Spiritual Gifts

[Gracey]

"that which is perfect" being a "thing"; for me, would be The New Jerusalem.

Still hasn't arrived, for me!

Gracey  

[Reba]

Heb 12:22

22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
KJV

[Gracey]

Rev 3:12  Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

Rev 21:2  And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

[Reba]

Some how the 3 verses reconcile to each other ....

[Ambassador4Christ]

The GIFTS enumerated in EPHESIANS 4:7-16, and that these alone are necessary for the building up of the Body of Christ.  

Your friend and brother

The Crusader
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Right on Crusader, Right On

[Jabez]

1 Corinthians 13:8
Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

A4C and all it is not hard to see,these gifts are still given as the spirit sees fit.If what your saying were true,all knowledge would be lost as well,do you claim that?Neither you nor me can sway the spirit as to the gifts he gives.Would you say no to him?

[Ambassador4Christ]

The GIFTS enumerated in EPHESIANS 4:7-16, and that these alone are necessary for the building up of the Body of Christ.  

AAAAAAAAAAAMEN!!!

[Jabez]

Ephesians 4:7
But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
8-Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
9-(Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
10-He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
11-And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;[u/]
12-For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13-Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14-That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
15-But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
16-From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

I read that as,Jesus gave us gifts.And gave us verse 11.Just because we dont agree on this issue doesnt mean much.I beleive in the gifts,and you dont.

[Gracey]

The GIFTS enumerated in EPHESIANS 4:7-16, and that these alone are necessary for the building up of the Body of Christ.

Does repeating this over and over again somehow make it right?

....uuuhhh, sorry. Usually I'm not so impatient. Generally, I do have a little more grace (but apparently I need more)    

Gracey

[Ambassador4Christ]

The GIFTS enumerated in EPHESIANS 4:7-16, and that these alone are necessary for the building up of the Body of Christ.

Does repeating this over and over again somehow make it right?

....uuuhhh, sorry. Usually I'm not so impatient. Generally, I do have a little more grace (but apparently I need more)    

Gracey

Just for you Gracey, The GIFTS enumerated in EPHESIANS 4:7-16, and that these alone are necessary for the building up of the Body of Christ.

[Ambassador4Christ]

2 Tim 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2 Tim 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
This verse nullifies tongues for this age, the dispensation of the grace of God.

[Jabez]

A4C:
2 Tim 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2 Tim 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
This verse nullifies tongues for this age, the dispensation of the grace of God.

Me-
Are you saying this verse nullifies all gifts or just tongues?

[Ambassador4Christ]

1 Corinthians 13:8
Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

A4C and all it is not hard to see,these gifts are still given as the spirit sees fit.If what your saying were true,all knowledge would be lost as well,do you claim that?Neither you nor me can sway the spirit as to the gifts he gives.Would you say no to him?

 Paul very plainly says that the sign gifts would disappear after the completion of the word of God. 1 Cor 13:8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. These 3 gifts, prophecy, tongues, and knowledge were given to communicate the Word of God until the Word was completed. Once the word was completed they failed, ceased and vanished away. And yet there are those who continue to “mislead, trick, and lead astray ” the uninitiated for profit.

[Ambassador4Christ]

What do you do with a sick apostle?

I once talked with a woman from Far Rockaway in Queens. She had given up on the Lord. A few years earlier her husband had been sick with cancer. She prayed for his healing. Her pastor and the elders prayed and anointed him. The whole church prayed for him. And then he died. Now she was convinced that the Lord had let her down, or maybe even that He didn't exist at all.

Despite all the talk about "divine healings," the death rate has remained the same, one a piece.

Here again, knowing about the "administration of God's grace" that the Lord Jesus revealed to the Apostle Paul (Ephesians 3:2-3) is the answer-this time to the problem of unhealed Christians.

Early in Paul's ministry, the Lord gave him the power to heal everyone (see Acts 19:11-12, 28:9 for notable examples). But there was always one person Paul couldn't heal ... himself! He wrote to the Galatians, "it was because of an illness that I first preached to you." (Galatians 4:13-14) Another time Paul prayed three times for the Lord to take away the thorn in his flesh. The Lord said, No.

Later, after the close of the book of Acts, the Lord withdrew that power to work miracles. Paul had written in 1 Corinthains 13:8 that the miraculous gifts would "cease", and they did. No more gift of tongues, no more gift of prophecy, no more gift of healing.

Timothy was sick with "frequent illnesses" and Paul advised him to "use a little wine" for his stomach (1 Timothy 5:23). No more miraculous cloths or gift of healing. In his last letter Paul writes about a faithful co-worker named Trophimus and says, "I left Trophimus sick in Miletus." (2 Timothy 4:20). The miraculour gifts had ceased. In the "administration of God's grace," the Lord Jesus doesn't promise to heal all our sicknesses or take away all our problems.

It was a sick man who wrote, "I have learned the secret of being content in any and every situation..." (Philippians 4:12). He had learned that His grace is sufficient. Do you know the peace and power of God's Grace For Today?

http://www.gracefortoday.org/unhealedchristians.htm

[Jabez]

1 Corinthians 10
But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

WHats this talking about?