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« on: April 30, 2004, 11:26:24 PM »

I'm not sure if this is where this should go.
I just found this tonight;

At midnight tonight at a Grand Ceremony of Ascension in Ireland, which is the present President of the European Union, ten new countries will be welcomed into the EU.

So welcome to:
Poland, Hungary, Latvia, Slovenia, Lithuania, Slovakia, the Czech Republic, Estonia, Cyprus and Malta.

25 countries and approximately over 350 million people.
One money system coming closer. The money system is the euro. Which is talked about in the Bible. :eek:
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« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2004, 03:21:28 AM »

I wanted to open up a topic on that since it's now the 1st of may here, in my view the EU is now officially both economical and biblical *the* most important country in the world.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/04/30/eu.enlargement/index.html
http://www.eurunion.org/legislat/agd2000/agd2000.htm

And ehrm: Dreamweaver, it's 450 million people and 39 million square kilometers

Compare that with the USA with 272 million people living in an area of 9.6 million square kilometers. http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/us.html
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« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2004, 03:43:30 AM »

And ehrm: Dreamweaver, it's 450 million people and 39 million square kilometers
3.9 million sqkm, not 39 million.   I haven't the faintest idea why the area is relevent, but let's not be out by an order of magnitude.
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« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2004, 04:19:22 AM »

Ebia: oops Smiley the size is for an idea of the amount of ppl per sqkm.
And the size of the land can be compared with the old roman empire; making the EU the revived roman empire.
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« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2004, 04:21:17 AM »

I wanted to open up a topic on that since it's now the 1st of may here, in my view the EU is now officially both economical and biblical *the* most important country in the world.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/04/30/eu.enlargement/index.html
http://www.eurunion.org/legislat/agd2000/agd2000.htm

And ehrm: Dreamweaver, it's 450 million people and 39 million square kilometers

Compare that with the USA with 272 million people living in an area of 9.6 million square kilometers. http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/us.html
Excuse me, for saying, approximately over 350 million people.
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« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2004, 04:39:50 AM »

Ebia: oops Smiley the size is for an idea of the amount of ppl per sqkm.
So western europe is considerably more densely populated than the US (which is, in turn, massively more densely populated than Australia).  So what?  

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And the size of the land can be compared with the old roman empire; making the EU the revived roman empire
That doesn't follow.  The area may be roughly comparable at the moment (I don't know how big the Roman empire was) but it isn't the same places.  As the EU grows, there was bound to be a point where it passes the size of the Roman empire at some point - how does that prove that it is the Roman Empire?
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« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2004, 05:06:28 AM »

hehe .. not answering Smiley
GIYF :  www.google.com > revived roman empire
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=revived+roman+empire&btnG=Google+Search

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« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2004, 07:46:03 AM »

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« Reply #8 on: May 01, 2004, 08:31:00 AM »

Ebia: oops Smiley the size is for an idea of the amount of ppl per sqkm.
And the size of the land can be compared with the old roman empire; making the EU the revived roman empire.
"And the size of the land can be compared with the old roman empire; making the EU the revived roman empire."

This comes across as someones personal opinion.
What is the documented proof that the "EU is the revived Roman Empire"? Would you please produce it in this thread to establish your words as given here?

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« Reply #9 on: May 01, 2004, 09:38:04 AM »

http://www.bible-prophecy.com/roman.htm
http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin86.htm
http://www.tribulationalinstitute.com/new_page_7.htm


Doing google's work here....

http://www.geocities.com/Baja/8137/rome.html
http://www.konig.org/wc36.htm
http://www.prophecybook.org/PMm.j2001.html
http://www.cornerstonechurchonline.com/biblestudies/beast7heads.htm


[humming a song while cut-n-pasting along]

http://www.cephasministry.com/terror_roman_empire.html
http://www.tnnonline.net/tribnews/europe/revival-romanemp/
http://www.cuttingedge.org/detail.cfm?ID=436
http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/world/A0860803.html
http://www.prophecywatch.com/articles/7_heads_10_horns_p4.htm
http://millenniafever.org/BibleStudies/revromemp.html
http://www3.telus.net/thegoodnews/empire.htm

Now I quit, i'm getting bored doing this

I can do the same cut-n-paste thing with the Rapture, any unbelievers in that area ?

http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=%22the+rapture%22+&btnG=Search

Hey, look ! Google can show some nice pictures from US soldiers too !

the US will get bombed for what they did  ! Grin I already can read the headlines :
" babylon away in one day ", " Their arrogance paid back in full "

Ebia + Ollie ; stop wandering around like drunkards, the day of the Lord has come nigh; REPENT AND FORSAKE YOU SIN !

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* now where is a4c when you need him ?
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Hey, look ! Google can show some nice pictures from US soldiers too !

the US will get bombed for what they did  ! Grin I already can read the headlines :
" babylon away in one day ", " Their arrogance paid back in full "
You know, you come across as arrogance. But this is my own opinion. I found about the EU adding 10 more members and all you have done is blast me for it.
So since you are arrogance towards me, and my country, I won't bother to post here any more with any information I find. And yes I know I will more then likely be banned, after blackeyepeas reads this post.
Good bye
DW
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Hey, look ! Google can show some nice pictures from US soldiers too !

the US will get bombed for what they did  ! Grin I already can read the headlines :
" babylon away in one day ", " Their arrogance paid back in full "
You know, you come across as arrogance. But this is my own opinion. I found about the EU adding 10 more members and all you have done is blast me for it.
So since you are arrogance towards me, and my country, I won't bother to post here any more with any information I find. And yes I know I will more then likely be banned, after blackeyepeas reads this post.
Good bye
DW

Oklahoma Howdy to DreamWeaver,

There is no problem at all, discuss all you wish. This is a mild and gentle discussion compared to many on the forum. It's also an important topic that needs to be discussed.

Love In Christ,
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« Reply #12 on: May 01, 2004, 10:07:35 PM »

http://www.bible-prophecy.com/roman.htm
http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin86.htm
http://www.tribulationalinstitute.com/new_page_7.htm


Doing google's work here....

http://www.geocities.com/Baja/8137/rome.html
http://www.konig.org/wc36.htm
http://www.prophecybook.org/PMm.j2001.html
http://www.cornerstonechurchonline.com/biblestudies/beast7heads.htm


[humming a song while cut-n-pasting along]

http://www.cephasministry.com/terror_roman_empire.html
http://www.tnnonline.net/tribnews/europe/revival-romanemp/
http://www.cuttingedge.org/detail.cfm?ID=436
http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/world/A0860803.html
http://www.prophecywatch.com/articles/7_heads_10_horns_p4.htm
http://millenniafever.org/BibleStudies/revromemp.html
http://www3.telus.net/thegoodnews/empire.htm

Now I quit, i'm getting bored doing this

I can do the same cut-n-paste thing with the Rapture, any unbelievers in that area ?

http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=%22the+rapture%22+&btnG=Search

Hey, look ! Google can show some nice pictures from US soldiers too !

the US will get bombed for what they did  ! Grin I already can read the headlines :
" babylon away in one day ", " Their arrogance paid back in full "

Ebia + Ollie ; stop wandering around like drunkards, the day of the Lord has come nigh; REPENT AND FORSAKE YOU SIN !

_____________
* now where is a4c when you need him ?
a4c watching and lerking Grin HAIL MARY
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« Reply #13 on: May 02, 2004, 02:51:13 PM »

The EU is definitely becoming a world power of clay (diversity) and iron (power) with striking similarities to the fourth kingdom or fourth beast of Danielís prophecies. A world power of so many ethnic groups and representing so many states could easily become a very influential leader at the United Nations and the world. Itís possible that the U.N. is a beginning for this world government that will eventually be ruled by a revived Roman Empire and the Antichrist.

There are, however, other views on these prophesies that can be considered. Some think that the fourth kingdom is the revived Roman Empire (ten kings are the 10 nation military alliance of the EU) and the U.N. is the 4th beast (10 horns being the 10 bio-regions the UN has established for the globe). Only time will tell which is the case.

If the EU is the revived Roman Empire that will bring about the rise of Antichrist, then it is important to look at the religious symbolism of the EU. After all, riding on the beastís back will be the harlot that represents a global pagan religious system that will unite the world and play a part in the persecution of the tribulation saints (Rev. 17).

The EU flag has a circle of 12 stars on a blue background. These stars were inspired by the halo of 12 stars appearing around the Madonna as depicted in Catholic pictures of her. Leon Marchal, former secretary general of the Council of Europe, confirmed that the stars are representative of "the woman of the Apocalypse". He expounded, "itís wonderful that we have gotten back to the introit of the new Mass of the Assumption. Itís the corona stellarum duodecim of the woman of the Apocalypse". He is referencing the woman in Revelation 12 who appears with a crown of 12 stars. The Bible uses this symbolism to represent Israel, however the Catholic Church has always claimed that she represents the Virgin Mary, "the mother of God". A leaflet titled "Building Europe Together" states that "The European flag is a shared flag, blue with 12 gold stars symbolizing completeness. The number will remain 12 no matter how many countries there are in the European Union."

The anthem of the EU "Ode to Joy" also contains religious symbolism. "Ode to Joy" is the prelude to the last movement of Beethovenís Ninth Symphony, which has religious implications. EU publications state that the anthem really is an "ode to freedom, community, and peace", however the lyrics, by Friedrich von Schiller, are actually about the entering of the shrine of a pagan goddess and the uniting of all men in brotherhood, by the power of magic.

Further evidence of a religious side to the European Union is a poster that was issued by the EU, showing the tower of Babel. The poster carried the slogan "Many tongues, one voice." As if the celebration of the pagan tower that led God to confuse the languages of a defiant people (Genesis 11) isnít enough, a crane in the background was shown rebuilding the tower. Now, once again, a rebellious people are rebuilding mystery Babylon. In a parliament building in Strasbourg, France, you will find an enormous replica of the unfinished tower of Babel that the secular press has named "Eurobabel".

If that religious symbolism seems too obscure to be that significant, perhaps a snapshot of Revelation 17 will peak your interest in the religious symbolism of the EU. Revelation 17 depicts a great harlot riding on a beast. The beast in Revelation 17 represents the world government and the great harlot is a global religion that will ride in on its back. This harlot riding a beast was used when Britain issued a stamp to commemorate the first EU parliament election in 1979. It is now the official picture of the EU, and is painted on the dome of the parliament building in Brussels. It is also pictured on the same building that holds the "Eurobabel".

The EU constitution has also raised the ire of protestant leaders by banning the mention of Christianity as part of Europeís cultural heritage, while at the same time, including references to the civilizations of Greece and Rome, and the philosophical heritage of the Enlightenment. EU government representatives excused this revisionist view of history by claiming any mention of Christian values would upset the Muslim population of the EU.
As you can see, the stage is being set for the emergence of a global political system(the EU and the UN), a global economic system(the Euro and WTO), and a global religious system (the interfaith movement). The EU would seem to fulfill many of the prophesies of the fourth kingdom that is to come, from which will arise the Antichrist of the end-times. Only time will tell, but as we are encouraged in the Bible to be aware of the signs, we should all be looking up. We may soon be with our Lord.  Tongue

There are those who are sowing discord-brother against brother-criticizing one another. These are men who misunderstand holiness and equate righteous living with hardness of heart and condemning one another. One must anchor himself deeply in the Word and stand upon the principles of God's Word, seeking the face of the Lord and His divine direction. We cannot allow these factions-whether to the left or to the right-to affect our spirit and attitude. We must stand for Biblical holiness and the Biblical doctrine of the new birth. Allow no man or clique to buy your soul or ministry. Jesus Christ is not portrayed in Scripture as a hard-nosed legalist.

He is the compassionate Christ who was more concerned with the needs of hurting men than the letter of the law. That same attitude was transmitted to the apostles who taught us to "Come out from among them and be ye separate" (1 Corinthians 5:17). Our holiness message was never intended to be used to hurt others, to bring condemnation or to be an indicator of our righteousness. We are not saved by works, and thus our holiness message must be more than legislation; it must come from a faith relationship that calls us from an immoral world to a desire to be like Him.

Go in peace with God.
DW
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« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2004, 05:58:49 PM »

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There are those who are sowing discord-brother against brother-criticizing one another. These are men who misunderstand holiness and equate righteous living with hardness of heart and condemning one another. One must anchor himself deeply in the Word and stand upon the principles of God's Word, seeking the face of the Lord and His divine direction. We cannot allow these factions-whether to the left or to the right-to affect our spirit and attitude. We must stand for Biblical holiness and the Biblical doctrine of the new birth. Allow no man or clique to buy your soul or ministry. Jesus Christ is not portrayed in Scripture as a hard-nosed legalist.

He is the compassionate Christ who was more concerned with the needs of hurting men than the letter of the law. That same attitude was transmitted to the apostles who taught us to "Come out from among them and be ye separate" (1 Corinthians 5:17). Our holiness message was never intended to be used to hurt others, to bring condemnation or to be an indicator of our righteousness. We are not saved by works, and thus our holiness message must be more than legislation; it must come from a faith relationship that calls us from an immoral world to a desire to be like Him.

AMEN DreamWeaver!

Isaiah 26:3  Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee: because he trusteth in thee.
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