God's Sabbath Rest

[Wreck N Sow]

Raphu
you wrote
This promise is fulfilled

Exod.16  [25] And Moses said, Eat that to day; for to day is a sabbath unto the LORD: to day ye shall not find it in the field.
[26] Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none.
[27] And it came to pass, that there went out some of the people on the seventh day for to gather, and they found none.
[28] And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?
[29] See, for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.
[30] So the people rested on the seventh day.
[31] And the house of Israel called the name thereof Manna: and it was like coriander seed, white; and the taste of it was like wafers made with honey.

Cant seem to find anything about any promises?
Can ya help me out here?

[John the Baptist]

John here: Also Raphe,
in Matt 24 Christ tell's His one's, to PRAY that their flight be neither in the winter [OR] on the Sabbath day! Wow!! around 70 years into the future? (Check any commentary for that 70AD flight) They call it the destruction of Jerusalem.

A couple problems arise with the Master's Words here pertaining to your theology! Who shall we believe Raphe?? Surely anyone can 'see' that Christ understood that HIS SAINTS were to still be keeping the 7th day Sabbath long after He went back into heaven itself!

Then another failure of your theology Raphe comes to view? All of the way up to 70AD we see that the Holy Ghost which [Christ stated] was given to INSTRUCT & BRING UNTO OUR REMEMBRANCE, [NEVER] did so with the apostles or Christ's prophecy?!!

Personally, I for one would retract my 'posting'  & head on a retreat, then join the 'narrow path' ones of Matt. 7.

And by the way, these Sabbath keeping ones are seen again in Rev. 12:17 'KEEPING THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD *AND THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS' just before they enter their land of Caanan!! [ALL OF THEM! Jms. 2:8-12]

[Wreck N Sow]

Hi Ghost Writer
you wrote
The sabbath is arcaic(ghost writer cant spell).If we kindle a fire on the sabbath are we doomed?

BOO. Parables GW. The tounge is the fire.

EXOD.35  [2] Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death.[3] Ye shall kindle no fire throughout your habitations upon the sabbath day.

PROVERBS 26  [20] Where no wood is, there the fire goeth out: so where there is no talebearer, the strife ceaseth.[21] As coals are to burning coals, and wood to fire; so is a contentious man to kindle strife.[22] The words of a talebearer are as wounds, and they go down into the innermost parts of the belly.

JAMES 3  [4] Behold also the ships, which though they be so great, and are driven of fierce winds, yet are they turned about with a very small helm, whithersoever the governor listeth.[5] Even so the tongue is a little member, and boasteth great things. Behold, how great a matter a little fire kindleth![6] And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell.[7] For every kind of beasts, and of birds, and of serpents, and of things in the sea, is tamed, and hath been tamed of mankind:[8] But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.

JER.17 [26] And they shall come from the cities of Judah, and from the places about Jerusalem, and from the
land of Benjamin, and from the plain, and from the mountains, and from the south, bringing burnt offerings, and sacrifices, and meat offerings, and incense, and bringing sacrifices of praise, unto the house of the LORD.[27] But if ye will not hearken unto me to hallow the sabbath day, and not to bear a burden, even entering in at the gates of Jerusalem on the sabbath day; then will I kindle a fire in the gates thereof, and it shall devour the palaces of Jerusalem, and it shall not be quenched.


EZEK.20
[10] Wherefore I caused them to go forth out of the land of Egypt, and brought them into the wilderness.

[12] Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them.[13] But the house of Israel rebelled against me in the wilderness: they walked not in my statutes, and they despised my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them; and my sabbaths they greatly polluted: then I said, I would pour out my fury upon them in the wilderness, to consume them.

[23] I lifted up mine hand unto them also in the wilderness, that I would scatter them among the heathen, and disperse them through the countries;[24] Because they had not executed my judgments, but had despised my statutes, and had polluted my sabbaths, and their eyes were after their fathers' idols.[25] Wherefore I gave them also statutes that were not good, and judgments whereby they should not live;

[35] And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face.[36] Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you, saith the Lord GOD.[37] And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant:

[47] And say to the forest of the south, Hear the word of the LORD; Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will  kindle a fire in thee, and it shall devour every green tree in thee, and every dry tree: the flaming flame shall not be quenched, and all faces from the south to the north shall be burned therein.[48] And all flesh shall see that I the LORD have kindled it: it shall not be quenched.[49] Then said I, Ah Lord GOD! they say of me, Doth he not speak parables?

Yes HE doth.          

[Wreck N Sow]

I guess i just feel like singin today

ANYONE OUT THERE KNOW THE SONG OF MOSES

DEUT.31
[21] And it shall come to pass, when many evils and troubles are befallen them, that this song shall testify against them as a witness; for it shall not be forgotten out of the mouths of their seed: for I know their imagination which they go about, even now, before I have brought them into the land which I sware.[22] Moses therefore wrote this song the same day, and taught it the children of Israel.[23] And he gave Joshua the son of Nun a charge, and said, Be strong and of a good courage: for thou shalt bring the children of Israel into the land which I sware unto them: and I will be with thee.[24] And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished,[25] That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying,[26] Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.[27] For I know thy rebellion, and thy stiff neck: behold, while I am yet alive with you this day, ye have been rebellious against the LORD; and how much more after my death?
[28] Gather unto me all the elders of your tribes, and your officers, that I may speak these words in their ears, and call heaven and earth to record against them.[29] For I know that after my death ye will utterly corrupt yourselves, and turn aside from the way which I have commanded you; and evil will befall you in the latter days; because ye will do evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger through the work of your hands.[30] And Moses spake in the ears of all the congregation of Israel the words of this song, until they were ended.

it shall come to pass, when many evils and troubles are befallen them, that this song shall testify against them as a witness- and evil will befall you in the latter days- Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.

REVELATION 15
[2] And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps
of God.[3] And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.[4] Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments are made manifest.

them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God. And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God.
I believe everyone already knows this but i’ll say it anyways. It was the 10 commandments that were put inside the ark.
When the commandments are brought out as a witness against the people, im sure the 4th commandment will read as it did when it was put in the ark.

You've gotta have heart

[Wreck N Sow]

Do you think we have a wishy washy God who changes HIS mind about keeping the sabbath HE created and that HE said HE was Lord over to the day of the sun for a few years than back to the original in the 1000 yr period of rest? I think not!

For I am the LORD, I change not;

AMOS 3 [7] Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

Can anyone show me scripture where God changed the sabbath day or revealed anywhere that it would be alright for man to change HIS day of rest.

HOSEA 2 [8] For she did not know that I gave her corn, and wine, and oil, and multiplied her silver and gold, which they prepared for Baal.[9] Therefore will I return, and take away my corn in the time thereof, and my wine in the season thereof, and will recover my wool and my flax given to cover her nakedness.[10] And now will I discover her lewdness in the sight of her lovers, and none shall deliver her out of mine hand.[11] I will also cause all her mirth to cease, her feast days, her new moons, and her sabbaths, and all her solemn feasts.

I found this scripture. But this was done as a punishment because the Lord was angry with these people.
Baal is worshipped on sundays.

PROVERBS 24  [19] Fret not thyself because of evil men, neither be thou envious at the wicked;[20] For
there shall be no reward to the evil man; the candle of the wicked shall be put out.[21] My son, fear thou the LORD and the king: and meddle not with them that are given to change:[22] For their calamity shall rise suddenly; and who knoweth the ruin of them both?

meddle not with them that are given to change

DANIEL 7[25] And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.[26] But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.[27] And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: The sabbath is the only law (the 10 commandments) that deals with time! And yes,they say the sabbath has change to Sunday!

MALACHI 3 [2] But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:[3] And he shall sit as a refiner and purifer of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the LORD an offering in righteousness.[4] Then shall the offering of Judah and Jerusalem be pleasant unto the LORD, as in the days of old, and as in former years.[5] And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, saith the LORD of hosts.[6] For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

But who may abide the day of his coming? For I am the LORD, I change not!!

HEBREWS 13  [8] Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Well thats cleared up

[Raphu]

Our rest is no longer in a day, but in Jesus Christ. We rest from our labors in Him. His work accomplished our rest, which is what sabbath means. Our labor is to have faith in that which God has provided with the better covenant:

Hebrews 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

Even the torah that cannot be observed or should no longer be observed (like blood sacrifice) is still a teaching. It is a shadow of Christ. It is the spirit of the torah or instruction that is important. You could obey the "letter" of a law and still not obey the "spirit" of the law. That is why Christ summed up the whole law with love God and love your neighbor. Now that we have the Spirit inside to direct, He will lead us in the correct spirit of the law.  That is why it always seemed like Christ was breaking the torah. He was just teaching them what it really meant to follow the torah in spirit. The Pharisees just kept adding more "rules" to follow, not understanding that they hindered the spirit of the law rather than aiding it. You cannot difine the spirit of something with rigid rules, for there will always be exceptions or a new set of circumstances that are not covered. If you try to live by the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, you will be continually adding new rules to cover every situation, with no flexibility.....but if you live by the tree of life (Christ within you) ...you will know what is right no matter what the circumstances, for you will be living by the spirit of the torah, by the example of teachings that show you about the spirit and heart of God. For example Shabbat.....the torah says to rest and honor God on Shabbat. Christ showed that there were times when honoring God by saving a lost sheep or feeding those who were hungry was infact following the spirit of Shabbot.

Matthew 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
Matthew 11:28  Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Ro 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be ANY other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Hebrews 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
Hebrews 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
Hebrews 4:11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

John 6:29  Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

Mt 22:35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang ALL the law and the prophets.

Rest in a day was meant to be of the temporal. The eternal salvation was achieved only through Jesus Christ, and our rest is in the eternal - not the temporal. Christ is eternal - hallelujah! The day was a shadow and only temporary. Our new life is in Christ and eternal.

Matthew 15:1 Some Pharisees and teachers of religious law now arrived from Jerusalem to interview Jesus. 2 "Why do your disciples disobey our age-old traditions?" they demanded. "They ignore our tradition of ceremonial hand washing before they eat." 3 Jesus replied, "And why do you, by your traditions, violate the direct commandments of God? 4 For instance, God says, `Honor your father and mother,' and `Anyone who speaks evil of father or mother must be put to death.' 5 But you say, `You don't need to honor your parents by caring for their needs if you give the money to God instead.' 6 And so, by your own tradition, you nullify the direct commandment of God. 7 You hypocrites! Isaiah was prophesying about you when he said, 8 `These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far away.
9 Their worship is a farce, for they replace God's commands with their own man-made teachings.'"

[Ambassador4Christ]

Resting in Christ 24/7
Thank You Jesus

[John the Baptist]

Our rest is no longer in a day, but in Jesus Christ. We rest from our labors in Him. His work accomplished our rest, which is what sabbath means. Our labor is to have faith in that which God has provided with the better covenant:

Hebrews 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

Even the torah that cannot be observed or should no longer be observed (like blood sacrifice) is still a teaching. It is a shadow of Christ. It is the spirit of the torah or instruction that is important. You could obey the "letter" of a law and still not obey the "spirit" of the law. That is why Christ summed up the whole law with love God and love your neighbor. Now that we have the Spirit inside to direct, He will lead us in the correct spirit of the law.  That is why it always seemed like Christ was breaking the torah. He was just teaching them what it really meant to follow the torah in spirit. The Pharisees just kept adding more "rules" to follow, not understanding that they hindered the spirit of the law rather than aiding it. You cannot difine the spirit of something with rigid rules, for there will always be exceptions or a new set of circumstances that are not covered. If you try to live by the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, you will be continually adding new rules to cover every situation, with no flexibility.....but if you live by the tree of life (Christ within you) ...you will know what is right no matter what the circumstances, for you will be living by the spirit of the torah, by the example of teachings that show you about the spirit and heart of God. For example Shabbat.....the torah says to rest and honor God on Shabbat. Christ showed that there were times when honoring God by saving a lost sheep or feeding those who were hungry was infact following the spirit of Shabbot.

Matthew 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
Matthew 11:28  Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Ro 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be ANY other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Hebrews 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
Hebrews 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
Hebrews 4:11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

John 6:29  Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

Mt 22:35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang ALL the law and the prophets.

Rest in a day was meant to be of the temporal. The eternal salvation was achieved only through Jesus Christ, and our rest is in the eternal - not the temporal. Christ is eternal - hallelujah! The day was a shadow and only temporary. Our new life is in Christ and eternal.

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John here:
's'atanic hog/wash!
"He that sayeth, [I KNOW HIM], and [KEEPETH NOT HIS COMMANDMENTS] is a [LIAR], and the [TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM.]"  1 Jn. 2:4

"And the 'd'evil (?) was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the REMNANT OF HER SEED, [WHICH KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD], AND [HAVE THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS CHRIST]." Rev. 12:17

"Let us hear the CONCLUSION OF THE WHOLE MATTER: (wow! that is kind of complicated, huh?) Fear God, and keep HIS COMMANDMENTS: for [THIS IS THE WHOLE DUTY OF MAN]

Again, very conplicated stuff for the lost ones to understand, huh!

For GOD SHALL BRING EVERY [WORK] INTO JUDGEMENT, WITH EVERY SECRET THING, WEATHER IT BE GOOD OR WHEATHER IT BE EVIL." Eccl. 12:13-14

The JUDGEMENT is when? Long after the departure of Christ!

Who are these self serving posts from Lord? Mark 7:*6 through 9!

Forum, it is a good thing that [we] do not see these 'secret things' in comparision to their open printed ones.   Thank you Jesus!

But there is one thing that cannot be called into question, and that is that these ones have a [HOT DESIRE] to do [THE WORK] of someone that was also in the garden with both God & Cain!

--John

[Ambassador4Christ]

Quote Raphu:
Our rest is no longer in a day, but in Jesus Christ. We rest from our labors in Him. His work accomplished our rest, which is what sabbath means. Our labor is to have faith in that which God has provided.

DITTO  

[Raphu]

John here: Also Raphe,
in Matt 24 Christ tell's His one's, to PRAY that their flight be neither in the winter [OR] on the Sabbath day! Wow!! around 70 years into the future? (Check any commentary for that 70AD flight) They call it the destruction of Jerusalem.

A couple problems arise with the Master's Words here pertaining to your theology! Who shall we believe Raphe?? Surely anyone can 'see' that Christ understood that HIS SAINTS were to still be keeping the 7th day Sabbath long after He went back into heaven itself!

Then another failure of your theology Raphe comes to view? All of the way up to 70AD we see that the Holy Ghost which [Christ stated] was given to INSTRUCT & BRING UNTO OUR REMEMBRANCE, [NEVER] did so with the apostles or Christ's prophecy?!!

Personally, I for one would retract my 'posting'  & head on a retreat, then join the 'narrow path' ones of Matt. 7.

And by the way, these Sabbath keeping ones are seen again in Rev. 12:17 'KEEPING THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD *AND THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS' just before they enter their land of Caanan!! [ALL OF THEM! Jms. 2:8-12]

This one scripture, Mat.24:20, does not deter me from believing that our rest is in Christ and Him alone as opposed to a 24hr. day. Actually, doesn't it sounds strange that winter or the Sabbath day would make any difference in a flight situation? It would not, but those that were staying inside a building might miss something that had to be seen to be realized. There is something happening outside that has to be seen outside in order for one to recognize and run to safety or salvation. As the Lord saved the thief on the cross, perhaps there will be some saved or just one at those last moments of time, just by their presense of mind to see that truth and accept it in a moment of time.

[Raphu]

In Christ we have a better covenant. Hebrews compares the old covenant and the better covenant and what we have through Christ and His fulfillment of the law. The comparison in chapter four is between old and new which is the case throughout Hebrews in showing us what we have in Christ.

Hebrews 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
Hebrews 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
Hebrews 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

Go back and read Heb. 4:10 again and see that the comparison is made of the rest we enter into in Christ and through he better covenant to the old rest that God took from His works. The work is finished in Him so the verses in Col.2:16, Paul wrote, were given to those that kept on requiring works of the old law, including circumcision and observing the sabbath day. What do you think these verses mean? Our labor, now is to have faith in the work He did for us.

Heb. 4:11 ¶ Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

He is our rest and we are also hidden in Him (Col. 3:3,4). He is the Lord of the Sabbath because He is our sabbath rest. Sabbath means rest and the rest we have in Him and His work through the cross is what we are to boast of - not our vain works of obedience to a day which are like filthy rags compared to His work and sacrifice on the cross. Why go back and believe that our works would be superior to the work of God through His Son's final and once for all work at the cross. To believe Him and honor Him with our faith - that He did accomplish this work, is more precious to Him than gold, whereas those that seek to honor Him with the law must perform all of it to not be guilty breaking it all.

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

Heb 4:7 - Again he limiteth a certain day,.... Since the seventh day of the creation was a day of rest which God entered into, and not man; and since the land of Canaan was a typical rest, which the unbelieving Israelites did not enter into, because of unbelief; and yet there must be persons, and there must be a time for them to enter into the true rest which God has left a promise of; therefore he has limited, fixed, and appointed a certain day, the Gospel dispensation, for believers to enter into it:

Heb 4:7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, Today, after so long a time; as it is said, Today if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
Heb 4:8 For if Joshua had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

My Bible is KJV and has Joshua in 4:8 as the comparison and 4:7 has the saying of David in Ps. 95 about the not hardening of heart.
Heb 4:4-7 -

He spake in a certain place. In Gen_2:2. There it is stated that "God rested on the seventh day from all his works." The Sabbath rest was therefore established long before Israel was denied entrance into the rest. Hence it is not the rest.

In this place again. In Psa_95:11, which declares that Israel should not enter into God's rest. Though Israel had kept the rest of the Sabbath, they had not entered into God's rest, as this language shows. The rest of the Sabbath is not then the promised rest, nor is Canaan below, from which nearly all Israel was once excluded, because David exhorts the people, though in Canaan, to enter into the rest.

Seeing . . . that some must enter. Since God has a rest for his people, and it is not made in vain, there must be some who enter therein. Those to whom it was first offered entered not because of their unbelief. Hence it remaineth to all who, like Joshua and Caleb, have faith.

Again he limiteth a certain day. The thought is that there is a day of opportunity. If that day is passed by, the opportunity is gone. The word of the Lord is, To-day if, etc.

Heb 4:8-11 -

For if Jesus. "Joshua" in the Revision. Jesus is the Greek form of the Hebrew word Joshua. Joshua led Israel over the Jordan into Canaan, but that did not give them complete rest. If that had been true, David would not have exhorted them to seek to enter into rest. Five hundred years after they entered Canaan this exhortation is given in the 95th Psalm.

There remaineth therefore a rest. Since God has a rest for his people, and neither the Sabbath nor Canaan is the rest, these being only types of that rest, a rest remaineth to the people of God.

For he that is entered into his rest. When God rested on the Sabbath, the type of the true rest, his works ceased. So when our rest comes, weary toil, trials and sufferings will be over.

Let us labor therefore. Since this glorious rest, the heavenly rest, remains for faithful believers, we should seek to enter upon it, and especially take heed that we do not come short through unbelieving disobedience as did Israel.

Our rest is in Jesus. Let us not fall short through unbelief and lack of faith.


Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Rest

1. Gr. katapausis, equivalent to the Hebrew word _noah_ #Heb 4:1
2. Gr. anapausis, "rest from weariness" #Mt 11:28
3. Gr. anesis, "relaxation" #2Th 1:7
4. Gr. sabbatismos, a Sabbath rest, a rest from all work #Heb 4:9 R.V., "sabbath"), a rest like that of God when he had finished the work of creation.

A matter of translation, probably, but similar and the same word.

Every commentary I can dig up agrees that Heb.4:8 refers to Joshua and not Jesus Christ as the one who could not lead Israel into rest.

Paul did have to chastise the early church for going back into the bondage of the law on many occasions. The letter to the Galatians is but one.

Faith is vital to our walk, and that, in Him our Lord Jesus, to whom every knee shall bow and tongue confess to the glory of the Father. He is our rest and the Lord of the sabbath - our Sabbath by faith.

Galatians 2:4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:
Galatians 4:3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:
4 But when the fullness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons
Galatians 4:9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

2Pet. 1:2 Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,
3 According as his divine power hath given unto us ALL things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

Col.2:16 ¶ Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

[Raphu]

Matt 24:20 was also fulfilled at the destruction of Jer. In 70 A.D. so it is possible that this part is only applicable to that partial fulfillment. Also, here is from John Gill's commentary:
 
neither on the sabbath day: the word "day" is not in the Greek text; and some {i} have been of opinion, that the "sabbatical year", or the seventh year, is meant, when no fruits would be found in the fields, and a great scarcity of provisions among people; who would not have a sufficiency, and much less any to spare to strangers fleeing from their native places; but rather the sabbath day, or "day of the sabbath", as the Persic version reads it, is designed; and Beza says, four of his copies read it in the genitive case: and so four of Stephens's. And the reason why our Lord put them on praying, that their flight might not be on the sabbath day, was, because he knew not only that the Jews, who believed not in him, would not suffer them to travel on a sabbath day more than two thousand cubits; which, according to their traditions {k}, was a sabbath day's journey; and which would not be sufficient for their flight to put them out of danger; but also, that those that did believe in him, particularly the Jerusalem Jews, would be all of them fond of the law of Moses, and scrupulous of violating any part of it, and especially that of the sabbath; see Ac 21:20. And though the Jews did allow, that the sabbath might be violated where life was in danger, and that it was lawful to defend themselves against an enemy on the sabbath day; yet this did not universally obtain; and it was made a question of, after the time of Christ, whether it was lawful to flee from danger on the sabbath day;

[Wreck N Sow]

You guys Raphu and ambassador, who are resting in Christ better wake up and get to work! Seems HIS rest hasnt started yet.

2 THES.1 [7] And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,[8] In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

When will the rest with Jesus begin? Raphu, seems ya hit a snafu! According to scripture its when HE returns. Many have stated here that they need not keep Gods sabbath because they rest in Jesus. And now the REST of the story.

REVELATIONS 20 [4] And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

The 1000 year period of rest. Theres your rest with Jesus.

ISAIAH 66  [22] For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.[23] And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.[24] And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

And according to the WORD of GOD, HIS people will still be keeping the sabbath during that rest.

PSALMS 132 [8] Arise, O LORD, into thy rest; thou, and the ark of thy strength.[9] Let thy priests be clothed with righteousness; and let thy saints shout for joy.[10] For thy servant David's sake turn not away the face of thine anointed.[11] The LORD hath sworn in truth unto David; he will not turn from it; Of the fruit of thy body will I set upon thy throne.[12] If thy children will keep my covenant and my testimony that I shall teach them, their children shall also sit upon thy throne for evermore.[13] For the LORD hath chosen Zion; he hath desired it for his habitation.[14] This is my rest for ever: here will I dwell; for I have desired it.

Arise into thy rest, this is my rest for ever

ISAIAH 14 [3] And it shall come to pass in the day that the LORD shall give thee rest from thy sorrow, and from thy fear,and from the hard bondage wherein thou wast made to serve,[4] That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased![5] The LORD hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers.[6] He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth.[7] The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet:

Above scripture says it shall come to pass in that day (verse 3)the LORD shall give thee rest. Verse 7 says at that time the whole world is at rest. Well, i know for sure the whole world is not at rest.  The rest with Jesus will not begin until he returns according to all the scriptures i found. Has anyone found other scriptures that say otherwise.Raphu or Ambassador???

DEUT.12  [9] For ye are not as yet come to the rest and to the inheritance, which the LORD your God giveth you.
[10] But when ye go over Jordan, and dwell in the land which the LORD your God giveth you to inherit, and when he giveth you rest from all your enemies round about, so that ye dwell in safety;

RISE AND SHINE BOYS



               

[John the Baptist]

John here:
Just a side thought on Christ as our REST. [Whose Word] is seen in Psalms, Davids or Christs? Or any Words of Inspiration for that matter, in ALL of the Word?? Are you saying that Peter is the Word?

The important thinking of the Heb. rest, is that it is after Christ decended back to the heavens & sent the Holy Spirit to 'bring things back to our remembrance'. (as well as other works)

John 1 states whose WORDS?
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God. ... And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, full of Grace and TRUTH."

Some seem to want their own 'arm of flesh'. (commentaries or even Joshua)

It does not seem troublesome with the Heb. 4:8 verse if one really believed that the Word IS CHRIST! Notice the Word's Word of 'UNBELIEF'. This IS the seperating factor of knowledgeable Christianity as seen in verse 6. (or the 2 Cor. 3:3 ones)

---John

[Wreck N Sow]

I dunno John the Baptizer
I just believe what it says . If you dont add or subtract from the WORD, it simply says believers will keep HIS sabbath day of rest. ON the 7th day . Just as God did.

HEBREWS 4

[1] Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.[2] For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.[3] For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

[4] For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all
his works.[5] And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.

[6] Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:[7] Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.

[8] For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.

[9] There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

[10] For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
[11] Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

Verses1-3 Those that believe do enter into rest! Dont come short of it! Have faith in the WORD!

Verse 4-5 He spoke of the 7th day of rest. Just as GOD did at the time of creation. The 7th day!

Verse 6-7 There remains some, even after so long a time, that have not entered this rest because of unbelief. True believers(without the spirit of unbelief)will enter this rest.

Verse 8 If Jesus became their rest, would HE not have spoken of another day.I know most of the newer bibles have changed the name of Jesus to Joshua. WHY? What they tryin to conceal?

Verse 9 The sabbath rest remains therefore TO THE PEOPLE OF GOD! The 1000yr period of rest has not even started. HOW CAN THAT REMAIN?

Verse 10-11 Enter into this rest (just as GOD did) .Look at verse 4! The 7th day! THE SABBATH!

Ive seen pages and pages written about above scriptures trying to explain that it doesnt really mean what it says.
Just believe what it says and enter into the rest GOD created for us. The rest that sanctifys us and sets believers apart from none believers. Happy sabbath day all.