Abortion: Right or Wrong?

[Broken]

Any person who believes it's ok to murder little boys and girls in the womb are not born again. For anyone who would kill/ or even suggest/ that it's ok to do so, does not know the Author of Life.

You are not capable of judging my salvation. To do so is to claim you are God. Are you God?

James 4:11-12  Do not speak evil against one another, brethren. He that speaks evil against a brother or judges his brother, speaks evil against the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge. There is one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you that you judge your neighbor?  

James 5:9  Do not grumble, brethren, against one another, that you may not be judged; behold, the Judge is standing at the doors.  

1) Abortion is legal in our country until the moment of birth.

I am not sure of the law in the UK, but I do not think women are able to have abortions until the moment of birth here. But I fail to see what that has to do with anything.

2) Women in our country are sold abortions, like one would buy cosmetics. It's a high pressure business operation. Their business is not to offer a women a "choice", but an abortion.

We have state-funded healthcare. Abortions are free.

3) Many abortionists in our country have serious psychiatric disorders(demons), and/or criminal behaviors.

Psychiatric illness is not demonic. I refer you to John 9:2-3.

Recently in Arizona, there was an abortionist who was convicted and sentenced to 30+ years for molesting his patients. Some are child molestors, others are addicted to pornography and drugs.

Irrelevant. Ad hominems do not support your case, rather the opposite.

Has the word "abstinance" ever come to mind? It's 100% effective against pregnancy and STD's.Sex outside of the marriage covenant is prohibited by God, and it's for our own good. Millions of babies would be saved yearly, if this "non government program" was implemented.

Did you read what I wrote? Evidently not.

If you have bought the lie and had an abortion, there is hope and forgiveness in Jesus Christ.

I have not done so, as I pointed out in my post which you evidently did not read.

[Psalm 119]

Broken,

Evidently you are not reading my posts very clearly either.

In the matter of judgement....if one proclaims God's Word, he is not judging.

"He who says "I know Him", and does not keep His commandments (Thou shalt not murder) is a liar, and the truth is not in him." I John 2:4

The Word of God judges you. You say it's ok to kill little boys and girls before they are born. God says its murder.

The Bible has a lot to say about shedding innocent blood. What is more innocent than an unborn child?

Broken, I have spoken to many a girl heading into an abortion clinic. And I don't know if you are being totally honest. But God does know the truth. I would just say this.....if you have had an abortion, or been a party to one, you must repent.

I must also tell you that there is no such thing as a pro-choice Christian.Just like there is no such thing as a "gay" Christian". I can say that with complete authority from the word of God. If you were a follower of Jesus Christ, you would love the unborn. You would defend them, and not justify their deaths.

Psalm 119

[Reba]

Who said I was meek and lowly? All I said was that I welcome your attacks. They make me feel alive again and it beats cutting myself up.

Frankly, I don't care if your grandchildren were aborted. It has nothing to do with me and if you cannot see that there is something wrong with your sense of ethics.

You know what is ironic about all this? If I got pregnant, unless there was something very seriously wrong with the foetus, I wouldn't even have an abortion. I just support people's right to decide for themselves and not be nannied by anyone.

EDIT: I'm going to stop here, before I say things I regret. I'll review this lot tomorrow, see if I should delete any of my posts.

[Gracey]

It surprises me that no one seems to recall that God "knit us up in our mother's womb" and that "he knew us". God is our creator and has planned us from long before our birth.

As a child of God, could I willfully destroy his creation? No.
I believe it is as wrong as breaking any of the 10 Commandments.

[ebia]

First I want to say that I don't agree with abortion.  BUT I also don't think the arguments are as clear cut as people would like to believe.

It surprises me that no one seems to recall that God "knit us up in our mother's womb" and that "he knew us". God is our creator and has planned us from long before our birth.

In which case, is it sinful to stand in the way of his plan by using contraception, not having sex on the right day, not marrying the correct person, ...?

As a child of God, could I willfully destroy his creation? No.

You destroy a bit of His creation everytime you chop down a tree.

What make this different is that it's human life.  Nowhere in the bible does it say when human life begins, and its not a self-evident question.  If you choose to assume its at the moment of fertilisation, then thats fine, but you have to:
a. accept that it is an assumption.
b. accept the consequences - eg that the contraceptive pill is sometimes a form of abortion, and therefore also wrong.

[Broken]

In the matter of judgement....if one proclaims God's Word, he is not judging.

"He who says "I know Him", and does not keep His commandments (Thou shalt not murder) is a liar, and the truth is not in him." I John 2:4

The Word of God judges you. You say it's ok to kill little boys and girls before they are born. God says its murder.

And here are you, still claiming to be God.
The scripture is abundantly clear - you are neither qualified nor able to judge my salvation. Unless you are claiming to be the Messiah, God, you may not judge as you wish to.

Claim to be God all you wish - I will not follow you.

Broken, I have spoken to many a girl heading into an abortion clinic. And I don't know if you are being totally honest.

Evidently your discernment is somewhat off. This is why the Bible says that we may not judge another's salvation.

I must also tell you that there is no such thing as a pro-choice Christian.Just like there is no such thing as a "gay" Christian".

Perhaps according to your definition of what it means to be a Christian, but not according to my reading.

Romans 14:4 Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Master is able to make him stand.

I can say that with complete authority from the word of God. If you were a follower of Jesus Christ, you would love the unborn. You would defend them, and not justify their deaths.

As I have said before, and as I will continue to say : you are not God, though you abrogate His sovereignty to yourself.

[ebia]

The Word of God judges you. You say it's ok to kill little boys and girls before they are born. God says its murder.

Nowhere in the (protestant) bible is abortion even mentioned.  IIRC, one of the deauterocanoncial books does say it's wrong, but if you don't accept them as inspired...

The Bible has a lot to say about shedding innocent blood. What is more innocent than an unborn child?

The sheep that provided my dinner last night was innocent too.  You have to demonstrate that the unborn child is a fully human life before you can assume that human rules apply.

[Gracey]

I guess I would have to say yes, it is sinful to use contraceptives (no, I didn't); and marrying the wrong person (do not be unequally yolked) if one knows it is the wrong person, yes - as for having sex on the wrong day - what is the right day?

And you are correct, sometimes we do destroy God's creation.... I don't chop down trees, but I use paper. But God put animals (over all these I give you dominion) and plants on earth for the use of humans. Humans he created expressly for His pleasure.

[Reba]

Matt 10:13-14

13 And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you.

14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.KJV

Mark 7:20-23

20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.

21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:

23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.
KJV
Gal 5:19-21

19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
KJV Man is judged by mans actions and words.

[ebia]

I guess I would have to say yes, it is sinful to use contraceptives (no, I didn't); and marrying the wrong person (do not be unequally yolked) if one knows it is the wrong person, yes - as for having sex on the wrong day - what is the right day?

Dunno - whatever day you were supposed to.  The question was somewhat rhetorical.

Ok, you seem to be taking up a position that is pretty self consistent.  How do/did you know that God didn't intend you to use contraception though?

And you are correct, sometimes we do destroy God's creation.... I don't chop down trees, but I use paper. But God put animals (over all these I give you dominion) and plants on earth for the use of humans. Humans he created expressly for His pleasure.

I did acknowledge that humans are different.  You still have to demonstrate that, say, a two cell embryo counts as fully human.

[Gracey]

Frankly and honestly, I didn't know it was wrong. I just happened to be wrong for me at that time, but my belief that it was wrong grew as my relationship with Christ grew and matured. Now, I've not got that worry (too old, ya know). And, before you ask, God blessed us with 2 daughters, not 10 or 12 like some souls I know.

As for needing to prove that single human cell quantifies as life, no I don't need to prove it. You see, to me the fact that God considers us His creation before he places us in our mother's womb, well that's all I needed. For me, that is proof. That may not be enough for some.

[Broken]

Reba,

Ah, I see your post:

You say, I am evil, unsaved, not of God. You are to leave me absolutely alone because I am evil.

Then do so, believe me, I shall not be shedding any tears over you if you take your own advice.

(PS You still haven't managed to make all the other scriptures say something different. Its still usurping the place of God )

[Kris777]

Ok. This is getting a tad bit heated here (stated lightly).  Broken, yes we shouldn't judge you. What you stated in the bible about judgement is true.  I will also state a bible verse to back my position up too.  Thou shalt not kill.  I just think that it is so easy to some people to have an abortion because after all, what is a two celled organism worth?  What is the difference, we can just reduce it down to a measly animal right? It can't talk or think.  The difference is that it is a person, I believe at that point with a soul.  God gave us control over animals, but is slaughtering animals for the heck of it a sin.  I believe so. So either way it would be a sin.  Did you see the abortion pictures on that website. How can any one be Ok with that?  Have you ever held a baby, spent time with them?  I just find it impossible to dislike, abuse, or throw them away.

Again, not judging you Broken, seriously, I just want everyone to see how precious children are.

Kristen

[Reba]

Abortion is murder for hire. The child is killed and the spirit of the mother is also killed.

I have lost at least 2 grandchhildren to the butchers. Their would be mother is lost someplace in the drug world.

Many young girls are victums of the lies  ... One i knew personaly had night mares for years of babies crying... her dad pressured her into an abortion so the baby could nto ruin her life? Babies dont ruin lives they change lives. Adoption a wonderful option.

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Broken,

Why ever is it anothers choice to kill an innocent ?  When does the childs right to life begin?

The unborn child has no right to life? Interesting why do you believe so?

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So would you would allow the new born to lay there and die. He/she cannot feed themselves.  Think hard how indepentant are you?

Sins are between man and God? So if a person robs you or beats you, you  wont file a complaint?
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“Sometimes I feel I shouldn't ask, but I guess I will anyway. I was wondering if anyone could pray for me?

As some of you know, I've been struggling with depression (its maybe more than that) for a year now. I thought things were going ok, that I had the right medications etc, but it all seems to be getting worse again. Things are getting strange and I'm not sure what to do.

I'm hoping your prayers will at least stop things being so desparate.

I'd be grateful,
Emma “

Just maybe the thoughts of this  thread have someting to do with your posts above.

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You are part of killing children from here all i can do is ignore you.

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One who does not stand for the right to life makes himself out to be judge  and exacutioner. Hold your ground psalm 119.  
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The meek and lowly mouse is showing some teeth. Yes  you will be ignored. But i will read the thread so dont get the big head. To me you are the same as the ones who killed my grandchildren        

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 “ Who said I was meek and lowly? All I said was that I welcome your attacks. They make me feel alive again and it beats cutting myself up.

Frankly, I don't care if your grandchildren were aborted. It has nothing to do with me and if you cannot see that there is something wrong with your sense of ethics.

You know what is ironic about all this? If I got pregnant, unless there was something very seriously wrong with the foetus, I wouldn't even have an abortion. I just support people's right to decide for themselves and not be nannied by anyone.

EDIT: I'm going to stop here, before I say things I regret. I'll review this lot tomorrow, see if I should delete any of my posts.   “        



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               Supporting the killing of a unborn child, in any mannor is to be pro abortion. Man can call it by pretty words like 'choice' but the choice is to kill the innocent.    
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   A Mothers heart Dovewings


Matt 10:13-14

13 And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you.

14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.KJV

Mark 7:20-23

20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.

21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:

23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.
KJV
Gal 5:19-21

19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
KJV Man is judged by mans actions and words.


 

Reba,Ah, I see your post:You say, I am evil, unsaved, not of God. You are to leave me absolutely alone because I am evil.Then do so, believe me, I shall not be shedding any tears over you if you take your own advice.(PS You still haven't managed to make all the other scriptures say something different. Its still usurping the place of God  )

I do believe i copied all my posts  please  where have i said you are evil unsaved?

[Willowbirch]

I have lost at least 2 grandchhildren to the butchers. Their would be mother is lost someplace in the drug world.

Oh, dear!