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« Reply #1095 on: March 06, 2009, 04:19:49 PM »

OBAMA WATCH CENTRAL
Republican senator says Snopes settled 'eligibility'
Arizona's Kyl cites website that assumes Hawaiian birth
Posted: March 06, 2009
12:15 am Eastern

By Bob Unruh
© 2009 WorldNetDaily

Sen. Jon Kyl, R-Ariz., has referred constituents raising concerns over President Obama's eligibility to occupy the Oval Office to an online "fact" organization that relies for its answer partly on information from the Obama campaign.

The response from Kyl to an Arizona constituent was revealed just one day after a Florida WND reader alerted WND to the fact Sen. Mel Martinez, R-Fla., had told him that Obama's eligibility was affirmed by voters who supported him in the Democratic primary and general elections in 2008.

The response from Kyl to a voter who asked about Obama's ability to meet the constitutional requirements for president said:

    Thank you for your recent e-mail. Senator Obama meets the constitutional requirements for presidential office. Rumors pertaining to his citizenship status have been circulating on the Internet, and this information has been debunked by Snopes.com, which investigates the truth behind Internet rumors.

Multiple attempts by WND through calls to Kyl's Washington and Arizona offices to obtain comment from him or his staff were unsuccessful.

The Snopes explanation to which Kyl directed constituents refers back to another website, FactCheck, which in turn cites as documentation of Obama's Hawaiian birth a "Certification of Live Birth" that the Obama campaign posted online during 2008.

The Snopes explanation notes that there could have been citizenship issues for Obama, except for the confirmation from FactCheck via the Obama campaign that Obama actually was born in the United States.

Critics, however, have pointed out that the "Certification of Live Birth" posted online is not, in fact, the same as a "Birth Certificate," and COLBs have been issued by Hawaii to parents whose children are not even born in the state.

"Do you see the ridiculousness of this response? … Snopes.com (a left-wing website) is now the arbiter of who is and isn't qualified to be president," said the voter who received the response. The person's identity was withheld for this report.

"I thought it was our elected representatives in Congress that were responsible for that!"

WND has reported on dozens of legal challenges to Obama's status as a "natural born citizen." The Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, states, "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President."

Some of the lawsuits question whether he was actually born in Hawaii, as he insists. If he was born out of the country, Obama's American mother, the suits contend, was too young at the time of his birth to confer American citizenship to her son under the law at the time.

Other challenges have focused on Obama's citizenship through his father, a Kenyan subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of his birth, thus making him a dual citizen. The cases contend the framers of the Constitution excluded dual citizens from qualifying as natural born.

Where's the proof Barack Obama was born in the U.S. or that he fulfills the "natural-born American" clause in the Constitution? If you still want to see it, join more than 300,000 others and sign up now!

The Snopes explanation notes that the Constitution's requirement that presidents be a natural born citizen isn't simple.

The website states, "What qualifies a person for natural-born citizenship status under U.S. law can be quite complicated, depending on factors such as where the person was born, when he was born, where he and his parents lived, and the nationalities of his parents."

The site notes Obama's mother was a natural born citizen, but his father was Kenyan, and "his parents may or may not have been legally married in the eyes of the U.S. law."

It also cites U.S. law at the time: "If only one parent was a U.S. citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16."

Obama's mother was only 18, so she would not have met the qualification for having lived five years in the U.S. after the age of 16.

"The fact is, the qualifications listed in the example quoted above are moot because they refer to someone who was born outside the United States. Since Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, they do not apply to him," the site said.

However, lawyers and plaintiffs in a multitude of lawsuits have asked why, if a birth certificate actually reflects that Obama was born in Hawaii, has he spent sums estimated by observers of up to $1 million hiring various law firms to keep concealed his birth certificate, his college records and other documentation.

California lawyer Orly Taitz, whose work is on her Defend Our Freedoms Foundation website, has written to state lawmakers across the nation.

Her letter released today confronted the Snopes explanation directly:

"The State of Hawaii, statute 338, allows foreign born children of Hawaiian residents to get a Hawaiian birth certificate. Mr. Obama has never presented any corroborating evidence that he was actually born in Hawaii. His paternal grandmother in Kenya and the ambassador of Kenya made statements that he was born in Kenya," she said.

"The image that Mr. Obama has posted on the Internet was not a valid birth certificate, but rather a limited value document, called Short Version Certification of Live Birth. The Certification of Live Birth does not name a hospital, name a doctor, have any signatures or a seal of the Hawaiian Health Department on the front of the document. This document is usually given to parties that don't have a proper hospital birth certificate and it is given based on a statement of one relative only. Even the state of Hawaii doesn't give full credit to these documents," she continued.
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« Reply #1096 on: March 06, 2009, 04:23:33 PM »

OBAMA WATCH CENTRAL
Republican senator says Snopes settled 'eligibility'
Arizona's Kyl cites website that assumes Hawaiian birth
Posted: March 06, 2009
12:15 am Eastern

By Bob Unruh
© 2009 WorldNetDaily

"As elected state and U.S. officials, you have a right and an obligation to hold judicial hearings on issues of paramount importance and you have a right and an obligation to issue subpoenas for production of documents and subpoena witnesses for testimony on such important issues," Taitz wrote to state lawmakers in the 50 states.

She suggested the records from the "Annenberg FactCheck" be subpoenaed "as to how did they claim to have examined Obama's birth certificate and found it valid. Neither the state of Hawaii, nor Obama has ever released such birth certificate and there is no evidence of Obama being born in any hospital in Hawaii."

Martinez also did not respond to WND requests for comment.

His explanation said, ""Presidential candidates are vetted by voters at least twice – first in the primary elections and again in the general election. President-Elect Obama won the Democratic Party's nomination after one of the most fiercely contested presidential primaries in American history.

"And, he has now been duly elected by the majority of voters in the United States. Throughout both the primary and general election, concerns about Mr. Obama's birthplace were raised. The voters have made clear their view that Mr. Obama meets the qualifications to hold the office of president," he wrote.

John Eidsmoe, an expert on the U.S. Constitution now working with the Foundation on Moral Law, an organization founded by former Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice Roy Moore, said a demand for verification of Obama's eligibility appears to be legitimate.

Eidsmoe said it's clear that Obama has something in the documentation of his history, including his birth certificate, college records and other documents that "he does not want the public to know."

Although Obama officials have told WND all such allegations are "garbage," here is a partial listing and status update for some of the cases over Obama's eligibility:

    * New Jersey attorney Mario Apuzzo has filed a case on behalf of Charles Kerchner and others alleging Congress didn't properly ascertain that Obama is qualified to hold the office of president.

    * Pennsylvania Democrat Philip Berg has three cases pending, including Berg vs. Obama in the 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, a separate Berg vs. Obama which is under seal at the U.S. District Court level and Hollister vs. Soetoro a/k/a Obama, brought on behalf of a retired military member who could be facing recall to active duty by Obama.

    * Leo Donofrio of New Jersey filed a lawsuit claiming Obama's dual citizenship disqualified him from serving as president. His case was considered in conference by the U.S. Supreme Court but denied a full hearing.

    * Cort Wrotnowski filed suit against Connecticut's secretary of state, making a similar argument to Donofrio. His case was considered in conference by the U.S. Supreme Court, but was denied a full hearing.

    * Former presidential candidate Alan Keyes headlines a list of people filing a suit in California, in a case handled by the United States Justice Foundation, that asks the secretary of state to refuse to allow the state's 55 Electoral College votes to be cast in the 2008 presidential election until Obama verifies his eligibility to hold the office. The case is pending, and lawyers are seeking the public's support.

    * Chicago attorney Andy Martin sought legal action requiring Hawaii Gov. Linda Lingle to release Obama's vital statistics record. The case was dismissed by Hawaii Circuit Court Judge Bert Ayabe.

    * Lt. Col. Donald Sullivan sought a temporary restraining order to stop the Electoral College vote in North Carolina until Barack Obama's eligibility could be confirmed, alleging doubt about Obama's citizenship. His case was denied.

    * In Ohio, David M. Neal sued to force the secretary of state to request documents from the Federal Elections Commission, the Democratic National Committee, the Ohio Democratic Party and Obama to show the presidential candidate was born in Hawaii. The case was denied.

    * Also in Ohio, there was the Greenberg v. Brunner case which ended when the judge threatened to assess all case costs against the plaintiff.

    * In Washington state, Steven Marquis sued the secretary of state seeking a determination on Obama's citizenship. The case was denied.

    * In Georgia, Rev. Tom Terry asked the state Supreme Court to authenticate Obama's birth certificate. His request for an injunction against Georgia's secretary of state was denied by Georgia Superior Court Judge Jerry W. Baxter.

    * California attorney Orly Taitz has brought a case, Lightfoot vs. Bowen, on behalf of Gail Lightfoot, the vice presidential candidate on the ballot with Ron Paul, four electors and two registered voters.

In addition, other cases cited on the RightSideofLife blog as raising questions about Obama's eligibility include:

    * In Texas, Darrel Hunter vs. Obama later was dismissed.

    * In Ohio, Gordon Stamper vs. U.S. later was dismissed.

    * In Texas, Brockhausen vs. Andrade.

    * In Washington, L. Charles Cohen vs. Obama.

    * In Hawaii, Keyes vs. Lingle, dismissed.

Corsi had gone to both Kenya and Hawaii prior to the election to investigate issues surrounding Obama's birth. But his research and discoveries only raised more questions, the biggest being why, if there exists documentation of Obama's eligibility, hasn't it been released to quell the rumors.

Instead, a series of law firms have been hired on Obama's behalf around the nation to prevent any public access to his birth certificate, passport records, college records and other documents.
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« Reply #1097 on: March 07, 2009, 10:05:16 AM »

THIS IS NOT GOING TO GO AWAY! THE VOTERS HAVE A RIGHT TO THE TRUTH!

I'm am convinced more by the day that we do not have a President in the White House at this time but rather that we have an intruder that is occupying and holding the office illegally. I am not one that falls for conspiracies but Obama's own actions in this matter give reason to believe them.

Twittered? Snopes? Where has reasonable logic gone? Personally I think logic has been thrown under the outhouse.

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« Reply #1098 on: March 07, 2009, 10:38:46 AM »

Snopes can be very interesting but lacks knowledge in politics. But yea, logic is the new illogical and vice versa.
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« Reply #1099 on: March 07, 2009, 03:49:49 PM »

The question now is, even if he is ineligible, who is going to remove him? The military? They probably wouldn't, as the crisis would bring down the government and the world economy.
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« Reply #1100 on: March 07, 2009, 03:56:29 PM »

as the crisis would bring down the government and the world economy.

Which is what is happening now anyway.

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« Reply #1101 on: March 08, 2009, 05:27:10 AM »

In the meantime, NOTHING would be legal or Constitutional, including every agreement, piece of paper, and any so-called official act. We must also know that all current actions are intentionally destroying everything we hold dear. The end of the path is socialism, communism, evil, and worse - NOT BETTER! ALL CHANGE WILL BE EVIL AND FOR THE WORSE. THE LONGER THINGS GO - THE WORSE THINGS WILL BE! THIS IS NOT THE CHANGE THAT PEOPLE WANTED! BUT WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT WON'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE WHEN FREEDOM AND LIBERTY ARE TAKEN AWAY!
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« Reply #1102 on: March 09, 2009, 11:35:33 AM »

I'm am convinced more by the day that we do not have a President in the White House at this time but rather that we have an intruder that is occupying and holding the office illegally. I am not one that falls for conspiracies but Obama's own actions in this matter give reason to believe them.

Twittered? Snopes? Where has reasonable logic gone? Personally I think logic has been thrown under the outhouse.



I think you got that right and I'm in total agreement.  The whole situation is just sickening.
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« Reply #1103 on: March 09, 2009, 11:37:40 AM »

The question now is, even if he is ineligible, who is going to remove him? The military? They probably wouldn't, as the crisis would bring down the government and the world economy.

I think there is truth in what Rhys says.  To get him out could cause another civil war and riots, and with the division in the country make it a prime time and target of our enemies.
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« Reply #1104 on: March 09, 2009, 01:41:43 PM »

I think there is truth in what Rhys says.  To get him out could cause another civil war and riots, and with the division in the country make it a prime time and target of our enemies.

There is no doubt about that as far as I am concerned either. There is chaos coming no matter which way things head in this matter.

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« Reply #1105 on: March 09, 2009, 03:27:50 PM »

I think the only thing they could do is kick him out and file all of the appropriate charges against him and everyone else who knew about it. Let's get real - others do know about it, and it's a very serious CRIME. If these allegations are true, nothing done by him is legal or Constitutional. If this is true - the quicker it's handled - the better. Maybe we could also reduce and even backup some damage already done.

I think what we're really watching is an attempted usurping of our government. We are also watching some folks try to destroy what's left of this country. Maybe this is one reason why everything has to be so fast - do as much damage as possible - and do it quick. My personal opinion is that these allegations are true.
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« Reply #1106 on: March 09, 2009, 04:20:48 PM »

Executive order labeled a union 'payoff'
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The head of a union watchdog group warns that an executive order recently signed by President Barack Obama could potentially increase the cost of federal construction projects by up to 30 percent.

Last month, President Obama issued an executive order that allows government agencies to limit large federal construction projects to unionized contractors. The order reversed a directive under former President George W. Bush.

Mark Mix, president of the National Right to Work Committee, says the Obama order will have a detrimental effect on both non-union workers and taxpayers.

"We know from various studies across the country -- one coming from Beacon Hill Institute in Massachusetts that indicates very decisively -- that these so-called 'project labor agreements' add significantly to the cost of federal contracts," Mix explains.

"And further...these non-union contractors across the country, of which about 85 percent of construction workers don't labor under union monopoly contracts, ...are effectively knocked out of the competitive bidding process because they don't have a union contract," he adds. "That's an outrage both from an individual freedom standpoint and from a taxpayer standpoint."

Mix believes the executive order is a payoff to the building trades unions for the "massive forced dues support" they showered on Obama during his presidential campaign.
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« Reply #1107 on: March 09, 2009, 07:27:13 PM »

UM? - It appears we might be having some really DIRTY business being done from the White House!

Most definitely. This is just one more thing that prevents people from getting their own business started and puts us deeper into communism.

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Turkish officials invite Obama to Alliance of Civilizations meeting
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A member of a Turkish parliamentary delegation that has been holding a series of talks in Washington D.C. said on Friday that the delegation invited U.S. President Barack Obama to Turkey again.

Holding a press conference on the Turkish delegation's talks in USA, Cuneyt Yuksel, member of the Turkish-U.S. Inter-parliamentary Friendship Group, said that the delegation invited Obama to the "Alliance of Civilizations" meeting to be held in Turkey on April 6-7.

Upon a question on the criticisms claiming that Turkey's active policy in the Middle East damaged the country's ties to the West, Yuksel said, "Turkey has a clear strategic target which is full membership to EU. Those trying to show Turkey as something else, are acting unfair".

Commenting on Turkish-Armenian relations as well, Yuksel said both Turkish and U.S. officials expressed during the talks that the positive atmosphere between Turkey and Armenia should be maintained.

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« Reply #1109 on: March 10, 2009, 11:20:09 PM »


You know, it's groups like these that practically BEG conspiracy theorists to come pounding on their door. "Alliance of Civilizations" just the initials of A.C., the name itself leading to suggest "one-world goverment"??

I think they know exactly what they are doing. Hiding in plain sight........... We are only seeing this, because we are watching.
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