Are you not judgeing what it is to say what is and is not horrific? We all suffer. So should I have been killed as a baby to save me from the trauma of this life?
Did you ever have one good time? This girl did not. Not one moment of peace, one moment of happiness, one moment when she was free from pain. No one has ever heard her laugh. Her whole life has been a struggle to make things marginally less painful for her. Not to get rid of the pain, because they can't. Just to lessen it slightly.
You are very different, I am very different. Hers is an unusual case - and as I stated above,
that is how disabled someone has to be before I think that abortion is justified.
Broken do you believe that it is our right to decide what child lives or dies? Seeing that it seems that you support mercy killing do you believe that if an adult is suffering then another person has the right to end their suffering?
I believe an adult has the right to choose. Once you are past the age of responsibility, it is your choice and yours alone to decide if you should die.
Of course, it is already normal, and has been for many years, that the doctors will see to it that you will die sooner than you perhaps might otherwise have done. Again it goes back to the maxim: thou shalt not kill, but thou shalt not officiously keep alive. It is just not something they advertise. But if the amount of medication it would take to stop a person's pain is enough to kill them - they will do it, rather than have that person live on in pain. Only "if" and only if that person is dying anyway.
I believe that even though that person's life is different from ours what is abnormal for us is normal for them. Can't we learn from the sick? My friend had a 2 year old sister that died in June. She suffered greatly. Do you believe that they should have euthenized her like a dog?
You have more compassion for an animal than for a human? I would call that a shame.
I am sure we can learn from those we torture - but that does not mean we should torture them. We learned from the victims of the Nazis - should we therefore embrace their cruelty? No way!
How could I have learned from Claire? Why should I have forced her to live, in order that I might gain? Let me see...what I have learned from her is to make sure that I do not make someone suffer as Claire suffered.
God made us in His own image and I believe that being as important as we are to God we should not reduce a baby killing down to a level to parellel that of a slautering of a pig. I don't understand your justifications Broken and I never will. It is God's call who lives or dies.
Then why did you ask the questions? If you do not want to hear the answers, you should not ask for them.
I simply cannot see
how anyone can justify such incredible cruelty. How you can justify making someone live who will never even know that they are living. Who feels only pain. Whose entire life is a literal Hell to them. Whose pain is greater than you or I can ever know, and who does not understand what is happening to her. That to me is the worst cruelty I can imagine. I could not do it; and I do not understand the minds of those who could.
NateyCakes,
Broken, What kind of cruelity??
Immense pain. Every minute, of every day, for thirty years and, it seems, for many years yet. Pain that cannot be taken away but only lessened. Pain not understood, the pain that makes a baby make this sort of noise...its not crying, its a cry of despair, for a pain that they have never been free from and never will be free from. Death will be a blessing for Claire. She gets nothing out of life, absolutely nothing. She can learn nothing, give nothing, does not understand what she is given either. I'll give you the measure of how disabled this child is: she is always cold, and used to wrap her arms around radiators. The heat burned all the skin from her hands and arms -
and she did not understand that in order to stop the pain she must move her arms away. Even an animal has more brain than that. The poor girl has no sense, no understanding - her life is pain and nothing more. To make her live, to force her to live when she would have died at birth is intolerable cruelty we would not visit on a dog much less a human.
"Oh, well the Dr told me my baby might come out deformed & there might be a chance he will be slow.." Etc, Yes, such a good reason to MURDER! **NOT!!** I like what was said, the Lord does EVERYTHING, every single thing for purpose & if you are pregnant, there IS reason & you should NEVER take that life!!!!!!
I have never justified the abortion of babies who have learning disabilities, who do not look right, who are physically disabled. My best friend has a learning disability, a good friend at college was in a wheelchair. I grew up among disabled people of all ranges because my mother worked with them. I would not say they should die, any of them. It is an issue of quality of life. Every one of them can bring something to the world and can receive from the world. Every one. Their lives are worth living.
Claire's life is not worth living. If you, like I, had grown up listening to the moans of someone unable to comphrehend why they hurt so much. If you had watched her chewing the skirting boards and banging her head off walls because she understood nothing but pain any more, because the pain drove her, and drove her mad. If you had seen the agony she went through, the harm it caused her and her entire family, who could not stop her pain. If you had seen that wreck of a life that cannot be salvaged, that brings nothing to anything, and whose family hope only that she will find things easier after death - because she will not find it here, if you had seen that, perhaps you would say differently.
She was never meant to live. They did not expect her to live. But here she is at 30, for she has the misfortune to have good heart and lungs, and is likely to live for years yet. In agony. She is the reason I support abortion in some circumstances, because I saw her and I would not put someone through that. At the time of Jesus, she would have died. A few years before her birth, she would have died. Only extra-strenuous efforts saved her life. Doctors often don't make such efforts for babies they know will die young, or have a terrible life, you do not know the sorts of babies who are stillborn, or who die shortly after birth. Babies never destined for life. Claire should have been among them. She was not, and the result is a life more terrible than anything I could even imagine.
Have you the hardness of heart to put another through that?
