Ebia says:
I wasn't "dis"ing anyone. I mealy said it's incomprehensible to the rest of us that you would put that level of confidence in any group of people, however impecable their credentials.
Hmm. We put a lot of confidence in Church leaders – particularly the early ones, you know – that "group of people" called the disciples.
It is actually our founder's wisdom we Americans hold in such high regard. Not necessarily the individuals themselves.
In which case you need to support that without reference to the individuals. The only reason for regarding their wisdom in high regard that has been given so far IS based on who the individuals were.
The US consitution isn't the bible, and those men weren't infalliable.
No it isn’t the Bible. But the Bible was used to write it. I didn’t say they were infallible. They were human. Only God is infallible.
You seem, from an outsiders perspective, to treat it with a level of regard non-American Christians would reserve for the bible.
but opinion polls are notoriously unreliable.
Yes – unreliable. That’s why everyone keeps using them.
Yes - mostly by people who want to "prove" a conclusion that they have already decided upon. And the media, who don't care what the conclusion is or how reliable, as long as it makes a good story.
I'm not an American, but I'm not an idiot.
Nope. I’m not a name caller, and I didn’t call you an idiot.
Didn't think you were.
I’m sure you know about as much of American History and politics as I know of Australian History and politics – in other words, I certainly wouldn’t even pretend to be able to debate you about your country’s history and policies. That would be kind of like what that G. Polya person says is foolish, huh.
I could be wrong, but I suspect I know quite a bit more about American history and politics than you (or virtually anyone outside Oz) knows about Australia's. America's politics affect the world, Australia's (on the whole) don't. According to one or two of those polls you like, a lot of American's don't even know the difference between Austria and Australia (not that I'm putting anyone here in that category), whereas I doubt there are more than a handful of people in the world who don't know something about America.
I don't doubt it, but men have had God "in their minds and hearts" and gone on to write some extreamly falliable documents.
Only God is infallible. However, if you are calling the US Constitution “fallible” then you are on the verge of “dissing” the US.
No I'm not. I'm saying that, however good it is, it could be better.
Are the governing documents in your country better?
I doubt it. No-one - seriously no-one - outside America holds their documents in that sort of regard.
Ebia, I know I’m running the risk of sounding ‘highbrow’ by saying this – but you and I better stick to debating the Bible where we are on more even footing.
I'll debate where I choose, thanks. You may know your facts when it comes to your consititution, but facts aren't wisdom.
When it comes to the US Constitution I am a heavy weight and you don’t qualify to be a flyweight. I’ve spent years studying the Constitution and the men who wrote it.
I thought you said that the qualities of the individuals who wrote it weren't relevent, make your mind up.
