what's wrong with voting Kerry?

[Soldier4Christ]

I hadn't checked this thread for awhile but thought I would say why I am now a Kerry supporter.

I really thought Edwards was the proper choice so I would have said that he was the best man, but that choice is no longer available.

Kerry is slow to anger.  This is a complicated War we are in, simple direct actions are likely to be simply wrong.  We must consider the effects our actions will have years from now, not just shoot from the hip.  Kerry is clearly more suited to think situations over before taking action.

Is that the reason he is making accusations against Bush before he has all the facts (the missing weapons). Is that the reason that he keeps changing his mind on how he votes on different bills.

Kerry's tax policy is better for the middle class.  The moral strength of our country comes from the middle class.  The Middle Class is in great danger of shrinking.   A US without a large Middle Class is just another third-world country.

Rolling back tax cuts that Bush put in helps the middle class, right.

Kerry is willing to cooperate with other countries.  The US must turn from the idea that we are the only superpower and it's our way or the highway.  We aren't going to win anything if it's the US against the World.  Kerry is quite well suited to meet with and negotiate favorable positions for the US even with countries that aren't always our best friends.

Cooperating with the enemy so they get their way and are able to overcome us.

Kerry's health care plan is the better of the two.  That isn't saying a lot, but it is better.  It would help where people are loosing their whole life's work to catastrophic health care costs.  It would also help remove some of the fear employers have of hiring someone who might or does have health issues.

I am handicapped and I don't see Kerry's health "plan" helping anyone. In fact it will cause more health problems by allowing prescription drugs that are not safe for consumption to be used. His "plan" also calls for our children to get certain types of care without their parents consent or notification.

[Allinall]

Kerry is slow to anger.  This is a complicated War we are in, simple direct actions are likely to be simply wrong.  We must consider the effects our actions will have years from now, not just shoot from the hip.  Kerry is clearly more suited to think situations over before taking action.  

I must disagree my friend.  I wouldn't class Kerry as more suited to think situations over before taking action as much as I would more likely to think future, personal political ramifications over before taking action.  If it hurts him in the polls...he'll flip that flop quicker than flies on a cow patty.  K.  Maybe that's a bad analogy...  

Kerry's tax policy is better for the middle class.  The moral strength of our country comes from the middle class.  The Middle Class is in great danger of shrinking.  A US without a large Middle Class is just another third-world country.  

I would find it interesting to see just who makes up the middle class in Kerry's viewpoint.  I, most likely, would be considered filthy rich.  In the scheme of things, I'm on the low end of middle class.  My ends don't always meet.  In my opinion, if elected, Kerry will tax the daylights out of me.  He's already said he would.  Bush, gave me money back when he came in, and I haven't been taxed any greater.  But that's just me.

Kerry is willing to cooperate with other countries.  The US must turn from the idea that we are the only superpower and it's our way or the highway.  We aren't going to win anything if it's the US against the World.  Kerry is quite well suited to meet with and negotiate favorable positions for the US even with countries that aren't always our best friends.

I will agree to a point, but not as a whole.  The US needs to be a bit more humble in my opinion.  But Kerry is not willing to stand up and lead without the approval of the world as a whole.  In the previous presidency, no one enforced the sanctions/edicts from the UN on Iraq.  We continued to send inspectors, most of whom were turned away.  Waiting for the world to approve our action was not the wise course.  Bush came in and did what the UN should have done to begin with, but was waiting for someone with the...ahem, motivation to get the job done.  If not, we would not have had the coalition we had going into the war.

And here's a little soapbox I'll hop up on for a minute.  Who opposed us the greatest in this war?  France, Germany and Russia - all of whom had a cut in the food for oil deal.  They were making money off of the Iraqui's refusal to acquiesce to the UN's requests.  And we're worried about having offended them?  France should be allied with us after all we have done for them.  Germany should be allied with us after all we have done for them.  Russia should have sense enough to ally with us after all we have done for them when their economy was about to collapse.  I think Bush did the right thing, and in a far better fashion than I would have.  I'd have dumped NATO in the trash after all that.

Kerry's health care plan is the better of the two.  That isn't saying a lot, but it is better.  It would help where people are loosing their whole life's work to catastrophic health care costs.  It would also help remove some of the fear employers have of hiring someone who might or does have health issues.

Dangerous ground here...

Well, them's my two-cents worth.  Not really worth that much, but I sure feel better!

[nChrist]

Brothers and Sisters,

Sarcastic mode ON:

We need to remember that there is NO terrorist threat.

There are no weapons in Iraq.

There are no terrorists in Iraq.

Iraq is the wrong war..................on and on. Everyone involved is incompetent and stupid, including our Allies. Just trust Kerry - he has a plan.

The Bush Administration is incompetent.

Our military leaders are incompetent.

Our Armed Forces are incompetent.

Homeland Security is incompetent.

Kerry has a better plan, and he has a plan for a plan. Nobody knows what it is, but it's better than all other plans.

What would Kerry do differently?  Answer - Everything.
 
See the above question and ask HOW!!

Kerry would have passed a GLOBAL TEST before doing anything. Kerry voted no for the first Gulf War, so it didn't pass the GLOBAL TEST.

Kerry would have gotten France, Germany, Russia, and China as Allies in the current Iraq war. He calls the Allies we have the bribed and coerced. By the way, Kerry doesn't count the sacrifice of the people of Iraq in fighting this war. Kerry made fun of the new Iraq leader when he gave a heart-felt speech thanking America.

UM??? - How would Kerry have gotten France, Germany, Russian and China as Allies while they were violating the UN sanctions that they voted for? Why would those countries sacrifice the many billions of dollars of corruption they were involved in? In fact, they represent the absolute corruption of the United Nations.

Just trust Kerry - He will hunt the terrorists down wherever they are, just not Iraq. In fact, Kerry has a plan to hunt them down and a GLOBAL TEST to pass before anything is done.

Kerry will win the war in Iraq - he has a plan. It's the wrong war............., and everyone fighting it is incompetent, but Kerry will win it.
___________________________________

WOW!! - A tape released today is Bin Laden campaigning for Kerry. He couldn't send a bomb, so his network is crippled, falling apart, and dying all over the world. The Bush Administration has done what I thought was impossible. There hasn't been another terrorist attack on our soil since 9-11, and I thought that accomplishment was totally impossible. That doesn't mean that we won't get hit tomorrow, but it does mean that our Administration, Intelligence, Armed Forces, and Police agencies have done an unbelievable and impressive job.

BUT, everyone was incompetent, and Kerry has a plan to do everything differently.

If the above isn't enough, Kerry has a plan to raise taxes, give us socialized medical care, protect abortion, have the nation wink at gay marriage, use taxpayer dollars for abortions, allow juveniles to get abortions without parental consent or notification, and spend over a trillion dollars with big government programs that are not currently funded.

NO THANKS KERRY!!

[Soldier4Christ]

blackeyedpeas,

Love your sarcasm..

A tape released today is Bin Laden campaigning for Kerry.

One more reason to:

VOTE FOR BUSH!

[nChrist]

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THE PATRIOT PERSPECTIVE - Part One

Top of the fold -- Bush lied, he misled us...

At least, that has been John Kerry's most oft-repeated assertion for the last six months.

It is no coincidence that Kerry would use such a claim as the foundation of his campaign rhetoric. In fact, it is enlightening. You see, campaign hacks for a challenger use focus groups to determine their candidate's most distinguished flaw, and then tutor their candidate on how to cast the incumbent with a greater measure of that flaw. Clearly, John Kerry's most apparent liabilities are his lack of integrity and lack of fitness for command -- and there is plenty of evidence for both deficiencies.

Kerry insists, "I've never, ever used the harshest word ['lie']." But of course, that is a lie. Preceding that remark, he said, "This administration has lied to us.  They have misled us." After it, he said, "[Bush] failed to tell you the truth. ... I believe that it is important to tell the truth to the American people."

A charter member of Kerry's Leftist cadre, Al Franken, wrote a book a few years back entitled, "Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them." Apparently, Kerry adopted it as his campaign playbook. While the "F" in JFK may stand for "fib," "fabrication," "falsehood,"
"fallacy," "feint," "forgery," "fake," and, phonetically speaking, "phony," it also stands for "flip-flop." Kerry's strategy to paint President George W. Bush as a liar is subterfuge to divert attention from Kerry's own extensive record of fibs and flips. As readers of this column well know, Kerry has been on both sides of just about every issue -- which is to say, he has lied to just about everyone at one time or another.

In this, the last Patriot essay before Election Day, 2004, it is worth reviewing a few of Kerry's lies -- in his own words. We don't have sufficient bandwidth to publish all of them, but those that follow are both representative, and typically transparent, of Kerry's mendacity.

Who can forget these memorable recollections from Kerry's "heroics" in Vietnam: "I remember spending Christmas Day of 1968 five miles across the Cambodian border. I have that memory which is seared -- seared -- in me. ... [American military personnel in Vietnam] personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, [blew] up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to...the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country. ... There are all kinds of atrocities and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed...."

He is still trying to make amends for those lies: "When it comes to war and peace, I will tell the truth to the American people.... For 35 years I have stood up, and fought, and kept faith with my fellow veterans. [Bush has] not kept faith with veterans across this country. And one of the first definitions of patriotism is keeping faith with those who wore the uniform of our country."

On the economy, Kerry lies: "Now, the president has presided over an economy where we've lost 1.6 million jobs. The first president in 72 years to lose jobs. ... This is the worst economy since Herbert Hoover. ... This president chose a tax cut over homeland
security. ... We didn't need that tax cut. ... I'm fighting for the middle class."

On social issues, Kerry lies: "They are going to privatize your Social Security. ... They're taking money from Social Security and transferring it to the wealthiest people in America to drive us into debt. ... I believe it's time to stop viewing innovative approaches as anomalies or threats to traditional public schools and begin seeing them as part of the future of public education. ... Public schools need resources and support, and vouchers drain them of both. ... I oppose abortion, personally. I don't like abortion. I believe life does begin at conception. ... I have a plan to cover all [make that 25 of 45 million uninsured] Americans. ... I am not proposing a government-run [healthcare] program. It is not a government takeover. The government has nothing to do with it."

___________________See Part Two

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On the most important issue of the day, our worldwide war against Jihadi terrorists, and particularly the Jihadi warfront in Iraq, Kerry lies: "We were safer before President Bush came to office. I went to meet with the members of the Security Council in the week before we voted. I went to New York. I talked to all of them. ... I sat with the French and British, Germans, with the entire Security Council. ... I will never hesitate to use force when it is required. Any attack will be met with a swift and certain response. ... America must fight and win two wars. The war in Iraq and the war on terror. ... President Bush likes to
confuse the two. ... In fact, Iraq was a profound diversion from that war [on terror] and the battle against the enemy. ... I can do a better job of protecting America's security because the [global] test that I was talking about was a test of legitimacy, not just in the globe, but elsewhere. ... If George Bush were to be re-elected .... there is great potential [that he would re-instate the draft]."

And there's much more from Kerry on the war: "Osama bin Laden escaped in the mountains of Tora Bora. We had him surrounded. But we didn't use American forces, the best trained in the world, to go kill him. The president relied on Afghan warlords. ... We are 90 percent of the casualties in Iraq. ... The war costs -- $200 billion. And it's in Iraq. And Iraq is not even the center of the focus on the war on terror. I don't think any United States Senator is going to abandon our troops and recklessly leave Iraq to whatever follows as a result of simply cutting and running. That's irresponsible. ... My position on Iraq has been consistent. ... I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it.... That's not a flip-flop. That's not a flip-flop. ... I have no intention of wilting. I've never wilted in my life. And I've never wavered in my life. ... Let me tell you straight up: I've never changed my mind about Iraq."

On the flip-side, Kerry has said of the war in Iraq: "Saddam Hussein has used weapons of mass destruction against his own people.... I think we ought to put the heat on Saddam
Hussein. I've said that for a number of years. I criticized the Clinton administration for backing off.... I think we need to put the pressure on, no matter what the evidence is about September 11. .... I think we clearly have to keep the pressure on terrorism globally. This doesn't end with Afghanistan by any imagination. And I think the president has made that clear. I think we have made that clear. Terrorism is a global menace. It's a scourge. And it is absolutely vital that we continue, for instance, Saddam Hussein. I agree completely with this Administration's goal of a regime change in Iraq. ... Saddam Hussein is a renegade and outlaw who turned his back on the tough conditions of his surrender put in place by the United Nations in 1991. ... If Saddam Hussein is unwilling to bend to the international community's already existing order, then he will have invited enforcement...even if that enforcement is mostly at the hands of the United States, a right we retain even if the Security Council fails to act. ... The president always reserves the right to act unilaterally to protect the interests of our country. ... I do not regret my vote [in support of the Iraq war]. ... I think it was the right vote based on what Saddam Hussein had done, and I think it was the right thing to do to hold him accountable.  [My position] can't be clearer."

________________________ See Part Three

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And Kerry's lies keep piling up.

In old news that was slated to be recycled by CBS talkinghead Dan Rather this Sunday (leaving too little time to debunk it), the latest, and perhaps last Kerry prevarication of this campaign (concerning some quantity of HMX and RDX explosives missing at al-Qa Qaa weapons installation south of Baghdad) was printed by The New York Times ahead of schedule. "Our plan was to run the story on October 31, but it became clear that it wouldn't hold," said Jeff Fager, executive producer of the Sunday "60 Minutes" said.

Memo to CBS News President Andrew Heyward: Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last?

And speaking of decency -- or the egregious lack thereof -- Kerry was quick to spin the "story," blaming our military forces in Iraq, and their commander in chief, with dereliction of duty. Of the latter, Kerry said: "Now we know that our country and our troops are less safe because this president failed to do the basics. This is one of the great blunders of Iraq, one of the great blunders of this administration. The incredible incompetence of this president
and his administration has put our troops at risk and put our country at greater risk than we ought to be. After being warned about the danger of major stockpiles of explosives in Iraq, this administration failed to guard those stockpiles -- where nearly 377 tons of highly explosive weapons were kept. The missing explosives could very likely be in the hands of terrorists and insurgents, who are actually attacking our forces now 80 times a day on average."

Unfortunately for Kerry, et al., it only took a few hours to debunk this feeble crack at an October surprise.

As The Patriot previously noted in October, 2002, our well-placed sources in the region, and intelligence sources with the NSA and NRO, estimated that the UN Security Council's foot-dragging provided a large window for Saddam to export some or all of his deadliest WMD materials and components. At that time, we reported Allied Forces would be unlikely to discover Iraq's WMD stores, noting, "Our sources estimate that Iraq has shipped some or all of its biological stockpiles and nuclear WMD components through Syria to southern Lebanon's heavily fortified Bekaa Valley." In December of 2002, our senior-level intelligence sources re-confirmed estimates that some of Iraq's biological and nuclear WMD material and components had, in fact, been moved into Syria and Iran. That movement continued until President Bush finally pulled the plug on the UN's ruse.

Indeed, Kerry and his Leftmedia minions have it all wrong -- again. The NRO released photos of heavy trucks loading materials from the bunker in question at al-Qa Qaa Explosive Storage Complex on 17 March 2003, three days prior to the U.S. invasion of Iraq
http://federalistpatriot.us/news/alqaqaa.asp.  And Kerry and company may have gotten additional facts all wrong. U.S. forces did find conventional weapons in the bunker in question but did not find what the UN's IAEA estimated to be three tons of HMX and RDX -- not 377 tons as claimed by Kerry.

Of course, 6,000 pounds of HMX and RDX is significant -- it only took one pound of this substance in the hands of Libyan agents to bring down PanAm 103 in 1988. Of course, we all know by now how accurate these weapons estimates have been -- and the UN was one step removed from the best intelligence available.

____________________________See Part Four

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President Bush responded to Kerry's allegations, "Now the Senator is making wild charges about missing explosives, when his top foreign-policy adviser admits, quote, 'We do not know the facts.' Think about that: The senator is denigrating the actions of our troops and commanders in the field without knowing the facts...."

Which brings us to the greatest of Kerry's lies this campaign season: "It is vital for us not to confuse the war, ever, with the warriors. That happened before."

Indeed, it did happen before -- Vietnam. Swift Boat Vet Robert Elder notes, "It is a fact that in the entire Vietnam War we did not lose one major battle.  We lost the war at home, and
at home John Kerry was the field general." (Kerry's extensive and well-documented record of anti-American activities over the past three decades are covered in "Aid and comfort to the enemy:

The Kerry record..." and "John Kerry: More aid and comfort..." at
http://FederalistPatriot.US/alexander/

Again, as President Bush noted, Kerry is "denigrating the actions of our troops and commanders in the field without knowing the facts...."

Kerry can't have it both ways. There is a direct correlation between his undermining of U.S. and Allied resolve in the war against terrorism -- specifically on the Iraqi warfront
with Jihadistan -- and American and Allied causalities on that front. Those forces, including countless Iraqis, are being injured and killed in larger numbers because of the political dissent Kerry and his ilk are fomenting.

A few weeks ago, John Edwards unwittingly provided the evidence for this very correlation: "We lost more troops in September than we lost in August; lost more in August than we lost in July; lost more in July than we lost in June."

As Kerry's use of the war for political fodder has increased in tenor, so too has the spirit of our Jihadi enemies. As noted recently by Mohammad Amin Bashar, a professor at Baghdad's Islamic University, "If the U.S. Army suffered numerous humiliating losses, Kerry would emerge as the superman of the American people." Abu Jalal, an Iraqi resistance leader, added, "American elections and Iraq are linked tightly together. We've got to work to change the election, and we've done so. With our strikes, we've dragged Bush into the mud."

The net effect can certainly be felt in greater attacks on American and Allied casualties. Those casualties equal more votes for John Kerry. This was, and remains, the unavoidable consequence of Kerry's reckless campaign rhetoric. The blood of those American Patriots (like the blood of his "brothers" in Vietnam, after he used that war as fodder for his 1972 congressional campaign), is on John Kerry's hands. To be sure, this is the harshest of all condemnations. But it is also the truth.

Both Kerry and Edwards know the consequences of their actions. Fact is, they think the lives of American military personnel on the warfront with Jihadistan are second-rate to their political ambitions. He should be held accountable.

As for Kerry's claims, "I've met with foreign leaders who can't go out and say this publicly. But, boy, they look at you and say: 'You've got to win this. You've got to beat this guy. We need a new policy.' Things like that."

Indeed, Saddam Hussein, Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi, Osama bin Laden, Kim Jong-Il, Mohammad Khatami, Moammar al-Ghadafi, Hu Jingtao, Jacques Chirac, Gerhard Schroeder and Kofi Annan are all rooting for John Kerry to beat George W. Bush on Tuesday. What does that
tell you, fellow Patriots?

A vote for John Kerry is a vote for a lie -- a fraud. It is a vote against liberty and freedom. But if the Democrat Party has been fully co-opted by Kerry's deceit, that assertion may be purely academic.

And a final note. Election seasons are always hard on The Patriot's editorial staff and contributors -- we are doing double time, covering both the news, policy and opinion outlets we always cover, plus all the election news. But one feature section, "The BIG Lie," has been easy to fill every week since John Kerry won the Democrat primaries last March.  The challenge with that section has been choosing which of Kerry's comments in any given
week constitute the BIGGEST lie!

[Soldier4Christ]

A man that accuses another of the wrong doing that he has done.


An excellant article, brother, thank you.

[Marv]

You guys are so funny!

Start out with tells us why you vote for Kerry, don't just attack Bush, blah, blah, blah.... and then when I do a brief thing like was requested.  Page after page of anti-Kerry.  I never saw any of you say well here's why I support Bush.  Just attack and attack.

Biggest bunch of hypocrits on the net.  Being led down the path to slaughter, blissfully unaware.  Too bad the 3 stooges name is already taken.

Just my opinion.
Marv

[Soldier4Christ]

Ok. Those were my reasons for not voting for Kerry. You want my reason for voting for Bush here they are.

1.) Bush supports the passage of a Federal Marriage
     Protection Amendment.

2.) Permanent Extension of the $1000.00 Per Child Tax Credit

3.) Educational Choice for Parents (Vouchers)

4.) Federal Funding for Faith-based Charitable Organizations

5.) Permanent Elimination of the Marriage Penalty Tax

6.) Permanent Elimination of the Death Tax

7.) Banning Partial Birth Abortions

8.) Prescription Drug Benefits for Medicare Recipients

9.) Allowing Younger Workers to Invest a Portion of their
     Social Security Tax in a Private Account

10.) Benefits for Veterans, especially those sick or injured in
      time of war

11.) Supports the Military in Supplies, Benefits and Pay Raises
 

Opposes:

1.) Unrestricted Abortion on Demand

2.) Public Financing of Abortions

3.) Federal Firearms Registration & Licensing of Gun Owners

4.) Adoption of Children by Homosexuals

5.) Placing US Troops Under UN Control

6.) Affirmative Action Programs that Provide Perferential
     Treatment

7.) Opposes Government Benefits for Illegal Aliens

In addition to all these he has a proven track record in his votes for the things that he states that he is for (doesn't flip flop).

There are more that I can't remember at this moment but these will do for now.

[Allinall]

Ya see?  I knew there was a reason I was votin' for Bush!    Thanks brother for bringing those points to light.  

[Soldier4Christ]

You're welcome.

[sincereheart]

I hadn't checked this thread for awhile but thought I would say why I am now a Kerry supporter.

I really thought Edwards was the proper choice so I would have said that he was the best man, but that choice is no longer available.

Kerry is slow to anger.  This is a complicated War we are in, simple direct actions are likely to be simply wrong.  We must consider the effects our actions will have years from now, not just shoot from the hip.  Kerry is clearly more suited to think situations over before taking action.  

Kerry's tax policy is better for the middle class.  The moral strength of our country comes from the middle class.  The Middle Class is in great danger of shrinking.   A US without a large Middle Class is just another third-world country.  

Kerry is willing to cooperate with other countries.  The US must turn from the idea that we are the only superpower and it's our way or the highway.  We aren't going to win anything if it's the US against the World.  Kerry is quite well suited to meet with and negotiate favorable positions for the US even with countries that aren't always our best friends.

Kerry's health care plan is the better of the two.  That isn't saying a lot, but it is better.  It would help where people are loosing their whole life's work to catastrophic health care costs.  It would also help remove some of the fear employers have of hiring someone who might or does have health issues.

That's a nutshell, but you wanted it short.

Marv

I was one of those asking for an answer like this. Thank you!  

[Marv]

Sincereheart,

You're welcome.

I've struggled with who to support this election, neither Presidential candidate has much in the way of credentials as far as I am concerned.

What tips it for me is the guys in the Bush administration who were buddy buddy with Saddam a few years ago while he was using poison gas almost everyday, they accepted him using it on the Kurds as long as he used it against the Iranians too.  We even blocked UN resolutions against it.  

We sold him a lot of those weapons and tools that are now missing.

Leaving those same guys in power to run the War on Terror I just can't abide.  Sends a clear message to the Arabs that we are nothing but terrorists ourselves.  Makes the arguements against the US very believable.

Marv