Why dislike Mormons so much?

[nChrist]

Taken from the "Official Morman website," morman.org

"Jesus Christ is the Son of God. He is Heavenly Father’s Only Begotten Son in the flesh. He is our Redeemer. Through Jesus Christ, Heavenly Father has provided a way for all people to become like Him and return to live with Him forever.

We love Christ. We worship Christ. He is our example and our Savior."

As for myself, I have never thought Mormans were all bound for hell, just as I don't believe all Catholics are bound for hell. It is about a personal relationship with Jesus, as the Son of our living God - end of story. Accept Jesus as your savior and make Him Lord of your life!

Hello Lefty,

Welcome to Christians Unite.

Please read this entire thread again because the absolute truth about Mormons is here. This thread isn't about hating Mormons, mainly because Christians don't hate lost people and never will hate lost people. There are a lot of Mormon doctrines that are much more bizarre that aren't even mentioned here, and those Mormon doctrines are also in complete disagreement with the Holy Bible. In short, there is a very thin veneer that makes Mormons appear to be Christians, but a glance beyond the initial hype reveals a completely false religion, blasphemy of GOD, and elevation of man over JESUS CHRIST. The detailed Mormon teachings about JESUS CHRIST are blasphemy, and they don't resemble the JESUS CHRIST of the Holy Bible.

Bluntly, Mormonism is a cult that has nothing to do with Christianity except blasphemy of GOD THE FATHER, GOD THE SON, AND GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT. Telling someone that you love JESUS CHRIST and then grossly distorting who HE is does NOT please GOD. Those of Islam do the same thing, and Christians don't hate them either. We love them and have a burden for them because they are LOST.

To help you begin a search for the absolute TRUTH, I'll give you some hints to help you get started.

GOD THE FATHER IS ALMIGHTY GOD.

GOD THE SON, JESUS CHRIST, IS ALMIGHTY GOD.

GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT IS ALMIGHTY GOD.

The three are distinct, but they are one.

The are known as the GODHEAD or the HOLY TRINITY, and they are also the CREATOR, yet the three are one.

Not one of the GODHEAD was created because they are the CREATOR.

The GODHEAD has existed for eternity past and will exist for eternity future.
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Joseph Smith was a false prophet, and his book of mormon is fiction.
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Mormons are quite welcome on Christians Unite, just as all lost people are quite welcome on Christians Unite. However, we don't allow the teaching of mormon doctrine here because it disputes the Holy Bible and blasphemes GOD. This is not subject to debate here at all because this is a Christian forum. You are most welcome to stay and learn about the REAL JESUS CHRIST. There aren't any lies about mormon doctrine in this thread, just a small dose of the absolute TRUTH. If the TRUTH upsets some people or makes them angry, so be it. Eternity is at stake, so anything less than the TRUTH would be very cruel and hateful.

[Shammu]

The "Mormons" is the Church of   "contradictions", and of "deception".

See the 13 Articles of Faith of the Mormons:
They are one the first statements they will show when they go to the homes... some of them are beautiful, but some of them are great Christian deceptions.... be aware!.

The "Bible":

It is good... but it is good for nothing, at least it agrees with the "Book of Mormon". In fact, Smith introduced 125 new verses only in the New Testament, and changed 1,475 verses in the Bible.

- Only the Mormons use "their Bible", no other Christian does... in fact, no other Christian denomination considers the Mormons as Christians, though they have the name of "Jesus Christ" as the main title of their Church.

"Jesus Christ", and the "Father":

"God the Father", and "Jesus Christ" of the Mormons are not those of the real Bible:

- "God the Father", for the Mormons, was once a man, but became God. He has a physical body, as does his wife, Heavenly Mother. Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are three separate gods. Worthy men may one day become gods themselves.

- "Jesus Christ", like God the Father, for the Mormons is "eternal" because he has no end, like any other man, but he is "not eternal", because he had a beginning: He was born from Adam (who was God), by sexually cohabiting with the Virgin Mary in a physical, flesh relationship. Brigham declared emphatically, "Jesus was not begotten by the Holy Ghost". Jesus was married and had children with the two sisters of Lazarus, Maria and Martha... and Jesus became God, as you and I can become God, like Him!... everything contrary of what the real Bible says!.

- An another strange thing of the Mormons: Jesus and Lucifer are brothers!.

The "Latter-day Saints":

The "Latter-day Saints" of the title of their Church, are the "Mormons", because all the churches and creeds before Smith are "abomination" into the Lord, as revealed to Smith by God the Father and Jesus Christ!.

- Any man can become God... "As man now is, God once was; as God now is, man can become", is one of the most famous aphorisms of the Mormons... but of course, only the Mormons can become God, if they are faithful to their Church!... and only "men", not "women".

- This concept of "every man is god", has been taken up by the New Age Movement, but using different methods to become god.

- The Mormons could build on earth a "Garden of Eden", and that's the idea of Utah, USA... but Utah is still not a Garden of Eden!.

The "family"... "polygamy"... "women":

This is another "contradiction" and "deception"of the Mormon Church:

- The "family", "is the most important unit of life", for the Mormons... however, there is polygamy!

-"Polygamy", is forbidden in the "Book of Mormons"; however, Smith, in his 132 revelation was ordered by God to have polygamy, as in the life of Solomon: So, Smith had 27 wives officially, and 60 unofficially, and the second great leader, Brigham Young, had 25 wives with 56 children, and proclaimed, "he who rejects the doctrine of polygamy shall be condemned"... and "the only men who become gods are those who enter polygamy"... however, a third "little Pope", Fielding, abolished officially polygamy in 1904.

... Today, polygamy is forbidden in the Mormon Church, but an estimated 30,000 fundamentalist Mormons have plural marriages in Utah.

- "Women", cannot become priests or church leaders, and cannot become gods... may be this is one reason why in the Mormon Church women have the highest rate of suicides in the nation, the highest percentage in mental institutions, and the highest percentage of divorces in the nation.

The "Book of Mormon":

The "Book of Mormon" is the greatest deception: It was dictated by Smith to Cowdery, not face to face, but from behind a curtain, in a period of 4 years, since 1827 to 1830.

- The story of Smith, is that the Book was written by Mormon in the year 400 A.C., and found by Smith 1,400 years later in Cumorah, near Palmyra, N.Y., with the help of angel Moroni. The Book was buried, and engraved on thin sheets of gold metal, nobody knows how many sheets, 200?, 2,000?... and with the book, there were a pair of large "supernatural spectacles", to translate the reformed Egyptian hieroglyphics of the sheets.

- After translating the Book, Smith returned it to Moroni, without even showing to his wives this great unique treasure... nobody knows what he did with the "supernatural spectacles", another unique great treasure!...

... But for most evangelicals, the Book is a plagiarism of a fiction novel written by Solomon Spaulding in 1816, "Manuscript Story"... and may be this is the reason why Smith always dictated the book from behind a curtain.

- Martin Harris, an old friend of Smith, portrayed him as "a religious faker, a charlatan", in a letter in 1830.

"Contents" of the Book of Mormon:

It is another great deception:

- The Book relates a thousand-year history of a lost tribe of Israelites who left Palestine and came to America to become the ancestors of the Native Americans. The leader of the lost tribe was Lehi, who had two sons: Laman and Nephi. They lived in pease and love, until the Lamanites became bad people, who fought and annihilated the Nephites near Palmyra, N.Y. in 428 AC But, before his demise, Mormon, the Nephite leader, wrote and buried his Book, including the appearance of Christ in America, after his resurrection, instituting the ordinances of baptism, communion, and priesthood.

-- The Book was published in 1830, with the subtitle "Another Testament of Jesus Christ", and it is the most sacred scripture for the Mormons, "the most correct book of any on earth"...

... But here comes the big deception:

- The Mormon's doctrine often contradicts the Book of Mormon's doctrine:

- The Book says, "there is only one God", Mormonism teaches "there are many gods" (Mosiah 15:1-5, Alma 11:28, 2 Nephi 31:21, Journal of Discourses, Smith, Vol.6, pag..5).

- The Book says, "the Trinity is one God", Mormonism teaches, "the Trinity is 3 separate gods" (Alma 11:44, Mosiah 15:5, 2 Nephi 31:21, Articles of Faith,Talmage, pag.35, 1985).

- The Book says, "God is Spirit", Mormonism teaches "God has the form of a man" (Alma 18:24,28, Journal of Discourses, Smith, Vol.6, p.3.

- The Book says, "polygamy condemned", but polygamy was taught and practiced (Jacob 1:15, 2:23-31, Ether 10:5,7, Mosiah 11:2,4, Journal of Discourses, Young, Vol.3, p.266).

... And another big deception:

At least 12 essential Mormon doctrines are not found in the Book of Mormon: The Church organization, the Aaronic priesthood, Celestial Marriage, Baptism for the Dead, men my become gods, the pre-existing doctrine, the 3 degrees of glory in heaven, eternal progression, God is an exalted man, plurality of gods, plurality of wives doctrine, Word of Wisdom...

The "biggest deception":

The "biggest deception" of the Mormons is that their "Sacred Books" contradict each other, so, if you tell them that Mormonism teaches that there are many gods, they will show you the Book of Mormon teaching that there is only one God... and so forth...

To be cont....

[Shammu]

The "Articles of Faith":

When they go to your home, they show you some of their "Articles of Faith", those appealing to a good Christian, but they are very deceptive: For example, the Article 1 says, "We believe in God, the eternal Father, and in his son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Spirit"... but they don't say that they are 3 gods!... and they don't say that the Father is "eternal" only because he has no end, like any other men, but he had a beginning, so, he was actually "not eternal"... Article 8 says, "We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly"... but they don't explain to you that the "right translation" of Smith contains 1,475 verses changed from the real Bible.

The "Sacred Books" of the Mormons":

The "Book of Mormon"; The "Bible", correctly translated; "Doctrines and Covenants"; "The Pearl of Great Price", with the "Articles of Faith", and, like the Book of Mormon, is considered to be a divine revelation superior to the Bible.

Joseph Smith was a "false prophet":

Smith thought he was living in the last days before Christ return, and prophesied Jesus Second coming for 1890, but he died in 1844, without witnessing the non-fulfillment of his prophecy.

"Restitution"... the "key word":

The key word for the Mormons is "restitution", the words of Peter in Act.3:21, "restitution of all things"... they claim this restitution, or restoration, began in 1820 with Smith: The restitution of divine truths with the Book of Mormons, restitution of the priesthood, of sacred temples... but they don't realize that Peter was talking about "Jesus Christ", who restored already everything with his death and resurrection almost 2,000 years ago... Peter was not talking about Smith!.

The "blacks":

Smith taught that they were the defendants of Cain and therefore cursed... they were barred from the priesthood until Spencer Kimball received a "revelation" abrogating this injunction. Kimball died in 1985, and was succeeded as President by Ezra Taft Benson.

"Good people"... another deception:

It is impressive to see the young Mormons dedicating 2 years full time to the Church as missionaries, going the two in two, with closely cropped hair and regalia of dark suits, white shirts, subdued ties, polished shoes... representing the most basic human values: Patriotism, sobriety, familial responsibilities, hard work...

- Their sincerity is beyond question, 30,000 of them, garner 200,000 converts each year...

... But they are deceived, as millions of young Communists were deceived, as the followers of Jimmy Jones were deceived... and deceived people are the best to deceive other people...

... They are deceived, expecting to become God, and create new planets... they are deceived with the satanic and masonic rituals of the "celestial marriages" in the temple... they are deceived thinking that with the proxy "baptism for the dead" they can save their ancestors... a "baptism for the dead" taken erroneously from 1Cor.15:29...

- I pray Jesus to light the life of those Mormons of good faith, and I order Satan to go out of the heart of any Mormon who may read these lines. Only Satan can make up such deceptions and contradictions. Thank you, Jesus.

A Rich Church:

When you visit Temple Square in Salt Lake City, everything is "free"... but don't be deceived... the Mormon Church has assets of $8 "billion", making it the wealthiest Protestant Church in America... not everything is free!... all this fortune comes from the "deceived members", they end up giving to the Church their money, time, and life.

Cults, Different groups, on C.U.

[Tawhano]

Please read this entire thread again because the absolute truth about Mormons is here.

I beg to differ.

p.s.  Check out their teachings, although they (the Mormons)
say they believe in Jesus, they do not teach he is the son
of God, nor do they teach that he is the Messiah.

This is false. The Mormon Church does in fact teach that Jesus is the son of God and that he is the Messiah.

Joesph Smith is greater than Jesus…
Jesus is a good teacher, but not as good as Joesph

This is not the teachings of their church.

Genelogy is very very important so that they can trace there blood line back to members of the bibles.

This not why they believe genealogy is important. They believe it is important because they believe in baptism of the dead, which is where you can be baptized in proxy for a person who passed away without being baptized.

…and when Mormons family's have children they are providing a body for a spirit being from Heaven to come to earth to do good, so we have chosen our own destiny, being handi capped, rich, poor, depends on how low you choose to come to earth, as to have well you improve yourself thru a pyramid kind of faith.

Not sure where you are getting your information but this again is not even close to the truth of what the Mormon Church teaches.

The reason Mormons can answer the mainstream theologians questions debating their beliefs is because they debate false notions about what the Mormon Church teaches and not what they actual teach. I believe they do more harm than good and should get their facts straight before debating Mormons. If you want to know what they actually teach then visit their web site and see for yourself.

Having “investigated” their church and debating with Mormon theologians for several years I came to the conclusion that their church isn’t the “True Church”, Joseph Smith was not a prophet of God and the Book of Mormon was not a historical document written by many men but a document written by one man and borrowed heavily from the Bible. I read the Book of Mormon several times and discovered that the Book of Mormon does not contradict the Bible. All of their teachings that distinguish them from other ‘Christian’ churches do not come from the Book of Mormon at all but from revelation of their prophets. That’s my two cents worth.

[Brother Jerry]

Tawhano

And this is where I would have to say that a little further digging is required.

Let us take a look at what the Bible has to say about God and what the Mormon's say about God shall we.

God
Bible: Isaiah 43:11 states "There is only one God"  This can also be found in Is 44:6,8 and 45:5
Mormon:  Book of Abraham chapter 4:3 "And they (the gods) said: Let there be light: and there was light
*This shows the Mormon faith as believing in multiple Gods.
Bible: Psalm 90:2 God has always been God.  This can also be found in Is 57:15
Mormon: God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens!!!!  ...We have imagined that God was God from all eternity.  I will refute that idea and take away the veil, so that you may see.  (this from the Teachings of the prophet Joseph Smith, P 345)

Jesus' Birth
Bible: Is 7:14, Matt 1:23 Jesus was born of the virgin Mary
Mormon: Journal of Discourses Vol 8 p 115 "The birth of the Savior was as natural as the births of our children; it was the result of natural action.  He partook of flesh and blood - was begotten of his Father, as we were of our fathers.
* This clearly teaches the idea that God took a fleshly form and came down and conceived Jesus, which would have thus made Mary no longer a virgin.

Jesus
Bible: John 3:16 is one verse that says Jesus is God's ONLY son.
Mormon: Gospel through the Ages p15 would state that Jesus is the brother of Lucifer

These are just a few of the many problems with the Mormon cult.  They have many many different books other than the book of Mormon, which they use for their doctrine.  And you will find that many are hard to find in print outside of the church. 

And one cannot say that they do not use those today.  I pulled this excerpt from a Mormon church website

"The Mormon church is led today by a prophet of God and twelve apostles who receive revleation from God on how the affairs of His church should be conducted.  God , being the same yesterday, today, and forever, continues to use the same pattern He followed in Bible days;  He teaches us today in much the same way as He taught people in ancient times."

So this statement (and problems with it in a moment) would state that the teachings that apostles and prophets have written in the discources and things of that nature were from God.  And that God is the same so their meanings have not changed either.  They would not say that one day Jesus is only son of God and then the next say that Jesus is brother of Lucifer.

The problems even with their statement is that if they were to believe the NT at all they would see that when Jesus came there also came a difference in how God teaches, and that there had been throughout.  Even throughout the OT there is a difference in how God works with the people of Israel.  For 600 years before Christ, God had not revealed any revelations.  Right there is a difference. 

Filled with contradictions and deceit.  This is not a religion of Christ in any way except trying to pull in converts with the name of Christ.

[Soldier4Christ]

Amen Brother Jerry.

Like many cults it appears on the surface to be one thing but when one actually delves into their teachings is when you find the total falseness of their teachings. Even the Mormons themselves admit that they serve a "different Jesus Christ" ( as stated by Mormon president Gordon B. Hinckley).


When reading such works as Articles of Faith, by James Talmage and The Mormon Doctrine, Journal of Discourses it becomes quite evident that they do not even follow the Book of Mormon.

The statements made in this thread are in fact a truth.

[nChrist]

Tawhano Said:

Not sure where you are getting your information but this again is not even close to the truth of what the Mormon Church teaches.

The reason Mormons can answer the mainstream theologians questions debating their beliefs is because they debate false notions about what the Mormon Church teaches and not what they actual teach. I believe they do more harm than good and should get their facts straight before debating Mormons. If you want to know what they actually teach then visit their web site and see for yourself.

Having “investigated” their church and debating with Mormon theologians for several years I came to the conclusion that their church isn’t the “True Church”, Joseph Smith was not a prophet of God and the Book of Mormon was not a historical document written by many men but a document written by one man and borrowed heavily from the Bible. I read the Book of Mormon several times and discovered that the Book of Mormon does not contradict the Bible. All of their teachings that distinguish them from other ‘Christian’ churches do not come from the Book of Mormon at all but from revelation of their prophets. That’s my two cents worth.

Tawhano,

If you did such an investigation and arrived at these conclusions, you would arrive at the same conclusions about Islam and every other false religion. In fact, I could make up a religion right now, and you wouldn't find anything wrong with it.

We're not talking about anything small or nit-picking. If you can't see what's being referred to in this thread, you wouldn't be looking. It really is just this simple. Mormonism isn't even close to Christianity, rather an anti-type of Christianity. Mormonism involves blasphemy of GOD and JESUS CHRIST with the lies that are taught in this false religion. We know precisely what they teach, and this thread is completely accurate. To see it, one must simply open their eyes.

[Tawhano]

And this is where I would have to say that a little further digging is required.

The statements made in this thread are in fact a truth.

If you did such an investigation and arrived at these conclusions, you would arrive at the same conclusions about Islam and every other false religion. In fact, I could make up a religion right now, and you wouldn't find anything wrong with it.

It is apparent that none of you actually read my post but instead read part of it and decided I was defending the Mormon Church and needed to be corrected; I was not. I was pointing out the falsehoods presented by members of this board and none of you provided any evidence to the contrary.

When reading such works as Articles of Faith, by James Talmage and The Mormon Doctrine, Journal of Discourses it becomes quite evident that they do not even follow the Book of Mormon.

Which is essentially what I said: “All of their teachings that distinguish them from other ‘Christian’ churches do not come from the Book of Mormon at all but from revelation of their prophets.”

I have to ask you blackeyedpeas, just what in my post made you come to the conclusion you did that I wouldn’t find anything wrong with a religion you made up?

[nChrist]

Tawhano Said:

I have to ask you blackeyedpeas, just what in my post made you come to the conclusion you did that I wouldn’t find anything wrong with a religion you made up?

Hello Tawhano,

That's obvious and already answered. You find nothing wrong with Mormonism, and I'm sure that I could make up something more reasonable than Mormonism. I would start out by not making JESUS CHRIST created and a brother of Lucifer. This one step would bring it 100 times closer to Christianity, and I could just make up the rest as I went. This would be what Joseph Smith did, but I honestly think that I could do a better job of making up a religion than he did. I certainly wouldn't use Mormonism as a pattern because it is riddled with obviously false information from the time that Joseph Smith dreamed it up. I would want to make it harder to prove that my made up religion was baloney.

I would also change all of the names and certainly not use any of the names of the HOLY TRINITY. I wouldn't dare commit blasphemy, so I would invent names closer to Moroney. I think you should get the picture.

If there are members of the Mormon church who have rejected the founders doctrines, principles, and books in their teachings, it would stand to reason that they shouldn't call themselves Mormons. It really wouldn't matter if they were still committing blasphemy against the HOLY TRINITY, so I wouldn't care what percentage of the official doctrines they were teaching. It would still be a cult and a false religion.

[Brother Jerry]

Tawhano,

I will admit that in my post I did nothing relating to the specifics that were posted.  However based on your post, the entire post, I still got the impression that although you did not believe personally what the Mormons believe that you were still defending their beliefs.

My point being though that their underlying beliefs although they look Christian for the most part on the surface are far from it underneath.  And that many many Mormons believe that the church they are attending is no different than any other.  But in fact it is supporting a belief that is far from Christian.  What is sad about this is that even their articles of faith have some major conflicts with traditional Christian doctrine.

2. We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression.
** So we are born sinless and are judged upon our actions.  This goes against many teachings of the Bible.

Some of the others are not as bad but more quirky. 

[Tawhano]

That's obvious and already answered. You find nothing wrong with Mormonism…

Thank you for confirming my suspicion that you did not in fact read my post but glanced through it and caught that I brought up points where incorrect statements were made about the Mormon teachings and incorrectly assumed I was defending Mormonism. No where in my post do I even slightly indicate that I believe there is nothing wrong with Mormonism.  Had you actually read my post in it’s entirety you would see that it wasn’t the point I was bringing up.

I am deeply concerned and offended by your false accusations.

[nChrist]

Thank you for confirming my suspicion that you did not in fact read my post but glanced through it and caught that I brought up points where incorrect statements were made about the Mormon teachings and incorrectly assumed I was defending Mormonism. No where in my post do I even slightly indicate that I believe there is nothing wrong with Mormonism.  Had you actually read my post in it’s entirety you would see that it wasn’t the point I was bringing up.

I am deeply concerned and offended by your false accusations.

Hello Tawhano,

I would greatly prefer that you be offended than LOST. There is nothing about Mormonism except being lost, so there is no point of any kind to make. Plainly and bluntly - it's a false religion. I've not done anything except tell you the TRUTH. I'll tell the next person the truth also, and I won't feel bad about it at all. ETERNITY is at stake, so I don't play games with the TRUTH of the GOSPEL of GOD'S GRACE.

[ibTina]

Tawhano

And this is where I would have to say that a little further digging is required.

Let us take a look at what the Bible has to say about God and what the Mormon's say about God shall we.

God
Bible: Isaiah 43:11 states "There is only one God"  This can also be found in Is 44:6,8 and 45:5
Mormon:  Book of Abraham chapter 4:3 "And they (the gods) said: Let there be light: and there was light
*This shows the Mormon faith as believing in multiple Gods.
Bible: Psalm 90:2 God has always been God.  This can also be found in Is 57:15
Mormon: God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens!!!!  ...We have imagined that God was God from all eternity.  I will refute that idea and take away the veil, so that you may see.  (this from the Teachings of the prophet Joseph Smith, P 345)

Jesus' Birth
Bible: Is 7:14, Matt 1:23 Jesus was born of the virgin Mary
Mormon: Journal of Discourses Vol 8 p 115 "The birth of the Savior was as natural as the births of our children; it was the result of natural action.  He partook of flesh and blood - was begotten of his Father, as we were of our fathers.
* This clearly teaches the idea that God took a fleshly form and came down and conceived Jesus, which would have thus made Mary no longer a virgin.

Jesus
Bible: John 3:16 is one verse that says Jesus is God's ONLY son.
Mormon: Gospel through the Ages p15 would state that Jesus is the brother of Lucifer

These are just a few of the many problems with the Mormon cult.  They have many many different books other than the book of Mormon, which they use for their doctrine.  And you will find that many are hard to find in print outside of the church. 

And one cannot say that they do not use those today.  I pulled this excerpt from a Mormon church website

"The Mormon church is led today by a prophet of God and twelve apostles who receive revleation from God on how the affairs of His church should be conducted.  God , being the same yesterday, today, and forever, continues to use the same pattern He followed in Bible days;  He teaches us today in much the same way as He taught people in ancient times."

So this statement (and problems with it in a moment) would state that the teachings that apostles and prophets have written in the discources and things of that nature were from God.  And that God is the same so their meanings have not changed either.  They would not say that one day Jesus is only son of God and then the next say that Jesus is brother of Lucifer.

The problems even with their statement is that if they were to believe the NT at all they would see that when Jesus came there also came a difference in how God teaches, and that there had been throughout.  Even throughout the OT there is a difference in how God works with the people of Israel.  For 600 years before Christ, God had not revealed any revelations.  Right there is a difference. 

Filled with contradictions and deceit.  This is not a religion of Christ in any way except trying to pull in converts with the name of Christ.

Looks like to me here you have brought up some great stuff.

[Tawhano]

Looks like to me here you have brought up some great stuff.

The problem being that his post was in response to mine but addresses nothing that I posted.

[Tawhano]

I will admit that in my post I did nothing relating to the specifics that were posted.  However based on your post, the entire post, I still got the impression that although you did not believe personally what the Mormons believe that you were still defending their beliefs.

If that is the impression you got then it was a preconceived notice from the fact that I questioned the falsehoods put forth on this thread and therefore must be the enemy come to defend Mormonism. You couldn’t have possibly understood my post and come to that conclusion especially after I said that I do not believe the Mormon Church is the ‘true church’ and that Joseph Smith was not a prophet of God which is the very core of that religion. No, the reason you came to that conclusion is because I dare to question something posted as fact when it was a falsehood.