no water baptism no salvation

[tonytony]

john 3:5

water is water and spirit and spirit.

at the same time we cant despise ephesians 2:8-9.

please note that nobody is a bible expert quoting one good verse alone.

read 2 timothy 2:15
also read 2 timothy 3:16
now read james 2:10

if you have a problem with any of these verses its because
your a child of the devil (john 8:44 & john 10:27)

if you really want to know a judger go to a funeral or listen to
people compliment their friends that have passed away some
time.

[ollie]

john 3:5

water is water and spirit and spirit.

at the same time we cant despise ephesians 2:8-9.

please note that nobody is a bible expert quoting one good verse alone.

read 2 timothy 2:15
also read 2 timothy 3:16
now read james 2:10

if you have a problem with any of these verses its because
your a child of the devil (john 8:44 & john 10:27)

if you really want to know a judger go to a funeral or listen to
people compliment their friends that have passed away some
time.

Perhaps the final "judger" awaits at the funeral home!

Have a good Day.

[The Crusader]

john 3:5

water is water and spirit and spirit.

at the same time we cant despise ephesians 2:8-9.

please note that nobody is a bible expert quoting one good verse alone.

read 2 timothy 2:15
also read 2 timothy 3:16
now read james 2:10

if you have a problem with any of these verses its because
your a child of the devil (john 8:44 & john 10:27)

if you really want to know a judger go to a funeral or listen to
people compliment their friends that have passed away some
time.

LOL thanks for the laughs kid.

The Crusader

[Allinall]

water is water and spirit and spirit...

Amen!![/b]  ...and blood is blood.  Such has been and always will be the basis for redemption.  Belief is the basis for salvation.  Blood bought redemption via the shed blood of Jesus Christ on the cross of Calvary alone, and the faith proffered by the word to attain that payment.  Praise God!!

[ollie]

john 3:5

water is water and spirit and spirit.

at the same time we cant despise ephesians 2:8-9.

please note that nobody is a bible expert quoting one good verse alone.

read 2 timothy 2:15
also read 2 timothy 3:16
now read james 2:10

if you have a problem with any of these verses its because
your a child of the devil (john 8:44 & john 10:27)

if you really want to know a judger go to a funeral or listen to
people compliment their friends that have passed away some
time.

"please note that nobody is a bible expert quoting one good verse alone.'

The results are in, you have given seven as references but have quoted none. Anymore of this expertise?

[ollie]

water is water and spirit and spirit...

Amen!![/b]  ...and blood is blood.  Such has been and always will be the basis for redemption.  Belief is the basis for salvation.  Blood bought redemption via the shed blood of Jesus Christ on the cross of Calvary alone, and the faith proffered by the word to attain that payment.  Praise God!!

Hi,

On a more serious note. What is meant by the water mentioned in John 3:5?

Ollie

[Kris777]

This is when Jesus is in Samaria and tells this women to give Him a drink of water.
John 4:13 -14 " Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again: But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life."

John 6:33-35 " For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.  Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread. And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst."

So when Jesus says that you must be born of water and of the spirit. He is saying that you must believe in Him and have the Holy Spirit to be saved.

[flutterby]

I agree with what my pastor teaches on baptism. If you were the holder of a billion dollar lottery ticket (prior to being a Christian ) and the rules on the back of that ticket said you must bring that ticket to the office within 24 hours and no later would you wait until 24 and a half hours to see how strict that office was about their rules? Well, NO! You would rush right in there the second their office opened. I refuse to do the absolute minimum or even try to see what I can get away with. What use is that? The Bible teaches water baptism. What great good is there in disputing such a simple thing?

flutterby

[JudgeNot]

Good point, Flutterby.  Very, VERY good point.  Why wait?  The wonderfulness of Him is there -- NOW!

[ollie]

This is when Jesus is in Samaria and tells this women to give Him a drink of water.
John 4:13 -14 " Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again: But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life."

John 6:33-35 " For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.  Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread. And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst."

So when Jesus says that you must be born of water and of the spirit. He is saying that you must believe in Him and have the Holy Spirit to be saved.

Hi,
Thank you so much.  I had lost track of that connection about the water  in my mind and could not reference the verses. I am sure i studied it in the past but it skipped me. Your reply brought it all back.

Thanks again,
Ollie

[ollie]

I agree with what my pastor teaches on baptism. If you were the holder of a billion dollar lottery ticket (prior to being a Christian ) and the rules on the back of that ticket said you must bring that ticket to the office within 24 hours and no later would you wait until 24 and a half hours to see how strict that office was about their rules? Well, NO! You would rush right in there the second their office opened. I refuse to do the absolute minimum or even try to see what I can get away with. What use is that? The Bible teaches water baptism. What great good is there in disputing such a simple thing?

flutterby

"The Bible teaches water baptism. What great good is there in disputing such a simple thing?"

Yes. As in AGREE!

[JudgeNot]

HOWEVER!  If I may be the advocate of a different scenario:

A young lady (or old man) has just been saved.  She has accepted Jesus Christ as the Lord of her life and believes with no doubt that He is who He says He is.  She is completely filled with His love.  On the way to her water baptism she is struck down and killed in a tragic accident.  
Is she still saved?  Does she still receive everlasting life?  Will our Lord turn His back on her who loved Him with all of her self?

I don’t think so…

[flutterby]

I don't think so either. I think God judges our hearts not our acts.

flutterby

[Pilgrim]

Water baptism is not necessary in order to be saved. Baptism is something that one does after they are saved.

A few examples of those saved without baptism.


The thief on the cross was saved without baptism.

The immoral woman of Luke 7 was saved without baptism.

The blind man of John 9 was saved without baptism.

Zacchaeus in Luke 19 was saved without baptism.

Pilgrim

[Ambassador4Christ]

1 Corinthians 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. 18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

For Christ sent me not to baptize  WOW!!!

Verse 18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. WOW!!!

This is the ONE Baptism Ephesians 4:5 with 1 Corithians 12:13
NO WATER.

HERE is a list of cults that do not follow Paul today because they require Israel's water baptism for salvation.... Jehovah's Witnesses , Catholics, Mormons, Church of Christ, and others.... who you going to believe? Men or God?