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« Reply #15 on: February 09, 2004, 09:37:44 PM »

 So would you would allow the new born to lay there and die. He/she cannot feed themselves.  Think hard how indepentant are you?

 Sins are between man and God? So if a person robs you or beats you, you  wont file a complaint?
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« Reply #16 on: February 09, 2004, 10:09:52 PM »

Broken,

You need fixed! And only Jesus can do that.

Please go back to the link on page 1, and look at the pictures of the aborted babies. IF you really believe it's ok to dismember little boys and girls, than your heart is cold as ice.

Remember we were all just fetuses at one point in our lives. And it's wrong to murder an innocent child no matter what stage of development that may be at. As a society if we continue to kill the innocent, weak, and infirmed, one day we will see Nazism revisted in this country. ( Nazi type death camps are now is North Korea....the victims? many Christians and their children)

Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.

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« Reply #17 on: February 09, 2004, 10:17:29 PM »

Abortion is murder.
Period.

Murder, murder, murder, murder - now repeat that word about 10 million times and you will have uttered the number of unborn babies murdered in the last 30 years.  The BIGGEST travesty in history, bar NONE.
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« Reply #18 on: February 09, 2004, 10:20:59 PM »

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Sometimes I feel I shouldn't ask, but I guess I will anyway. I was wondering if anyone could pray for me?

As some of you know, I've been struggling with depression (its maybe more than that) for a year now. I thought things were going ok, that I had the right medications etc, but it all seems to be getting worse again. Things are getting strange and I'm not sure what to do.

I'm hoping your prayers will at least stop things being so desparate.

I'd be grateful,
Emma  
 

Just maybe the thoughts of this  thread have someting to do with your posts above.
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« Reply #19 on: February 09, 2004, 10:29:06 PM »

You are part of killing children from here all i can do is ignore you.
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« Reply #20 on: February 09, 2004, 10:34:11 PM »

Emma -
FACT:  The Lord Jesus loves you.
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« Reply #21 on: February 09, 2004, 10:41:19 PM »

Broken,

If you belonged to Jesus, you would obey His Word, and believe every word that is written in it.

You need to repent of all the sins you have committed against Him. You need to repent for not believing that God alone is the author of life. He states in Psalms 139 that we are fearfully and wonderfully made. It is He who fashions us in our mothers womb. In Jeremiah 1:4-6, the Word states that He knew Jeremiah before He ever formed him in his mother's womb. God knows all of us before He ever forms us.

God's Word is also very clear that murderer's have no inheritance in the kingdom of God. That includes anyone who has taken an innocent life.

Broken, you have made yourself "wiser than God". Your mindset has been formed by the world, not the Word.

Seek the Lord!

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« Reply #22 on: February 09, 2004, 10:45:39 PM »

Psalm 119,

James 4:12  There is one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you that you judge your neighbor?  

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« Reply #23 on: February 09, 2004, 10:48:30 PM »

One who does not stand for the right to life makes himself out to be judge  and exacutioner. Hold your ground psalm 119.
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« Reply #24 on: February 09, 2004, 10:54:45 PM »

The meek and lowly mouse is showing some teeth. Yes  you will be ignored. But i will read the thread so dont get the big head. To me you are the same as the ones who killed my grandchildren.
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« Reply #25 on: February 10, 2004, 12:13:47 AM »

Who said I was meek and lowly? All I said was that I welcome your attacks. They make me feel alive again and it beats cutting myself up.

Frankly, I don't care if your grandchildren were aborted. It has nothing to do with me and if you cannot see that there is something wrong with your sense of ethics.

You know what is ironic about all this? If I got pregnant, unless there was something very seriously wrong with the foetus, I wouldn't even have an abortion. I just support people's right to decide for themselves and not be nannied by anyone.

EDIT: I'm going to stop here, before I say things I regret. I'll review this lot tomorrow, see if I should delete any of my posts.
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« Reply #26 on: February 10, 2004, 05:45:36 AM »

Broken .. I'm not going to attack you or put you down. I think all that just causes a person to be more bitter & certainly doesn't change how someone feels. I know that some people like to argue that a fetus isn't a baby until it reaches a certain stage .. but if you read Gods holy word, & the bible doesn't lie .. in Jeremiah 1:5 it says " Before I formed you in the womb I knew you "... also in Psalm 139:13-16 ... "For you created my inmost being, you knitted me together in my mothers womb. I praise you because I am fearfully & wonderfully made.. your works are wonderful, I know that full well. My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place. When I was woven together in the depths of the earth, your eyes saw my unformed body". So clearly God wouldn't care about just a blob of tissue, only a real person that He Himself formed. And Reba, God also forgives those who have had abortions (thankfully) if they ask for His forgiveness .. I don't think it's right to judge someone who has had abortions.. if anything, pray for this lady who aborted your grandchildren (even though you might be angry or hurt by what she did .. forgive her as Christ forgave you) .. & maybe sincerely stand in prayer that she comes to know Christ herself even if she's messed up in drugs, you might be the only person praying for her you know? God bless, Lite
(Broken .. can you translate what you write at the end of your posts? Just curious Smiley )
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« Reply #27 on: February 10, 2004, 01:45:05 PM »

I've deleted most of my messages from last night, as I was not in a reasonable state of mind when I wrote them.

So, here are my reasons why I support legal abortions.

My view is simply that people do have the right to choose. That does not mean I would so choose, nor that I think it is a good option. If I could change the world, I would change it so that there was no need for abortion. Personally, should I ever become pregnant and did not want the child, I can think of only one reason why I would ever have an abortion, and that would be on the grounds of disability. When I say disability, I am not thinking of things like blindness, or Downs syndrome, or anything like that. I am actually thinking of someone I knew. Imagine a newborn baby, condemned to say, 40 years of agonising pain. Unable to speak, walk, hear, communicate, hold any form of independent life forever, knowing no emotion and no feeling other than pain. The child I knew would never have lived if it was not that doctors made extreme efforts to save her life. There is such a thing as a natural abortion, and babies who are terribly wrong die. This child did not, and was condemned to a terrible life for that. My auntie, who is a midwife and extremely pro-life, used to say that they had a saying: Thou shalt not kill, but thou shalt not officiously keep alive. There are times when a child would naturally die, and whether you call it nature or call it God who ordains that, He knows best. If I became pregnant and knew that the child would suffer as that girl suffered, I would have an abortion - and I would have it even if I knew eternal damnation would be the result. I would not condemn a dog to that life, much less a human.

That is the only circumstance in which I personally would have an abortion.

As for other people: my response is based on pragmatism. People have always had abortions, and will continue to have them, and I would far rather they at least did not run the risk of dying while attempting to abort the foetus. People make their own choices, and I am against anyone trying to make other people's decisions for them. I hate it if someone does that to me: why would I do it to someone else? People ought to be able to make an informed choice, yes, hold all the options in their hands to choose from. If they then choose to have an abortion against the other options, then it is their decision, and ultimately, it is between them and God.

As I said above, I do not think abortion is some great thing: it is not. It is a measure of last resort, and one that in a perfect world, would neither be needed nor wanted. I do think we should take steps to reduce the number of abortions, but not by banning it. I would not protest outside a clinic either, nor petition the state. My view of how we as Christians approach political/state issues like this is perhaps a little different to others' here. I would take a passive rather than an active approach. Instead of protesting outside abortion centres, and frightening people who are in distress, and instead of petitions and campaigns to the ruling authority, I would try to stop the need for abortions rather than them themselves.

The first thing I would do is have proper sex education in schools. The sex ed I had at school was truly appalling - all we were told was that men were like animals and if you wore a short skirt and got raped, it was your fault. Thats it! Kids in school should firstly not be taught sex ed by a teacher - its embarrassing for them and its embarrassing for the teacher. Get a specialised nurse in, someone who doesn't get embarrassed and teaches only sex ed. Explain about abstinence, and about contraception (don't, for heaven's sake, just assume people will not have sex because you have told them about absintence!) and about the alternatives to abortion, including things like money - how they could afford to bring up a child, for instance. Adults, too, need sex ed - though that would consist more of making sure that magazines carry responsible messages in both their normal pages and their agony aunts pages (which, to be fair, they normally are ok at) and producing health leaflets that are actually interesting to read. Reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies and you will reduce the number of abortions. Do it right, do it well, and we might get rid of them altogether. That is how I would do it. And it would also have the advantage of changing the image of the pro-life movement to a more positive one (can you imagine how many people have ignored what pro-lifers have to say because of how they are perceived? PR is important, even though it is often misused).

So there you have it: I do not unconditionally support abortion. You cannot call me pro-abortion - what I am is pro-choice, or rather, pro-informed-choice when there is no other option left for the person. What people choose to do when they know everything, is between them and God, I am not in control of them or what they do, and neither do I wish to be.

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And God will say:
Depart from me I never knew you!
I never knew you!
Never.
 

Man disavows, and Deity disowns me:
Hell might afford my miseries a shelter;
Therefore Hell keeps her ever-hungry mouths all
Bolted against me.
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« Reply #28 on: February 10, 2004, 01:52:32 PM »

Lite,

The quotation in my signature is from Caedmon's hymn, in Old English:


Let us now praise the ward of heaven's realm,
the might of the soul-father and his heart's thought,
works of the glory-father,
how he established the beginning of every wonder,
eternal Lord.
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And God will say:
Depart from me I never knew you!
I never knew you!
Never.
 

Man disavows, and Deity disowns me:
Hell might afford my miseries a shelter;
Therefore Hell keeps her ever-hungry mouths all
Bolted against me.
-Cowper
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« Reply #29 on: February 10, 2004, 02:28:14 PM »

Supporting the killing of a unborn child, in any mannor is to be pro abortion. Man can call it by pretty words like 'choice' but the choice is to kill the innocent.

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