I know I'm new here,but...

[Mick]

I can't help noticing a bit of argument and heated debate among a number of posters in this forum;obviously you all know each other well,whereas I don't know anyone at all.
Okay,lets use that!
Let me have a crack at arbitrating in any disputes,just for the fun of it,and I can give my honest opinion!
For example I notice some of you are ganging up on Michael Legna. Why,what's he said that you don't like?
Perhaps my outsider perspective will give a new angle of looking at the dispute?
Same goes for anybody else who's been argued with,let me be an unbiased referee!

[Sapphire W34P0N]

Haha...I'm not a regular in these parts of the boards, but I don't know if that'll go over too well...

[Tibby]

Michael seems to be holding his own. Hard to argue when you are wrong

Mick, it is clear you don't watch sports to much. There is on such thing as an "unbiased referee"

[Mick]

Mick, it is clear you don't watch sports to much. There is on such thing as an "unbiased referee"

If a referees decisions favour our team,he's very fair and unbiased;but if he favours the other team he should be sacked!

[Reba]

Kill the umpire  

[Tibby]

haha!

So, Mick, are you fair and unbiased, or do you disagree with the Catholic Church? lol j/k

[Petro]

What??  

lamb chop, is going to do what??

How can anyone arbitrate between God and Satan??

mick you need to start reading and familiarize yourself with the arguments michael is putting forth, no Christian would agree with any of it, only roman catholics will, ohhh,.......... an tibby too...

well, some of it anyhow, but not all...

Forget it mick.


Petro

[Tibby]

Relax

[nChrist]

Perhaps my outsider perspective will give a new angle of looking at the dispute?
Same goes for anybody else who's been argued with,let me be an unbiased referee!

Oklahoma Howdy to Mick,

The only unbiased referee is the Holy Bible itself. Many errors of interpretation are made because the reader may not have a clue about who the audience is, what time the portion of Scripture applies to, and what the purpose of the Scripture is. One must rightly divide the Word of God to have a chance in coming up with the correct interpretation. One might have to read an entire book to put the portion of Scripture in context. It is many times absolutely necessary to follow links to companion, comparison, and reference Scripture. It's also true that you many times have to use the Old Testament and the New Testament to understand a portion of Scripture. On the difficult portions of Scriptures, you might also have to go back and use ancient languages. If you do a complete study, the Holy Bible proves itself, and man has to be hard-headed with man-made doctrine to ignore the proof.

If someone tries to understand a difficult topic in 5 minutes, they will have a 5 minute garbage understanding. As an example, one could easily spend years on Revelation and still have a stack of guesses, I don't know, and I don't have a clue. One must study the entire Bible to have a beginner's understanding of Revelation.

In short, we don't need a referee. We need diligent study of all references and evidence for a topic and see if the outcome of the poster is true, partially true, or completely false by using the Bible to prove itself. By the way, one of the benefits of a lively discussion is additional study of the Holy Bible. I think it is likely that everyone can always learn something new in a good discussion if they are willing to do the required study to let the Bible prove or disprove every point made in each opinion. Excellent discussions usually involve people who enjoy studying the Holy Bible, and those discussions might take weeks or months with everyone benefiting.

In Christ,
Tom  

[sincereheart]

Beautifully stated, BEP!  

Mick, This:

For example I notice some of you are ganging up on Michael Legna

just reeks of neutrality....
ROFL!  

[Mick]

haha!

So, Mick, are you fair and unbiased, or do you disagree with the Catholic Church? lol j/k

Aha,a straight question for moi!
Well I'm non-denom myself,but from what i see of the Catholic Church,it seems to divert itself too much from Jesus by praying to his human mum and assorted human "saints" instead,so surely anything that diverts us from Jesus cannot be good can it?
And isn't it technically blasphemous to pray to humans?
Instead,we should focus on JESUS and nobody else:-"Let us fix our eyes on JESUS,the author and finisher of our faith" (Heb 12:2)
After all,Jesus said :- "Ask anything in MY name and I'll do it" (John 14:14)



 

[ebia]

Well I'm non-denom myself,but from what i see of the Catholic Church,it seems to divert itself too much from Jesus by praying to his human mum and assorted human "saints" instead,so surely anything that diverts us from Jesus cannot be good can it?

What you see as diverting, others find helpful in coming to Christ.

And isn't it technically blasphemous to pray to humans?

Prayer is just talking to someone - how is that blasphemous?

Instead,we should focus on JESUS and nobody else:-"Let us fix our eyes on JESUS,the author and finisher of our faith" (Heb 12:2)
After all,Jesus said :- "Ask anything in MY name and I'll do it" (John 14:14)

God provides lots of things, and lots of people, to help us get there.  If you want to disregard that help, that's up to you, but don't deny it to others.

[Tibby]

I'm with Ebia on this. I think you need to get into a more indepth study of Catholicism.

[Petro]

mick,

You wouldn't be using the ISV to quote scripture there, would you??

Petro

[Mick]

But why do we need different denominations anyway?
I belong to none,hence i'm free of the shackles they impose on people by way of ritual,ceremony and rigid doctrines.

I think denoms appeal to people because they do their thinking and teaching for them,and give them a sense of security through belonging to a group.

Nothing wrong with that of course as long as the denom doesn't corrupt the Word,but sadly many DO,and millions are wrongly led up the spout!

Personally i prefer to be free to think for myself and it feels great!
I simply try to follow the young carpenter from Nazareth,just as he instructed:-"You have ONE teacher, the Christ" (Matt 23:10)

And he's simplicity itself to understand:-
"And the common people heard him gladly" (Mark 12 :37)

And I need no denom or clergy to mediate for me:-
"There is ONE mediator between God and men,- the man Jesus Christ" (1 Tim 2:5)

You see,my "denomination" is the Lord Jesus Christ HIMSELF:)

(PS:-Petro,as usual i look at the shotgun spread of different versions and try to use a reasonable centre of gravity to quote contexturally in modern english,it seems the logical way)