Why don't we call for the president to stop killing IRAQI babies?

[Reba]

The killing of about 4000 babies a day in this country makes me angry. It sure does. I hope i stay angry about it i hope other folks will see the ugliness of abortion and get angry also.

For me i will not vote for any party or person who believes or supports the killing of the unborn. I am not stopping your right to vote or have your say. My say, on this issue, is a Christian will not support abortion in any form. If by that statment i have said  so-n-so is not Christian so be it. Odd how killing of the unseen is justified.


PS.
 The more i think about this the stronger i feel if the thought of  4000 + a day of discarded unborn babies doesn't make one angry is that person truly alive?

4000 X 365 = 1,460,000   X  20 = 29,200,000.

'Twenty nine million two hundred thousand' someone please tell me the math is wrong.... I have checked it again and i think it is correct. I did not go all the way back to 72 because of weekends etc and i think the 4000 number is a bit higher scary huh ...  What was Stallan's death toll or Saddams of the Kurds, Hitler?  Edamin (sp)  I pray God forgives this country for the killing of what was created in His image. The rest of the world also.

[CrystalClear]

Crystal,
You brought up the scriptures and posted them I simply was using your idea, (crazy as it is) that because God took the life (you call this murder) of all first borns this some how justifies abortion,.... you still didn't answer my question.
 Did God ever take the life of any first born of a believer? NO......why don't we ask ourselves what caused God to take those lives? Even some of the Isarealites didn't follow the direction so their first borns were dead too. Unbelief, rebellion, doubt, ingnorance caused the death of the first borns not God. God left a way out as he always does, and the unbelievers failed. A murder doesn't give anyone a choice, no one gives the innoncent baby a choice of life or death, and neither do the mothers who abort them or any who believe abortion is a choice.  War, well you signed up you do your job, end of story.

the evening NEWS !!!!>>>>LOL>>>>> YOU got to be kidding, talk about a far reach here, The evening news....you believe  the death of babies are caused by God? Kinda like the headlines of the trash at the check out lines. You don't really believe that do you? You do believe that God is soveign right? He no doubt he allows many thinks we don't understand, abortion for one, but he doesn't kill anything, don't you get it, GOD is GOD, he allows a life to be lost or saved out of our own ingorance, and bad behavior, like drinking and driving a family is hit and some one dies, maybe a baby is dead.......who caused that? You would say God? What about crib deaths.....unexplained, but there is new evidence suggesting that crib death is linked to cigeratte smoking in the home. The scriptures tell US, YOU, ME, those next door, up or down the street WE CAN NOT kill.  Because God is sovereign, God doesn't murder anyone.

 I don't like war but I  agree with the reasons we went to war. (your assumption that I do is dead wrong DEAREST, I didn't sleep for day on end because my son was there) The scriptues tells us there will be times of war.......this is one of them. Islam is an enemy of all CHristians, its their own disbelief in Jesus Christ that has caused this war. Some say oil is the reason, possilby for man, maybe not for God. WE know form Scriptures that God can and has use war to take care of nasty situations like Iraq, this isnt' a war for oil I believe its a war of Alah verse God. Do I like the idea that baby are being killed, hardly. But as the original post suggests Our President didn't kill any babies. HE didn't have our troups dress up like civillians and mix among those babies. Your real beef (besides the war itself) is with Hussein. I'ed like to hear what he has to say as well. There will be deaths of many people in the years to come, you can't deny any of that.......man started this way,,,,, and God is going to end it HIS way and if that means war then so be it. If that means babies lives are lost then so be it, but NOT by abortion, that is cold blooded murder, not an accident caused by war.


Previous questions that you didn't answer. You claim your a marine, what if your were in the marines, would you like to be referred to as a baby killer? .........guess so since you thing abortion is ok.
IF your were President what would you do ? How would you have handled the years of not allowing our inspectors in, or the killing of his own people denying people water, denying food, supporting terrorismm, weapons of mass destruction  etc etc
 
You asked, would GOd use abortion to take the life of one of his enemies....I believe that would be contary to his word so NO, God will never advocate murder.  Abortion is just another act of ignoracne and disobediance and people will be judged accordingly, also for not standing against it...same as performing them yourself.  Through out your post you imply God is a murder, I know its hard to understand but
My point is God didn't take the life of a believers baby becuase of their acts of obediance. Is Iraq following God? Does this justify war?  Yes, is there any point in time when murder is justified NO. But war isn't murder, it is killing, but its not murder.
war and abortion aren't the same thing. As I said in my previous posts put abortion aside here let us concintrate on what the thread intended, except for the maker of this thread has stuck his tail between his legs and run.
WHat do you think we should have done about Hussein?

musicllover  

I am sorry musicllover but I don't think we can have this discussion because you don't seem to be able to read correctly. You attribute all sorts of things to me that I didn't say. If you are just going to make things up and claim I said them then I will ignore your replies on this topic.

If you'd like to redo this reply and cut'n'paste or highlight my words then we can go forward.

I hope you will calm down and quote what you would like to reply to.

[CrystalClear]

The killing of about 4000 babies a day in this country makes me angry. It sure does. I hope i stay angry about it i hope other folks will see the ugliness of abortion and get angry also.

For me i will not vote for any party or person who believes or supports the killing of the unborn. I am not stopping your right to vote or have your say. My say, on this issue, is a Christian will not support abortion in any form. If by that statment i have said  so-n-so is not Christian so be it. Odd how killing of the unseen is justified.


PS.
 The more i think about this the stronger i feel if the thought of  4000 + a day of discarded unborn babies doesn't make one angry is that person truly alive?

4000 X 365 = 1,460,000   X  20 = 29,200,000.

'Twenty nine million two hundred thousand' someone please tell me the math is wrong.... I have checked it again and i think it is correct. I did not go all the way back to 72 because of weekends etc and i think the 4000 number is a bit higher scary huh ...  What was Stallan's death toll or Saddams of the Kurds, Hitler?  Edamin (sp)  I pray God forgives this country for the killing of what was created in His image. The rest of the world also.

It is your right to decide that nothing else matters to you but the abortion issue. Fortunately for all of us there are a lot of people who are concerned about other aspects of what our government does. I guess you don't care about the environment, or healthcare or social security or wars... just keep writting in Pat Robertson!  
 

[Reba]

The killing of about 4000 babies a day in this country makes me angry. It sure does. I hope i stay angry about it i hope other folks will see the ugliness of abortion and get angry also.

For me i will not vote for any party or person who believes or supports the killing of the unborn. I am not stopping your right to vote or have your say. My say, on this issue, is a Christian will not support abortion in any form. If by that statment i have said  so-n-so is not Christian so be it. Odd how killing of the unseen is justified.


PS.
 The more i think about this the stronger i feel if the thought of  4000 + a day of discarded unborn babies doesn't make one angry is that person truly alive?

4000 X 365 = 1,460,000   X  20 = 29,200,000.

'Twenty nine million two hundred thousand' someone please tell me the math is wrong.... I have checked it again and i think it is correct. I did not go all the way back to 72 because of weekends etc and i think the 4000 number is a bit higher scary huh ...  What was Stallan's death toll or Saddams of the Kurds, Hitler?  Edamin (sp)  I pray God forgives this country for the killing of what was created in His image. The rest of the world also.

It is your right to decide that nothing else matters to you but the abortion issue. Fortunately for all of us there are a lot of people who are concerned about other aspects of what our government does. I guess you don't care about the environment, or healthcare or social security or wars... just keep writting in Pat Robertson!  
 

Go ahead and quote my post that states i dont care about nothing but the abortion issue.   I  would love to read it.. I really dislike your kind i have delt with the likes of you for over 50 years.Over the years i have injoyed hearing and reading the circles your kind talk in. I will injoy reading your posts Thanks.

[thommy]

Hi folks,

Just a few points of order here.

Reba:  If you go back and read the last few pages here, it does seem a little like you are only interested in dead babies.  While that is a facinating debate in and of itself, I would like to know more about your thoughts on the war in Iraq, and not how many aborted pregnancies have occured today.  Do you think things are going well over there?  Do you find it troubling that Bush has called off the search for WMD's?  Do you think he should invade Iran, as it was reported in the New Yorker a few days ago?

Musiclover:  You can't be serious.  Suggesting that Islam is the enemy of all christians is perhaps the most perposterous thing I have ever seen written.  I've read a lot about people that think the way you evidently do, but I had hoped that they didn't really exist.  Furthermore, your comment: "I beleive its a war of Alah verse God" (spelling error yours) is just silly on several levels.  One, its not very Christian as you seem to be intimating that other gods do in fact exist, and are now at war with the Christian God.  Two, it perpetuates your ill-founded claim that the war in Iraq is somehow being led by that great soldier of God, G.W.B.

In the end, I think it would be very important for you to make a distinction in your heart between Muslims, and terrorists, because as it stands, now, you seem to be an individual consumed with hate, which is not where a Christian needs to be.  I will pray that you are able to come out of that dark place.

(all other spelling errors, mine)

[CrystalClear]

For me i will not vote for any party or person who believes or supports the killing of the unborn. I am not stopping your right to vote or have your say. My say, on this issue, is a Christian will not support abortion in any form. If by that statment i have said  so-n-so is not Christian so be it. Odd how killing of the unseen is justified.

To me that says I don't care about anything in their platform except their position on abortion. And like I said before, you'll not find a GOP nor DNC candidate drawing that line in the sand. So who ya gonna vote for? Write in Pat...

[Reba]

 

circles

[Shammu]

Hi folks,

Just a few points of order here.

Reba:  If you go back and read the last few pages here, it does seem a little like you are only interested in dead babies.  While that is a facinating debate in and of itself, I would like to know more about your thoughts on the war in Iraq, and not how many aborted pregnancies have occured today.  Do you think things are going well over there?  Do you find it troubling that Bush has called off the search for WMD's?  Do you think he should invade Iran, as it was reported in the New Yorker a few days ago?

Musiclover:  You can't be serious.  Suggesting that Islam is the enemy of all christians is perhaps the most perposterous thing I have ever seen written.  I've read a lot about people that think the way you evidently do, but I had hoped that they didn't really exist.  Furthermore, your comment: "I beleive its a war of Alah verse God" (spelling error yours) is just silly on several levels.  One, its not very Christian as you seem to be intimating that other gods do in fact exist, and are now at war with the Christian God.  Two, it perpetuates your ill-founded claim that the war in Iraq is somehow being led by that great soldier of God, G.W.B.

In the end, I think it would be very important for you to make a distinction in your heart between Muslims, and terrorists, because as it stands, now, you seem to be an individual consumed with hate, which is not where a Christian needs to be.  I will pray that you are able to come out of that dark place.

(all other spelling errors, mine)

[size=22]TROLL
ALERT!![/size]

Edited to add;
I should thank you, you have given me the next subject for cults........ Islam

[musicllover]

Crystal,
You brought up the scriptures and posted them I simply was using your idea, (crazy as it is) that because God took the life (you call this murder) of all first borns this some how justifies abortion,.... you still didn't answer my question.
 Did God ever take the life of any first born of a believer? NO......why don't we ask ourselves what caused God to take those lives? Even some of the Isarealites didn't follow the direction so their first borns were dead too. Unbelief, rebellion, doubt, ingnorance caused the death of the first borns not God. God left a way out as he always does, and the unbelievers failed. A murder doesn't give anyone a choice, no one gives the innoncent baby a choice of life or death, and neither do the mothers who abort them or any who believe abortion is a choice.  War, well you signed up you do your job, end of story.

the evening NEWS !!!!>>>>LOL>>>>> YOU got to be kidding, talk about a far reach here, The evening news....you believe  the death of babies are caused by God? Kinda like the headlines of the trash at the check out lines. You don't really believe that do you? You do believe that God is soveign right? He no doubt he allows many thinks we don't understand, abortion for one, but he doesn't kill anything, don't you get it, GOD is GOD, he allows a life to be lost or saved out of our own ingorance, and bad behavior, like drinking and driving a family is hit and some one dies, maybe a baby is dead.......who caused that? You would say God? What about crib deaths.....unexplained, but there is new evidence suggesting that crib death is linked to cigeratte smoking in the home. The scriptures tell US, YOU, ME, those next door, up or down the street WE CAN NOT kill.  Because God is sovereign, God doesn't murder anyone.

 I don't like war but I  agree with the reasons we went to war. (your assumption that I do is dead wrong DEAREST, I didn't sleep for day on end because my son was there) The scriptues tells us there will be times of war.......this is one of them. Islam is an enemy of all CHristians, its their own disbelief in Jesus Christ that has caused this war. Some say oil is the reason, possilby for man, maybe not for God. WE know form Scriptures that God can and has use war to take care of nasty situations like Iraq, this isnt' a war for oil I believe its a war of Alah verse God. Do I like the idea that baby are being killed, hardly. But as the original post suggests Our President didn't kill any babies. HE didn't have our troups dress up like civillians and mix among those babies. Your real beef (besides the war itself) is with Hussein. I'ed like to hear what he has to say as well. There will be deaths of many people in the years to come, you can't deny any of that.......man started this way,,,,, and God is going to end it HIS way and if that means war then so be it. If that means babies lives are lost then so be it, but NOT by abortion, that is cold blooded murder, not an accident caused by war.


Previous questions that you didn't answer. You claim your a marine, what if your were in the marines, would you like to be referred to as a baby killer? .........guess so since you thing abortion is ok.
IF your were President what would you do ? How would you have handled the years of not allowing our inspectors in, or the killing of his own people denying people water, denying food, supporting terrorismm, weapons of mass destruction  etc etc
 
You asked, would GOd use abortion to take the life of one of his enemies....I believe that would be contary to his word so NO, God will never advocate murder.  Abortion is just another act of ignoracne and disobediance and people will be judged accordingly, also for not standing against it...same as performing them yourself.  Through out your post you imply God is a murder, I know its hard to understand but
My point is God didn't take the life of a believers baby becuase of their acts of obediance. Is Iraq following God? Does this justify war?  Yes, is there any point in time when murder is justified NO. But war isn't murder, it is killing, but its not murder.
war and abortion aren't the same thing. As I said in my previous posts put abortion aside here let us concintrate on what the thread intended, except for the maker of this thread has stuck his tail between his legs and run.
WHat do you think we should have done about Hussein?

musicllover  

I am sorry musicllover but I don't think we can have this discussion because you don't seem to be able to read correctly. You attribute all sorts of things to me that I didn't say. If you are just going to make things up and claim I said them then I will ignore your replies on this topic.

If you'd like to redo this reply and cut'n'paste or highlight my words then we can go forward.

I hope you will calm down and quote what you would like to reply to.

OK have it your way, I knew you wouldn't answer. Nothing I post is putting words in your mouth, believe you me there is more than enough coming out of it the way it is. But since you can't or won't answer you act as though I'm the foolish one.

I'm finished with you, in the word of My lord and Savior, it is finished.
musicllover

[nChrist]

Brothers and Sisters,

To our regulars here:

By now, it should be painfully obvious that we have several trolls loose on the forum right now. Your discussions with them will not seem right for more than one reason. First, trolls aren't known for much more intelligence than it takes to eat. Beyond that, they are confused. Second, reasonable discussions with others is not on their agenda. Third, they should never be allowed to take a break or rest since they forget everything they've learned between breaks.    

We have at least 3 trolls on the forum right now, and they all arrived at approximately the same time. They really made it so painfully obvious that I would say they are trolls in training. They aren't smart enough to be graduates of troll boot camp, and I seriously doubt they will graduate without tons of remedial training. They really need to raise the standards for troll recruiting, as these are just short of being as smart as a billiard ball.  

They're cute in a funny sort of way, but they don't make good pets.    It's absolutely impossible to house-break them.

Moderator

P.S. These are so sad, they're a comedy team. They're here to make fun of us, but things have back-fired. I don't think that I've ever seen a troll team humiliate themselves so quickly and easily. These would be the type that think they are hidden when they put their hands over their eyes.  

[musicllover]

Hi folks,

Just a few points of order here.

Reba:  If you go back and read the last few pages here, it does seem a little like you are only interested in dead babies.  While that is a facinating debate in and of itself, I would like to know more about your thoughts on the war in Iraq, and not how many aborted pregnancies have occured today.  Do you think things are going well over there?  Do you find it troubling that Bush has called off the search for WMD's?  Do you think he should invade Iran, as it was reported in the New Yorker a few days ago?

Musiclover:  You can't be serious.  Suggesting that Islam is the enemy of all christians is perhaps the most perposterous thing I have ever seen written.  I've read a lot about people that think the way you evidently do, but I had hoped that they didn't really exist.  Furthermore, your comment: "I beleive its a war of Alah verse God" (spelling error yours) is just silly on several levels.  One, its not very Christian as you seem to be intimating that other gods do in fact exist, and are now at war with the Christian God.  Two, it perpetuates your ill-founded claim that the war in Iraq is somehow being led by that great soldier of God, G.W.B.

In the end, I think it would be very important for you to make a distinction in your heart between Muslims, and terrorists, because as it stands, now, you seem to be an individual consumed with hate, which is not where a Christian needs to be.  I will pray that you are able to come out of that dark place.

(all other spelling errors, mine)

hommy,
    ..."You can't be serious.  Suggesting that Islam is the enemy of all christians is perhaps the most perposterous thing I have ever seen written"....

Don't read much do you?
You'll find
          I am serious, it has nothing to do with hate of any person just a faith that deny's Jesus as Lord. The muslim faith is against EVERYTHING that Jesus Christ is and done. Defending their faith is only defending the evil they perpetrate. The twins towers weren't hit by good fairies, they were hit by muslim terrostist who were claiming the destruction for Allah their god. NO, I don't believe all muslim people are evil just what they believe, plain and simply if they die believeing in Allah they will go to hell. I don't see how you can say their faith is ok? Wanna try reading some really  "perposterous" find out what they believe. And then tell me that Islam isn't an enemy of Christianity. we will know them by the fruits they bare, IF they can't say Jesus is Lord they are enemies of God..., you'll not find a devoted muslim who will. That doesn't mean they are all going to run around killing Christians that is not what I mean so don't put words in my mouth. I go by what the word says, anything preach or taught that is different that what is taught in the Holy Bible is of the devil.
     Yes there other other gods out there, only they are of the devil. The Allah that the muslims believe is a different God than what Christians believe in. Allah is based on a works or pryamid kind of faith, the more you do the better you can become, and killing Christians is at the top of the "to do" list for the muslim terrorist. Do you believe that the muslim faith is good, because that puts a whole new light on why you also are against the war in Iraq.
      Please dont pray for me, I don't need curses.
   Back to the main idea of the thread. Lots of rabbit trails gonna on here.
     JESUS IS MY LORD,
musicllover  

[felix102]

This is a simple question but I think will reveal a lot.

Do you like/dislike Bush? why?

[Bronzesnake]

musiclover...
 you are right on about Islam!

This is a simple question but I think will reveal a lot.

Do you like/dislike Bush? why?

 Exactly what will it reveal?

Bronzesnake

[Shammu]

Brothers and Sisters,

To our regulars here:

By now, it should be painfully obvious that we have several trolls loose on the forum right now. Your discussions with them will not seem right for more than one reason. First, trolls aren't known for much more intelligence than it takes to eat. Beyond that, they are confused. Second, reasonable discussions with others is not on their agenda. Third, they should never be allowed to take a break or rest since they forget everything they've learned between breaks.    

We have at least 3 trolls on the forum right now, and they all arrived at approximately the same time. They really made it so painfully obvious that I would say they are trolls in training. They aren't smart enough to be graduates of troll boot camp, and I seriously doubt they will graduate without tons of remedial training. They really need to raise the standards for troll recruiting, as these are just short of being as smart as a billiard ball.  

They're cute in a funny sort of way, but they don't make good pets.    It's absolutely impossible to house-break them.

Moderator

P.S. These are so sad, they're a comedy team. They're here to make fun of us, but things have back-fired. I don't think that I've ever seen a troll team humiliate themselves so quickly and easily. These would be the type that think they are hidden when they put their hands over their eyes.  

But, but, but, but,...... can we keep them for a while. They are fun to play with.

[Bronzesnake]

Dreamweaver quote...

But, but, but, but,...... can we keep them for a while. They are fun to play with.

 Yes, can we?  pleeeease? Otherwise I will have to amuse myself with a piece of shiny string!  

Bronzesnake