I don't think you even know what CIRCULAR REASONING is. The passage reads, "Not every one that saith unto me Lord, Lord shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."
I wasn’t referring to the verse I was referring to your use of other verses to try to force an interpretation on the verse. My point of referencing the verse is to show that salvation is not by faith alone. This verse says they call Him Lord, any other time you would say that proves they have faith, but because He claims to have never known them you say that proves they weren’t saved and I agree. But then you assume that not being saved means they never had faith (since you assume that salvation is by faith alone). So you conclude that they cannot have faith which is what you were trying to prove. So you prove they cannot have faith by assuming that the only way to salvation is by faith alone. That is a circular argument.
A very simple and fundamental rule of exegesis is to establish the CONTEXT, which you never seem to do. If you will simply keep in mind the AUDIENCE and keep reading. The next vs reads,"Many will say to me in that DAY (what day do you suppose that is Micahel?), LORD LORD, have we not prophecied in thy name?" And in thy Name cast out devils, and in thy name many WONDERFUL WORKS.
Yes but the context of all scripture is all other scripture. To approach a scripture as you do looking for loopholes to give you a chance to ignore it or not apply it to your life is ignoring the greater context that all of God’s word does not contradict.
The day referred to is the judgment day – which we will all go through. So no ducking applying this verse to us here.
The Lord then tells them "I NEVER KNEW YOU!!!!"
Yes, He never knew them because all they had was faith, they did not accept the gift properly through both faith and works. They thought that they could merit salvation just on the strength of their faith alone.
They will address Him as Lord because they will see Him face-to-face. They had used His name and even did WONDERFUL WORKS, but yet He says He never KNEW THEM.
Yes they did wonderful works because they had the faith to move mountains, but it came to nothing – why?
1Co 13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
Faith alone is not enough – how many times do the scriptures have to tell you before you see it?
You cannot honestly believe that someone who is saved, indwelt by the Holy Spirit, said to have been IN CHRIST BEFORE the foundation of the world (Eph 1:4), has Christ as Saviour/Intercessor/Advocate, has been prayed to and worshipped, has been regenerated by the Spirit of God, sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, and died for would say to any one of them "I NEVER KNEW YOU!"
No I do not believe that someone who is saved would ever be told that He never knew them. I would admit that these men were never saved. The point you are missing is that they had faith and yet were never saved. What kind of faith? Faith enough to call Him Lord. Faith enough to do might works in His name. That kind of faith and yet they were never saved.
You see, I really wouldn't care what you believe except for the fact that you keep detracting from the CROSS of my Saviour. As long as you persist in this doctrine of devils I am going to withstand you with the oracles of God or get kicked off the forum.
I have never said anything that detracts for the cross. All of the doctrine associated with a proper acceptance of the gift is meaningless without the cross to first make it possible. Accepting the gift through faith and works (of love and the spirit of the law) do not detract from the cross anymore than accepting the gift through faith alone. They both require us to participate in our own salvation.
The Lamb of God either took away the sins of the world or He did not? He became sin that we might be the righteousness of God in Him. (2 Cor 5:17-21)
Yes the Lamb of God took away the sins of the world, but that is not enough to save us or else we would all be saved and we know that not all are saved. So we have to do something to accept the gift. We are discussing what that something is so trying to deflect the argument to this topic which we both agree on is just misdirection.
Lastly Michael, you really need to re-study carefully the words CONDEMNATION and JUDGMENT. Just go to a good dictionary such as the EXPANDED VINE'S EXPOSITORY or a good lexicon. I am not going to do your homework for you, but its the GREEK word KATAKRIMA for CONDEMNATION and it a process of JUDGMENT leading to PUNISHMENT.
Actually it appears you are the one who needs to do the homework in their Greek as there are several words used in the New Testament for Condemnation and while it is true that sometimes they are mistranslated in the KJV as Judgment the context makes it clear what is meant.
Judgment in the New Testament is most often a process or as Strong’s 2920 puts it an accusation or tribunal. That is why people are referred to as sitting at judgment. They come together to decide something.
Condemnation is the result or as Strong’s 2917 puts it a decision or the effect, or as Strong’s 2631 and 2633 puts it an adverse sentence.
Now, the Saviour bore the punishment for the sin. Sin was judged and He became sin and hence the Lamb of God who took away the sins of the world. There is now therefore NO CONDEMNATION/JUDGMENT to those who are in Christ. If you believe otherwise, then you are still in your sins and on your way to JUDGMENT where you can list YOUR GOOD WORKS, but all you will receive is LESS PUNISHMENT if you did a bunch.
The verse you are quoting is Rom 8:1 There is therefore686 now3568 no3762 condemnation2631 to them3588 which are in1722 Christ5547 Jesus,2424 who walk4043 not3361 after2596 the flesh,4561 but235 after2596 the Spirit.4151
Notice how the word condemnation is Strong’s 2631 which is specifically an adverse sentence. This verse does not say anything about those who are in Christ not being judged, only that when they are judged they will not be condemned. Of course you would know this if you had done the Greek study you recommended to me.