Israel, Christians and Jews because we have stopped them time and again from having free reign to do what they want to do and that is to take over the world, force their beliefs on everyone and torment or kill those that won't convert to their ways.

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« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2004, 01:03:56 PM »

Smiley You people KNOW I'm telling the truth, so why are you in denial?

Your truth is a bit misguided. The terrorist are against America, Israel, Christians and Jews because we have stopped them time and again from having free reign to do what they want to do and that is to take over the world, force their beliefs on everyone and torment or kill those that won't convert to their ways.


The Arabs have been fighting with their half-brother (the Jews) over the land of Israel ever since it existed as a nation, and will continue to do so until Christ returns. Thus, the dispute is over "land" not Judaism, and certainly not Christianity.
Matter of fact, I've YET to hear an Arab terrorist utter the words "Judaism" or Jesus Christ and "Christianity".   Thus it is you that is misguided.

And, with all due respect Pastor, it wasn't Iraq and Saddom Heussan who attacked America on 9-11.  As far as we know, Bin-Laden masterminded the attack, with Saudis who carried  it out.

Instead of going after and destroying ALL the terrorist training camps in the Middle East, and then nuking the major cities of those Arab nations which support them, including Iraq, our nation, for reasons known only to God and the Bush Adm. decided to invade Iraq and force our evil type of government on them.

The people of Iraq didn't ask America to liberate them from Saddom, and they CERTAINLY didn't ask for our demon-cratic  "way of life" which President Bush, and obviously you, are so proud of.

It's time that we Christians wake up to the fact that America is evil.  In fact, for a nation which once knew God, we are no doubt the most evil nation on the planet.

Our leaders cannot even distinguish between what is good and what is evil, and is the reason why everyone and everything, regardless how evil and perverted, are considered "equal" in our nation.

Jesus Christ is coming soon.  It's time we stop worshipping America and see our nation for what it is.

"And they worshipped the dragon (America) which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast?  Who is able to make war with him?"  Rev.13:4

 

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« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2004, 02:45:06 PM »

The Arabs have been fighting with their half-brother (the Jews) over the land of Israel ever since it existed as a nation, and will continue to do so until Christ returns. Thus, the dispute is over "land" not Judaism, and certainly not Christianity.
Matter of fact, I've YET to hear an Arab terrorist utter the words "Judaism" or Jesus Christ and "Christianity".   Thus it is you that is misguided.

You apparently haven't read the Koran or actually listened to any of them. They use the word "Zion" or "Zionist" in a very derogatory manner which is in reference to Jews and Christians and they use it frequently.

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And, with all due respect Pastor, it wasn't Iraq and Saddom Heussan who attacked America on 9-11.  As far as we know, Bin-Laden masterminded the attack, with Saudis who carried  it out.

Instead of going after and destroying ALL the terrorist training camps in the Middle East, and then nuking the major cities of those Arab nations which support them, including Iraq, our nation, for reasons known only to God and the Bush Adm. decided to invade Iraq and force our evil type of government on them.

The people of Iraq didn't ask America to liberate them from Saddom, and they CERTAINLY didn't ask for our demon-cratic  "way of life" which President Bush, and obviously you, are so proud of.

The war with Iraq never had anything to do with 9/11. It is and always has been a seperate entity until the terrorists got involved after it was already started.

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It's time that we Christians wake up to the fact that America is evil.  In fact, for a nation which once knew God, we are no doubt the most evil nation on the planet.

There is evil in America but then there is evil throughout the world. We in America certainly do not hold ALL the evil in our hands.

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Our leaders cannot even distinguish between what is good and what is evil, and is the reason why everyone and everything, regardless how evil and perverted, are considered "equal" in our nation.

Jesus Christ is coming soon.  It's time we stop worshipping America and see our nation for what it is.

I do not worship America. I worship God.

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"And they worshipped the dragon (America) which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast?  Who is able to make war with him?"  Rev.13:4


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« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2004, 03:34:12 PM »

 So far Faye has said the following ( among many other twisted things )

 Babylon = America

 The little horn = America

 The Dragon = America

 I've tried to address the first two in order to show Faye her mistake, but she refuses to open her eyes.

 Let's see what God says the dragon is. America? or satan?

 Rev 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

Rev 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

 So, was America ever cast out of Heaven and into the earth?
Also, were America's "angels" cast out with "him". Weird that a country should not only be cast out of Heaven and into the earth, but to be referred to as "him" hmmm - how could god have made such a mistake Faye?

Rev 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man [child].

 If we take these verses literally, we can only come to one conclusion - the dragon is satan.

 The only way we can conclude the dragon is America, is to - first of all - want the dragon to be America regardless of whether it's true or not - secondly - we would have to re, or misinterpret the verses in order to turn a "man" into a country, and spiritulize the word Heaven to mean a loss of favour of God, in order to explain away the description of the dragon being tossed out of Heaven with "his" angels. Then, we have to explain away the fight between Michael and his angels against the dragon and his angels...you see where this leads to - the entire Bible could be, twisted around to mean anything that any misguided, cult personality wanted it to mean. We've all seen the tragic results of such examples.

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